Add a Queue Counter UI/UX Element to the Stream Overlay

[rich spruce]

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I saw how many messages were in the queue while I was typing out my message, I would not have sent one in. It might also deter others and prevent the queue from being overloaded.

[paper pewter]

yeah having an actual number on stream would help, typing queue in chat is useless

[tiny ice]

Especially with how fast the chat scrolls.

[rich spruce]

could also be an indicator for if the queue is even enabled

something like this in the corner somewhere (140 is the number of messages in queue), or you could even incorporate it into a screen or something in the scene
left is queue open, right is queue closed

sorry if you have dark mode

[lethal glade]

I understand the point but I feel like the swarm will see that and just say number go up

[tiny spire]

there should be a cap at a time, like the counter should go down to zero before counting up again

[paper pewter]

that's fine, the point is to have the number visible

vedal could set it up to disable if it hits a certain number as well

[dense surge]

yeah i agree with there being counter on the screen somewhere since the pinned messages was also rolled for me so it took me a while after it was posted to notice the first one

chat was moving too fast to even see the queue and i had to relay on discord live strema chat to notice how many messages were even there

[lament zinc]

definitely second this, I know doug has it and it seems to work pretty well

[paper pewter]

yeah doug's works great, and that's who teletric got his concept he drew from

the silence indicator is also very helpful

it would get a lot of use especially here since they can't read tts during twin call

collabs too

an easy way to indicates "hey they won't read your messages anyway so don't bother sending them rn"

[fervent dew]

This makes sense yeah. Could even have the amount of messages work with the theme too, like for this one it's be "Customers in Line: 120" or something like that

[rich spruce]

would have been perfect here, it's the screen for the drive-thru

[formal burrow]

Wonder if a it would be feasible for someone(or vedal) to create a script that automatically disables or pings mods and vedal to disable priority msg's once certain conditions are met(X total amount of Priority msg's, X amount of priority msg's on queue, X priority msg's per X hours left of stream, etc)

[exotic forge]

you could disable the channel point highlighted message quite easily with a simple api call but you cant really stop people from sending bits

[formal burrow]

Technically you could change the minimum bits you can send to 100k to semi disable bits XD

[paper pewter]

I mean the solution is just to prevent them from showing up on stream and prevent the twins from responding but only vedal can do that

anyway that's not the point of the thread

it's to add a counter that shows people the current number of messages

it conveys information easily and as it gets higher it discourages people since it becomes clear their message won't go through by the end of the stream

[young linden]

good idea because the queue bot literally broke that stream

[rich spruce]

Add a Queue Counter UI Element to the Stream

Add a Queue Counter UX Element to the Stream Overlay

changed title because it felt applicable to more than just themed streams — basically any event where queue volume might be high.
though it did stem from the Fast Food stream

[paper pewter]

it should be on every stream quite frankly

people still send highlights/bits during collabs for some reason

the mute indicator would really help with those

[verbal nova]

Maybe it should only appear on stream automatically after a certain threshold (maybe 50 messages?) has been reached to really emphasize “alright guys, calm down with the priority messages a little” when it appears since the queue counter wouldn’t really be necessary at low values.

The number could also get slowly more red or something as it goes up

[rich spruce]

i wish we could get some insight from vedal on this

on like the feasibility of this happening

[paper pewter]

it's just an obs element it can't be that hard

[rich spruce]

it was initially suggested to have it on the stream but he went with the !queue command instead iirc. hoping he will reconsider

[paper pewter]

much worse option

especially with how fast his chat is

[buoyant sky]

Assuming that the counter is updated live from his computer I honestly think it would've been easier to wire it up to OBS

wait no it isn't I'm stupid

but either way isn't it easier to put on OBS than on a commands bot running on his account?

