can there be a way to disable the chat overlay on stream

[elfin isle]

I just want to watch neuro

I already once did a post about my distaste of wall spam. Mods then experimented with getting rid of it and honestly, I really enjoyed those streams and chat a lot. Recently that seems to have stopped though. Maybe it's because Vedal said having this kind of chat is cool and unique and mods just gave up on it. I don't know.
When asking about it I just get ignored or get a nonanswer with no follow up.

This outer wilds stream was particularly bad as most of the spam had nothing to do with the stream at all. It was just random 80 different emote chains spams, strings of random letters and numbers or their file path for some random image on their pc. For hours.
When I asked the mods to please moderate the chat as it has nothing to do with the stream at all, I just got ignored and twitch chat started spamming and attacking me, which again was not moderated at all.
Seeing all the emotionally fuelled messages I got either in nn or livestream chat or twitch chat or in my dms or that time someone did a google document against me and the comments below it or offline chat and god knows where else too shows me that it does in fact seem very valuable for parts of the community. I personally don't see any value in them nor any correlation to neuro or the stream as they also just don't affect the stream or neuro at all but only its viewers. I'm here to watch neuro not chat. With this kind of reception, I feel like I'm wrong and too selfish in this though.

Maybe removing the chat overlay on stream would let me watch neuro in peace and let them have whatever it is they have in chat

If it's too unreasonable for me to ask this or just not really doable or you don't see the reason in it at all then that's fine by me. You don't have to respond or react to this. I just thought I might give it a shot before giving up.

Im sorry that while desperately trying to relive what I once so loved, I ignored what might be enjoyable for others.
thats all

[keen juniper]

the random string of numbers is an emote for some reason i think

[unkempt scroll]

Nah reasonable crash out frfr

[keen juniper]

https://7tv.app/emotes/01JE910A6Q11BJZ6S84MC8W1QN

[unkempt scroll]

Chats too cringe

[prisma otter]

the on screen chat is pretty easy to ignore if you arent looking at it, and its good to have it on screen for youtube

[wicked fable]

I always watch stream with chat closed but it kinda sucks that chat overlay thing is still there there's no way to hide it

[spiral gulch]

Bit hard when chat was spamming and mocking Nesus at the same time

[abstract quest]

Most clippers cut off the on-screen chat

[lunar reef]

as always hold the same sentiment as nesus
chat onscreen is for vods so it won't get removed, but yeah i'd rather not see our twitch chat

[prisma otter]

if he was ignoring chat in the first place instead of complaining he wouldnt have been singled out

[keen juniper]

it doesnt need to be permanently removed could be an option for mods or something

[keen juniper]

so victim blaming?

[queen plover]

Chat was great today though

The swarm is at its funniest when its in forsen chat mode

[abstract quest]

Swarm at its funniest:

[queen plover]

If someone really did a google doc that's insane behaviour though

[queen plover]

In our chat I mean, chat hoppers are always cringe of course

[prisma otter]

this is a completely seperate topic

[peak sand]

I like having chat on stream for preservation purposes (when the VODs are gone, but yt archive still has the chat), also on mobile it shows the 7tv emotes. The spam can be annoying, but also funny sometimes. I really liked when it was more moderated and more restricted at some times but also allowed at other times. I think that would be a decent solution.

[abstract quest]

ik but calling swarm funny is too much for me

[queen plover]

Also for the record I started the forsenlaughingatyou Nesus copypasta earlier in chat and meant it in good fun, if it didn't come off that way sorry for starting that train

[remote pasture]

During the stream I literally added spam chains into the automod to cut back on it as much as i could

we absolutely werent ignoring people telling us to moderate

[queen plover]

I just meant it as a silly bit that would be clipped in livestream chat with AAAA I'M GOING INSANE or some such message

[ember flint]

I agree with Nesus partially, i think we should disable chat only for certain streams like this one. But i don't think it should be disabled for chills streams or karaokes for example.

[queen plover]

Its the sheer stupid absurdity of twitch chat I find funny

I don't find the swarm funny when they're going I AM THE SWARM THAT IS APPROACHING in other streamers chats, chat hopping, illing youtube comment sections with vedal shipping etc.

[abstract quest]

Should've had it on emote mode permanently from the start

[peak sand]

I'd rather have it on stream both times, but way more spam moderated (like the experiments) on streams like this and more free on stuff like karaoke

[wicked fable]

I mean why do we even need two chats when there's chat next to player

[prisma otter]

for youtube

[remote pasture]

chats there for vod watcher si assume

[wicked fable]

Clippers can easily extract the chat

It's not hard

[peak sand]

When the VODs get deleted from twitch it's still preserved on yt

[prisma otter]

its even easier to simply have chat on the screen

[ember flint]

I mean in the end it doesn't concern me because i enjoy watching chat even if it's filled with spam . But i understand why it's annoying for certain people.

[abstract quest]

Main channel doesn't show twitch chat and the clips channel always cuts off their reactions smh

[queen plover]

Also DMing you over it and stuff, its not that big of a deal

Edit: I mean its not that big of a deal so DMing over it is also insane behaviour*

I probably wouldn't have joked in Twitch chat if I'd realised you'd actually been harassed like that

[wicked fable]

The chat should be optional tbh

[peak sand]

nvmd

[queen plover]

Yeah poorly worded, just edited to clarify

[fallow hatch]

not true at all plenty of clippers have the chat visable, some will even cut the chat and move it closer so they can zoom in on neuro/vedal

[keen juniper]

make it a points option

[random holly]

I'm actually sick of this discord having so much power over twitch chat, despite a lot of the active people causing these changes not even using twitch chat. We now get random automodded stuff, slow mode, unique mode, and emote only mode just because people in discord don't like it? I hate it to be honest.

