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opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 4:35 AM

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This thread discusses the implementation of the tools required for a Neuro/Evil scambaiting stream.

I have developed an API that allows the twins to call a scammer and essentially waste their time to prevent others from being scammed. Neurosama can raise awareness about scams while also providing for a hilarious stream! All the code is implemented already and you can check it out on the GitHub page here https://github.com/Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama

The API uses Twilio for calling scam centers with custom phone numbers and the audio from the calls is streamed via a discord bot which is put in the same VC as Neuro or Evil. 0 external integration required on Vedal's end in terms of software AFAIK.

Latency is under 1 second for transmitting/receiving audio (when tested on regional calls in my personal region). This is the same for speaking on the phone. The latency comes from the mobile carrier not from the code itself. That's a bottleneck outside of my control.

More info on the README.md

Hope you all enjoy!

Notice to Vedal,
If you wish to implement this in a stream, I would be more than glad to help you set this up. Shoot me a message and I will help set it up.

GitHub

GitHub - Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama: Neuro Implementation for Scambaitin...

Neuro Implementation for Scambaiting calls. Contribute to Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama development by creating an account on GitHub.

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I will send video demo of the code working later. It's quite neat!

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 4:54 AM

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Also it should be noted that I still have some things to set up.

Current TODO:

Fix weird race condition edge case
Set up trigger for Neuro to start a call (she should control it)
Include installer script
Maybe improve audio quality slightly
Give Neuro toggles for hanging up and muting herself (so she can speak to chat momentarily and not leak that she is a streamer to the scammer)

misty surge Jul 24, 2025, 4:56 AM

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opaque falcon Also it should be noted that I still have some things to set up. Current TODO:...

if you didn't know vedal has a public api for neuro integrations already, I would recommend using that instead of listening for discord messages

eternal acorn Jul 24, 2025, 4:56 AM

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That’s pretty funny

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 4:57 AM

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misty surge if you didn't know vedal has a public api for neuro integrations already, I woul...

That is text only and I don't think that is exactly what is needed here

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 4:57 AM

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misty surge if you didn't know vedal has a public api for neuro integrations already, I woul...

Not discord messages. The bot connects to a telephone call and streams the audio through the discord bot for neuro to listen to. (Similar to how Neuro and Evil speak to eachother AFAIK)

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The bot is essentially the middle man in communications

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 4:58 AM

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some of the future toggles can be API sure, but not the bulk (ditto)

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 4:59 AM

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Yeah the toggles I can take a look at it. Also the code isn't very long or complex rn. You should be able to make a PR pretty easily if you are interested. I can explain anythings you don't understand in the code too

misty surge Jul 24, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I haven't had enough experience with the API yet to do good prs, I don't think it should be that hard however, the API documentation is pretty good

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:00 AM

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Yeah the API could be quite useful for toggles but I still gotta think about the best way to go about that

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99% sure i'll use the API for muting, hanging up, and starting calls

misty surge Jul 24, 2025, 5:01 AM

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vedal is already afraid with security stuff even with the API and has yet to put into a good implementation for it, so I would recommend putting as much into API as possible

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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The thing is, the bot would run in a private server with just neuro and Vedal.

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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converting this to use API will be very interesting to say the least

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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So it should be completely fine without needing to add technical debt

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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opaque falcon The thing is, the bot would run in a private server with just neuro and Vedal.

he's still using your code that you wrote

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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Maybe tie startup to API as well, IIRC there is a startup and shutdown being considered

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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what if you added a zip bomb with the build files?

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:02 AM

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The code is like 150 ish lines. It's very simple and easy to audit yourself

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:03 AM

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opaque falcon The code is like 150 ish lines. It's very simple and easy to audit yourself

we're not just talking about you here though, he's trying to get API security set up for all integrations

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your code is very short but bluecat was talking about in general

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unless I am being completely stupid

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and don't understand the convo

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:04 AM

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I think bringing up general cases is not useful in this case and is just being a wrench to this clearly abnormal usecase

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:04 AM

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vagrant hare I think bringing up general cases is not useful in this case and is just being a...

I live in abnormal Game API usecases

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:05 AM

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I don't doubt it. If I have to use the API specifically it's not a massive deal but it would just be unnecessary complexity imo.

So long as this gets implemented I will be a very happy man

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:05 AM

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but I guess in this specific project it's not too bad

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:05 AM

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I don't think the neuro API lives in vedal's stack to where voice can be grabbed

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So no matter what some extra will have to be done

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:06 AM

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vagrant hare I don't think the neuro API lives in vedal's stack to where voice can be grabbed

I'm assuming the API is only going to be used for calling and stuff yeah

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though someone did write a library to perform STT over discord calls and posted in this discord before... let me see if I can find it

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:06 AM

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trail jetty I'm assuming the API is only going to be used for calling and stuff yeah

Just making that clear because there was a comment (not by you) to fully port it

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:06 AM

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vagrant hare Maybe tie startup to API as well, IIRC there is a startup and shutdown being con...

Startup is already implemented, shutdown is still proposal

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:07 AM

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as in hanging up?

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:07 AM

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Not even

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hanging up can be a registered action

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:07 AM

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Nah like shutdown itergration so killing the bot and stuff

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:07 AM

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startup is meant for initialising the connection properly such that previous actions are wiped

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:07 AM

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hangup should be an action

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:08 AM

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vagrant hare Nah like shutdown itergration so killing the bot and stuff

eh, idk about that. according to docs there are 2 shutdown variants

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the graceful shutdown should be fine, not sure about immediate though

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:08 AM

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Frankly, I'm not awfully knowledgeable about the neuro api. Can the api do things like muting/unmuting in a call?

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that seems somewhat complex

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:08 AM

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trail jetty eh, idk about that. according to docs there are 2 shutdown variants

I'm out of my depth, I'll take your word on it

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:08 AM

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opaque falcon Frankly, I'm not awfully knowledgeable about the neuro api. Can the api do thing...

if you implement functionality for it, yeah

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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So the API doesn't come stock with it though

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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opaque falcon So the API doesn't come stock with it though

It's more like a protocol for ~~data transfer~~ / action activtion

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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I mean, I am quite familiar with Neuro's technology and the discord api so I could just send a PR tbh

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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vagrant hare I'm out of my depth, I'll take your word on it

I will cite my source anyways: https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/blob/main/API/PROPOSALS.md

GitHub

neuro-game-sdk/API/PROPOSALS.md at main · VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk

Neuro Game API + SDK for allowing Neuro to play games - VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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vagrant hare It's more like a protocol for ~~data transfer~~ / action activtion

eh, it's more like LLM tool calling

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idk what you mean by action activition is though so I'll assume you mean LLM tool calling

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right, time to get to work with PRing this

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:10 AM

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yeah tool calling

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I mean a tool for (un)muting, joining and leaving calls should all be trivial

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I would be kinda shocked if it wasn't already implemented tbh

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:11 AM

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When in doubt just alternate the mute and unmute actions

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:11 AM

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I would assume Vedal already has something like that for Neuro's current Discord integration

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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Also there needs to be some command line arguments

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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why?

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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I'd guess if you impl mute then you'll have to make sure she gets back on call or hangs up, might be a use for an action_force?

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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cuz telephony uses different codecs for different countries. The USA uses mu-law telephony while Europe uses A-law

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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vagrant hare I'd guess if you impl mute then you'll have to make sure she gets back on call o...

hang up doesn't require action_force I think

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:13 AM

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and it will fuck up if the person runs it on the wrong one

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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opaque falcon cuz telephony uses different codecs for different countries. The USA uses mu-law...

