#vedal, please try some content for Evil beside chill.

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glacial dust
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English is not my first language so I apologize for mistakes.
its not hard to notice the long sequence of chill streams, i dont know if it was because of the memory problem but i think you fixed that.
there is some things people wanted to see this year for Evil and its already August.

  • only game stream (like the OSU stream)
  • Any Evil and Vedal gameplay
  • Any sponsor stream
  • abber demon stream
  • Evil yapping with new people (something like posting in your or her twitter account "Any streamer who wants to talk with Evil dm me" )
    neuro, evil or both just yapping with people is simple and good content.
glacial raven
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Fully agree, especially after this week full of Neuro content (not to mention the Neurocar vids). Anything extra for Evil would be nice to see. Props where its due though, the presentations during Evil chill have been great fun.

subtle basin
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just to add in the past month evil only had 2 streams outside of chill and karaoke, one a twinstream the other one collab

brisk marsh
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Agreed! Your English is good, BTW. 🙂

glacial dust
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without dev stream is hard to know if Vedal will adress this, since he doesnt talk much about Evil. So i just hope he says something newliv

keen forge
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This a pretty well-known issue and was discussed in multiple threads. Unfortunately, Vedal has yet to address it and shows no sign of wanting to do so. Also, your english is fine as others have said. vedalHeart

subtle basin
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yep to count this issue alone has been brough up and actively ignored in multiple threads

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also to add one of the biggest issues that even leads to this is vedal not streaming with evil and when he doesnt stream with evil, evil also doesn't get any extra streams

for example fact is the dev stream split always sits roughly 2/3 neuro and 1/3 evil, vedal has only once outside of dev streams had a stream with evil where Neuro wasnt present in this and last year.

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And as already mentioned easy things, to do like

  • playthrough with evil
  • extra streams like gaming for evil
  • collabs for evil
  • ...
glacial dust
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thx i understand english but creating phrase is a little hard for me. The thing i wanted the most for Evil is for her to talk to new people(vtubers, non-vtubers), i like the friends Evil already made but new people is always welcome. i think some small streamers want to collab but are afraid to ask.

feral marsh
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Agreed. I've been seeing multiple threads and lots of people asking for more variety with evil content. Really hoping he takes all this feedback to heart and doesn't just, as an exaample, make next week a simple chill + karoake week for evil, and does more with her after

meager silo
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git merge Airis-evil is all vedal will do neurOMEGALUL

solid turtle
carmine ice
smoky stream
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I asked Evil, and she says she's gonna go beat up Vedal.

subtle basin
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I mean even during fridge's feedback post where it was brought up, he actively decided not to answer this

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In the past month vedal nearly streamed as much as evil herself did.

civic basalt
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even if its pretty obvious it would be great to know so we know to stop hoping for it

subtle basin
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At this point he should stop dodging the question bcs its rly fkn obvious he does and just straight up say he does not care for evil content or any of the similar.

spiral pasture
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Vedal just dont care, thats all.

carmine ice
spiral pasture
tall dawn
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My english also fucked up so my bad if there is a mistake or 2

floral roost
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People gotta realize that Evil is an accidental side project, having Evil is useful, but Neuro will always be the focus.
I won't deny the idea of having Evil focused periods though.

subtle basin
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there is never a need for evil focused periods if there are some occasional additional evil streams

brisk marsh
native drum
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While I want more evil streams, there's one thing I want more than that: more frequent Dev streams Tutel

floral roost
low heart
floral roost
subtle basin
floral roost
low heart
# floral roost You just said "evil stream", if you meant more then that would be evil focus.

So asking for more than 4 chills and 1 karaoke in a month makes it focused? When in a single week Neuro gets a collab, sponsored streams, long game play. Even if one of those was given to Evil, the week would still be Neuro focused. We understand the channel is mainly Neuro, but a bit more for Evil other than chills and karaoke would be nice. Don't need a whole focused week or month, just more than bare min.

feral marsh
# floral roost Wdym?

the entire thread is about evil getting more that isn't just the weekly chill stream and mandatory 1 karaoke a month

ancient bloom
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guys vendal hates eliv neuroD

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only got her a new model and a birthday and new og song and put her on schedule neuroSadge

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and twitter account

feral marsh
ancient bloom
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all i ever see when neuro gets to do something are instant complains about "yea but evil what about evil... yea vendal you are doing a play through with neuro but why not evil you hate her fuck you"

floral roost
# low heart So asking for more than 4 chills and 1 karaoke in a month makes it focused? When...