[paper pewter]

not by much, but the point is the current method is useless

[buoyant sky]

Yeah so it's more worth to have it display on stream

[paper pewter]

typing !queue in a chat of around 10k+ viewers to see the queue is so bad

it would require a bit more effort to set it all up sure but it's more worth it in the end because people can just look at the stream

if DougDoug can do it vedal can do it

[hollow garden]

+1 good idea

[forest heath]

I means, it's not vedal fault if people can't have basic logic

[paper pewter]

true, but I think having a clear visual indicator would help

[rich spruce]

can't wait for queue counter on stream this afternoon

[finite horizon]

Mission failed we'll get em next time

[rich spruce]

next stream surely

[paper pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[rich spruce]

we need to see this before we send priority messages

[royal canopy]

there is !queue command which will show the queue, idk how you dont know about it

[paper pewter]

yeah and it's ass

literally the worst option possible

[royal canopy]

but it shows the queue just like teletric wanted

[paper pewter]

you gotta be baiting

[royal canopy]

lol ok

i meant as in the chat before he sends bits or whatever which he can do

[paper pewter]

the entire point of this thread is that the current queue sytem sucks

like it's not about it being there at all

having to manually type !queue in a stream chat that reguarly gets 8k+ viewers is a terrible system and making a visual indicator would simply be better

[buoyant sky]

*regularly gets 8k+ viewers and filled with infinite amounts of chatspam

[paper pewter]

it'd be a terrible system without the spam too

having to type it period is bad

the only way I could see it being justifiable is a 100 viewer max stream

any higher than that get a damn visual one

[rich spruce]

#1385338257344167996 message

[fervent dew]

bro... it's literally right above your comment...

[royal canopy]

ye i realised today that i miss understood it i thought he didnt know about the command and he thought queue message gets sent only when bits/points get used

[grizzled pasture]

What if there was a little 📫 in the corner with the queue count on it? Then it'll be like we're sending her little letters when we do highlights I think it'd be cute

[paper pewter]

and then we can send messages like "this mail is a pipebomb"

[buoyant sky]

and make it play the "you've got mail" soundbyte when she opens one or smth

actually scratch that just make the visual & context to Neuro look and sound like mail as well, we can truly get the mail experience

could also be like <username>@<method of sending prio messages> to replicate email but that'd be confusing to someone new so uh snail mail with the red notification dot™ would be better

[rich spruce]

he's gonna program this on devstream tomorrow trust me guys

[paper pewter]

he can do it in the greggs fit

[buoyant sky]

"hello I am currently programming a mail system at greggs"

[grizzled pasture]

let neuro program it herself with that VS Code extension someone made

[mystic gate]

Just have the cost of a highlighted message be dynamic based on the existing queue length.

[paper pewter]

I think that would actually be the hardest to create

you'd need a way to read the queue length and also give whatever is doing it access to the bit donation amount which is like, streamer level perms

[grizzled pasture]

really I thought that would be handled on vedal's end? There's no difference in chat if you give more than 500bits or not is there?

and like there was that bug for ages where you could actually donate 400 bits and it'll still get highlighted that doesn't sound like a twitch bug

[paper pewter]

the minimum number is 500 yes, what quark is proposing is a system that actively raises the amount the larger the queue gets

which like, vedal could do manually, but idt he would want to, and automating it would be a huge pain

[grizzled pasture]

err ok I may have misunderstood what you wrote

Also wait that's not really what this thread is about anyway though I guess you would need some kind of on-screen indication first before you could even do that

[paper pewter]

yeah uh not really relevant to the topic anyway

[buoyant sky]

shamelessly plugging it here #1350968830230396938

[buoyant sky]

I'm actually quite surprised that bit donation amounts are set to streamer level perms with whatever program he's using for it. Then again I guess you wouldn't want your mods to scam people so checks out I guess

actually is there a program that does such a thing?

interoperability isn't really something most user-friendly programs are known for, which are like most of the programs like streamlabs or whatever

[paper pewter]

the program is just twitch's creator dashboard I'm pretty sure

[mystic gate]

My suggestion wasn't really serious but I would be curious to see what happens if you literally try and min max donations vs revenue vs time

[rich spruce]

velda pls

[buoyant sky]

also just noticed, why is the post title using UX? Wouldn't it be more like UI?