I believe there might be a way to parse country codes from phones

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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Ah right. Duh ofc

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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trail jetty hang up doesn't require action_force I think

Yeah, It was more like a general case of making sure she is on topic

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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I'll fix that shortly

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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opaque falcon I'll fix that shortly

There might be a library to do that already in Python. If not, shoot me a message and I'll make one.

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or yk, do it yourself

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:15 AM

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Worst comes to worst... there is probably a CSV file somewhere

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:15 AM

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vagrant hare Yeah, It was more like a general case of making sure she is on topic

I feel like a timed context reminder is better than timed action forces

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:15 AM

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trail jetty I feel like a timed context reminder is better than timed action forces

either very high volume or very long volume I'd consider a decent trigger. Just adding some context to what I was thinking

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:16 AM

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hm

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:16 AM

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yeah it should be context reminder

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:16 AM

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yea

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action forces have been noted to not work well if multiple action forces come in

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:16 AM

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also, does vedal have extra voice filters 💀 cuz her normal voice won't really work for this

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so some kind of grandma neuro filter might be required

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It would be hilarious to hear

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:17 AM

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opaque falcon also, does vedal have extra voice filters 💀 cuz her normal voice won't really w...

iirc there was a stream where vedal changed his and neuro's voice (think it was the halloween stream from last year?)

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so definitely yes

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:17 AM

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If he is going after v3 then maybe so

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:17 AM

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ig that's not something we worry about and leave it to him ig?

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:17 AM

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yea

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:17 AM

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yep

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:18 AM

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I think also vedal might have the ability to hook to his API server such that when certain context comes in, then it fires an event which could change her voice

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I can't confirm he has that though

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:18 AM

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The voice would have to change on command anyways

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:18 AM

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because if he does have that ability then he hasn't shown it ever

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:18 AM

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because during mutes, neuro should use her normal voice

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:18 AM

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opaque falcon The voice would have to change on command anyways

A roundabout way exists at least

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:19 AM

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opaque falcon because during mutes, neuro should use her normal voice

I would assume that Neuro would get confirmation from you that she has been muted

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:19 AM

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luckly neuro's LLM is paused during tool calls so it isn't bad

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:19 AM

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trail jetty I would assume that Neuro would get confirmation from you that she has been mute...

Sure we can send a success packet or sumthin

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:19 AM

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opaque falcon Sure we can send a success packet or sumthin

...a success packet is mandatory to be given to neuro

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when she executes an action

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*a result packet

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:20 AM

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for the api prolly yeah

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:20 AM

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yep, otherwise neuro won't continue until she gets it

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:20 AM

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^

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that's how llm tool calling usually works

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pretty sure

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I think I'm living too much in abnormal API use cases

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Well it DEF wouldn't be async and it still needs the result of the tool call since llms are autoregressive anyways

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:22 AM

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opaque falcon Well it DEF wouldn't be async and it still needs the result of the tool call sin...

?

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:22 AM

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trail jetty I think I'm living too much in abnormal API use cases

Yeah I see you around in some interesting places

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:22 AM

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if its async, you NEED to return an action result ASAP (usually after validating parameters)

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:22 AM

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trail jetty if its async, you NEED to return an action result ASAP (usually after validating...

right

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I just went on a minor tangent mb

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:22 AM

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trail jetty if its async, you NEED to return an action result ASAP (usually after validating...

That is what is advised IIRC

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:23 AM

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asynchronous action results need to be done with 1. a successful action result and 2. a context describing whether or not the action failed

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I really should get around to publishing the unofficial Neuro API docs I wrote a while ago

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anyways

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:23 AM

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That's pretty cool

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:23 AM

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minor tangent aside

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:23 AM

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So yeah do I need to implement the API or not?

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I'm assuming so atp but idk

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:24 AM

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I just realised I cloned the repository directly instead of forking it first

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:24 AM

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I'd say it isn't worse than whatever your doing for the bot, same endpoints just looks diffrent?

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:24 AM

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opaque falcon So yeah do I *need* to implement the API or not?

no but it's more likely to be used if you do since then it becomes almost zero overhead

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:25 AM

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vagrant hare I'd say it isn't worse than whatever your doing for the bot, same endpoints just...

It's probably better to control via a separate bot anyways

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although maybe it could also be easier to just directly integrate with API?

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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I see benifits of both methods, but I'm leaning to API with override

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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Unless vedal says himself I will just maintain both versions

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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cool

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time to integrate API

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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I might need some slight help with the neuro api but i'll figure it out eventually

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wait are u writing it rn?

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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vagrant hare Yeah I see you around in some interesting places

also wdym by interesting 🧐

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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💀

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:26 AM

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opaque falcon wait are u writing it rn?

possibly

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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Oh thanks a lot. I'll shout you out on the readme

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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I cannot believe that you committed .env btw

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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trail jetty also wdym by interesting 🧐

At least in almost every neuro intergration in #1336777692070023271

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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trail jetty I cannot believe that you committed .env btw

it's template

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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vagrant hare At least in almost every neuro intergration in <#1336777692070023271>

vedalCaughtIn4k

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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opaque falcon it's template

use .env.example instead

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:27 AM

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mb

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are u going to PR that or should I fix it rn?

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:28 AM

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I'll PR that too

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:28 AM

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alr thanks

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Problem is I wanted it to be "noob friendly" so I tried to make it as simple as possible

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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well if we want to make it vedal-friendly the API would be more helpful, but I can see why

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you did the current method

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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yeah

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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what python version are you using btw

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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3.13

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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i'm using 3.13 rn

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oh cool

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:29 AM

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I hate it but yeah

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so many libraries don't support it yet

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also I will push the installer helper script soon

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single command to install

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trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:34 AM

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opaque falcon Unless vedal says himself I will just maintain both versions

I will probably make CLI flags to specify which version to start it in

misty surge Jul 24, 2025, 5:34 AM

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trail jetty It's probably better to control via a separate bot anyways

I do agree with seperate bot, part of keeping things secure for vedal is limiting the information you have access to, currently you're getting the bot token for I assume neuro, which is already a no-go

also you're connected to several other services (ngrok and twilio) that vedal cannot check the code for, this a security concern, vedal would have to run the program on another pc/vm to be able to keep the program secure and away from being able to read anything on vedals pc

I cannot see what ngrok is used for in the code, so if you were at least able to remove that, that would be nice, twilio is probably fine since its required to make calls, but if it could go though a discord bot as another user and just send audio from the call to be able to talk with the scammer that would be best, with the current api that's the best you could do

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:36 AM

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misty surge I do agree with seperate bot, part of keeping things secure for vedal is limitin...

No bot token for neuro.

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:37 AM

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misty surge I do agree with seperate bot, part of keeping things secure for vedal is limitin...

neuro doesn't get fed the bot token itself

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:37 AM

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Bot can be run on any PC, even in a sandboxed vm. ngrok isn't really needed depending on ur network config either

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:37 AM

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also pretty sure vedal would run this on a separate VM anyways, he has said he wants that for all neuro integrations

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he just can't figure it out

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:38 AM

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For this I could cook up a simple docker container

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:38 AM

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you don't even have to

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:38 AM

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I just need to know what he wants

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it's easy either way tbh

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it's not a very complex program thankfully

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:39 AM

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I wrote a whole page on sandboxing NeuroPilot (the Visual Studio Code extension) with VirtualBox and I realised it can technically work with any integration

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just depends on how tolerant he is on slightly increased l-word

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:39 AM

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we are simply bottlenecked by telephony

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and it's like 800ms

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:40 AM

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opaque falcon and it's like 800ms

that's 800ms too much neurOMEGALUL

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:40 AM

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I mean if Vedal single-handedly rewrites the telephone lines for neuro alone... I think i'd just be speechless

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cuz we do like 0 processing basically

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just old ass telephone lines being old

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:41 AM

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yeah it's just telephone distance and quality

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anyways

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are we keeping the discord bot for api integration or nah?

