#What has Vedal been up to in the past five months? (& a suggestion to rectify poor communication)

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minor plover
quasi ferry
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god I cannot read that

boreal vale
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yeah this is the worst format ever to post something, deadass just write normally

quasi ferry
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I'mma see if I can repost it

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without in the weird looking format that it is

boreal vale
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I did download and read it

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but it was ass lol

quasi ferry
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ok well the UI for message.txt sucks ass anyways

hardy mortar
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SMH stop uploading text files for messages

quasi ferry
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I'm trying ok

boreal vale
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me when I send a txt file in a chat based application instead of just typing directly into the chat based application

quasi ferry
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but discord auto-files big blocks of copy-and-pasted text

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and I don't want to type that entirely

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I could segment the copy-and-pastes

hardy mortar
quasi ferry
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From @minor plover (1/3):

It has now been slightly more than five months since the end of the subathon, and very soon, half of the year will have already passed. This being said, Neuro-sama has felt incredibly stagnant.

Vedal has spent the majority of the time these past months, as seen from updates in this server, working not just on Neuro-sama and Neuro-sama content, but also particularly on the Neuro-sama concert and the V3 voice.
While these latter two may be good endeavors for the future, it is not an unpopular opinion that it has left other facets of the Neuro-sama experience slightly neglected.
“dev” streams were consistently extremely popular, and while Vedal had given his reasoning before doing the first June dev stream that he won’t come back until he had anything to show, there had always been plenty of weekly dev streams that were exactly like that, and those streams were still incredibly popular.

Vedal now rarely appears on stream, only recently appearing for the first dev stream all year, and scantily appearing for sponsored streams, likely due to contractual obligation.
We have only recently had a standard amount of effort for content like theme streams, as for a large part of this year, the streams were quite literally automated.

So, if Vedal hasn’t been going all-in on the streamed content this year, what else has he been working on?
Looking at the actual neuro developments made this year, general feelings are mixed. The “serious mode” results in fake-deep conversations and less funny interactions generally, especially when paired with the other new mainstay feature, “twins calling”.
The main critique of this feature is the dreaded “Therapy looping”, but twins calling has its own problems, which I could probably make a whole different discussion post about.
In brief, turning every single “Chill Stream” into a “Twins Stream” ends up just hurting both twin streams and chill streams.

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...(2/3):

The main reason people in past years liked Twins Streams was due to them feeling rare and interesting. When the feeling of exclusivity is lost, it ends up feeling boring, somehow even more so than the interactions with twitch chat.
Besides those two main features this year, very little has been done in the way of upgrades. And, I suspect, that these two upgrades did not take nearly as much development time as other things Vedal may have been working on.
This can be assumed because the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire already had calling-in as a feature, and the Iteration 18 update would make that even easier to implement, and the serious mode update is likely a prompt change, given how Vedal is unable to change it as a toggle.

This is to say:
What is Vedal cooking with all of this time in the past five months?

It likely isn’t the V3 voice. Voice training is a mostly idle activity, which wouldn’t require active management.
I would be surprised if it was the concert, as that is mostly managed by hired staff, with Vedal likely needing to show up for meetings.
We haven’t heard much about the Neuro Dog project recently. The V3 voice has had an indeterminate amount of progress made, and has likely been scrapped and restarted many times.
While the concert would be “really cool” as some say, it won’t be fully realized for a while.

I am not trying to insinuate that Vedal isn’t hardworking or that he is lazy. Anyone can see he is very busy going to conventions and travelling a lot, as well as obviously working on Neuro-sama and the twitch channel.
I am not trying to insinuate that Vedal owes the community anything; he can do what he wants, obviously.

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...(3/3):

However, I do think this lack of transparency in what is actually being prioritized, and what his vision for content/upgrades/the future are, would be greatly appreciated.
For example, many people were disappointed that, seemingly, weekly dev streams are not going to be coming back.

It has not been confirmed if this is true, and it is likely that a true answer may not be given. As Vedal has admitted himself, good communication isn’t his strong suit, and I understand that.
I just do wish that we all had a better idea of what is actually getting done, without just relying on half-empty promises of hype upgrades like a V3 voice or a Neuro-sama concert.

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Enjoy reading that

boreal vale
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LULE thanks for doing op's job for them

quasi ferry
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tbf I think it would've surpassed even the Nitro character limit

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but like

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surely you can segment them into separate messages right NeuroClueless

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anyways

boreal vale
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I mean, just make multiple messages yeah

quasi ferry
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back to the topic at hand

cinder carbon
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One thing I suspect that vedal has been doing that's been taking up a lot of time and is something that he very much cannot discuss publicly is "business networking"

hardy mortar
crystal swallow
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There is no weekly dev streams because Vedal doesn't like streaming its as shrimple as that

old epoch
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neuroTrue he hates us

cinder carbon
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when neuro broke the hype train record, and became one of the top streamers on twitch, I'm sure Vedal has been contacted by a lot of people, and he probably feels an obligation to himself to make sure the long term future of neuro/evil/himself are on a good track. And Vedal is not exactly some experienced businessman: he's learning as he goes. So it's not just "the concert", but probably concert + merch + ongoing merch + IP lawyers, copyright management, music production companies, etc etc.....