[rich spruce]

it's both

UX = User experience, the current queue system does not offer the best experience, especially with larger queues

UI = the counter displayed on stream

[buoyant sky]

change the title to have UI/UX then ig

or like technically it would be either add UI element or change UX by adding UI element

or smth idfk

[rich spruce]

Add a Queue Counter UI/UX Element to the Stream Overlay

[rich spruce]

they aren't mutually exclusive

[buoyant sky]

🔥

[buoyant sky]

no they aren't, but you're not adding UX, you're tweaking UX

you're adding a UI element to change UX

why are we having a #programming debate in a discussion forum

[rich spruce]

I didnt think it was a debate

[buoyant sky]

generally it snowballs

but fair enough

[rich spruce]

anyway not like Vedal is going to suddenly take interest because I changed it to UI/UX

[buoyant sky]

for everyone, idt he really takes note of things that are feasible (can't blame the guy he's tryna' v3 voice rn so)

[rich spruce]

surely tomorrow

[paper pewter]

tomorrow will the the unnanounced dev stream where he makes it live

[rich spruce]

exactly

[buoyant sky]

bro i'm dying because of the amount of hopium/copium in here

[rich spruce]

eventually he will see this

[rich spruce]

bump

[indigo wind]

bump

[winged pond]

o this is good

[indigo wind]

unfortunately i could not bring vedals attention

[paper pewter]

damn it would have been really cool if we had such an indicator so people would know not to send highlighted messages when they won't be read

[buoyant sky]

how many people complained this dev stream...

[rich spruce]

mockup for what it could look like for chill streams

or it could be a mailbox

[ancient kindle]

sorry in advance for the huge message

I wanted to explain why I did need to be insulted earlier and why I didn't contradict my own opinion but you thought overwise. And that I didn't have a black or white opinion but rather gray. I can agree on some arguments, and disagree on both the current system and new proposed system. Anyway I won't send it(edit: the first part with all of that), instead i'll only send the part that is interesting (I hope?)

Now, you said the current system isn't practical since you can't see it in the chat. You can, it even mentions you. If the chat is moving fast, it's a different story, yes.

Now², Some people won't be sending tts if they see on screen the number is too high thinking the stream will end before it could be read, while it could really fast and their message could be read.
I feel not everyone worries too much about the queue when they send a tts.
I can't speak for everyone but some people might not send tts if they see the queue is over X messages. This can, (I don't see the future (just in case), it's hypothetical based on why people are using the "!queue" command), reduce the number of tts sent.

For people not using tts, it's not useful to have a big indicator on screen. Someone earlier mentioned the subathon timer, which is different in that regards imo. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe all my points are wrong. There no absolute truth, on the topic, it's only opinions.

The scene for when Neuro or Evil play a game leaves a lot of empty space on the right of the screen and it allows for a small queue indicator to be placed.

I just hate having something constantly flashing on my screen, it distracts me a lot. (Chat included but I don't want it to be removed as it express the mood of the chat and help feel a connection with people (laughing etc..)) I'm not really in for having an indicator on screen that distracts me (or other people too, I can't be the only one in thousands of people), so if an indicator is added, I'd like it to be small and not too distracting , as I already said, as it's not really useful for people simply watching the stream (not using tts or not using chat at all).

I don't think that's all my opinion on the topic but maybe it'll help in some way idk. I hope it clears a little some things and I won't be insulted for trying to think about it thx

I forgot:
The proposition Teletric did with the McNeuro's screen for example was good.

[paper pewter]

it doesn't need to be flashy, teletric uses dougdoug as his example, not only because he's a fan but because dougdoug's tts indication is really good, it doesn't take up too much on the screen yet is noticeable enough, the biggest advantage dougdoug's has though is its mute identifier, when dougdoug turns his highlights off for a collab or because he feels he needs to focus on something, the indicator switches to mute mode making it clear to everyone that the highlights will not be noticed or read on stream

The mute feature alone is a great reason to implement it, there are so many times when people spend bits/points on a collab stream and get donowalled because the highlights are off the entire time essentially, the mute icon would help in visually saying "hey, highlights are off, don't send them"

Also yes, there will be people who go "oh tts is too high rn maybe I won't send a message this stream" and I think that's fine actually, it allows highlights to not direct the flow of stream as much if there's less

[ancient kindle]

I agree on the mute feature to be shown. Even with the current system, to indicate it in chat.
During collabs it seems logical to assume tts are mostly off.
And for doug, I never saw the queue indicator. Was it added recently? Because if not I never noticed so it would be ideal.