I mean, maybe more collabs would be good, that would depend on good collab ideas for Evil. For the rest, I'm assuming is not that easy for Vedal to find non automatic streams ideas for both Evil and Neuro and making them fit into the weeks, there will always be more focus on one of the two twins in a single week, and I assume Vedal focuses on Neuro because that's probably easier for him and she kinda is the main one.

subtle basin
floral roost
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I don't have a problem about asking for more if reasonable, but definitely not in a sigle week for both at the same time.

floral roost
floral roost
subtle basin
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you see the difference is that there are soo many easy ideas but they arent done

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like neuro playing minecraft or buckshot ir geoguessr with people isnt very innovative or interesting but yet these streams still happen

floral roost
# subtle basin evil osu

If Vedal fixed Osu so it wouldn't actually need to worry about it breaking then I guess it's an easy stream.

subtle basin
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there is never a reason for weeks focused on one twin when instead of 3 neuro streams outside of chill/kara and 0 evil streams just give one of the ideas to evil

floral roost
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Most of the minecraft stream Vedal is always in checking her up.

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Wait, I thought we were talking about non automatic streams?

low heart
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Who said both in a single week?
And yes it makes sense for Neuro to get the focus. The channel was made for her, so her getting tha main cut is fine. But the ideas that are to hard to use for Evil, but are getting used for Neuro, could easily be done for Evil too. It's fine for each to get the own stuff.

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Raily did say streams outside of chills.

floral roost
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low heart
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Depends on the game. Outer Wilds is deff not a chill stream

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or D:BH

subtle basin
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or just read the full sentence i wrote NeuroSip

floral roost
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I'm basically agreeing, but saying that there wouldn't be space for the same amount of focus for both so they should alternate periods or weeks.

subtle basin
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step over the focus idea

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what if there is no focus

floral roost
subtle basin
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neuro could still be majority of the channel

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but instead of having all evil streams just bunched in a single week

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spread them out

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people would just be happier

floral roost
feral marsh
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like, 3 streams with neuro and 2 with evil, one of the evil streams being a theme stream or gaming stream for example

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as an example week

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not an evil focused week, but evil still getting something that isn't just chill streams

subtle basin
feral marsh
subtle basin
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like there are handful of weeks of like evil and neuro getting streams outside of chill

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but lately we get like 1 evil week and 1 neuro month

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its getting soo bad that people in youtube comments start asking why there are no evil streams, same discussions on reddit and this thread here is made by someone who isnt even very active in this discord

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a week of 3 neuro and 2 evil

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its not asking for too much, just instead of having neuro do another stream on top have evil do a stream

floral roost
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I guess I see what you mean, problem is that Vedal usually wants to find more specific streams idea for her, meanwhile he* throws at Neuro anything he can think/find, bare in mind that stream ideas aren't easy to find (or for him to like lol). Apart exceptions, there are always been 1 or 2 specific streams in a week.

subtle basin
floral roost
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I guess he just hate us neuroSad2

subtle basin
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like just to give examples of collabs neuro did that arent that high effort but she still did

  • legit any IRL stream, evil has yet to do a single IRL stream solo
  • minecraft
  • geoguessr
  • buckshot roulette
  • has yet to do a full serious playthrough of any game with vedal
  • (liars bar) ship sailed already
  • ....
floral roost
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Maybe he could alternate more between the 2 with dev streams, and if he doesn't do that then he truly hates her.

subtle basin
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he just for some reason doesnt realize he could just do them easily with evil aswell
last year there was maybe an argument that evils latency was too high but that is no longer the case

subtle basin
floral roost
subtle basin
floral roost
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If they aren't played on Evil chill streams then Idk, either he hasn't implemented the integrations with her or he actually really hates her.