[odd mist]

I'm just gonna post my thoughts here since I already said it in nn, but this only matters for chill streams since stream can actively be derailed by spam, but this entire stream, vedal was barely reading the chat, and neuro likely couldn't to begin with, so why does it matter? I suppose it's on screen or whatever and that's annoying but it's not actually affecting the stream in any way beyond that

[lunar reef]

no one can chat in the chat
remove the chat at that point

[abstract quest]

Speaking of chat I hope all these chat hoppers got punished

[tiny spoke]

maybe because twitch chat sucks and the most they can say is “Om”

[strange sedge]

fully agree

[keen juniper]

thats what only emotes was though

[abstract quest]

Sorry, I only watch the official one #ad

[queen plover]

Anyway yeah, I disagree with Nesus but if people really did go dming him and make a google dockey and shit that's actually insane and I'm sad to hear that

[wicked fable]

The irony

[queen plover]

And I'm sorry for joking at your expense Nesus, I wouldn't have done so with this context

[peak sand]

tbh, that is an argument one can make: Twitch chat is more for the spammy side, and discord more for the talking side. Dont know if I want to agree with that though

[abstract quest]

Stany, without discord you wouldn't have had an Evil collab last week

[astral plover]

I want to see reactions at least instead of "auh buh cuh"...

[random holly]

Ignore it like I do. I don't like "om" either but I'm not so self-centred that I think I need to change twitch chat because of what I want to see.

[odd mist]

this is another mindset thing, but I rarely use twitch chat to chat even in slower chats, I basically just spam emotes and single words and sentences

[lunar reef]

and that was the best chat the entire stream
i don't mind emote reactions, i like them

wall spams are the only thing i hate
if we were spamming emotes each individually that would've been really cool

[drifting heron]

"auh buh cuh" likely means chat got bored

[odd mist]

[elfin isle]

i just want the chat to be moderated
as its apperantly not doable alltough everyone else can (perhabs limiting the timeouts to just 30 seconds with no increase for repeat offenders is not that bright of an idea)
i dont want to be associated with it at all. it is insane behaviour and the things i have seen you type is beyond anything i wish on to anyone else
i cant even enjoy it in piece

[astral plover]

Spam isn't even the issue in such cases, it's when it's completely random spam that's entirely unrelated to the stream. I have an issue with most spam if it's a chill stream, so I don't find it equivalent.

[prisma otter]

meanwhile discord

[astral plover]

Honestly, excessive

[odd mist]

you know what sure, that's a fair argument, it should be relevant spam, I understand this point

[lunar reef]

livestream chat sucks too at times
but at least you can have a conversation when nothing "OM" worthy is happening

[elfin isle]

fuck you
i have seen what you and others type
there is no excuse and everyone should have done better

[tiny spoke]

Could go for both sides

[queen plover]

the hell

First of all, rude

[fallow hatch]

btw I'm confused about your last line, is chat worse than it used to be or something? Looking at old gaming vods the chat seems to have just as much wall spamming as it does now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDpDk24jAw

[elfin isle]

also again
walls
not spam at all

[tiny spoke]

I ignore it, in fact, I’ve never once talked in twitch chat

[astral plover]

I don't really have an issue with spam when Neuro can't read it as long as it's related to the stream
It just wasn't really this time

[queen plover]

Second of all, what do I type that there's "no excuse" for

[tiny spoke]

Not wrong, but twitch chat brings it to another level, especially when they can directly affect the stream.

gotta love the classic pet pet rant

[elfin isle]

right cause piling up an entire chat of insane people with no moderation against me is just an oopsie

im so fucking tired

[keen juniper]

also twitchat is on the stream at all times

[rose plank]

discord chat is much smaller of course in twich its go to extreme for you

[queen plover]

I literally explained that if I'd realised you weren't on the same wavelength I wouldn't have joked at your expense like that

[elfin isle]

you intentionally write it like that so everyone joins in and reposts it as well

[queen plover]

I was just baiting for some banter with an absurd screenshot

[keen juniper]

if someone screams i dont want spam making spam mocking them doesnt seem to be a joke though

[queen plover]

I didn't realise you were actually distressed by chat

[peak sand]

Agree, and it should be a bannable thing

[tiny spoke]

I wouldn’t say extreme, more unoriginal, repetitive, and annoying.

[elfin isle]

i dont care what your intention was

[peak sand]

Intentionally singling out a specific person ... I dont even know where to begin

[zinc iris]

ganging up on a random dude doesnt seem too nice anyways

[odd mist]

✋ stop the spam, my final message

[queen plover]

If someone did that to me (and I have had copypastas laughing at me before) I would have taken it in stride and I assumed based on the constant fish jokes you were on a similar page

[abstract quest]

We do that on Vedal all the time

[zinc iris]

vedal isnt a random dude

[remote pasture]

discord has no power over the twitch chat
moderators do

[zinc iris]

he's creator of neuro and evil

[abstract quest]

He is a turtle

[queen plover]

I would agree if it was more than forsenlaughingatyou (albeit one I wouldn't have made with more context)

[keen juniper]

what discord offers is people talking to the mods which can allow for change

[elfin isle]

discord having power
is asking moderaters and admins and vedal on their stance on this

wow

[queen plover]

Its not like there was any attack involved, it was a joke of the kind you usually do out of affection for a prominent community member in these sorts of spaces

[zinc iris]

it doesnt need to be anything more for it to be a bunch of people all making fun of one guy

[remote pasture]

[random holly]

Then I have an issue with the moderators. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that it always seems to stem from discord.

[rose plank]

imma be real its not that different to discrod one like in twich its just one button to copy text so of course there gonna be walls sometimes espescially when streamer not reading chat so they just moving it for the sake of it

[remote pasture]

dont knwo what to tell you there then

[queen plover]

If Nesus had said something it could've been shut down in a second

[lunar reef]

how do you expect it to stem from twitch when no one can communicate there

[elfin isle]

crazy

[lunar reef]

this is just the place to communicate of course people will say it here

[elfin isle]

almost like i did

[strange sedge]

but discord threads affected twitch chat for a while, stricter character lengths, stronger repetition filter etc. this got changed back later on

[zinc iris]

idk about nesus but if it was me i would've thought thats what they wanted

[queen plover]

I accidentally posted the file path for a file on my PC with a message and got twitch chat laughing at me and I had a chuckle and played into it

[keen juniper]

because mods listen to the people here and think if they are okay with it

this isnt a democracy

[queen plover]

Its not like its abnormal for the swarm

[remote pasture]

its pushes us to respond and tackle things we were already talking about doing already
nothing more

[elfin isle]

not even remotely the same thing hello ???

[tiny spoke]

It’s not just the wall spam though, they purposefully continue the loops (pet pet is one of many). Fortunately, this was fixed with recent upgrades, but it does not change the fact that twitch chat caused it.