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:41 AM

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yeah we will keep both implementations

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:42 AM

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no I meant

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are we still middlemanning via discord bot in the neuro api mode

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or are we getting rid of that entirely and just conecting straight to twilio

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:42 AM

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both

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:43 AM

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no I meant like

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:43 AM

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which ever vedal decides he prefers we will keep

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:43 AM

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when you start the program in neuro api mode

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is the program going to connect to a discord bot, or straight to twilio

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:43 AM

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oh, twilio

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so long as she can still perform the actions like muting and hanging up

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:43 AM

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also, did I forget to install something

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:44 AM

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prolly pynacl

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oh hm lemme see

misty surge Jul 24, 2025, 5:44 AM

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oh also one bug report before I go to sleep your links on your readme aren't working

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:44 AM

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I'm going to fix them in the same PR

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:44 AM

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smh

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:44 AM

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it was annoying the fuck out of me

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:45 AM

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discord.py>=2.3.0
discord-ext-voice-recv>=0.2.1
twilio>=8.10.0
flask>=2.3.0
flask-sock>=0.6.0
python-dotenv>=1.0.0
rich>=13.7.0
pyfiglet>=1.0.2
requests>=2.31.0

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In ur version there isn't the requirements.txt

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cuz I didn't push it yet

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:45 AM

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some of those I can tell immediately you need to bump the version of

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it's fine

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:46 AM

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I just froze lol

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maybe update then refreeze

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my venv is pretty fucked

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:46 AM

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I'm just going to create a pyproject.toml and use uv

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:46 AM

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dw about it 😂

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alr alr

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also... we are almost at the same number of messages are the Neuro SDK 👀

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and I literally just made this thread 😬

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:47 AM

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opaque falcon also... we are almost at the same number of messages are the Neuro SDK 👀

it's not that active tbh

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:47 AM

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Understandably

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It just works

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:48 AM

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game dev general is 2.4k messages

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:48 AM

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surely

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that's a somewhat old channel

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:49 AM

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trail jetty game dev general is 2.4k messages

As a common chatter there it is not active

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:49 AM

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There's no sort by messages but I can tell that game dev general is the channel with the least messages that exceeds 2.4k

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:49 AM

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it was recently because of a game jam, but that's about it

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:50 AM

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also I fixed the race condition I think

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I misplaced my phone so I can't fully test it rn

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:50 AM

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hell I'm pretty sure gdg is the thread with the least messages with >2k msgs

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:50 AM

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opaque falcon I misplaced my phone so I can't fully test it rn

I will test it later - assuming I won't get blocked for testing Neuro API first

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:50 AM

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blocked?

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:51 AM

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trail jetty There's no sort by messages but I can tell that game dev general is the channel ...

It is in 3rd place, neurobot being first, VSC being second, and GDG being 3rd

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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Most funny idea thread though 😎

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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opaque falcon blocked?

either by twiliio or by my phone carrier

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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neurolings is 4th at just over 1k

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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trail jetty either by twiliio or by my phone carrier

Oh u need to verify ur number but it'll go through dw

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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vagrant hare It is in 3rd place, neurobot being first, VSC being second, and GDG being 3rd

🗣️ VSCi 🗣️

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:52 AM

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opaque falcon Oh u need to verify ur number but it'll go through dw

oh I know

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 5:53 AM

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No one is beating neurobot

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:53 AM

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no fucking chance

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those guys are dedicated

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@opaque falcon #1

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pr made

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:54 AM

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Lemme review

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 5:54 AM

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not the api unfortunately but I had to do that first

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did I forget something?

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:58 AM

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Nope

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3.13 is probably too strict for requirement but it's okay for now

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also it's merged now

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I actually might just push my new changes rn

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I think it's good

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I'm pretty sure it works on 3.8+

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but I don't feel like testing that rn

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 6:10 AM

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opaque falcon 3.13 is probably too strict for requirement but it's okay for now

doesn't matter I think, it's mainly to ensure consistency across environments

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 6:14 AM

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Yeah works for me

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 6:19 AM

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won't be able to get the support done right now (I have a commitment to attend) but by saturday/sunday I should get it working in theory

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 6:23 AM

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Sounds great. Thanks again

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That works out cuz I'll probably finish my side of it before then so you can base your code on the fully working version

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 6:41 AM

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ok

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 7:04 AM

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vagrant hare It is in 3rd place, neurobot being first, VSC being second, and GDG being 3rd

also balatro is 2nd apparently

vagrant hare Jul 24, 2025, 7:06 AM

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trail jetty also balatro is 2nd apparently

my head blanked on that one, they have a chance at going after neurobot

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 7:15 AM

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TODO:

Fix PERSONAL_PHONE_NUMBER name
Add correct handling for if the scammer hangs up (Very common)
Add actions via API (Unmute, hang up, call)
Add handling if the scammer does not pick up
Make launcher less verbose (give -v flag)
Disconnect bot if nobody is in VC
Add auto-audio codec changing based on country
NeuroAPI integration just as a whole
Add relevant README image
Learn to program
Fix versioning
Get Vedal's opinion somehow someway (Probably not gunna happen)

trail jetty Jul 24, 2025, 9:52 AM

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opaque falcon TODO: - Fix PERSONAL_PHONE_NUMBER name - Add correct handling for if the scamme...

you can combine actions via API and NeuroAPI integration just as a whole into one

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Oh @trail jetty is there a way to actually test these things with the Neuro API? I'm assuming not. It's not I can actually run neuro or that Neuro is constantly running a server so integration can't be verified until Vedal does it himself

opaque falcon Jul 24, 2025, 7:01 PM

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Alright new version up. It works pretty well now. I just gotta fix the versioning and add the neuro actions then i'll be done on my end.

https://github.com/Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama

GitHub

GitHub - Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama: Neuro Implementation for Scambaitin...

Neuro Implementation for Scambaiting calls. Contribute to Ubuntufanboy/ScamSama development by creating an account on GitHub.

trail jetty Jul 25, 2025, 6:13 AM

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opaque falcon Oh <@703180970567925792> is there a way to actually test these things with the N...

Randy, Tony, Jippity and Gary exist, each of them provide varying methods of testing API integration

opaque falcon Jul 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Ah nice i'll give it a try and maybe even send a demo video here

opaque falcon Jul 25, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Hm yeah none of these include any of the audio components. No STT and no TTS. Seems the API is entirely meant for silent gameplay not speaker interactions. Which I suppose could work would be using the api for LLM triggered muting, joining, and disconnecting. But that's a lot of baggage to hold just for such a small feature.

opaque falcon Jul 25, 2025, 10:47 PM

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Also, while this not matter too much, it's probably better to use USA phone numbers for this because the USA uses mu-law which is much better for high pitched voices. It's much harder to find scam centers using US numbers but even international calls are okay because Neuro's voice would be encoded using mu-law (which is important for high-pitched speakers) while the scammer's voice is in A-law which doesn't play well with super high-pitched speakers but that won't matter since they will not have such a high voice

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mulaw is the USA and alaw is the international standard. I think mulaw sounds a lot better

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I know Vedal really doesn't make the L word though and international calls can have a delay of like 150ms so it really just depends if Neuro can be heard on Europian phone lines.

