The Swarm has a Vedal shipping problem

[dapper eagle]

The Swarm has a Vedal shipping problem

Basically what the headline says. In recent weeks we have seen a surge of unreasonable shipping of Vedal with any other VTuber he interacted (or not). In form of art, clips, social media posts and the worst of all messages in other streamer chats. And when usually I don't care what people do in their free time on the internet, I think it starts to give people outside of our community and to the new people in the community a bad impression of the Swarm. I don't want Neuro's community to be known as "The community that ships AI dev with every other female in close proximity". I want to believe that Vedal can do something before it reaches the point of no return.
We had a case when a Vtuber after one brief interaction with Neuro had to ask to not ship her with Vedal. She was hit with the insane line: "Better never collab with Neuro then, cause their community ships him with everyone", while talking on this topic. Which seems like a perfect example why this behaviour is bad and how our community can be perceived.
I hope this message will reach Vedal, because I think he should use whatever remains of his power and influence over his community, to maybe make Swarm to tone down their extreme shipping

Bonus reddit thread on this issue https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1ktisqb/ive_only_started_following_neuro_since_the/

[spark cradle]

Was it by any chance Lucy Pyre? I briefly remember some clip from her

[unkempt kestrel]

hesRight

[spark cradle]

I will try to find it

[unkempt kestrel]

Like Mega took it with a good sense of humour but the flood of instant shipping art, harem comments and tutel x megalodon baby shit right out of the gate was pretty egregious

Someone could very easily be weirded out or react badly to that kind of behaviour sooner or later if people don't temper themselves

Like fuck imagine if the swarm was like this back when we had the shondo collab

[pliant raft]

i dont really think its much of a problem plus it's free publicity

[unkempt kestrel]

Actual nightmare scenario

[spark cradle]

But yeah, I 100% agree, sometimes I am genuinely tired of how parasocial people are towards Vedal and vtubers he's ever interacted with.
There were some extreme cases recently, like Vedal and Megalodon being pinged on Twitter under one of the arts that was supposed to show their kid (???)
and one Buffpup clip where someone, completely umprompted, sent a highlighted message to her about shipping her with Vedal, despite both of them never interacting with each other

[unkempt kestrel]

We're on a fast track to winning the most obnoxious fanbase award at this rate

[strong creek]

i feel like we already are

[spark cradle]

I'd rather not have this kind of publicity, I don't like the idea of "They can talk about me badly as long as they talk about me at all"

[dapper kelp]

we're getting there

[true lark]

What do we do if it's another VTuber doing it, like ChaCha?

[celest jewel]

We are

[spark cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FYi0z_Hv8&t=153s

[strong creek]

i dont watch different streamers to get highlighted messages about "do you know neuro"

it sucks and makes me sad to be related to those people

[latent flicker]

Some of it is Neuro's doing. Not sure what Vedal can do about that. Maybe a stronger filter?

[celest jewel]

the fact that "neuro-associated" streamers exists even in our minds at all is pretty bad

[pliant raft]

shipping is always gonna be prevalent in online spaces not much people can do to stop it plus vedal gets promoted without having to do anything , streamers have mods to deal with this if they're uncomfortable about it

[spark cradle]

in this clip someone says to Lucy that, if she wants to collab with Neuro, she better prepares to be shipped with Vedal

[unkempt kestrel]

Its fine with ChaCha cause its obviously a bit and with people who we know take it ins tride

Its one thing to do it as an obvious joke as a vtuber who knows these people personally

[celest jewel]

it is because weird people in the fanbase use highlighted messages to put weird stuff in the twins mouth

[unkempt kestrel]

Its another thing entirely to flood the zone as random chatters with this stuff

[dapper eagle]

It was.