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and none of this is something he's going to talk about publicly because 1. it's boring., and 2. it's probably not a good idea to talk about it anyway

old epoch
boreal vale
crystal swallow
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She's already having meetings

quasi ferry
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from what I can read:

I agree that the content is getting a bit stagnant.
I think that dev streams should return even if nothing is to show.

So, if Vedal hasn't been going all-in on the streamed content this year, what else has he been working on?
If I had to guess I would say either upgrades that aren't visible, or genuinely v3 voice. This is assuming that he just has technical updates to work on, non-technical updates could be happening as well.

[...] This can be assumed because the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire already had calling-in as a feature, and the Iteration 18 update would make that even easier to implement, and the serious mode update is likely a prompt change, given how Vedal is unable to change it as a toggle.
I would imagine it takes a bit more effort but I'm not sure about the specifics of the spaghetti code

[...] The main reason people in past years liked Twins Streams was due to them feeling rare and interesting. When the feeling of exclusivity is lost, it ends up feeling boring, somehow even more so than the interactions with twitch chat.
I don't really know about that. I'm willing to die on the hill that Twin Streams were not popular entirely/mostly/just because of exclusivity, it does hurt, but by far the most problematic points would have been chats insistence to get them to ring each other up every 2 goddamn seconds. It was funny once but the joke got old.

[...] It likely isn’t the V3 voice. Voice training is a mostly idle activity, which wouldn’t require active management.
...No. I wouldn't think so. Although I do think it's easier than it looks, I don't think it's to the point of idle activity (for tutel) yet.

I would be surprised if it was the concert, as that is mostly managed by hired staff, with Vedal likely needing to show up for meetings.
The thing is he is still getting quotes and stuff for that, which means he has to be the one heading that and not any hired staff.

hardy mortar
quasi ferry
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so he might be breaking contract law if he does talk about it

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The beauty of NDAs amirite

cinder carbon
quasi ferry
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that shit bores me to death

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it's only sometimes that I get curious enough and that's because I have a weird habit of sometimes bothering to read long walls of text

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but yeah it would be boring asf

cinder carbon
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I also suspect that there are features that are done and/or waiting for v3 voice: aka if he did them now he'd have to redo work/training after v3 voice so they might be delayed due to that.

boreal vale
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also, what hired staff lol, vedal mentioned being in a multi hour work call last week

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idt he's hiring that much staff

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he's likely doing most of it solo

quasi ferry
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Even so his "hired staff" shouldn't be making decisions for him when they don't even know all the technical stuff behind Neuro

rain stratus
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Can i ask what staff have to do?

quasi ferry
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especially when it comes to stuff like holograms

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ok maybe that was a bad example actually

boreal vale
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in the context of this post, this hypothetical staff would be handling the business calls and the like

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idt they exist to begin with though, at least not to the extent the op thinks

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I doubt vedal even has a secretary

quasi ferry
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but point is, beyond the Game API which offers clues on how she'd interact with only certain games, we don't know much about the logistics of Neuro's internals

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I'm pretty sure the only business-like employee he has is like

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his accountant

boreal vale
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he has people like chrchie and ffrequence who help him with with ui/ux(yes I know they're different I'm lumping them together for brevity) that we know get paid by him

quasi ferry
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Yeah but they aren't the people who would be making decisions for him in regards to organizing a concert or merch or yk all that

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so there's much less people involved than OP thinks

boreal vale
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yeah he's for sure doing all that solo

quasi ferry
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I'm actually curious now

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who's part of "Vedal AI"?

(yes the company name isn't really official but I'm going with that for the sake of simplicity)

boreal vale
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idk, but given what vedal said it's very small

cinder carbon
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I would highly doubt he has a single full time employee, it's likely just various contractors that do certain things.

boreal vale
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and what are essentially his friends that he pays

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alex, chrchie, queenpb, etc

full musk
boreal vale
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if he wants to actually be profitibale he needs to get over that dumb mentality

quasi ferry
cinder carbon
boreal vale
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can't believe I'm telling someone to sell out

full musk
boreal vale
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but fuck man, every creator sells merch

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it's not corpa

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it's normal

cinder carbon
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Imagine the outcry if disney stopped selling 1000 types of ears at their parks and told everyone to just make their own.