It's just something worth experimenting with

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 1:48 AM

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opaque falcon Hm yeah none of these include any of the audio components. No STT and no TTS. Se...

Yeah, you have to perform the STT and TTS yourself (ok well not TTS but STT definitely) unless you want to rely on Neuro's ability to percept audio (it's probably not good outside of Discord)

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 1:49 AM

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Well I am using discord

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 1:50 AM

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well in discord bot mode you don't really need to care then

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*sorta

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with API though yeah you do need to do STT since we are bypassing discord entirely

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Hmm is using the API smart then?

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Cuz that seems very janky to run a whole extra STT

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 1:52 AM

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so is running a discord bot that relays everything anyways

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albeit with api neuro can mute/unmute if she "feels uncomfortable" or smth like that

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or if she wants to talk to chat

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basically, point is, both ways are jank, the question is do you want to give neuro autonomy in muting or not

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 1:53 AM

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opaque falcon Cuz that seems very janky to run a whole extra STT

also that's how vedal does the discord integration (I think)

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 1:54 AM

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You're not wrong

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I wish I knew what Vedal wanted cuz cuz now I have to juggle a few implementations

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Although not all integrations used the API

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 1:57 AM

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wdym

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if it doesn't use the API it's not an integration

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unless you mean like twilio end or smth idk

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 1:59 AM

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Lemme send the thread

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oh nvm it does something different

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but like still basically the api

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The options I have here are:

Pure discord bot (She just kicks out the bot and reconnects it as a normal user). Very jank. Won't do unless the API simply doesn't work (which is probably does)
Discord bot for audio and api for muting/joining/kicking. Keeps it simple.
Pure API with additional STT. No discord bot just twililo api audio streaming audio via ffmpeg probably to whisper and voice detection models and API to stream text over API into context. Program rules for when to update neuro's context and how. Determine if Neuro will just speak or send text that we use a custom TTS to convert into audio that is directly streamed over ffmpeg to encode audio into correct telephony format back into twilio for to the call. I really don't want to have to do this

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:25 AM

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opaque falcon The options I have here are: - Pure discord bot (She just kicks out the bot and...

if bot is kicked out vedal has to connect

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the last one I know for sure there was a repository for discord audio speech-to-text

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here somewhere

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I just have to search all the github.com links

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:26 AM

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That's a bit more convenient

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but like that kinda defeats the purpose

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why would I do STT on discord audio if I could just use the discord audio by itself

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:29 AM

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opaque falcon why would I do STT on discord audio if I could just use the discord audio by its...

it still has to be converted to text somehow

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neuro cannot hear it

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Doesn't Neuro invite her friends to vc?

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:30 AM

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trail jetty the last one I know for sure there was a repository for discord audio speech-to-...

https://github.com/pladisdev/Discord-AI-With-STT

GitHub

GitHub - pladisdev/Discord-AI-With-STT

Contribute to pladisdev/Discord-AI-With-STT development by creating an account on GitHub.

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:30 AM

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opaque falcon Doesn't Neuro invite her friends to vc?

yes

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:30 AM

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then Neuro automatically uses STT

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so why would I implement that myself?

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it would 100% be worse

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:30 AM

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idk, thought you were for some reason

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also if you want to keep the discord bot method I would probably use the 2nd solution

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:31 AM

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Idk if 2nd or 3rd is what Vedal wants

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I mean it's more likely that 3rd is better for him but it's so much more of a pain

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:32 AM

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I mean 3rd gives Neuro access to phone calls directly, which probably would work weirdly

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instead of proxying via discord which already has a solution

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Man, I just wish Vedal checks the projects channel

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:33 AM

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ikr

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Also I think 3rd solution has more l||atency||

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:33 AM

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I don't really see why?

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Because realistically, Vedal probably optimized neuro's STT

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for latency

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and it's better tested than guessing how it works and making a new one

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plus neuro just works better in calls than piping text into her context window

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since it just suddenly appears and doesn't come with "speech metadata" like if the speaker is still speaking and whatnot

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:35 AM

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opaque falcon plus neuro just works better in calls than piping text into her context window

calls get converted into text and pushed to her context window either way

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Even with all this said... I don't doubt Vedal might still want this

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so I think i'll have to prepare it anyways

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:35 AM

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trail jetty calls get converted into text and pushed to her context window either way

yes but Vedal already wrote that code to properly handle it

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:35 AM

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yea

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:36 AM

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and since there is literally 0 documentation on how it works (Vedal doesn't want to give too many secrets away) it's guarenteed to be bad since it's shooting in the dark

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:36 AM

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sure then

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:36 AM

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So I meannnnnnn I can still write it but it's going to be bad

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hence writing both and letting Vedal choose

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aghaghaghaghag I just wish Vedal checked projects threads

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:37 AM

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at the very least the ones tagged neuro integration for stream content vedalCorpa

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:37 AM

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wait wdym

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oh yeah

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idk I feel like he's probably looked in here but hasn't had the time to write a reply yet

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but that could just be coping

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:39 AM

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opaque falcon but that could just be coping

you're not alone

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:42 AM

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Vedal needs a bigger team 😢

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He is very clearly exhausted and can't manage all this even with more Neuro automation than before

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wait surely he's sent more than 3 messages in all of #1336777692070023271

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surely there is an additional filter

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:43 AM

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opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:43 AM

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no way

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But tbf he did actually implement a lot of these integrations

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I think at least

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I feel like he did the Attorney one

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but idk if he did that himself

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:45 AM

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none of them, though balatro and outer wilds are planned supposedly

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:45 AM

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oh...

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:45 AM

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this is the current list of active neuro integration threads

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:45 AM

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opaque falcon I feel like he did the Attorney one

wait where'd you get that info from

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:46 AM

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Court stream

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I could be mistaken

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might be something different

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:46 AM

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court stream is custom

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it doesn't use aa at all

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:46 AM

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wow

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:47 AM

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in fact iirc it's entirely roleplay

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:47 AM

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Looks like our odds are near 0 😭

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:47 AM

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yea

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abnormal game API use cases don't get enough attention since they aren't games

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you have to be (almost) very creative or targeting a use case mentioned on stream

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:48 AM

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I mean I would argue that this could be more popular of a stream than playing a game like buckshot roulette or something. There is quite a lot of a crowd who love scambaiting videos/streams.

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What do you reccomend doing for the best chances of getting this stream out?