[celest jewel]

last evil chill started with 3 highlighted messages about megalodon and babies

[pliant raft]

thats happened since forever though

[celest jewel]

just because it has happened forever doesnt mean that it is okay

[solid geyser]

yeah this needs to change

[unkempt kestrel]

I agree but only in this case and not with chat spam because I'm a hypocrite

[dapper eagle]

This must be a strong contender for your worst take yet, Maple.
This is exactly the type of publicity you don't want to have. It makes community more... toxic? And can(will) have a bad impact on the brand itself

[spark cradle]

"Not much can be do about it"
There's always something you can do to minimize the shipping, you can make a clear statement that you don't want it to happen, ask people to stop being parasocial, stop posting shipping arts under official hashtag. It won't stop everyone, but it's still better than doing nothing at all, as you suggest 🙂
"Streamers have mods"
Yes, they do, and thank god they deal with it on areas where they can do something (this server and subreddit) but unfortunately, it's not the only places those people operate

[true lark]

hey i'm just doing my job as the DougDoug guy leave me alone smh

[unkempt kestrel]

For someone looking in from the outside with zero context you'd be forgiven for thinking Vedal was an actual creep with the amount of comments about him going around adding vtubers to his "harem"

[celest jewel]

you are ... sitting on a fine line sometimes but its better than some other stuff happening

[pliant raft]

and neurotic neurons isnt toxic

[unkempt kestrel]

Teletric knows how to walk that line

Most of the swarm do not

[dapper eagle]

Humanity did a lot of horrible stuff in the past. For decades, even centuries. Yet at some point we stopped and world became a better place
Why this should be different

[true lark]

The worry I have about a public statement is that then you'd have Veedlets go up in arms and harass shippers and stuff.

I don't think it's just a Vedal thing, the ship victims also just need to speak up about it making them and other members of their community uncomfortable.

[glossy spindle]

you can leave the thread, we already see that you are only here to derail it

[unkempt kestrel]

We shouldn't let it get to the point someone needs to speak out

At that point the reputational damage is irreversibly done

[strong creek]

neurotic neurons is toxic but at least we have normal decency to keep it to neuro/evil/vedal instead of dragging other vtubers in it

[unkempt kestrel]

And we have had close calls recently with the swarms behaviour

[twin drum]

Say what you want about NN, it's a small part of a community that doesn't go to other streamers chat to spout shit

[storm sable]

[glossy spindle]

guys even Buffpup, who never interact with Vedal on stream, already got hit with someone shipping them

[pliant raft]

happens when you have a big community this isnt exclusive to swarm

[glossy spindle]

please... this is already too far

[unkempt kestrel]

Yeah that was ridiculous

[spark cradle]

I see the issue with your statement, you assume in upfront that people have only 2 stances on this matter - either embrace the shipping or fight it to death.
Vedal doesn't have to tell people to "fight" shipping, all I wish to see from him is to tell people to calm down with it
I don't want any artists to be harassed, no matter what they draw, they don't have to be personally attacked for what they do. But some clear boundaries have to be made.

[celest jewel]

what valuable addition to streams and this is one of the "nicer ones", teletrics stuff is like still normal

[quiet panther]

hmm but any suggestions?
also i haven't saw that

[unkempt kestrel]

A culture of being just absolute weirdos has been normalised among a lot of the swarm at this point, and not the funny kind of weird we've traditionally been

[rapid ridge]

I do not see xQc, Forsen, Filian, or any Hololive members RANDOMLY shipped with eachother.
Hololive does HAVE shipping, but it is PROMPTED by THEM
It is a Swarm issue.

[celest jewel]

if you wanna do sth helpful to the thread ignore maple

[river stream]

I especially hate when vtubers that get raided almost instantly pull out the neuro twins pillows and vedal on their head. I saw this recently when Vedal raised Crelly and it felt wrong. Like she instantly was caving to the obnoxious people. I haven’t chatted on her discord or server because I fear that the obnoxious fans have already created a culture shift in Crelly’s community.

[pliant raft]

im not talking about shipping in this instance

[spark cradle]

To add to it, Hololive talents usually adress certain issues and talk to their fans what is ok and what is not.
In the meantime, in Swarm, Vedal doesn't say anything and gives everyone a free hand.

[past thistle]

Not only Mega got this shit from those people but filian and camila as well

[celest jewel]

Everyone gets it nowadays doesnt matter if they even have interacted with them

you see them in both comment section and stream chats

[unkempt kestrel]

Damn I'm actually agreeing with the cheese

[quasi anchor]

xQc shipped with anyone is immediately cursed

[fast moat]

just as a reminder rule 1 for shipping real people still applies to this thread

[pliant raft]

they were literally all feeding though

[unkempt kestrel]

This thread is kind of advocating for rule 1 if anything

[sleek patio]

Did you not see the forsen xqc ship? :LULE:

[fast moat]

yeah but there’s always that one guy that would want to bring up “but i like the shipping” and they’ll be shot in sight

[celest jewel]

i mean the idea for example that the statement "a new addition to the harem" is like a common thing to say for some people whenever vedal either talks to someone or neuro collabs with someone for the first time

[dapper eagle]

I would think that first step is Vedal addressing this as an issue. It will stop some of the shipping. If won't be enough, then additional moderation can be used.