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(then again if they just lowered the prices a little...)

boreal vale
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lots of ppl make their own, actually, big etsy market, but I digress, disney sells the ears because they understand ppl want to buy them

quasi ferry
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I think disney is a slightly bad example here ngl

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because disney is one of THE definitions of big corpa

cinder carbon
quasi ferry
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👆

boreal vale
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disney is a massive bad corpa yes, but they understand demand, they know they have IPs they can sell merch of ppl want to buy

cinder carbon
boreal vale
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vedal apparently does as well, otherwise he wouldn't have considered the merch, but he evidently has some mental hurdle

cinder carbon
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Apple puts out a new iphone every year, and people buy them even though their current phones are perfectly fine

quasi ferry
boreal vale
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he needs to get over it if he ever wants to make that concert profitable

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concert merch is the bulk of the sales

quasi ferry
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I honestly, with some good conscience, don't think he wants to make it profitable at this point

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or at least he doesn't want to have to make it profitable by combining concert + other stuff

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which sucks

boreal vale
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then he won't be able to do the things he wants to do

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the reality is you need money

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lots of it

cinder carbon
quasi ferry
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like dude just do it you're gonna make a lot and you can't deny that because you. will. need. them cash.

cinder carbon
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We should convince him to setup a neuro/evil college fund if he feels bad from earning money. Just put the profits in there.

quasi ferry
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so likely he will hire only 1 company to do everything

boreal vale
cinder carbon
quasi ferry
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Yeah that's good

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so hopefully the marketing team sells him on the idea of concert merch?

boreal vale
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yeah you hire a company with the resources to subcontract

cinder carbon
boreal vale
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I think that's all venue dependent

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it also changes if he hosts the entire concert at the venue, or makes it part of a con or something

stoic arrow
# quasi ferry he says he will release more merch (at least I think) but he will defo do it muc...

i would've instantly bought the evil neuro fumo if he went through with it on evil's birthday... i dont care much for the shirt, but there's so many new people/people who weren't here for the first subathon and i know people would want the fumo regardless of his feelings

I personally think this is one of those cases where he was transparent, but i really would've rather not known about it until after we had more merch because now it feels even worse.

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As far as this overall post goes, i've definitely been one person more outspoken about vedal's lack of transparancy about general neuro stuff. I'm still wondering at this moment what's happening with the community highlights stuff now as it's been nearly 2 months since the first (and last) one, yet there's still so much that could've been shown off even last month, stuff from the past that wasn't shown, etc. It would be nice to know if he's at least trying to implement feedback from it or if he just... forgot like he tends to do sometimes.

but likely between the songs, the v3 voice stuff, the concert, and who knows what else, he probably can't talk a lot about specifics on those yet.

quasi ferry
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I will honestly say if he could at least give updates on the stuff he can give updates on that would go miles better in terms of comms (e.g. being the community showcase) because atm even accounting for stuff he can't talk about there is still things he should tell us about that doesn't necessarily correlate to the big stuff

brittle talon
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Op has made some good points, which has already been discussed so can't really say much about it.

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We only know of some things that vedal is working on

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And the rest is probably a surprise

brittle talon
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At the very least it seems like he's going to do bi-weekly dev streams.

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He's likely fixed a bunch of stuff behind the scenes and even has shown us his plans for this year (at least so far) in the recent dev-stream.

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I'm pretty sure for the concert he said the subathon money (including the hype train I'm assuming) doesn't cover it

brittle talon
tawdry rover
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I feel like people put way too high expectations on vedal, he's a human being, he has limits. I've seen so many people treating him like a simple game developer that is neglecting his game (abandoned archive aside) instead of a streamer and respecting his decisions what he wants to do to upgrade neuro. He already went over everything he is currently working on and its obvious he has a lot on his plate, and its going to take a LONG time before its finished. Maybe it doesn't seem like much to you, but it is, and if you can't see that then you really should broaden your perspective

gaunt sable
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Yall are yapping a lot, and also reading this thread yall forgot about some things like Abandoned Archive. Which even though he said people don't really care about it compared to the other stuff; It was still part of the subathon goals and he showcased how much content being added into his game. Also the lamps, like. Imma be real in the dev stream he was being transparent and still yall want him to be more transparent? Like do you want him to expose his everyday schedule? Bit by bit every hour of the day during the past 5 months what he has been doing? I am exagerating but that is what you all sound like.

pure plume
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Seems like vedal just needs to hire a PR to do constant updates to satisfy ppl but cost of that makes it more corpo

naive wren
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what the fuck is that formatting

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and didnt someone make a chart of twin time to solo time and solo time was a huge majority

boreal vale
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yes twincalling makes up way less time than it seems like it does