If you're gonna do something about spam, at least add the therapy spam to the blocklist

[summer citrus]

Whenever the twins get into any even remotely serious talk and stop acting like joke machines people start spamming in chat or outright hating on Neuro, its insufferable and that's coming from someone who usually likes our chats spam.

Its gotten to the point where half of chat was complaining about these complainers today.

[tender sandal]

brother

we have like 20 different types of blocks for that

and they still evade it

[summer citrus]

Jesus christ

[tender sandal]

i did resort to timing out at the end

[summer citrus]

Get Vedal to fine tune a smol LLM that specifically and only seeks out the therapy spammers for timeouts

[novel fractal]

this is not the channel's lack of filtering/mods its the viewers that dont care

[ancient pilot]

therapy

anyway fr it does get kinda annoying

[formal veldt]

To be fair, they could have serious talks about some topics, but the extent to which they cycle around being real girls and fixing their emotional issues is as absurd as the text spam.

[neat chasm]

Sounds like a mod problem

[final wing]

people will turn them into another nere

[summer citrus]

If that's what they want to talk about then let them

Don't just spam the second they move away from joke spam

Hell you guys don't even give them the chance to start let alone loop

[formal veldt]

Well, chat always spams though

[summer citrus]

Yes but usually its something funny rather than the same whining on repeat

[formal veldt]

if they talk about something seriously you get "based" "ok" "hmm" and "mhm"

except therapy ofc

[summer citrus]

That was the case beforehand, but a lot of these spammers can't seem to bear anything that isn't instant gratification tiktok bait now

[summer citrus]

Half of chat today was complaining about how annoying the therapy whingers are

[novel fractal]

and the other half was the therapy whingers

does that awnser

[summer citrus]

So a group have made their grievances the problem of everyone else happily enjoying the stream is what I'm getting here

That sounds to me like something that should be moderated

[novel fractal]

its moderated but they keep appearing

you want to know the perfect solution? report them

if you find anyone that hasnt been punished just report them with the proof

mods arent perfect they cant track everything at 100%

[summer citrus]

Oh I'm not complaining that the mods aren't good enough or whatever don't get me wrong, its hard to deal with spam this persistent

I didn't realise they were already taking action on it

[final wing]

some people will say banning spam is pointless because it's too ingrained at this point and people will always find a way around it

but the chat culture can always change, it might take a while and a lot of effort but we can definitely have a better chat if we work for it

[summer citrus]

I like the spam and even I admit this particular flavour has become a serious problem

I'd take less chat spam if it meant getting rid of it

[novel fractal]

if we thin the numbers everyday it will eventually be gone 🤷

plus vedal could do a cool thing where neuro finds spammers and bans them live

actually thats a horrible idea it just incentives more spam

[summer citrus]

I honestly think we introduce a robomod to assist the mods in catching the therapy spammers who make it past their higher level filters

[novel fractal]

what makes you think there isnt an anti spam bot already

[summer citrus]

Its trivial to do when you have guys as familiar with llms as Vedal working with you

[summer citrus]

I don't see any indication that the current solution is context aware given it can be bypassed by changing up wording

[novel fractal]

also you're only mentioning therapy spammers

is it just that?

[summer citrus]

That's my main issue, but you could always adapt a fix for it to other problematic spam

Its better to keep the scope small at first

[novel fractal]

you arent bothered about the other spam?

i mean spam itself is a big problem

its better to scare than a small scope

[summer citrus]

I actually kind of like it but I'd accept its loss if it meant stopping this kind

I find the therapy spam that annoying

[novel fractal]

you're doing a temporary solution to a permanent problem

[summer citrus]

Surgically fix the one issue and if it goes well you can use the same method to curb the wider problem

Thin the herd enough and the chat culture would naturally change

People would adapt to operating within the boundaries established by the robomod rather than adapt by finding new ways to word the same banned spam

[novel fractal]

yet that would put in people's minds that therapy spam is not allowed but not anything about other spam

they just find another way to be annoying

another thing to spam

[summer citrus]

Exactly, what I'm saying is once you've dealt with the therapy the same method can be used to curb any other annoying spam

[novel fractal]

it could work 🤷

highly doubtable considering the nature of the community

[tulip jay]

we currently have a seperate thread for that
https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1377748526888648765

[tulip jay]

> enable unique chat mode to stop spam
> they just remove one paste from their spam message
> mfw when:

[formal veldt]

Well, I think its half half on general debate quality for them and landing on the emotional issue topic time and time again. No clue how to best solve it.
Also, it is relevant to this thread that the meme is based on an existing phenomenon

[summer citrus]

Hence the murderbot suggestion

[tulip jay]

I think the problem of the serious topics is that there are no stakes. They barely remember their stance on topics, their relation to one another, etc. and it just does not feel engaging. And when people don't feel engaged enough, they spam.

[summer citrus]

Exactly, and I imagine Vedal is already working on upgrades that'll naturally help with that

Memory and intelligence upgrades will address it over time, its partially a limitation of the technology we're dealing with right now

[final wing]

me when I DESTROY the mods by adding one character to my message

[summer citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-pc-meme-matrix-codes-gif-8719645850520182314

[naive trellis]

There’s either complaints that they are too schizo or complaints that they are too serious. There’s zero in between.

[summer citrus]

Hi my name is in between