[strong creek]

bringing up you like it in this thread is wild

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-democracy-i-love-democracy-gif-13935227

[glossy spindle]

if Maple still hasnt got shot by baiting that it is completely fine, then it will be fine

[celest jewel]

go ahead i approve of the cleanse

[unkempt kestrel]

But also deserved lule

[rapid ridge]

Those are jokes + emote. Nobody is loud enough to gather people to directly wish for a gayge actual relationship of the two tbh

[quiet panther]

why i think he doesn't care

[fast moat]

well not specifically saying that but yk stuff that actually breaks rule 1

[pliant raft]

everything i dont agree with is baiting

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[proven nest]

Just kill veedlets they're the shippers, just look at Maple
just dont kill artists

[dapper eagle]

Thats the big problem then

[spark cradle]

I agree, many clips of various vtubers have a lot of comments in this style
"new addition to the harem"
"new mum for Neuro"
"Vedal collecting girls like cherries" etc

[pliant raft]

when did i even do lol

[unkempt kestrel]

Its hows how normalised this weirdge behaviour has become

[sleek patio]

And are the ved shippers actually wish for actual relationship or are they just living in their headcanon? :LULE:

[quasi anchor]

you are now the public enemy, I don't make the rules

[unkempt kestrel]

Exist

[river stream]

Still, there still should be standards. It’s not an attack on vedal, but it’s still HIS community by default. He should set some basic standards. Not let there be anarchy

[pliant raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[true lark]

No? I am saying there just will be people who will take it too far, not that everyone will.

[dawn hull]

i dont think this one is shipping actually mega pregnant is an inside joke

[proven nest]

Veedlet shipper, literally the worst kind
It is what it is

[dawn hull]

not related to vedal that is

[pliant raft]

me when i make shit up

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-be-gone-storm-gif-9834058

[storm sable]

I just opened youtube and a video shipping mega and vedal appears :/

[spark cradle]

There are always such people, Teletric, on any spectrum and any extreme.

Does it mean we shouldn't change anything and work on it to make it better?

[jaunty kraken]

[river stream]

Read the room Maple

[unkempt kestrel]

I will reiterate, we wouldn't have had a shondo collab or a hololive collab if the swarm was like this back then

[spark cradle]

Maple, are you gonna actually contribute to this discussion or just throw in low quality baits?

[unkempt kestrel]

We may very well already be losing collabs without knowing it to this

[sleek patio]

Can't have shit in Vtubers' Community :LULE:

[unkempt kestrel]

Just because we have a rep and so some people don't reach out

[true lark]

is there a way to ban people from specific discussions

[pliant raft]

are you gonna call everything bait

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-democracy-i-love-democracy-gif-13935227

Maple is objectively wrong but he should be allowed to stay

[celest jewel]

is the inside joke necessary that when I open the #heartheartart art tag i see multiple arts of mega and vedals "baby"

[quiet panther]

but. oh ok. and what he can do? rule 1st exists
if he says something " please don't ship me and twins with collaborators"
i think we will get more shipping

[strong creek]

we probably are, someone said "if you want to collab with vedal you have to expect shipping"

[glossy spindle]

if you dont contribute to the discussion please stop derailling and leave the discussion

[solid geyser]

As they should?

[unkempt kestrel]

If your point holds any ground you should be able to defend it against derailment

[proven nest]

Yeah, small vtubers probably dont care
but big ones that havent collabed with Neuro probably will

[quiet panther]

its a sing to draw more wholesome twins

[spark cradle]

I will gladly appreciate any argument from you, but you don't even try to formulate any rational thought so far

[glossy spindle]

[river stream]

More moderation obviously. Stricter rules

[celest jewel]

you know the sad thing all those disgusting arts get like 2x-3x times my views bcs of shock value

[river stream]

I love seeing wholesome art of the twins

Makes my day better

[strong creek]

which causes them to draw more

[proven nest]

I like all arts

[quiet panther]

but its on youtube and twitter

[glossy spindle]

unfortunately the market seems bigger than wholesome twin art

maybe if Vedal started to retweeting good twin arts on Neuro's account however 👀
no need to officially announce that he doesnt want that kinda of shipping art of him and his friends and would generate a massive increase in interest of Neuro and Evil 's arts

[quasi anchor]

this seems kinda defeatist. you know rules exist so they can be acted upon when they're broken, right? If they're not being held up, then it's not actually a rule.