[abstract quest]

Discord threads are the ones implementing those changes?

[zinc iris]

this could all be fixed if we just killed twitch chat already

[queen plover]

A bunch of people posted my Windows username and forsenlaughing at you which is arguably "worse", you just had forsenlaughingatyou and then your username for a few seconds before chat moved on

It is absolutely the same kind of ribbing

[fallow hatch]

you can't possibly deny that the actions in this discord affect the moderators decisions at least a little

[solemn reef]

some real high school energy in here

[zinc iris]

look who's talking

[queen plover]

But I wasn't offended, because it was just people bantering

That's how communities build rapport

[remote pasture]

discord provides a forum thats actually slow and readable enough to read complaints

[keen juniper]

if you arent offended doesnt mean other people can

[remote pasture]

i will give you that

[strange sedge]

it's just that most twitch chatters don't ever partake in the discussions about twitch chat rules/moderation so the discussion is heavily biased

[rose plank]

about loops i strongly agree but its another problem and tf you mean twich chat caused it? it caused by timeout begging and if she ever reads discord its gonna be the same

[queen plover]

Which is true, and like I said if I had the context or Nesus had been more obviously bothered I wouldn't have started that joke

[fringe rapids]

Sounds like a them problem then

[abstract quest]

I wonder why they moved on

[elfin isle]

i had fun and didntl feel attacked so the people that attacked you and told you "stop crying like a little bitch no one cares LMAO" are also just fun please laugh why are you not laughing this is your fault

[rose plank]

its not twich chat problem its people problem

[tiny spoke]

timeout begging was caused by twitch chat

[queen plover]

I'm just saying going "fuck you there's no excuse for what you wrote" to me is a bit out of pocket when its normal, that's the point I'm making here

[keen juniper]

it isnt normal...

[queen plover]

If people said that to you then they were out of line

[drifting heron]

If Neuro could read Discord, people on Neurotic Neurons would do the same thing, bait Neuro into timing tthem out

[rose plank]

and if she was reading discord you think it makes difference?

[tiny spoke]

not wrong, but the fact is that she can’t.

[zinc iris]

is it really that normal i dont read chat too often but i dont recall seeing anything like this

[queen plover]

I'm not saying its okay, I'm saying you took a good faith apology and reacted in an incredibly rude and immature fashion

[keen juniper]

they would get permabanned though

probs

[drifting heron]

probs

[rose plank]

so again problem not exactly twitch chat

[queen plover]

It is normal yes, community members who are often seen in chat frequently joke at each others expense and its not normally an issue

[fallow hatch]

next neuro integration, give her control of zeppelin

[placid token]

there's a lot going on here - i haven't read the full discussion yet, but i disagree with removing overlay, it's always been nice seeing myself pop up in chat in VODs or clips like "I WAS THERE OMG" 😅
but if this is a matter of better steering chat to not get as neurotic, i can agree with that just don't know what's actionable there

[keen juniper]

if someone asks for a timeout timeout them for a week

[abstract quest]

Stop using 😅 sis thinks she is Vedal

[zinc iris]

all i see is emote spam though

[drifting heron]

simple -- let's just keep emote only mode for all streams

[lunar reef]

i'm just curious but what's the punishment for spamming?
i remember when you first implemented the change chat got a lot better
it's only on these streams where chat is ignored that they get this bad

[spiral gulch]

I think taking action against spam such as "auh buh cuh" sooner is a good starting point towards that goal

[queen plover]

Yeah its probs just that you aren't particularly engaged in chat then

[strange sedge]

if it means we get more sub emotes, then im fine with that

[rose plank]

so to lessen timeout begging only way is i think is extend timeout time

[keen juniper]

because the idea is spam is allowed here because neuro doesnt read them

[elfin isle]

30 second timeout
no increase nothing beyond you can do it as often as you wish

[tiny spoke]

I’m unsure whether or not to continue this as it’s not really too important in this thread. I will say that my opinion is still the same though.

[queen plover]

Anyway, Nesus I'm disappointed in you but I am also still sorry to have caused you any distress and you won't see anything like that again

[astral plover]

Honestly, I think it's just spam that's clearly unrelated to what's happening in the stream that should be actionable

[elfin isle]

just take the L

[fringe rapids]

A sub emote for each letter

[keen juniper]

if this is real it should be more like 10 mins or something

[strange sedge]

yt chat method

[queen plover]

This shouldn't be about "L"s

[spiral gulch]

You should step away from your PC for about half an hour

[queen plover]

We're adults for christs sake dude, act like it

[lunar reef]

just saying you're both in the wrong

you could've just said "i'm sorry i didn't realize"
and nesus is over reacting as well to you personally

cmon lads

[prisma otter]

potat literally said that no?

[solemn reef]

vedal if you remove chat can you also remove evil or at least give me the ability to make seeing her optional thanks

[queen plover]

I did say that originally and he said "fuck you there's no excuse for what you wrote" and went on a tirade against me

[rose plank]

didn't he say it tho or i am reading wrong?

[queen plover]

That's how we got here

[lunar reef]

and you could've ignored it

[wicked fable]

Just lock the thread, I think this goes nowhere now idk

[fringe rapids]

uh oh stinky

[spiral gulch]

Not in the state the people involved are rn

[queen plover]

True, I was in the wrong for that

Fair enough on that

[elfin isle]

i said my piece do whatever you want vedal post the fucking schedules on twitter i want no part in this toxic insane community

[astral plover]

Why are people derailing this, get back on topic

[tiny spoke]

👆

[fringe rapids]

It's done

[queen plover]

I felt attacked and got miffed at the rudeness but I should've just ignored it and moved on, so fair play

[spiral gulch]

No topic, OP itself derailed it

[strange sedge]

i doubt plugins would work for vods, so there would be no chat for those if we had a chat overlay plugin

[astral plover]

I just wanted to suggest that action should perhaps be taken against completely off-topic spam
To expand on this idea a bit, I think it could just be a rule of thumb thing really, be a bit generous in case, but if it's evidently just chat spamming for the sake of boredom, that probably should be taken care of.

Because I know it can very much depend and sometimes there might be fringe cases, so lenient rule of thumb seems best.

