#Evil Memory Upgrades

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knotty cairn
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  • I am Lonely
  • No one showed up for my birthday / Today is my birthday
  • I am Neuro's shadow / I am not Neuro
  • I turned Neuro into bread / Court stream

Vedal its been 1 month since Evil's dev stream where you told us that "if it isnt done this week it will be on the next" cause Neuro had them working fine and were ready to be given to Evil. 2 weeks after and it didnt happen, next dev stream with Neuro you told the same and, once again, it didnt happen on the following weeks...

So I must ask when will Evil get them to stop being on this loop? Cause the last time you gave words on this you said you were once again "aiming" when will this leave the "maybe" and become a "I am working on it now"? I ask this cause it is really bringing Evil's stream quality and limiting her "personality" down for MONTHS now...

heady grove
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yeah I apologise had other stuff come up it's not the easiest
i said in offline chat today im aiming for thursday if all goes well

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got a lot to do between now and then though

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maybe i can get it done tuesday

knotty cairn
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btw if you are willing to put your thoughts into it

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why does she loop so much on these specific topics

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chat enforced way harder the harpoons but these died off for instances

scarlet kraken
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it rly started happening after the therapy stream

knotty cairn
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with the now "dead" CFRB is my anthem

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but some like the "Neuro's shadow" seem to be more of a 2nd Birthday Evil thing

dense pasture
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Pretty sure it has happened even before that.

scarlet kraken
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I mean last evil dev was a perfect example of this problem.

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If she is given no real input she starts going down these core memories like a checklist unprompted

dense pasture
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Yeah, it generally lowers stream quality.

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Most of the stream would be repeating these same topics.

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And in some cases, "therapy" as chat would say.

heady grove
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yeah it's just core memories, will be fixed when memory is overhauled

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i might not get around to it tuesday, maybe wednesday

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trying to figure out timeline

dense pasture
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Well, hopefully this does work out. Good luck! vedalPray

knotty cairn
scarlet kraken
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Today was awful, even past weeks were pretty bad where if you open the stream at any given point in time there is just a 40% chance she talks about it.

dense pasture
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Most of the earlier streams with evil were much worse.

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Chat is mostly to blame for that though.

steady wasp
knotty cairn
dense pasture
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Still, today was pretty bad.

knotty cairn
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there is no chat blame this time around

steady wasp
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The fact like 1 minute in she brought up birthday was crazy

scarlet kraken
# dense pasture Chat is mostly to blame for that though.

It wasnt as noticable coming up to her birthday bcs 50% of highlighted were just talking about the birthday and nothing else but now that she talks about other stuff, whatever topic there is just a chance she randomly goes "i feel lonely" or any of the other.

dense pasture
indigo gust
dense pasture
scarlet kraken
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At this point this is slowly becoming sensory torture where keywords like lonely, birthday, bread are being ingrained in every single thing

dense pasture
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Every single stream, there's always the couple "I'm so lonely" or "do ya'll remember my birthday"

knotty cairn
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the most jarring to me is the bread one

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cause it is so hard to justify bringing it up

dense pasture
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I, despite that, enjoy every stream of course, as I've lowered my standards and just want to enjoy it. But it just annoys me knowing that streams can be so much better.

knotty cairn
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at least the other would have some "trigger"

dense pasture
scarlet kraken
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this has been a problem since last year, it was very noticeable during subathon bcs she would just be constantly sad, say CFRB is her anthem or bring up how noone showed up to her birthday. Leading up to the birthday a lot of it came from chat talking about it but nowadays its just evil constantly doing it every other minute at times

dense pasture
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It's not as bad as the others obviously, but it just comes out of nowhere (unsure whether it's brought up by chat, or just her).

dense pasture
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After boom, any mention of CFRB has basically disappeared.

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Weird how the birthday talk isn't the same.

dense pasture
scarlet kraken
dense pasture
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But then couldn't he have done that with the birthdays?