[pliant raft]

all i said was it wasnt really a big issue as you make it out to be

[proven nest]

Its not an issue for shippers

[strong creek]

neuro commenting on wholesome twin art would also push it

[ocean flicker]

If vedal sets a standard, the swarm has more power to moderate themselves.
I'm glad this is being discussed, its been a pretty bad problem

[drowsy ivy]

People really need to understand that just because something is a joke or “part of the culture” doesn’t mean it’s good and harmless.

[unkempt kestrel]

hesRight, shame is a powerful tool

[quiet panther]

huh
i like to draw sad and wholesome Evil
still my most popular arts

[unkempt kestrel]

Once the standard is set these social expectations tend to organise and enforce themselves

[proven nest]

Mods cant do anything about it and Vedal will do nothing, close the thread

[formal crest]

One thing he can do is just outright state that there shouldn't be more shipping. Many shippers reason that his silence on the topic means that he's fine with it and a solid stance that people can refer to will prevent these type of reasoning from flying by

[true lark]

I don't even actively follow the swarm art hashtag but opening up Twitter and seeing literally the first thing I see be shipping is horrid.

[pliant raft]

he already said its cringe but he cant do anything about it tbf

[proven nest]

@molten thistle you wanted a thread for this

[dawn hull]

NAHH

[glossy spindle]

then you also have the artists that are cool enough to not post it on the hashtag but someone will always tag it on the comments

[unkempt kestrel]

He can, he just needs to honestly go enough is enough

[spark cradle]

It is a big issue for a significant part of the community, as shows many reddit posts, youtube comments and people on Discord.
The entire clickbaity clipper culture revolves around shipping Vedal with other girls, encouraging clippers to go for low hanging fruits instead of some actual content.
People go to vtubers and ask them about Vedal for no reason at all, which is already a red flag in streamer culture to mention someone umprompted, even less so in a parasocial manner.

[dawn hull]

it wasnt even related to vedal people just started to draw that for some reason

[spark cradle]

Just because you personally don't see an issue, doesn't mean there is none.

[formal crest]

His full statement on Anny's stream also said that he didn't like policing what other people do on internet

[twin drum]

Even hololive members put standards on shipping and that group is full of shipping

[quiet panther]

he can moderate this server his twitch
but twitter, YT, other twitch can't
mb his tactic is just ignore and ppl get tired of this and it stops by itself

[unkempt kestrel]

Yes shippers would get shamed a bit but that's how social change happens, you make it known that behaving a certain way isn't okay and it makes you look bad

[dawn hull]

MODS~2

thats a problem

[spark cradle]

It's been an issue for a year or so, and it never stopped. If anything, it escalated.

[quasi anchor]

Ignoring it in this case just gives shippers an excuse rather than a deterrent.

[dusty hearth]

time has shown that doing nothing has only made things worse

[shut granite]

There are deadass people out there who say mods are gaslighting everyone.
I said it many times in many places, unless vedal says that himself people will justify themselves saying mods are power tripping and everyone else is overreacting.

[river stream]

In that case like Takamori it was encouraged as a bit. When the bit died off the shipping art dropped fanatically

[thin snow]

Stream idea: Vedal teaches chat how to behave in other streamers' chats

[unkempt kestrel]

Actually hololive is proof this works, when holo streamers expressed discomfort with shipping or certain ships the fanbase called out people who kept going ignoring their wishes and it more or less dissipated

[pliant raft]

i mean

[quiet panther]

but he does nothing still
btw i don't really care about that, i ignore shippers information and filter this..
lol like haven't see that shit and now when i searched main page of YT i found 1 short with that

[dusty lance]

High risk high reward ahh response

[pliant raft]

always gamble

[jaunty kraken]

well, it's been a while

[dawn hull]

it could also just be part of a dev stream, any public statement will do

[unkempt kestrel]

People shouldn't be kept in a completely positive environment where we act like their behaviour is A okay all the time and they're never allowed to feel bad