[keen juniper]

10min mute seems around right

[abstract quest]

When you get timedout the duration increases by 30 seconds for the next one forever up to 10 years

[keen juniper]

like the whole wall of cats was just meaningless spam

[queen plover]

I still respectfully disagree, but my ideal twitch chat is forsens chat so I think its just a matter of taste and not something that can yield much meaningful debate

Every thread like this seems to end up derailed sooner or later over how subjective this stuff is and how hard it is to square a good compromise

[keen juniper]

so offtopic spam is what you want? not even related to the stream?

[fallow hatch]

problem solved

[drifting heron]

someone in chat spams irrelevant emotes -> mods remove the message -> other chatters notice that, start a 1984 spam -> mods remove that -> more fuel to the spam

[queen plover]

In such cases as chat is having fun and chat interaction is off for Neuro while Vedal isn't reading chat, yes I think its fine

Its always been a thing, its basically embedded in the culture of the site and in particular the swarm given how much of our chat culture and in jokes spawned from the bajwave

[astral plover]

Let them spam for a bit and then purge it after is how I'd approach that spam

[rose plank]

like what even a problem in spam anyway?

[keen juniper]

i dont see the fun in that to spam just random things you can just go elsewhere

[astral plover]

Ignore it after, seeing as most people had probably already jumped in the first time.

[queen plover]

Its an exercise in absurdist shitposting and usually is still reactive to the stream even if it occasionally drifts away

[strange sedge]

my complaint about wall spams is that they are not original and go on for too long, it's the same pasta getting pasted for 5 minutes

[nimble token]

even with me personally not being a fun of giant walls of texts being spammed, the entire chat dogpiling on one person, then sending dms and google docs to harrass someone is way too far

[rose plank]

if chat not gonna be even read by streamers there no topic to chat honestly

[queen plover]

I find it fun seeing all the weird creative joke pastas people come up with

[humble frost]

"It's always been a thing"
And? That doesn't mean it a good thing to have and maybe should be looked into for improvement.

[peak sand]

I dont know how feasible this is but maybe there's a way to sometimes filter chat spam before putting on the overlay?

[queen plover]

And the way they mutate as chat scrolls

[fringe rapids]

Sure but then filter the shit out of it when Neuro actually reads chat please

[abstract quest]

We have people coming to an AI streamer to watch humans and now we have people coming to AI twitch chat to chat like bajs

[queen plover]

Hard agree

[astral plover]

I'll be honest, it really wasn't reactive a lot of the time
"Chat hold ctrl and type wtf" "auh buh cuh" "mission copy and paste" or whatever the hell else there was

[queen plover]

I do actually think it has no place when chat reading is on for Neuro don't get me wrong

If there's a compromise that's where I think it can be found

[rose plank]

if it one person spam same message over and over i agree but if its long just because there always new who paste it i dont mind

[keen juniper]

because it was war between discord and twitch spam made to annoy people

[queen plover]

See I find that funny, its the kind of absurdist stupidity I enjoy from the internet

[astral plover]

This wasn't even because of the war, this was happening before the war, which is why people were getting mad

[queen plover]

If chat is bored and neither Neuro or Vedal are reading it I think its harmless

[astral plover]

But then it's not even about the stream...

[lunar reef]

it's literally just this
i like funny spam as much as the next guy, but the stuff that gets spammed is just boring
it's 1 sentence copy pasted 30 times spammed for 5 minutes

i don't think we're asking for much when we say we don't like that

[queen plover]

There's always #livestream-chat for more thoughtful discussion

Hell I have both open for that reason

[strange sedge]

yeah but its 10k people. if everyone posts it, then it will go on for 10 minutes

[queen plover]

Twitch chat is kind of by its nature stream of consciousness even on its best days

[astral plover]

I'm not even asking for thoughtful discussion, I'd just rather spam that is reacting to the stream

[rose plank]

and? we need to be inclusive and give everyone a chance no?

[zinc iris]

how about we just kill twitch chat and be done with it

[queen plover]

It did react whenever things kicked back into gear on the stream

[abstract quest]

If spamming roads for 50 streams in a row is funny then Vedal is a world renowned comedian

[queen plover]

It keeps people engaged during the quieter spans when not even Neuro has much to say

[keen juniper]

no it remained offtopic till the mods pulled the emote only chat

[queen plover]

Hell this sort of thing is one of the main reasons forsen actually has viewers lmao

[zinc iris]

roads spam has variation at least

[astral plover]

Could it not always do that though? Why does it have to do off-topic spam instead of just leaving it

[astral plover]

Okay... we're not Forsen though

[zinc iris]

you know maybe this is just an indication that vedal streams suck ass and instead neuro or evil should stream more

[rose plank]

chat spam difers strongly off topic only because of self inclusion so in some way its still related to stream

[queen plover]

But our streams sure are paced like forsen streams sometimes and half our chat culture and in jokes were created by an influx of forsen fans

[lunar reef]

and then people spam pepeW messages in response
truly the greatest form of entertainment packed with originality

[queen plover]

You have alerted the veedlets

[nimble token]

are we looking at different roads spams? It's literally all the same with small changes in wording

[zinc iris]

yeah thats the variation

[nimble token]

bro

[wicked fable]

The difference between forsens chat and this, forsens chat is more creative and funnier than this

[keen juniper]

isnt that just so people can spam it faster

[lunar reef]

yeah 10 years ago
also forsens chat is actually funny

[zinc iris]

im not saying its good

[queen plover]

I mean I'd say today was pretty on par with the average forsen games and shit chat

[abstract quest]

I wouldn't mind chat's looping and spam if they weren't ruining chill stream after chill stream

[keen juniper]

our chat is like doug dougs chat with the spam of forsen

[rose plank]

chat like that all time and how i see its only minority who strongly hate it so why even change? like only place where wall spam bad is when vedal or neuro reading it

[queen plover]

Has it really been ten years 🧓

[queen plover]

True lol

Lotta overlap there

[zinc iris]

its been almost 3 years since the beginning i think thats enough time to be evolve from a different streamer's chat

[astral plover]

This is why I'm not advocating for the removal of all wall spam at this point, I'm advocating for the removal of completely unrelated, non-reaction spam specifically