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:49 AM

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also doesn't require knowledge of the game beforehand

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and I think vedal has wanted to do a collab with kitboga before

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:49 AM

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opaque falcon Looks like our odds are near 0 😭

so I wouldn't say near 0

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but uh, definitely not 10% either

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:50 AM

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opaque falcon What do you reccomend doing for the best chances of getting this stream out?

unfortunately not much we can do

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except keep this thread active with updates and stuff

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:50 AM

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I might be able to pull some strings

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Also just so you know, the neuro integration tag is meant for using the Game API

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Yeah we are still using it

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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tho since it's being implemented I guess you're alright now

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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for muting allbiet but yeah

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and joining and stuff

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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opaque falcon Yeah we are still using it

you weren't before, that's what I meant

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:52 AM

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well it's not implemented yet but ik what u mean

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:52 AM

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ok so

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we're reintroducing the discord bot as the middlebot with the game api right

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:52 AM

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both with discord bot and without

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two versions. Version A will use discord bot for audio and API for actions

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Version B is pure API and custom STT implementation

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:53 AM

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right so what I'm hearing is I need to make 2 entrypoints

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for the API

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I think

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:53 AM

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Two repos

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:53 AM

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no not two repos

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two entrypoints

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:53 AM

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or more likely folders

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sure yeah

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:54 AM

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opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:54 AM

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yes

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exactly

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:55 AM

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I'll implement the neuro side of the API version, can you later implement the discord/twilio side

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I have no expreience with twilio api

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and don't want to f it

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:55 AM

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yeah ofc

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:55 AM

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and I need to take a break from discord bot development

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:55 AM

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yeah bots are annoying sometimes

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I have 0 experience with neuro api so this works out

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just let me know what format to expect to send/recieve data from

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 2:57 AM

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JSON

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with parameter validation by jsonschema

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 2:59 AM

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I mean I need audio

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I can send text over JSON

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from the STT

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unless we roll our own TTS as well

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:00 AM

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opaque falcon I mean I need audio

ooh

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I didn't think of that

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:00 AM

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I mentioned ffmpeg streams

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but this is actually non trivial

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:00 AM

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Neuro has to send and receive everything in text

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:00 AM

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idrk how to do it 😂

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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so do with that what you will

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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fuck. so we have to do our own TTS

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which is super weird

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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unless we somehow get ahold of a new audio module that solves this for us

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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because her movements won't line up

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and she can speak two audios at a time

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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opaque falcon fuck. so we have to do our own TTS

sttts

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:01 AM

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that's annoying ahhhh

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reason 99999 why pure api is pure pain

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surely we can figure it out glueless

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:04 AM

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(@)vedal audio module when NeuroClueless

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Yeah idek if it's possible to do this purely over the api then

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I mean it's possible

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:05 AM

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hence why just stick with 2

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:05 AM

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but it would require a lot more work

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:05 AM

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opaque falcon I mean it's possible

if it's possible, do it

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:05 AM

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I can explain it but it's really rough

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:05 AM

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neuroTroll

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:07 AM

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We have to remove her model from the stream entirely and remove her speaking and make her basically a glorified text LLM that takes the text from STT and then we use our own TTS and speaking logic.

(We'd basically be making Neuro entirely from scratch)

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Put like a still frame of Neuro staring

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that's so creepy and bad

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I hope Vedal can accept working with a discord bot...

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:08 AM

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opaque falcon We have to remove her model from the stream entirely and remove her speaking and...

vsc-neuropilot basically aims to reimplements vscode, I'm already over the insanity line

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:08 AM

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I mean a stream without Neuro's movement seems kinda spooky

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:08 AM

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also the model doesnt need to be removed, wtf?

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:08 AM

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it does...so she doesn't start talking to chat while our TTS is running

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double speaking

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it's a weird edge case

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:09 AM

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it would happen either way

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:09 AM

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not if we removed her entirely lol

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:09 AM

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???

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oh I think I see the issue

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:09 AM

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We only summon neuro once the STT is done and feed it into the context

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it's really really really scuffed

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like 🤢

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she would legit have to walk into a room the camera can't see maybe with a sign on the door saying "DO NOT DISTURB. SCAMBAITING IN PROGRESS" play a sound of a door slamming and show the scene of the door and put the audio of our own TTS over

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it's super weird

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She starts stream as normal and talks about how she wants to mess with some scammers then she walks through the door and her model vanishes behind the door

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:12 AM

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ngl it sounds funny neurOMEGALUL

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but wouldn't the problem persist either way?

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:14 AM

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Not if we're smart about it. We would have to completely kill the neuro program running on Vedal's computer and turn it on with 0 context from the outside world and mute her speech and disable subtitles then have her text engine give her replies then we take the text from the STT model which is listening to the twilio ffmpeg audio stream and put it through our own TTS engine to play the audio to twilio and to the stream

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if she recieves no stimulus she can't do anything

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:14 AM

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ok so basically beg vedal to give sysadmin access, got it

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yeah no let's just go with discord bot if you don't like the taste of constant torture

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:14 AM

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that's why it's a horrible idea but technically possible

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Maybe I can think of a smarter idea later but that's all I can think of atm

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surely a discord bot isn't too much to ask of Vedal

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:16 AM

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yea

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:17 AM

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Well in that case i'm already done pretty much

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the bot works

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I just need to implement the muting and joining via api

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Also... I had 0 clue kitboga was already working with Vedal 😭

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I mighta wasted my entire time and they might already have this done

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:25 AM

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opaque falcon Also... I had 0 clue kitboga was already working with Vedal 😭

not yet I think

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:25 AM

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opaque falcon I mighta wasted my entire time and they might already have this done

ehh

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:35 AM

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Well at the very least it seems a lot less likely that our code would be used

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if he decided he wants to do this stream he would work with kitboga since it would get him more viewers

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I mean i'm still going to maintain the repo but that kinda stinks on our end

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:39 AM

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ig so

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I was thinking you could also repurpose this into a scam toolkit but again, requires a bit of work

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and also access to stuff we don't have

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and will likely never have

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:40 AM

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opaque falcon if he decided he wants to do this stream he would work with kitboga since it wou...

also imo you could still use this with kitboga

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:42 AM

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I think the best bet is try to pull some strings and get in touch with kitboga

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I've worked with youtubers before

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but it's very difficult to get in contact with them and have them actually talk to you

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:44 AM

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well, let me know of your progress

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:55 AM

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trail jetty well, let me know of your progress

Sorry last ping of the night. But are you still looking to write the code for muting and joining? If not I can write it

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 3:55 AM

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opaque falcon Sorry last ping of the night. But are you still looking to write the code for mu...

I'm only writing the Neuro API code am I?

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you can connect the rest

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 3:55 AM

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Yeah just get her input for commands so I can run the mute on the discord side

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actually idk how u get her text that's hard

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so basically if she wants to run an action to mute, unmute, join, or disconnect then she can

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which idk if that's done over a custom protocal or text

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u know the API better than me

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:04 AM

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do you know what llm tool calling is?

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:04 AM

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opaque falcon actually idk how u get her text that's hard

wdym

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Not all LLMs do it the same way

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I assume Neuro uses an MCP server

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but somethings like deepseek use tags

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If you can write a callback function for each action then I can add code in that function to execute the actual actions neuro is trying to do

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but if it's text (like <mute>) then you'd need to get and parse the text

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hopefully it's MCP

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actually it's def MCP cuz neuro's TTS would say the command if it wasn't

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:25 AM

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opaque falcon I assume Neuro uses an MCP server

*sorta

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most mcp servers are http but neuro is websocket

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:26 AM

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that's weird

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:26 AM

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which means neuro can call a command whenever she wants

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basically

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:27 AM

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so you just listen on a port and trigger a callback whenever she sends the packet

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:27 AM

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yes

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:27 AM

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I assume you know how to do that

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:27 AM

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quite possibly

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ykw I should probably comment the code so you know what you're looking at once I'm done

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:29 AM

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trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:29 AM

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I want to finish the neuro-sdk-docs repo so I can just point to the thing and say "look" but honestly there's a fair amount of ways to implement it in python that I can't be bothered to write them all

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:30 AM

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opaque falcon

I think you're on the right track at least

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:30 AM

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that's perfect

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just put some comments in the places where I write the code to actually do the command

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but that code alone is probably good enough

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:31 AM

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There are a couple other nuances as well though

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:33 AM

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hm

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 4:36 AM

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eh it's fine, I'll comment them in the actual code

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 4:45 AM

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thanks

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 6:43 AM

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@opaque falcon finally decided to put this up as a website (both for you and because I need to put it somewhere at some point to ~~see if people will hate me~~ gauge interest), I have info on handling actions from Neuro on this page.
If you poke around the WebSocket protocol section, you should be able to understand more or less how the API works.