Sometimes you gotta call out shitty behaviour as shitty behaviour

[celest jewel]

the reason this even became an issue btw is bcs vedal does a very hands off approach to things meaning if there is an issue he will deal with it behind the scenes but wont mention anything publicly (e.g. tutelsafari)
the problem is now the swarm is so big and a form of representative of his own community at one points he has to reign them in partially and make it clear what is fine and what is not, if it's just talking about these issues,
There are streamers with larger communities that have more control over their fanbase than vedal has over the swarm, it's just nowadays it becomes worse the longer it is ignored.
One thing for example that has always happened is people going into "Neuro-adjacent" streamer or in actuality other peoples streams and talking about vedal, neuro or evil without it being a topic of discussion. The biggest example is Anny. Some might say it is fine but in reality it rly isn't and should not be normalized.

What can Vedal do? He just has to be real and talk about that even it is awkward and weird to talk about. For months now the twitter arthashtag has a 50% chance that when opened it opens to straight up NSFW of vedal with others or vedal shipping art at the top.

[quiet panther]

my recommendations

[toxic raptor]

I genuinely thought she was having a baby lmao. Didn't know that that was a part of the shipping

[jaunty kraken]

Vedal should have his own hashtag

[cold axle]

I hope you guys can convince Vedal to say something. It really is unfortunate how out of hand it has gotten.

[unkempt kestrel]

Another example of people being misled by all of this

[unkempt kestrel]

There will be many more SirDoomFace's and many more misunderstandings

Like I said, the harem comments could genuinely make vedal sound like a sex pest creep to someone from the outside looking in

[pliant raft]

this is the funniest statement ever

[cold axle]

Nice to see we can all agree on this

[spark cradle]

I might be wrong, but in case of Anny, I think there was a point where her moderators gave timeouts to people who unpromptedly mentioned Neuro and Vedal?

[storm sable]

The issue is very simple, and there's no need to repeat the same point over and over. Shipping real life people is weird; that will not change. The shipping rule only applies to the discord and that's the issue. The simple solution (there are other possible ways) is that Vedal should publicly state that these sorts of art artpieces should stop. It's impossible to fully stop the shipping everywhere, but he can at least control it (stop it from being posted on the art tag). In the end, there is not really much we can do.

[celest jewel]

it already does, we had new people to the community who after seeing a few clips of neuro and evil are jsut blasted by the vedal shipping clips on youtube

[celest jewel]

well yes because it became an issue

[unkempt kestrel]

I'm aware of the silly nature of that statement

I chose to leave his name in because funni

[dawn hull]

its not part of the shipping, just an inside joke but people made it be part of the shipping 💀

[celest jewel]

anny no longer was able to have a stream as anny but instead she was just Neuro and evils mother, vedals wife to some

[quasi anchor]

I also feel like "shipping is cringe" is less Vedal laying down the law of the land than it is a passive statement of opinion on the matter. Anyone can say shipping is cringe, it's not exactly going to stop anyone.

[thin snow]

The problem is that a big chunk of swarm is totally unaware of vtuber/streamer chat etiquette

[jaunty kraken]

I remember Vedal was saying something about shipping

[cold axle]

Yeah, I think people moved to searching for possible solutions. This is a close and shut case in terms of it being a problem.

[thin snow]

So they don't evne know that spamming shipshit in other chats is a huge nono

[unkempt kestrel]

The real issue is vedal is too British

[pliant raft]

she was literally farming them

[unkempt kestrel]

He's just not confrontational enough

[cold axle]

She can do it. Not the fans though, not the fans.

[spark cradle]

yeah, I'm pretty sure certain clipper really does his best to enforce the narration of Anny being Vedal's wife
not saying the name out loud, but people probably know who I mean

[storm sable]

And that's an issue that Vedal could easily fix by simply talking about this growing issue.

[celest jewel]

The biggest problem is that Vedal basically says nothing about it so this means free reign for everyone who does and according to them it becomes normal and vedal approved

[dusty lance]

Yeah she can do that
Idk about the other streamers

[coarse crane]

For the record, the timeouts on her channel were issued before that clipper was a thing

[simple birch]

That's a grotesque exaggeration of what was actually happening

[spark cradle]

thanks for clarification

[amber roost]

The reddit has also that rule, but yeah it would be better if vedal said something oficially

[unkempt kestrel]

At least everyone there understood it as a bit for the most part

[dusty lance]

Yall were shipping Megalodon so fucking fast that it starts weirding me out tbh

[cold axle]

I think he will see this thread and weigh his options. I am sure some of the mods are reading in here too right now, so they are definitely aware. Let's see what comes of it.