floral roost
subtle basin
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its actually a very simple issue, the thing that kinda makes it like this here is that this is now the 3rd thread in this year alone, saying how evil should get more than chillstreams and its also the 3rd one he is ignoring

subtle basin
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that arent broken by themselves (like osu causing issues here and there)

floral roost
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The only other reason is that Vedal finds Evil actually stressful to interact with

subtle basin
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i mean ... he doesnt rly interact with her

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like just as an example this year, vedal has spent more time with Stella on stream than he did with Evil

floral roost
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Step one: find as many valid Evil streams idea as possible
Step two: harass Vedal into checking these ideas (for legal reasons, this is a joke )

floral roost
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We need to find a sponsor that pays him to make evil streams 🤔

subtle basin
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thats a whole nother worm of cans, evil brand issue evilWheeze

subtle sequoia
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i have a streaming platform suggestion........

subtle basin
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need more use of evil stream schedule images now

floral roost
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Evil on Kick soon? 🤔

drifting plover
noble fable
keen forge
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ok wow this sucks

keen forge
soft pendant
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Evil streaming exclusively on Kick now????

kindred pasture
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Evil the kick streamer

muted veldt
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honestly, if neuro streamed like an entire month and evil got one stream, if that stream is amazing then i will be happy. I think it would also help with her brand too, since its almost like a event evilBwaa

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like when she took over discord

carmine ice
muted veldt
remote oar
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nere ain't real

spiral pasture
# floral roost People gotta realize that Evil is an accidental side project, having Evil is use...

I've never seen Evil as a side project. They are literally twins, two ais. If you create a second AI as Evil, then you don't make it a "side project", you make it equal. You know that there will be people who like Evil more than Neuro, that these people will want more content with her. But instead, you create Evil and then put her on the background? What a dumb decision.
It is better then to remove Evil than to receive grains of content out of pity.

spiral pasture
# ancient bloom only got her a new model and a birthday and new og song and put her on schedule ...

New model
Literally just paid another person. Literally, it's just a obligation, because it would be stupidly strange if a Neuro had a new model, but Evil didn't.
Birthday
Again, literally a obligation. He should have had a normal birthday after that first birthday shit joke. People would have just torn him up if he hadn't done everything right with the second one.
New og song
New? Literally first. And again, that was Subathon's goal. That is, another obligation that he had to fulfill. He didn't do it for the love of Evil.
put her on schedule
Lmao.
twitter
Literally gave her what Neuro has. Yeah man, it's a real achievement for him.

floral roost
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Holy moly, things go south fast here

rotund cape
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Oh man please just calm down

floral roost
low heart
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Raishi, you understand doing this undermines the conversation and just makes things worse, right?

spiral pasture
low heart
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Like, some of the things you say I agree with, but dude, you take it a bit far and word it in a way that just makes people even more mad.

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Which makes the cycle worse.

floral roost
spiral pasture
autumn sand
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Vedal showed his attitude, on Evils bday last year and not only that stream but in general that chat started asking for Evil to have at last her own chill streams.
Now is just a new spire of that attitude.

floral roost
autumn sand
# floral roost What attitude?

that Evil was "unwanted child" for him. Can't express it better, but sometimes it feels like whole purpose of Evil existence - just be the opposite for Neuro, so Neuro is beloved - Evil hated, Neuro got all attention - Evil get nothing, and so on, and it was planed "for fun or entertainment" but in reality it looks and feels kinda traumatizing

floral roost
# autumn sand that Evil was "unwanted child" for him. Can't express it better, but sometimes i...