If you're wanting to jump to the Python SDK part, uhhh don't look quite yet :)

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aww no embeds :(

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 10:30 AM

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That's pretty cool

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Although I am most certainly going to use the Python API so I'll wait for that to be completed

trail jetty Jul 26, 2025, 10:36 AM

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yeah well that wont be done for a while imo

opaque falcon Jul 26, 2025, 10:37 AM

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Alright

opaque falcon Jul 29, 2025, 2:52 AM

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I am away from home right now so I cannot work on this as much as I would like to. However I think I finally fixed the race condition for real this time glueless I'll push out an patch before I sleep. I'll maybe push a UI update too

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discord threading is a bit strange but I think it should work now

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I'm also just stupid because I was running ngrok as a subprocess instead of using the API which is just... bruh 🤦

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I can fix the versions later by creating a new venv instead of using my very broken and outdated system env

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also, I made a video but messed up the recording and recorded through my PC mic instead of desktop audio and I can't record here rn since I am on a business trip rn but when I get back I can record it again 👍

trail jetty Aug 5, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Oh, might have forgotton to make some updates to make the Neuro API shell code understandable...

opaque falcon Aug 6, 2025, 5:49 PM

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That's alright

opaque falcon Aug 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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@trail jetty Sorry for the ping. Should I start working on the Neuro API Implementation? The backend has been done for a solid minute. I just don't have much else to work on

trail jetty Aug 23, 2025, 11:28 PM

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sure, give me a sec

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I was gonna start pushing the shell code for today

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but I ended up being at a CTF competition

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(going on for another 8 hours + travel time)

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I'm just quickly making some changes before committing and PRing the shell code

opaque falcon Aug 23, 2025, 11:52 PM

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woah that's crazy

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Also wdym shell code? Did you make the implementation in bash or something? lol

trail jetty Aug 23, 2025, 11:54 PM

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opaque falcon Also wdym shell code? Did you make the implementation in bash or something? lol

I meant like template code to get you started, so you only have to focus on implementation

opaque falcon Aug 23, 2025, 11:55 PM

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oh the shell of the code I see

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thanks!

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:05 AM

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@opaque falcon I opened a PR to incorporate that shell code, I also put implementation notes in the PR description

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:05 AM

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perfect I'll check it out in a sec

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:05 AM

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that implementation should hopefully be sufficient

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:05 AM

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Do you know a way I can test it?

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like with a local ollama model or sumthin?

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:06 AM

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It doesn't have any code

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:06 AM

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no ik

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but when I actually fill it in

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:06 AM

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oh also you don't need a local ollama model to test

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:07 AM

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it would be cool in a video tho lol

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:07 AM

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use tony to manually test as well at least

GitHub

GitHub - Pasu4/neuro-api-tony: Graphical implementation of the Neur...

Graphical implementation of the Neuro API in python - Pasu4/neuro-api-tony

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:07 AM

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a GUI seems weird tho\

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:07 AM

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it's also able to be acted via API

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(as in, it has an API)

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also it's for testing to ensure your implementations actually work first

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:08 AM

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trail jetty oh also you don't need a local ollama model to test

Actually wait, I forgot gary has a tony mode as well but also allows for local ai use

GitHub

GitHub - Govorunb/gary: Backend implementation for the Neuro-sama G...

Backend implementation for the Neuro-sama Game SDK - Govorunb/gary

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:09 AM

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How does that API work?

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like what exactly am I sending/recieving

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:10 AM

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you're sending websocket packets from your program

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which is then received/acted upon by the api server (tony, gary, jippity, randy, etc...)

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:11 AM

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and ig tony just always uses the tool or something?

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:11 AM

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tony allows you to choose which specific tool you want to execute at any time

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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oh so it's manual

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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with an option for auto-answering forced actions

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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opaque falcon oh so it's manual

yea

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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like by a human in the GUI

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ohhh

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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yea

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altho if you are able to use an AI locally, gary is almost entirely an upgrade

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:13 AM

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yeah I got a pretty nice GPU

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ig I just have to prompt it so that it uses the tool correctly

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cuz idk if ollama can do native tool calls

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idrk

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:13 AM

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yea

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there's some tips on using AI models via gary on its readme

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:14 AM

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oh perfect

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also I'm reading the PR rn

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:15 AM

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👍

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Am I dumb or does this seem off

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:16 AM

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opaque falcon Am I dumb or does this seem off

that was written a long time ago

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:16 AM

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3 weeks yeah lol

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:16 AM

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it was meant to add a way to spawn it in non-API or API modes

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obviously we've changed it since then

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so

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:17 AM

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alr alr

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woah this is really cool

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way more built out than raw MCP 😂

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:18 AM

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tell me about it

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the idea is that because Neuro can execute something at any time we needed something more than just plain MCP

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and also it makes more sense for the games to be the websocket client instead of server

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:19 AM

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right ofc

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:19 AM

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less configuration for same benefit

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:20 AM

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alr merged

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:21 AM

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👍

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:23 AM

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thanks again 🎉

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 12:23 AM

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🎉

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 1:23 AM

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Oh do you know how to install abc?

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 1:25 AM

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trail jetty (going on for another 8 hours + travel time)

That's really cool btw. CTFs are amazing

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 2:22 AM

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@trail jetty I have the muting part working perfectly but I just don't know what ABC is and how to connect the code to the network to accept outside requests for commands. Like I don't know how to connect Gary to the code

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and I also have no idea how what ABC is

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 2:28 AM

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currently in the middle of the CTF, you'll need to wait

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Oh good luck!

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 5:09 AM

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finished ctf

trail jetty Aug 24, 2025, 5:10 AM

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opaque falcon <@703180970567925792> I have the muting part working perfectly but I just don't ...

ABC should be imported from abc which should be a built-in package, no?

opaque falcon Aug 24, 2025, 12:39 PM

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Oh I had no idea

opaque falcon Aug 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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Wait. I have a crazy idea. What if we set up Evil to be a scammer and Neuro was scambaiting/trolling evil? Neuro wouldn't even realize it would be Evil either since it's not like she can recognize based on the voice anyways. Chat would go WILD

opaque falcon Aug 25, 2025, 10:55 PM

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Native API integration is semi-working

opaque falcon Aug 25, 2025, 11:18 PM

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yeah it all seems to work just with some weird quirks

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Like I am using manual command sending

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over the websocket

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and when it does "hangup" it just disconnects the bot which leaves the scammer sitting in the call with no audio 😂
Accidental but might keep that as a feature 💀

opaque falcon Aug 25, 2025, 11:41 PM

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Too big for discord but here is the log of what the AI model is doing

📎 message.txt

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I know I'm parsing in a dumb way but for now this works

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like if she says "join" just in her daily dialog it'll fuck everything up

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And when she muted it got added to the context and she said to chat "Okay, the call is now muted. This prevents the victim from hearing my responses and ensures a more n..."

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this is just a base ollama model though so ofc it doesn't sound like her

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I just need to differentiate the scammer from somebody like Vedal so she doesn't get confused

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When joining the call she said "I'm initiating a call to the target phone number. My objective is to establish a connection and begi..."

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And when she unmuted she said "Alright, I’ve just unmuted the outbound audio. Now I can respond directly to the victim. I’m going t..."

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Tony integration seems to be broken...