[shut granite]

And if anyone anywhere says otherwise, it's "opression"

[dusty lance]

One stream yall...

[unkempt kestrel]

Man can't believe I'm defending fucking max wayne

[cold axle]

Don't say "yall" definitely not us

[glossy spindle]

1 hour call*

[dawn hull]

yall who is yall ⁉️

[dusty lance]

Well half of you (not most not some)

[amber roost]

The swarm really did become a teen fandom with all the shipping going about

[spark cradle]

We? Who is we?

[cold axle]

Vin, how could you...

[storm sable]

Yeah, we never see shipping (excluding twin ofc) related to them on both platforms.

[strong creek]

not even one stream, it was one off collab call

[celest jewel]

they surely know bcs they have to strike down all the fkn weirdos in chat, discord, reddit not like vedal does any of the sort

[dawn hull]

buhFlipExplode~1

[unkempt kestrel]

Agreed, I decided to dive into the #1095948590947500113 cesspool for once here because I felt this latest round was pretty egregious

[quasi anchor]

Am I the only one that felt like that whole situation was wildly astroturfed by the fans? It wasn't even that overt of a ship

[true lark]

I do not think ChaCha has ever interacted with Vedal to my knowledge.

[shut granite]

It's all because of minecraft arc, I'm telling you
-# j

[cold axle]

Mods should protest to Vedal for having to deal with all of this

[glossy spindle]

which ship wasnt astroturfed by fans?

[slate niche]

While my idea doesn't address the issue directly, one thing that should be imo done on Twitter is have separate tag for Vedal fanwork so those only looking for twins can avoid the shipping going on.

[unkempt kestrel]

She's very obviously teasing her friend with something she knows pushes their buttons though so its a bit different

[quasi anchor]

having decent chemistry = vedalodon baby

[proven nest]

not wrong

[coarse crane]

Well there is one technically

[quiet panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1320504225331155035/modcheck.gif

so at least one mod read that

[cold axle]

that's grotesque

[pliant raft]

he'd just tell them to stop being a mod lmao

[unkempt kestrel]

Yeah she got immediately flooded with ship fanart, vedal x megalodon baby art and harem comments it was rancid

She took it in good humour but not everyone will be so tolerant

[storm sable]

Yeah, quite funny how a single stream where both parties were just talking lead to them being shipped (making a baby).

[cold axle]

one of the first three comments of any Staz video is about shipping. I watch most of them and scroll into the comments.

[pliant raft]

and they can set boundaries

[quasi anchor]

I like Mega too but damn it is just a bit too swarmy in her chat now

[proven nest]

If you guys blame artists, also blame clippers
they bring more views and all the comments are about shipping

[distant flame]

gyat

[dawn hull]

one artist has been doing it to everyone dude i swear

[unkempt kestrel]

If they need to then the damage is done

[spark cradle]

and I definitely wouldn't want to miss out on some good collab partner just because they are afraid of interacting with the Swarm and being called Vedal's new gf

[quasi anchor]

yes actually

[unkempt kestrel]

I think he has the best point actually wrap it up guys

[storm sable]

I'm not even surprised at this point.

[quiet panther]

[storm sable]

I agree

[dawn hull]

SETMEFREEEEEE

[pliant raft]

not really its pretty common to set boundaries

[spark cradle]

finally, a voice of reason, thank you Borzoi for this such impactful take ❤️

[shut granite]

I think much of shopping comes from outsider blindness
People will feed into the joke without knowing its a larger issue

[unkempt kestrel]

It shouldn't be up to the collab partner to police our rabid fanbase

[glossy spindle]

you think some of us havent express our disdain for the paparazzi like clipper culture this community harbours?

[true lark]

People don't understand that even if it's done in jest, it does make people uncomfortable at some point. Like if you were being shipped with a friend all the time, there would come a time if it happens for long enough that you might start to feel insecure or uncertain about your boundaries with that friend.

[pliant raft]

some streamers are fine with it, some streamers arent, its a case by case basis

[quasi anchor]

me when I max my wayne

[cold axle]

I think this is another topic.