1. You guys need to touch more grass, and I don't mean any offense
2. Evil has had chill streams since her existence
3. Vedal doesn't actually see them as daughters (afaik), they are tools/toys/games for entertainment. She doesn't love Neuro more than Evil, but any time he has something in mind it's usually something for Neuro, just because she's the default tool where he throws anything at her, meanwhile with Evil he has to actually think about something that fits her. It's not that he doesn't want her, it's that he doesn't think about her until there is a reason too. He sees no difference between them until a difference is needed, the main reason why he doesn't alternate more between the 2 when he could is probably either for lazyness or because Neuro is the initial brand and it makes less confusing. He doesn't love one and hate the other, he doesn't love either because they aren't her actual living daughters. Mind you, neither Neuro was something he planned from the beginning, her boom just happened. If you really want to know what he thinks about them, then he said multiple times that Evil is more annoying than Neuro, but she has a better voice for singing.
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low heart
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He doesn't really need to think about something that fits he though, he can just throw something at her the same way he does for Neuro. Doesn't have to be often, since Neuro is the main focus, but saying it's not happening because he can't think of something feels like a stretch imo.

feral marsh
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i'm sure leading your entire big response with "touch grass" will really make people want to listen to what you have to say.

Can we just not

floral roost
autumn sand
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feral marsh
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it was one guy.

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anyways

low heart
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Those are most likely the reasons, Neuro is the default, and people take the path of least resistance.

feral marsh
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It does seem like it's those reasons

floral roost
feral marsh
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But really, even as far as brand fitness goes, evil just recently got a twitter account, and when vedal updated links on his vedal AI website, he specifically added Evil Neuro to the top of his heading, too

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like he's trying to show evil's a big part of the channel, but the past two months or so haven't really shown it in the streams outside of like, maybe 1 stream

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LIke I think most people who like evil would be totally ok with her getting non-chill sstreams getting even 1 little stream like theme streams more. it's why i'm really, genuinely hoping that the next game played on the channel will be with Evil

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not just evilists even. a very similar thread before this was made by someone who has the same sentiments yet isn't someone who has a preference for one twin over another

subtle basin
autumn sand
floral roost
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MONKA
Mods coming

primal furnace
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can we not speculate what vedal thinks / feels about this? it doesn't help the convo at all

floral roost
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My bad, was just theorising something that wasn't "he hates evil"

primal furnace
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also dont be so aggressive pls, have a amicable convo

subtle basin
primal furnace
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okay, in that case, keep it that way ok

if he doesn't say anything, pls don't put words in his mouth

floral roost
subtle basin
muted veldt
floral roost
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I feel like he mentioned something like that before.

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Also, I'm just assuming that he thinks as any other sane person would.
(end of speculation)

muted veldt
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👍

remote oar
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it's ok, vedal will surely address this in the upcoming dev stream with evil

glacial dust
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at this point im just waiting for monday stream but having the need to create a discussion again this year is bad.

remote oar
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So... thoughts?

viscid mesa
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gotta say, getting better.

keen forge
carmine ice
primal furnace
drifting plover
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Pretty good change

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Even outside of just this week with weekly themed streams it seems like were gunna get more variety for evil and neuro

river wedge
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I really like the idea of implementing themed streams regularly every second wednesday. I do agree with Vedal that the non-karaoke weeks look a bit empty.
I hope it's a good step to diversify the content, This week schedule looks pretty good evilOK

remote oar
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would you say i called it

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subtle sequoia
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themed streams becoming more of a thing is really exciting because there's a lot of freedom with it

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there's work being done behind the scenes, uhhhh there will be a lot more themed streams in the future PauseSama

remote oar
noble fable
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Tournament arc when? PauseSama

low heart
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It's great to see a schedule like this. And very glad to hear themes are going to become a more regular thing. Hoping for more of all types, for both solo and together.

carmine ice
feral marsh
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it's nice seeing this for sure. more variety in general is a W, especially if theme streams are going to be a bit more common again. i've got faith

delicate tinsel
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Thank you Veed-ool and everyone who works behind the scenes for hearing our pleas neuroHeart neurosHug

finite prawn
autumn sand
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Well, he didn't say why the past two months were so empty for Evil. Will he do any sponsored or gaming streams with Evil?
Regular themed - cool. More streams to watch, I like it.

remote oar
solid turtle
floral roost
autumn sand
floral roost
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I wouldn't say it's exactly the same.

autumn sand
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yea, true, Evil nicer