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opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 2:35 AM

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fixed

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 4:25 AM

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seems everything is fully working finally. I just need to finally implement the shutdown mechanisms and make the installer a little simpler to run

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 5:13 AM

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Okay it's a little scuffed because I am adding messages to the context about the action that was taken as if it was successful before the result comes back. Butttttttt surely it's fine cuz a failure is added to the context anyways glueless

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 5:39 AM

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Just accidently deleted all of the files. I don't have a backup... 😁 fml

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The code is lowkey kinda ass rn but I will fix it soon enough

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It should work

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it's running on hopes and prayers but I think it should work with a little tinkering

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 6:30 AM

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opaque falcon Native API integration is semi-working

are you trying to integrate gary into your code?

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:40 AM

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Tony

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:41 AM

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you shouldn't need to integrate tony

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you just need to use the neuro api package

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for tony all you need to do is start it in a terminal

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and then start scamsama

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:43 AM

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I lowkey mighta implemented the api myself by accident

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:44 AM

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...

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I'll go take a look at the code later

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:44 AM

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I didn't use the package

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:44 AM

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well the thing is

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tony is supposed to act as a server, not as a client

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or in neuro api terms, tony is trying to be like neuro

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and not the program that connects to neuro

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so tony's api won't have anything to do with registering actions to another server

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM

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ohh

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM

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because tony is supposed to be the server

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM

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well isn't that what we want

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM

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that's why there's a package called neuro_api even tho tony is there

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM

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the game registers the commands that neuro can use

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tony acts like Neuro so that's good no?

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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opaque falcon well isn't that what we want

vedal has his own copy of the neuro api server, so you shouldn't need to integrate tony into your code

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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Tony isn't in the code really

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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actually wait we might not even be on the same page

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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My code just binds to ws://localhost:8000

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and Neuro acts as the server

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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oh, then that's good

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you're not really integrating tony then

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:46 AM

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I figured... phew

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yeah nah Tony I didn't even touch

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just stock config

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:47 AM

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wait

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:47 AM

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Tony isn't even in the repo

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just used for testing

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:47 AM

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so you implemented the api... yourself?

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:48 AM

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I mean it was easy lol

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just a websocket with a schema

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:48 AM

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:48 AM

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had to read the spec

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took 6 hours but wtv

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:48 AM

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yea but the point of me using the api lib was because it was easier to do that way

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oh well

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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I mean it works SMILE

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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if it works, it works

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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at least on my machine 😬

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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tho when api v2 drops get ready to have to change some stuff

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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I haven't fully stress tested it in different environments

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:50 AM

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trail jetty tho when api v2 drops get ready to have to change some stuff

😁 🔫

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Surely that's in a longggg time

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like a year later

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The code was 950 lines at one point but I removed a lot of clutter and it's only like 650 or sumthin now

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kinda forgot the API existed

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I mean at least I understand it better now

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:52 AM

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opaque falcon like a year later

eh probably

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:52 AM

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tbh I doubt my code works rn

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cuz I deleted all my files by accidnet

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and I kinda just guessed what things were

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like I know for a fact that requirements.txt is completely broken and state.py is 90% probably broken too

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I'll fix it up soon and maybe record a demo video somehow

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Might play with an ollama model and some random crapy TTS and whisper to get a PoC and gain some more interest in the thread

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:54 AM

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hmm

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:54 AM

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I can edit some 60 second clip that we can share around the server

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:54 AM

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opaque falcon tbh I doubt my code works rn

btw this is why I use the library for my code

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I know for sure that:

I'm not sending ws messages incorrectly
if there's a problem it's 90% because I forgot to stringify my objects
it's battle tested

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Counterpoint:

I forgar
Was funny
Learned a bit
The API part works I think
I get better logs... probably

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THe logging is pretty sick actually

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 7:57 AM

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opaque falcon Counterpoint: 1. I forgar 2. Was funny 3. Learned a bit 4. The API part works I ...

I'm like 90% sure you could log pretty easily anyways

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also tony can log the networking parts quite easily

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 7:57 AM

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tony's logs were pretty limited iirc

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also it took AGES to figure out how to push things to context

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I mean it was a skill issue on my end

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like it was just a little confusing even after reading the spec

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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opaque falcon tony's logs were pretty limited iirc

I'm assuming you didn't set logging mode to debug level?

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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I did

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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I thought you said you were using stock settings tho?

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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Well also tbf my program was doign a lot more

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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trail jetty I thought you said you were using stock settings tho?

I mean that's BASICALLY stock

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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stock settings by default only logs info level

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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yeah it was on info

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but I changed to debug

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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huh

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:00 AM

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cuz context sending was being annoying

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:01 AM

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I mean honestly SDK-level debugging isn't that bad of an idea

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I'll toy with it for JS/TS SDK at least

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though that will not be for a little bit since today's neuropilot stream was, uh, not perfect?

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:03 AM

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It was quite the stream 😂

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:03 AM

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yea

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:03 AM

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Also aren't you involved in basically every neuro project here 💀 ?

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:04 AM

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opaque falcon Also aren't you involved in basically every neuro project here 💀 ?

I watch all of them

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:04 AM

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Must be entertaining watching me struggle with the most simple things 😂

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:04 AM

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watching the development and progress is always interesting

trail jetty Aug 26, 2025, 8:04 AM

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opaque falcon Must be entertaining watching me struggle with the most simple things 😂

im ngl, and dont take this the wrong way, but it actually kind of was

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though I was like that when I first started and there was no python sdk

opaque falcon Aug 26, 2025, 8:05 AM

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I enjoyed it too dw

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I mean it was a little confusing at first since I didn't understand what the SDK was meant for at first

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and I only first heard about neurosama a few months ago

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Okay I am back 😂

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I honestly don't remember too well where I left off

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but I think it was working

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woah bluecat made a PR

Thank you @misty surge (Also super cool repo you made!) I will review it rn

misty surge Sep 7, 2025, 12:58 AM

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huh?

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that's not me

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my github is blueturbo47

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 12:59 AM

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oh 💀 CoolCat

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too many cats 💀 💀 💀

misty surge Sep 7, 2025, 1:00 AM

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yeah I haven't actually uploaded much code to github in a while

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:00 AM

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how did he even find my repo hahaha

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he isn't in this thread I don't think unless bros been lurkin

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:00 AM

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misty surge yeah I haven't actually uploaded much code to github in a while

you should! It's fun

misty surge Sep 7, 2025, 1:01 AM

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I have plans on making an archipelago for a game once the actual modding api for it comes out, but it'll probably be a bit

misty surge Sep 7, 2025, 1:02 AM

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opaque falcon you should! It's fun

they're @devout quarry
it looks like they went to another github repo for an update aswell

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:03 AM

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That's amazing

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cuz I really didn't feel like learning the whole NeuroAPI...

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but I implemented it myselfd

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but the Python API is 999% better than my "implementation"

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:22 AM

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@devout quarry I reviewed the PR

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thanks for submitting it

devout quarry Sep 7, 2025, 1:29 AM

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@opaque falcon Just make responses for your review comments

devout quarry Sep 7, 2025, 1:31 AM

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opaque falcon how did he even find my repo hahaha

Found it from KTrain interacting with your project previously

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:31 AM

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oh cuz you import voice somehwhere else I get it

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 1:31 AM

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devout quarry Found it from KTrain interacting with your project previously

that'd make sense

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 2:34 AM

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@devout quarry How are you intending the user to provide the credentials to twilio and discord api?

trail jetty Sep 7, 2025, 2:50 AM

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devout quarry Found it from KTrain interacting with your project previously

have you been looking at my github, filtering by python repos and seeing if they use your library? 😆

fair enough though considering you did push a breaking update (I forgot to check back for updates lol)

devout quarry Sep 7, 2025, 3:49 AM

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opaque falcon <@344282497103691777> How are you intending the user to provide the credentials ...