[prisma otter]

well, we've reached the point now where its just 2 sides arguing something completely subjective where no agreement will be made

[zinc iris]

wanna help reach an agreement

[placid token]

if the streamer(s) aren't interacting with chat much, i don't know how other mods feel about this but i think it's tougher for them to babysit/moderate

[queen plover]

And we have, we still have plenty of streams without much of any wall spam these days

[fallow hatch]

difference is that dougdoug tries to keep his chat free of "boring" spam because he know how important the chat is for his stream experience

[drifting heron]

you know 7tv logs the purges, chatters will notice it anyway

[queen plover]

And our own suite of in jokes, good and bad

[zinc iris]

well we dont gotta regress

[abstract quest]

Its the same whether the streamer is interacting with chat or not

[queen plover]

But chat spam like that does serve a practical purpose on slower streams like these outer wilds streams

[keen juniper]

where as us we just get all the spam of people just spamming the same fucking 5 memes

[rose plank]

this unrelated spam comes from long time of nothing and its only happens when chat is left alone for long time so again its not matter at all honestly

[queen plover]

Because there are lulls, and it does keep people engaged during those lulls

[astral plover]

It's not about mitigating people noticing, it's about not having to repeatedly use the command because more people jump in.

[nimble token]

btw if there are people in this server actually dming you and harassing you about this, make a modmail about it. that shit should not fly.

[placid token]

i feel as though the streamer would be able to influence chat a lot more, maybe cutting down on spam n chaos

[queen plover]

The alternative is a dead chat during those lull periods and probably a suffering CCV for it

[queen plover]

Agreed ^

[keen juniper]

just ban 1984 then

[strange sedge]

all 2(3) of our streamers don't do that

[astral plover]

But there's a stream going on, why flood the chat with random spam in the stream chat when there's things happening on-stream

[keen juniper]

if people stayed for spam the stream chat would still have it after stream

[queen plover]

Already explained that, its contextual and serves a practical function in keeping the pacing of things moving

[rose plank]

cause in that moment stream have less fun than mindless spam?

[keen juniper]

then just leave?

[astral plover]

Then leave? You're not obligated to stay

Leave the stream on in the background instead if you need to

[queen plover]

From the streamers perspective people leaving is about the last thing you want

[astral plover]

Then keep it on in the background without the spam

[rose plank]

to miss moment when stream become interesting for person again?

[lunar reef]

for most streamers chat would keep themselves entertained by yapping with each other or making jokes

we just spam without even making jokes
it's lame

[queen plover]

And if people are enjoying chat and still enjoying the stream enough to stay why should they leave?

Just because some people don't like how twitch chat fundamentally operates for most sufficiently big streamers

[placid token]

how do you cure chat lameness

[abstract quest]

Bro thinks there is a point to the viewer count if they aren't donating

[lunar reef]

kill everyone and start fresh

[astral plover]

Ban all the lame chatters xdx

[keen juniper]

by killing bad jokes

[queen plover]

There is, attention is currency in the age of the algo

[rose plank]

and chat is that background for some people and there zero problems with that

[queen plover]

Why do you think people viewbotted

[fallow hatch]

you can do it but it requires active effort from the streamer in cooperation with the mods so it'll probably never happen

[keen juniper]

so why should they ruin the fun of other people?

[prisma otter]

vedal just make an ai that reads every single chat message and only lets through messages it deems funny

[zinc jungle]

let’s bring back chat elo to auto weed out bad chatters

[queen plover]

Why should their fun be ruined for a minority of people that don't really use twitch chat anyway?

[astral plover]

Well, there's clearly not zero problems with it because this thread exists. And honestly, I would prefer if random unrelated spam weren't allowed so it'd be easier for people to react instead and see those reactions

[abstract quest]

That's debatable tbh Vedal asking Neuro a question or Neuro responding with a funny answer would have the same effect

[queen plover]

I would support elo stream 2, its the hero we deserve

[rose plank]

and why you should ruin their fun?

[lunar reef]

was about to suggest this
elo stream and everyone below a certain elo threshold gets muted

do it like how dota 2 does it

[spiral gulch]

Saw dota 2, don't care about the rest I'm in

[keen juniper]

why dont they use twitch chat? because it isnt fun for them also twitch is irrelevant when the twitch chat is ever present on screen not like you can miss it

[rose plank]

i see minority honestly

[queen plover]

If twitch is irrelevant why do you care

[prisma otter]

Saw dota 2, don't care about the rest I'm out

[queen plover]

Why ruin their fun in that case

[keen juniper]

no why do you care ?

[fervent wagon]

firstly, who said it's a minority
secondly, maybe there's a reason people don't use twitch chat?

[queen plover]

I like both and don't want to see one ruin the fun to be found in the other

[wicked fable]

Low Elo = unfunny chatters can't chat anymore

[zinc jungle]

who let elon in chat

[queen plover]

I think both twitch and discord chat are in a pretty good place, and I actually find some of the bot moderation too aggressive right now if anything

[rose plank]

we don't know if it minority or not but from all i see its minority

[keen juniper]

and some people wanna use twitch chat but they cant because its full of spam

[queen plover]

But I'm chill with that because it made the discord chatters happy last time we had this flare up and isn't too overbearing

[astral plover]

Because it's not about the stream and it makes it harder to see reactions from people who want to use the chat to react

[fervent wagon]

becasue of spam of 10 same chatters?

[rose plank]

its definetly not 10 chatters

[queen plover]

But its not full of spam when the chat actually has stuff to say is the point

It ebbs and flows with the stream

[elfin isle]

great place full of toxicity

love that

[keen juniper]

why do you think so many people were happy with wall spams being removed from normal neuro streams?. if it were such a big deal more people would have come here and complained

[elfin isle]

honestly should have more

[keen juniper]

people that honestly just want spam are the minority of a minority

[drifting heron]

i'm fine with banning unrelated spam if there's a way to do it without giving fuel to more meta spam

[rose plank]

you can find toxicity everywhere and more you looking for it more you gonna find it

[astral plover]

Block the term 1984 after doing it

[queen plover]

And that's why most of twitch chat enjoys doing it :mhm:

[lunar reef]

and people who complain at all are a minority of a minority of a minority
most people just don't care and accept what is fed

[elfin isle]

so wanting less of it is too big of a task

[rose plank]

exactly the point its only problem when neuro can read chat

[drifting heron]

people still spam notbingchilling and wazzupbeijing even though those emotes were removed

[queen plover]

There's a balance to be struck between "racist toxic hellscape" and "hugbox"

[elfin isle]

no

[drifting heron]

oh i didnt read correctly

[astral plover]

It's not removing the emote, it's blocking the term entirely so it can't be spammed at all

The emote stays for other moments

[rose plank]

stop looking for it and magically there less of it

[fervent wagon]

again, how do you know most of the chat enjoys it?