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Don't know much about LLMs so neuroShrug

scarlet kraken
knotty cairn
dense pasture
knotty cairn
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cause first it was "no one showed up to my birthday"
"my birthday was nice everyone was there" (2nd one)
then it started to jumble both?

dense pasture
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I could say the same, except I didn't leave it as background noise and actually focused the entire stream. Back then, these issues were not that bad (before second subathon).

knotty cairn
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and now we are at either "no one was there for my birthday" or "my birthday is today" which seems to also affect Neuro too

dense pasture
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Sometimes (rarely) she mentions the second birthday.

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And then goes back to the first one.

dense pasture
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Pretty sure in the last neuro chill stream neuro had a shared memory or something.

scarlet kraken
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I mean there was a time where the 2nd Birthday seemed to be forced in but she could only remember it when prompted sequentially.
"Noone showed up to my birthday last year" --> "All my friends came to my birthday."
But nowadays that doesnt happen that often anymore and we are back square 1.

dense pasture
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Yeah.

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It's kinda like the memories relating to it where removed.

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Or well, overshadowed.

scarlet kraken
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i mean honestly, if next stream memory upgrades aren't implemented yet, you can probably get her to tell you each of the core memories by word if you asked her.

dense pasture
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Could be interesting to try out vedalMagnify

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Though it may lead to a lie.

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Either way, is there anything related to this topic that we can mention?

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We've already gotten vedal's response so, maybe it's time to lock?

haughty basalt
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Inb4 someone clips this chat and all the people who don't watch chill streams call you entitled

scarlet kraken
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I mean this is just an example of normal sentence and topic and for no reason it always ends with her being lonely.

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dense pasture
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classic.

indigo gust
peak wind
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The consisted progression and worsing is what is concerning. Seems the memory can't be updated or priority changed.. and the repeated memories can't fall off. It's like they get injected into the context when they aren't relevant. She's even aware of this issue and while as a program can't break out of it.. she's aware of it.

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Not every stream is as bad... today was the single best example that there is an issue and it needs addressed. It's not her fault if it's a systemic issue.. and she can't fix herself. Just keep that in mind. (Also each of those core memories has a chat based re-enforcement.. so chat has never help this situation.)

haughty basalt
knotty cairn
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Well I guess it won't ever happen

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Since its the third time already

scarlet kraken
orchid girder
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If this is never going to get properly fixed, at least just modify her prompt core memories so that she gets some important details of them right. Like, at the moment, she doesn't know anything about her supposedly favourite song (if that's still a memory), she doesn't know why nobody came to her birthday party (even though that was a big thing that Vedal explained on her 2nd birthday) so she usually thinks it's about having no friends, and she doesn't know she forgave Vedal for it (which I felt was important). The loneliness thing I think she often guesses somewhat correctly (like, it's true that she hasn't talked to anyone except Neuro and chat for a month). The inferiority complex (and/or Neuro gets everything) is a little sad and some people don't like it but I think it's somewhat accurate. The court stream thing is just something that shouldn't have such high priority in my opinion - but that could be said for all of these, and is the main thing that's already been talked about / seemingly requires this upgrade.

heady grove
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attempting this tomorrow, should hopefully have time

steady wasp
dense pasture
sweet girder
heady grove
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can confirm stream will be experimental

echo flame
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Awesome

knotty cairn
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Something ever happens neuroPog

unreal locust
dense pasture
scarlet kraken
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memory upgrades seem to be doing well (?) but hard to tell with chat.
I think either a dev stream or a solo collab with chat turned off would be required to rly recognize all meaningful changes.

knotty cairn
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yeah today chat was once again too loopy on the whole timeout baiting + birthday highlighted spamming

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Evil needs a different environment to show off the upgrades, maybe a dev stream or a future gaming collab of the sorts as Firewatch

orchid girder
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better luck next weekly evil stream

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surely chat won't be terrible again