Still reads from .env, but could add CLI arguments for a credentials file or something?

opaque falcon Sep 7, 2025, 5:00 AM

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trail jetty have you been looking at my github, filtering by python repos and seeing if they...

That's next level 😂

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That explains the absolute versioning commit

devout quarry Sep 10, 2025, 10:17 PM

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Hopefully added fix in my pull request for multiple instances running at once issue

opaque falcon Sep 10, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Sweet! I'll test when I get back home. I'll see about pushing a test suite as well

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Thanks!

devout quarry Sep 10, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Using new neuro_api.server module from recently released v2.1.0 might be helpful, but could also just do mocks for the write_websocket or whatever it was

opaque falcon Sep 12, 2025, 8:26 PM

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Still experiencing some very strange behavior

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The code is failing to detect the discord token despite being in the .env file...

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and ngrok occasionally just doesn't load...

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trying to pinpoint the problem but it's tricky

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because it isn't acting deterministically. Each run has a different error when nothing is changed

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Error: Discord Bot Token Not Set. Please set DISCORD_BOT_TOKEN.

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Meanwhile it is 100% inside the .env file

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however, perhaps since code directories have shifted the program looks for .env in the local directory which works for launcher.py but not inside src/neuro_sama

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still wouldn't explain the random NGROK errors tho

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Tony may have worked though:

[16:22:09] [Info] Running version 1.6.2
[16:22:09] [Info] Starting websocket server on ws://localhost:8000.
[16:35:09] [Info] Started game "ScamSama"
[16:35:09] [Warning] Action schema is null: mute
[16:35:09] [Warning] Action schema is null: unmute
[16:35:09] [Warning] Action schema is null: join
[16:35:09] [Warning] Action schema is null: hangup
[16:35:09] [Info] Actions registered: mute, unmute, join, hangup

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Not sure why the schema is null though

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It was indeed the .env directory problem btw

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the NGROK, null schema, and now a twilio error is still unaccounted for though

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HTTP Error Your request was:

GET /Accounts/REDACTED/Calls/-1.json

Twilio returned the following information:

Unable to fetch record: The requested resource /2010-04-01/Accounts/REDACTED/Calls/-1.json was not found

More information may be available here:

https://www.twilio.com/docs/errors/20404

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/anon/lab/ScamSama/src/scam_sama/discord_bot.py", line 487, in monitor_call_status
    call = twilio_client.calls(state.call_sid).fetch()
  File "/home/anon/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/twilio/rest/api/v2010/account/call/__init__.py", line 407, in fetch
    payload = self._version.fetch(method="GET", uri=self._uri, headers=headers)
  File "/home/anon/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/twilio/base/version.py", line 141, in fetch
    return self._parse_fetch(method, uri, response)
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/home/anon/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/twilio/base/version.py", line 112, in _parse_fetch
    raise self.exception(method, uri, response, "Unable to fetch record")
twilio.base.exceptions.TwilioRestException: 
HTTP Error Your request was:

GET /Accounts/REDACTED/Calls/-1.json

Twilio returned the following information:

Unable to fetch record: The requested resource /2010-04-01/Accounts/REDACTED/Calls/-1.json was not found

More information may be available here:

https://www.twilio.com/docs/errors/REDACTED

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Twilio error

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Not sure why I am getting 404. I assume you didn't touch the twilio code

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it's accessing the API in an incorrect way that differs from my original implementation

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I'm thinking the NGROK error is a race condition since I've encounter it before

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and it isn't fully reproducible or deterministic

trail jetty Sep 13, 2025, 1:58 AM

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hmm

opaque falcon Oct 20, 2025, 12:18 PM

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Sorry for inactivity. Uni life gets in the way quite a bit. I'll push some updates today and hopefully get this fully fleshed out. After that, it'll be mostly "Get Vedal to notice this" kind of thing

trail jetty Oct 20, 2025, 12:22 PM

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opaque falcon Sorry for inactivity. Uni life gets in the way quite a bit. I'll push some updat...

Getting Vedal to notice this is the GGs part, unfortunately

opaque falcon Oct 20, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Damn 😭

trail jetty Oct 20, 2025, 12:25 PM

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#1350968830230396938 took months for noticing I think, and even longer for actually being featured on stream
this is for something that doesn't necessarily require tons of configuration and safeguards to get going btw (we already have our own safeguards)

opaque falcon Oct 20, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Well, do you have any suggestions on what we can do with it then?

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Maybe starting smaller scale

trail jetty Oct 20, 2025, 12:28 PM

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Not really. best you can do is make some attention in the general community and keep working on it.

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which both spreads awareness and meaningfully bumps your project thread

opaque falcon Oct 21, 2025, 1:23 PM

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Hm yeah. I'll work on that

opaque falcon Oct 24, 2025, 12:47 AM

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I am thinking that making a community video could be a great usecase for this project. It's unlikely it will be used on stream but we can record a video of it and potentially work with community animators to get a video out. We can post the github link in the description as well to get more developers on it and more attention. I don't think it's impossible to have vedal react to it if an animation is out. And even if he doesn't, at least we can have something to show for our efforts

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The code already works fine except for some very rare race conditions

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so it is more than good enough for a video. As the video is being worked on, more bug fixes can be made

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If anybody is an artist/animator and wants to get involved, I highly encourage it

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as well as software devs as well!

tranquil plank Oct 24, 2025, 4:37 PM

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opaque falcon If anybody is an artist/animator and wants to get involved, I highly encourage i...

I'm not an animator but you could try adding "Looking for artists" at the beginning of your title and bump the thread occasionally. Could maybe also try asking in #artist-alley if anyone wants to contribute occasionally

opaque falcon Oct 24, 2025, 4:39 PM

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That's a good idea

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opaque falcon Nov 14, 2025, 7:01 AM

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Yeah it's hard to keep active here if the project has basically already been finished 😭

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We could make some art for it but I am not an artist so it's a bit tricky

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I guess we could actually make a video ourselves to maybe get the idea out there? I don't know if Vedal would care if we used the Neuro voice in a fan-made video that we could post

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I mean it is just Ashley's (Azure TTS) voice pitched up so...

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and if we specify that it is a fan-clip, he'd probably even appreciate it

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So if by some crazy chance that you 🫵 are an artist and would be interested in making a fan-video then PLEASE ping me and we can actually make something that the public can digest

true glacier Nov 15, 2025, 1:22 AM

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you could ask in #1337655911493144658 , they might have some artists

trail jetty Nov 15, 2025, 1:23 AM

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true glacier you could ask in <#1337655911493144658> , they might have some artists

:AINTNOWAY:

opaque falcon Jan 5, 2026, 6:36 AM

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Hello! I am still alive 🫠

The code is fully completed for this project! However that doesn't mean we are done! We need to showcase our work!

I am thinking we could try to make a video of this with a Neuro voice (With a disclaimer that this is not actually neuro) and a base LLM just to be a proof of concept. Once we have the video we could try to get clipper channels to cover it to get some attention with it and then Vedal could see about using our integration

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Beats just sitting in silence

true glacier Jan 5, 2026, 7:24 AM

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https://ptb.discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1419178538816376852

opaque falcon Jan 5, 2026, 7:24 AM

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Oh perfect

true glacier Jan 5, 2026, 7:32 AM

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for the record, atm that thread is about one fan made news website and a couple of fan news youtube channels.

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