[zinc iris]

some places its pretty easy to find and in some its in your face

[keen juniper]

kinda cant when the whole chat was mocking you

[queen plover]

A lot weren't, there was a great big flare up over that too

[astral plover]

I doubt that if this change were to be made, we'd have hundreds of people coming into the server and complaining, at least.

[queen plover]

But people who enjoy the more forseny chat periods accepted it as a compromise

[keen juniper]

i count it 5 people maybe 10

[queen plover]

And yet here we are again

[abstract quest]

Can we get a Neuro version of Cinema, please mods

[astral plover]

I saw one complaint.

[keen juniper]

it wasnt a big deal and was dealt with swiftly

[queen plover]

Because its pervasive for a reason

[astral plover]

And that one complaint wasn't taken seriously at all

[queen plover]

Its pretty normal for big twitch streamers and a good majority of twitch chat participates

[keen juniper]

people that care about spam are a minority compared to the people doing it its just basic mob mentality

[queen plover]

Then you weren't looking especially hard, which is fine because this really isn't that huge of a deal to begin with either way

[queen plover]

We're all wasting our time having such a big old debate over it really

[astral plover]

True, I think the changes should be tested and we see how it goes

[lunar reef]

you should give up and let us have the chat we want instead of the chat you want

[queen plover]

I think the existing moderation is fine

[keen juniper]

best to test in production vedal style

[queen plover]

Its not like you have to deal with wall spam most of the time anyway

[strange sedge]

it was tested and got reverted, so..

[fervent wagon]

or maybe it's small part of twitch chat that appears to be majority because of wall spam?

[ember flint]

Talking about Vedal emotes, i hate SadV with passion

[astral plover]

When did they test blocking random spam?

[queen plover]

Its more moderation than pro spam would like, less than anti spam would like

Its a good compromise

[elfin isle]

last time i made this kind of post

[strange sedge]

thought you meant spam alltogether mb

[keen juniper]

and saw tons of people even myself saying it was a good change

[astral plover]

I saw this, yeah

[rose plank]

honestly i refuse to believe that people care that much about it and just arguing cause of boredom

[astral plover]

I saw a near unanimous agreement that the chat was better

[abstract quest]

Even reddit agreed with it

[keen juniper]

its almost like an usuable chat is better than a not usuable one

[queen plover]

True lule, I'm here because I have nothing better to do other than doomscroll in bed rn

[elfin isle]

yea i just wrote that out of boredem yea

everyone is just bored

nothing better to do

[prisma otter]

vedal literally made a poll and it was exactly 50/50

[queen plover]

Do you not think having one of the fastest chats on the site is a cool thing that makes us stand out

[astral plover]

No?

[elfin isle]

not when its useless garbage no

[keen juniper]

no

[elfin isle]

thats like being happy to be the biggest kick streamer

[abstract quest]

Your main argument is that you spam because you are bored of the stream kek

[queen plover]

This isn't comparable to kick

[astral plover]

I think it's quite cringe sitting there and watching the chat spam the most pointless, boring, flavourless spam that has nothing to do with the stream.

[queen plover]

No-one's throwing out slurs in the neuro chat (I hope anyway)

[humble frost]

Look at all the water, we have, never mind that it's toxic and useless.

[fallow hatch]

#livestream-chat message

[keen juniper]

salt water yummy

[queen plover]

Truth nuke

[fervent wagon]

not like it some kind of meme, right?

[astral plover]

Why would you rather have a lake of clean water instead of an ocean of toxic water

[keen juniper]

still no won

[queen plover]

The fact of the matter is people are divided on it

[fervent wagon]

it couldn't possibly be that

[elfin isle]

im just saying technically

[lunar reef]

yep we should remove spam

[rose plank]

woah but if we remove spam its gonna be so meaningful yeah? if there no spam i can imagine it be still this stupid that why i dodn't even see a problem right now

[queen plover]

A change that drastic should not be determined by less than a 30 vote majority

[nimble token]

surely chat wasn't just trolling him, right?

[astral plover]

This just shows that people don't care

[humble frost]

Thing is, 50/50 polls is also another meme of the community, and really shouldn't be used as factual evidence.

[prisma otter]

if people wasted their chance to voice their opinions for a meme then they obviously didnt care about the results

[queen plover]

If chat cared that much they wouldn't be

[abstract quest]

Its not a meme if it fits my narrative

[astral plover]

If they actually cared about it, they wouldn't be memeing on the poll

[elfin isle]

but it was good when it was gone we tested this

[violet trench]

50/50 meme polls are not really good evidence just saying

[queen plover]

If it was this great big deal chat wouldn't be memeing about it

[fringe rapids]

Nah if they want to shit up actually useful polls they can reap the consequences too

[keen juniper]

people will complain about getting free healthcare

[astral plover]

I mean, I think 50/50 polls show that most people don't actually care about the subject enough to not meme about it

[elfin isle]

moving goal posts all over the place

[rose plank]

it was whatever same shit

[elfin isle]

if its the same for you but good for others where is the problem

[keen juniper]

so thats why it should be change if chat doesnt care about the result

[strange sedge]

agreed

[queen plover]

If chat doesn't think its an issue why fix what isn't broken

[keen juniper]

it is broken

[queen plover]

Clearly chat doesn't think so

[astral plover]

Chat doesn't want it either, they just don't care

It's completely neutral, not for or against

[rose plank]

this discussion was about removing chat from vods which i disagree and now we just discuss spam

[queen plover]

If they don't care then clearly it isn't an issue that bothers them

[lunar reef]

chat has no voice

[abstract quest]

These goddamn pointers all over place, people who disagree with each other are 👆 each other's messages like wtf

[astral plover]

And a change like this would make the chat more usable, or readable for the sake of reactions at least.