[paper pewter]

this is his chat indicator from the recent stream with the paused and on indicators, he never muted it this stream and I don't wanna fish through vods to find it, but the mute does exist

Anyway, paused means tts will not go through at all, not even show up on screen

so if you send one, you will have to wait until it is unpaused for it to actually show up

idt we need pause, mute should be good enough, so it is just here as an example

[ancient kindle]

Damn it wasn't (added recently). Yeah well, I never saw it.
If it's that subtle then ok

[grim loom]

soo, those would be the assets, it would be either ON (with the number of messages in queue) or OFF with a cross sign and saying "off"! :)

also added a circular progress bar between each highlighted messages (idk how possible that would be to implement but could be cool)

any other ideas are appreciated! :D

[rich spruce]

holy shit you COOKED

[blissful tulip]

Idea: the queue counter only appears for a few seconds after a new message is added or read

The counter being there all the time makes the stream feel more artificial for the lack of a better word

[rich spruce]

what about transparent

[blissful tulip]

Invisible is better imo

[rich spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[paper pewter]

I genuinely can't comprehend why someone wouldn't want a visual indicator instead of using the objectively bad typing !queue

like do you just want the stream to be worse?

like highlights are such an important part of the stream moreso than most streamers

[blissful tulip]

Its a good thing no one is saying there shouldn't be a visual indicator

[paper pewter]

so you just want it to be on when in use?

if so, that works I guess?

[blissful tulip]

Makes sense for the counter to show up only when it goes up or down

[paper pewter]

wouldn't that create an annoying pop up?

[rich spruce]

There might be situations where the queue is closed for new messages but she's still going through however many messages are still in the queue. So it would be cool if it waited until the messages in the queue were 0 before it said "off!"

[paper pewter]

as I see it, the entire point is that it's always on so you know if it's worth to send a highlight, what teletric proposed would be a good compromise I suppose

but I still think it should always be on

the muted one especially, there's so many people that send highlights during collabs for some reason and the mute hopefully stifles that somewhat since it indicates it literally can't be read

[grim loom]

ah yeah I see

uhhh

maybe combining the cross sign with the numbers still counting down could help?

[rich spruce]

Not really, the point is for this information to be visible. Also, it would be more distracting if it kept disappearing and reappearing all the time rather than a thing that's just kinda there. Think about how your eyes move to the notifications that pop up on screen when there's a new poll or title change, versus the lava lamp that is constantly there and doesn't draw your attention unless you decide to actively look at it.

[grim loom]

"the lava lamp that is constantly there and doesn't draw your attention unless you decide to actively look at it."

indeed, you didn't realize that there's a hidden message in there

[blissful tulip]

The queue will go up and down while visible so it will still be distracting

[paper pewter]

yeah and the lava lamp flows and changes color constantly

is that not distracting?

[blissful tulip]

Not really

It barely even changes color

[rich spruce]

not nearly as much as it would be if it was constantly vanishing and reappearing

could make the font color match the BG more if that would help

[mystic gate]

Clearly we need this to be indicated by the current curvature of their ahoge. The straighter it is, the longer the queue

when it goes straight vertical a little flag pops up that says "queue full!"

[paper pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[rich spruce]

the curvature is represented by the function f(x) = x², where you can find how many messages are in the queue by solving for x

[mystic gate]

Actually okay, in all seriousness, I think I can solve the "distracting" issue. Just have the queue counter as part of the existing "display message" ui that pops up. This is already something people will be actively reading, and if it never pops up then the queue is low anyway.

it would add 0.01% to the overall screen clutter

[paper pewter]

sure that works, if nothing pops up then just assume it's at 0

kinda feels like the mute still needs to be on screen though...

