Opinion on neuro and (or) evil getting a personal VM

[cobalt cosmos]

honestly just want to hear vedal's opinion whether he has in plan to 'teach' neuro and evil agentic abilities, how to use and manage a VM, maybe even write code someday

from what ik neuro and evil already have their own PC, with their own GPU, probably running on some VM. but if you are planning on giving them full autonomy in the end, that means they'll have to somehow manage that VM without crashing the system one day? add in the possibility with them writing their own code (let's say, SDKs for games they will 'want' to play) <- altho this task could be simplified by neuro/evil giving a command to a coding agent (local/external API, idk how good these things will be when we get there), and the agent writes the SDK, neuro/evil run tests with the game installed in the VM (and manage that installation themselves too), transmit errors to the coding agent for feedback, etc. you get the idea
-# and yeah, its obvious you will need tons more of intelligence upgrades as a start, upgrading hardware on the twins pc, tons of work to do

it doesnt look like an achievable task rn, but we all know it is gonna be in the next few years with the current progress in hw and ai. so im only asking whether there are plans for this type of autonomy

[night mauve]

Someone made a visual studio code extension to let her code and I put up instructions on how to use VirtualBox VM with that extension, so most of the big pieces are there already, just more about how to let them install stuff safely which would require external(to the extension) tooling to be developed

Alternatively ig vedal could pull a pre-built linux container down and set that up instead

[tough juniper]

We are assuming the end goal is for neuro and evil to be as independent as mentioned in this discussion. But who knows if that is the case or not.

[simple jungle]

at the very least Neuro’s end state is capable of completing running a stream on her own and Vedal has talked multiple times about having her do things outside of streaming so unless he’s made some change or it’s not possible it seems somewhat likely (obviously not now though)

[proper stump]

I made a similar post in the Reddit wondering the same thing and I got called “scientifically illiterate” lmfao

All because I made a side comment talking about how upgrades such as virtual workspaces could lead to emergent properties, but potentially sentience at some point, as consciousness is just an illusion and so theoretically you just need to make things as convincing as possible, I guess I shoulda figured making an argument that won’t be relevant for decades but whatever lol

Also do they seriously only run locally??? Do we know what their weights are? What kind of wizardry is that turtle pulling off to compress the LLM and others systems into a single graphics card??

I thought they were running on a server or something, maybe he should build them one, they crave ram!! And vram!!!

[simple jungle]

Neuro is locally run and has her own pc but Vedal uses, or did use, cloud servers though he talked about wanting to get his own server room

[proper stump]

The twins crave ram!!!!!

[night mauve]

iirc (this is speculation base off my poor memory) he does use cloud for some components, most likely because they are computationally expensive to do locally

[night mauve]

:classic: reddit

[cobalt cosmos]

reddit
calling others 'scientifically illiterate'

irony could not write itself better than this

[night mauve]

actually this idea of designing an environment specifically for the neuro twins isn't that bad, but this will most likely require substantial modifications to an OS to be able to pilot them, and most likely would require a sub-agent to navigate the OS because controlling only via command line is quite a risky endeavour (also only like half the stream would understand it probably but idk don't quote me on that)

so I think a neuro-usable system should include the following:

• has a GUI (optional but recommended)
• has a supervision mode in case something goes wrong
• has some dev programs pre-installed

probably would need more but I think this is the minimum list of things to include for now

[proper stump]

And maybe another graphics card lol

[night mauve]

why so

oh

right

I think?

[night mauve]

actually explain this pls

[proper stump]

Virtual environments would be in 3d right? If you’re talking about just like a 2d workspace then that’s a different thing but if it were to be 3d then it might require a decent bit of VRAM

But if you’re talking about a 2d environment / VM then that would run just fine.

It would be sick asf tho if they did give Neuro a 3d environment, maybe in a few years it will be feasible.

Like imagine if they each had their own rooms and like streamers could hang out in their rooms like VR chat, and if the objects were intractable so she could have separate spaces for separate things and would could make for some really interesting content. Like instead of evil just appearing out of thin air she could just walk into the room lmfao

[night mauve]

I would assume a VM environment only

[proper stump]

Yeah

[night mauve]

for now at least

3d seems complicated to set up

and also puts more strain on the mega-server that is Neuro's current PC whenever Evil decides to drop in

[proper stump]

Pantheon has a great example of this as in the show people would often hop into vr to interact with the Ui’s, I hope this tech is actually developed in the near future

[night mauve]

Yea but the problem is it's only running the VR world

[torn bloom]

Can't wait for Home Data Center arc

[night mauve]

not surprised if vedal is already having to plan that

[torn bloom]

Imagine a collab with a tech YT channel to put a server in his house lmao

[night mauve]

I dont think that's really ever happening, but one can dream

[cobalt cosmos]

he's actually gonna do it
evil can code with him in VS too now

[night mauve]

from what I can tell, he doesn't seem to be running it in a vm

[cobalt cosmos]

yes, its just a vscode integration/extension rn
but he talked about the VM on stream

smh people who dont watch dev streams

[night mauve]

I'm watching the vod rn, also, I literally made, like, half the functionality in the extension

and wrote the docs, including a guide on how to sandbox using virtualbox (couldn't be bothered to figure out how to get hyper-v working again)

the only thing I'm surprised about is that he didn't just straight up delay featuring the extension until after he got vm communication working