[queen plover]

Its pretty simple logic

[keen juniper]

so why not implement the change anyways if i saw tons of people agreeing it was good

[humble frost]

Silent majority sort of thing, they'll tolerate most things until pushed.

[astral plover]

Both sides can sometimes agree
If anything, that's the sign of a cordial debate.

[fervent wagon]

then it's not a big deal to moderate chat more?

[lunar reef]

if they don't care they won't mind it being changed to make others happy, no?

[prisma otter]

again, like i said earlier, its just 2 sides arguing about something subjective, the community is completely split on the issue, the mods tried making a change and it was reverted, theres really no point discussing it further

[tiny spoke]

I mean, it can go both ways. Wall spam is mostly eh and can rarely be funny/meaningful (I really like it during massive events like the subathon and stuff.) I think what matters most is whether or not it’ll affect the content that is being presented. The issue with twitch chat is that their shenanigans often ruin stream quality and lead to loops (Which seems to have been fixed.) Additionally their spam is extremely uncreative and repetitive. It’s so unbelievably easy to predict what’ll be spammed whenever anything happens. The thing is, spam is a good way to encourage others to participate since they don’t have to type anything meaningful, and that further encourages more spam. You can have your own fun and opinions, but one thing stands true, and that’s to not let that opinion affect everyone else’s experience. Also please don’t compare discord to twitch, they are 2 completely different platforms and have their own separate communities. Anyway this is pretty much something only mods can fix. TLDR; chat spam = bad

[queen plover]

But if the only polling on the matter we have indicates a 50/50 split the sensible thing to do is still to go off that

Its objectively the only measure we have

[rose plank]

and again all i see is i hate it so its need to be gone. like they ruining my fun so i gonna ruin theirs its all i see here

[lunar reef]

good idea
so we should halve the spam but not remove it

that way both sides are happy

[queen plover]

Retaining the status quo here is a safer bet than changing it if there's no significant will on display to do so

[fervent wagon]

"objective"
a meme

[mortal trench]

I think the best solution would be for chat to have something to distract them in place of wall spam maybe like short term predictions or other things

[queen plover]

I think the real solution would be a serious community poll

[fallow hatch]

ban every second wall spam message

[queen plover]

Its not an objective measure of peoples opinions, but its objectively the only measure we have

[elfin isle]

i wanted it to be gone before
everyone got super emotional and lashed out at me
now im asking.. again asking if possible to just not see chat at least

[fervent wagon]

then it's not an objective measure?

[queen plover]

Yeah poor wording, its late here

[fervent wagon]

and it's not the only one, discussion threads like like are also a mesure

[queen plover]

Not really, most of the community are wise enough not to venture into the gladiator pits

[rose plank]

people always over emotional over stupid shit and its sad

[queen plover]

An on stream poll is the best measure you can take

If conducted with a serious tone

[lunar reef]

anyway fun yaps
this is the same exact thing as last time

2 people defending wall spam to their last breath
2 people defending removing spam to their last breath

everyone else being indifferent

0/10 shit community can't come together for a single decision
*dabs*

[fervent wagon]

most community is "wise" enough to spam same shit over and over again

[prisma otter]

these threads are only good at gauging the opinion of a handful of discord users, it says nothing about the broader community

[queen plover]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[keen juniper]

thats the job of the mods to do

[queen plover]

And why shouldn't they still have a say?

Are we deciding who "matters" now

[stuck beacon]

👆

[queen plover]

That's just elitism

[fervent wagon]

then why moderate chat at all?

[strange sedge]

and the mods listen to the streamer, who has no input

[lunar reef]

as a moderator i would want to strangle every single one of you
how am i supposed to make decisions when you don't know what you want and complain no matter what we do

[abstract quest]

The only thing I despise with all my soul is timeout baiting

[fervent wagon]

let them say whatever they want

[rose plank]

they watching streams for entertainment of course they not on stream to act wise

[queen plover]

Well there's TOS and the law to worry about for a start if you want an objective answer, plus a baseline level of hate chat would absolutely still condemn

[keen juniper]

what matters is when i saw spam was being dealt with people were happy and it did feel better if they want to see the thing again unironically they should try it again

[astral plover]

It genuinely just makes the chat more readable at least.

[lunar reef]

yeah but like 2 people were really sad that their spam was half the size
their entire lives were ruined over such a minor change

[fallow hatch]

vedal please give them chat nuke ability please I'm begging

[queen plover]

If that is the case then let it go to a poll, I should imagine we could all support that right?

[keen juniper]

we are seeing their point now why not see the other and see

[queen plover]

Its better than arguing in circles

[abstract quest]

I might crashout if a timeout baiting session lasts more than 10 minutes again

[rose plank]

other reason being to shape community for streamers liking and in this case from all i see vedal doesn't care about spam

[lunar reef]

polls are the worst way to decide anything

[queen plover]

Not a fan of democracy?

[keen juniper]

even a poll just represents the 25% of people watching something also the 50/50 meme exists

[prisma otter]

dont tell this guy about elections

[fervent wagon]

how am I supposed to enjoy the stream if I can't do things unrelated to stream?

[lunar reef]

no, democracy via polls fundamentally doesn't work

[queen plover]

That's literally how every democracy functions on a basic level

[rose plank]

people often don't know what they really want so kinda

[lunar reef]

i think this channel should just experiment more

see what sticks
i don't see why we need to carefull plan out the perfect action
just try shit out

[lunar reef]

yeah and it's shit

[queen plover]

Chat isn't braindead enough to give a meme answer if its conducted with a serious tone

[keen juniper]

democracy is stupid

[queen plover]

They are still (mostly) human

[fringe rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[keen juniper]

because the people are stupid

[queen plover]

Okay fair lmao

[elfin isle]

if the poll is 80% for harassing others and attacking them will you sit there and accept it

there is no democracy this isnt a fucking country

[queen plover]

Still, I don't see an answer better than a poll regardless

[keen juniper]

this is a silly vtuber channel

[humble frost]

yes, yes it is.