[proven nest]

Not really, I think you're a one man army ngl

[ocean flicker]

Even staz is becoming a shipping channel

[unkempt kestrel]

Exactly, so people shouldn't be allowed to run rampant with it out of the gate like that

[spark cradle]

count me in 🙂

[celest jewel]

The mega situation is just rly weird, especially bcs she is compared to us a smaller streamer, now imagine a much much smaller streamer.
Or imagine a streamer that learns and know about this and actively tries to farm the Vedalshippers without by being weird and overly "in love" with the tutelman

[coarse crane]

I love when people say "becoming" like he hasn't been doing these kind of clips since the beginning

[strong creek]

some vtubers just mention vedal and you have clips of them

[cold axle]

No, I am a little with him. I guess Vedal doesn't mind, but man can't even leave a twitch message without being filmed.

[quiet panther]

because it's doing numbers i guess

[unkempt kestrel]

God forbid we ever try to collab with a vtuber who has goslings again

Imagine the tantrums

[strong creek]

which causes people to also bait vtubers into saying vedal and then the shipping starts this makes me so happy about this community

[proven nest]

I dont like the stalker behaviour but he rewarded Staz for it
so its on him

[coarse crane]

For the record, I love staz and everything he does.

[pliant raft]

damn he's famous

[quasi anchor]

staz is always watching

[spark cradle]

it's a closed loop of content, clippers or people who follow them, send highlighted messages about Vedal, streamer responses, clipper makes clip, content served
rinse and repeat

[unkempt kestrel]

I don't mind the clippers, they're reacting to a trend among the fans not vice versa

You gotta cut the problem out at the root

[dawn hull]

is this staz in the room with us right now

[formal crest]

Reminds me of the clip where Staz baits SquChan into saying Vedal then clipped it

[dusty lance]

Clippers are kinda partially part of this problem cus encouragement but that's another can of worms

[quasi anchor]

You're right, we need to destroy vedal

[cold axle]

Oh this is true.

[strong creek]

oh yeah and that one happened long ago as well

[amber roost]

Fans are Clippers after all

[proven nest]

If he cant address shippers in public, then at least should talk to clippers about it
i think that's fair game

[dusty lance]

Huhm

[pliant raft]

how do you guys feel about streamers that feed into the ships? ik chacha did this with filian and mega recently

[glossy spindle]

it depends, cause some this trend started cause of some clippers
so its a 2 front problem

[strong creek]

you dont remember that one?

[dusty lance]

I dont watch staz that much

[storm sable]

Why coudn't he?

[dawn hull]

i think they are actually smart (if its themselves) its free money

[unkempt kestrel]

Fil and Mega are her friends and she's teasing them knowing what their boundaries are, its a bit different (meant to reply to the chacha comment, my bad)

[amber roost]

Because a streamer does it, it doesn't mean it is good

[formal crest]

Depends on how it's done, one thing is pushing buttons or playing a bit and another is full on parasocialism

[quasi anchor]

That's honestly between the two streamers. They can set that boundary between each other without too much of an imbalance.

[quiet panther]

creators want numbers and do bad stuff, but because it literally does numbers
so problems in swarm

[coarse crane]

There are some clippers that even try to directly force these types of interactions for clips.

[celest jewel]

i mind the clippers that basically clip with no morality, even the weirdest moments
I mean there are just moments where even someone like Staz says he won't clip this because it is too weird
but the truth of the matter clippers are just fans and the only one whose opinion will matter in the end is Vedal's
Greatest example for that is just whenever mods take down posts on reddit which violate rules and then suddenly another hate campaign against mods start

[glossy spindle]

? you might have hit the wrong guy tho
I meant the clippers with the Vedal mentioning loop

[spark cradle]

It's kind of a thing that we don't have much influence on, we might condemn it, but ultimately it's up to that streamer. We can only set boundaries on our part and keep in mind that any shipping stuff should be considered a playful joke, not a bit that has to be eternally dragged

[dapper eagle]

We need to nuke the swarm

[simple birch]

It literally does mean that, no? Shouldn't what streamer wants be the priority?

[unkempt kestrel]

Oh yeah I meant to reply to the comment about ChaCha

[dawn hull]

we self destructing now

[amber roost]

Do we know vedals opinon at all?