[mystic gate]

Well, except when highlighted messages are disabled, but when that's the case there SHOULD be some indication of that too IMO

[paper pewter]

I think it would really help people not send stuff

[buoyant sky]

mathematics

[rich spruce]

feels more warranted now with B2 priority messages

[buoyant sky]

wb them

[blissful mauve]

there will be more highlighted messages coming with b2 being able to send them too

so the queue will get longer quicker

[civic steeple]

i haven't looked at this thread for a while holy ffrequence the goat

[buoyant sky]

oh god

[rich spruce]

as a compromise, what about hosting it on https://vedal.ai/ ?

would be there when a stream is live, disabled when not

[indigo wind]

at this point why not make a twitch addon

like the swarm control

[rich spruce]

someone would probably still need the API key from vedal

[reef vigil]

Nothing from you guys huh

[buoyant sky]

what

[rich spruce]

Alex (think he made swarm control)

[buoyant sky]

I mean

swarm control is open-source...

[indigo wind]

Bump, please ved

[grizzled pasture]

200th comment!!! 🎉

[rich spruce]

we will surely get our wish now

[reef vigil]

Isn't !queue enough?

[buoyant sky]

see entire discussion thread

[reef vigil]

I read already

[buoyant sky]

well

!queue isn't enough

[reef vigil]

Nah it is.

[buoyant sky]

?

how can you read it in real time lmao

[reef vigil]

Repeat the command

[civic steeple]

if i remember correctly sometimes it's buffered so you can't do it quickly after it's already done

[reef vigil]

Are you going to check it before sending the message anyway, so why does it need to be in real time?

[civic steeple]

chat goes fast sometimes you lose the previous message, also why not have it in real time to remove the need to send the message

[reef vigil]

What you want isn’t even an indicator what you really want is for the messages to be shown as quickly as possible

[civic steeple]

i mean, I'd like to know what the status of the queue is so I know whether or not I'd like to add to it. And having an updating indicator that's easy to look at is better than constantly using !queue because I'm not mentally tracking the number

[grizzled pasture]

tbh since this thread was first made I've kinda changed my opinion on it. It's fun to treat neuro like a real streamer, and a queue counter constantly on stream might be a bit immersion breaking. Like a constant reminder that she's basically automated to answer our messages.

though if he did add it I would still rejoice, if only because we're starving for anything new on chill streams 💀

maybe that "interactable room" thing that vedal hinted at will have something that fills this purpose?

[buoyant sky]

other people have queue counters on screen though?

[buoyant sky]

???

[grizzled pasture]

yeah but they are real so they don't need any suspension of disbelief

[buoyant sky]

I think having a queue counter on screen makes her even more of a real streamer

though obviously with reasonable UI design, etc...

[paper pewter]

I don't really get this mentality, what immersion is being broken? it's a twitch stream

idk about you but I consider neuro a real streamer same as any other streamer the only difference is she's an ai

same with evil as well

like was I actually supposed to think I was in their room talking to them?

[reef vigil]

I got distracted easily so I don't want something moving or glowing on screen every 10 seconds

[buoyant sky]

the chat at the top left/right corner:

[reef vigil]

Exactly

[rich spruce]

doesn't have to be glowing or super flashy, could be transparent on the bottom somewhere

hell, did anyone even pay attention to the lava lamp color before we got the swarm sync lava lamp? always felt like it was kinda just there.
feels like the queue counter would basically just be like that for most people who don't send priority messages and useful for the people that do.

[reef vigil]

Well it's easy to ignore something next to Neuro/Evil since they draw more attention than anything else on screen

[mild sequoia]

...mmmm true

[civic steeple]

The evil ASMR stream reminded me of this, because the queue was always at like 30 - 50

[paper pewter]

mfw I have to type !queue to see if it's worth sending a message

[rich spruce]

vedal do you hate this suggestion