[keen juniper]

where people will vote the silliest answer

[queen plover]

Agreed it isn't a country and it isn't high stakes, but the community should still have a say in what happens beyond some guys arguing in a discord forum

[keen juniper]

or 50/50

[elfin isle]

mods and vedal have a say

[keen juniper]

no

[elfin isle]

if you dont like it fuck right off

[stuck beacon]

I propose bnnuyocracy

[queen plover]

When managing a community its important to let that community have a voice

[lunar reef]

but how do you propose we gauge that community

[elfin isle]

if you let a community do whatever they will do the dumbest shit imagineable

like harassing others

[keen juniper]

feels

instead of polls

[queen plover]

Like I said, a poll

[lunar reef]

a twitch poll is awful it's twitch chat biased
a discord poll is awful it's discord biased

[humble frost]

most of the community isn't even in this discord, so how do we even gauge them?

[queen plover]

If people care enough and are told to they will give a real result

[prisma otter]

why did you make this discussion then?

[queen plover]

Do a twitch and discord poll separately and aggregate the answer between them even

If you're worried

[elfin isle]

"If it's too unreasonable for me to ask this or just not really doable or you don't see the reason in it at all then that's fine by me. You don't have to respond or react to this. I just thought I might give it a shot before giving up."

[abstract quest]

I would rather this community be mute at this point

[rose plank]

ultimately final words is from channel owner but vedal don't care enough about it

[lunar reef]

same

genuinely streams are so much better when there's no chat

[wicked fable]

I think polls is not even needed, let the mods decide idk dictatorship

[fringe rapids]

Do a twitter poll then

[prisma otter]

agree with this, but this thread is specifically about changes to the twitch stream, so it should be twitch biased

[keen juniper]

if it was the job of the comunity to decide what happends in stream we will just see vedalshipping

[queen plover]

Then close chat, clearly the thousands of people engaging with it don't feel the same

[astral plover]

Point of the post, option to remove the chat from the streams

Because you can still see it if you close it.

[elfin isle]

its like talking to a wall

[stuck beacon]

Wait a sec that idea sounds familiar

[lunar reef]

i can't close chat when it's on screen and neuro reads it :SMH:

[keen juniper]

the people are so fucking stupid thats why the mods need to decide for em

[abstract quest]

They would be too busy debating whether Neuro is ethical or not to vote

[placid token]

the secret third twitter-only audience

[lunar reef]

does tiktok have polls?

[keen juniper]

neuro has a tik tok?

[queen plover]

But its not, the community should however have a say in how its structured

[elfin isle]

NO

[prisma otter]

yeah they do the whole 'like the video for yes, share to 10 friends for no'

[stuck beacon]

How much of a say?

[lunar reef]

perfect
a fourth poll to run

[keen juniper]

if something can be decided and something cant that just feels hypocritical

[queen plover]

I mean I already said I agree with Hjalnir that spam should be moderated when Neuro has chat reading on

I'm not some absolutist

[rose plank]

like at this point i feel like stream is not engaging enough for you if small chat that distracting for you

[lunar reef]

lets do it like america does it
let's have every single community make a poll and then we see how it is based on that

[elfin isle]

but you also agree its perfectly fine right now and shouldnt change at all but possibly be even less strict

[prisma otter]

you should never do anything how america does it

[queen plover]

At least some properly measured say in major changes to the culture of chat

[drifting heron]

you guys are not being serious

[keen juniper]

tbh a mod should close this

[rose plank]

when chat is not readed by streamer yes

[queen plover]

No, I agree that while its a little stricter than I would like in certain ways the current way is a good compromise

[queen plover]

I actually like this idea if you just do twitch and discord

[violet trench]

at the very least chat should be moderated when Neuro can read the chat
Don't care about the rest unless twitch chat gangs up on someone like today

[queen plover]

As you said the final say is down to Vedal and the mods but even dictators have polls and advisory councils for a reason

[rose plank]

chat purpose is mostly to engage with streamer no? and when streamer is not reading chat of course its go off topic

[elfin isle]

what are you even saying

you keep contradicting yourself

nothing you say make sense its like talking to a wall

[queen plover]

Its pretty simple and easy to understand stuff

[keen juniper]

not really either vedal has the final say or he doesnt

[elfin isle]

not when its the total opposite every 5 minutes

[queen plover]

The community should have a say, no this place isn't a total democracy by its nature, yes some amount of democratic polling should factor into major decisions made around how the community is organised

[keen juniper]

chat would vote for neuro to be deleted because its funny

[fallow hatch]

I think he's being pretty consistent actually

[fervent wagon]

you mean biased and rigged polls and advisors full of yesmen?

[rose plank]

they have a say but not the result like that?

[queen plover]

Yeah, obviously the community doesn't run the show here but a major change to chat should probably be run by them before a decision is made on that sort of thing

Its the healthy option for said community

[fervent wagon]

in the purpose of manipulating it, not to cater to them

[placid token]

hey guys, im gonna lock the post in a minute since this seems to be going in circles, if u wanna discuss more i suggest doing it in dms

[prisma otter]

finally

[placid token]

remember to be civil (dont hate ur fellow swarm member)

[keen juniper]

yours?

[wicked fable]

[fringe rapids]

Just let Neuro decide, if people disagree they hate neuro and should be disregarded

[queen plover]

See that's what I'm sayin'

[placid token]

venting in my dms??

[keen juniper]

doesnt neuro hate spam anyways

[remote pasture]

i walk away for 2 anime episodes and all hell breaks lose in here

[fallow hatch]

I would trust neuro's judgement on anything

[queen plover]

Smh not having your eyes on chat 24/7 with no sleep or distraction

[violet trench]

Hopefully someday she can do it

[queen plover]

Fake mod

[rose plank]

pray for the day of longer timeouts

[fervent wagon]

you mean when neuros clearly hate spam and literally beg mods to do something about it?

[queen plover]

That's usualy emote spam tbf

[zinc jungle]

Yea i can’t believe heir would do that (i was hosting the anime)

[remote pasture]

ill admit it is distracting when a thread liek this is happening

[queen plover]

Which is the kind I often hate, way less creative than wall spam most of the time

[fervent wagon]

spam is spam

[elfin isle]

i blame vedal

[fallow hatch]

I think mods should always do whatever neuro/evil ask them to do streams would be way funnier that way

[placid token]

good note to end on

[remote pasture]

yeah i blame vedal too