[proven nest]

Vedal for the past 3 years

[quiet panther]

[simple birch]

That was already discussed

[cold axle]

He has stated, he doesn't like to "police"

[amber roost]

For the moment it just seems unilateral if anything so like

[storm sable]

He thinks it's cringe, but generally doesn't care.

[spark cradle]

thank you for making this masterpiece of a drawing

[amber roost]

Then why is it banned in discord or reddit or whatever

[dawn hull]

amazing

[storm sable]

[thin snow]

He better fucking start then

[distant flame]

haha thank you do we send the absolute cinema too

[unkempt kestrel]

Its time, commence auto detonation protocol swarm

[cold axle]

[dawn hull]

neuroExplode

[celest jewel]

and that is why this post exists now

[unkempt kestrel]

[jaunty kraken]

because Twitter doesn't have Reddit rules

[proven nest]

he cant police the internet, but he can let the mods police what's in their reach

[pliant raft]

cuz you feel obligated to police for him?

[amber roost]

Yeah he is policing(since he gives the open to rules) but he hasn't stated it as something public which is an issue since the fans take it as a go, not a stop

[true lark]

They should also not feel like they need to stay silent or have to endure discomforting behavior from others, even if said people are from their friends' fanbase.

I agree with you that we should not let it get to the point where they have to speak out, which is another reason why Vedal does need to address this.

[spark cradle]

You still can influence people there and minimize the damage by saying something

[dusty lance]

I think its to calm some people who takes this shipping shit seriously

[carmine thistle]

I mean, didn't vedal literally say he wants the twins to be center of attention and not him? All this shipping stuff does is put attention on him and people who have sometimes not even interacted with the twins

[thin snow]

God forbid people don't want the swarm overrun by ultraparasocial schizos

[quasi anchor]

I'd rather just acknowledge that it's a part of the community that makes other members uncomfortable.

[celest jewel]

p much what kemi says the public inaction of vedal is seen as approval for many

[simple birch]

Are those people in the room with us right now?

[quiet panther]

oh this needs to be done something
too complicated

[unkempt kestrel]

Parasocial schizos for the twins are okay but other than that yeah

[pliant raft]

we're in an AI chatbot discord

[amber roost]

They probably are banned or in nn

[dusty lance]

I saw a clip where a chatter asked some unrelated vtuber who has NEVER interacted with vedal before if they would be shipped with vedal

[coarse crane]

Unironically no. They'd all get banned from this discord

[thin snow]

Whose memebers cannot behave

[unkempt kestrel]

The fate of civilization is at stake here

[proven nest]

The endgoal should be stopping shippers that turn their fantasy into action, like going to vtubers chats and typing nonsense

[spark cradle]

yes and unfortunately many of Vedal fans don't really keep in mind his own words and do the exact opposite

[sharp pollen]

cringe

[pliant raft]

what movie is this

[dawn hull]

i think shippers are literally banned lol

[pliant raft]

i forgot to ping potat oops

[cold axle]

Yeah, they can dream about it but just not bother others

[dusty lance]

Thats the fuking thing

[simple birch]

Who's the post for then if the people that the post is addressing are not here LOL

[strong creek]

people that take the shipping seriously get banned

[cold axle]

No, this is an address to Vedal

[strong creek]

for vedal?

[glossy spindle]

a plead for Vedal action obviously

[shut granite]

yeah.
Even if they could argue here they'll get shot

[dusty lance]

Cant post the clip btw as the clip was moderated in reddit

Its that fucking bad

[dapper eagle]

Vedal

[dawn hull]

Neuroverse 2025 Attack of the Shippers

[strong creek]

the buff one?

[dusty lance]

Yes

[sharp pollen]

imo my main issue with the whole shipping thing for all ships (as a neuroxevil shipper myself) is that these ships are too forced

all of them

[ivory coral]

Swarm has a shipping problem in general

[thin snow]

They are here. They can't cause problems in here so they shit up other streamers' chats

[cold axle]

Vedal shippers be like: you mean Vedalverse

[amber roost]

Vedalverse

[dawn hull]

buhFlipExplode~1

[quiet panther]

ok i back to painting
good luck with shippers

[bitter hazel]

true

[formal crest]

That's the Vedal shipper

[celest jewel]

what do you think these post are meant for

[dusty lance]

Keep cooking goat

[storm sable]

Cya/Good luck!

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/kobeni-disgusted-chainsaw-man-csm-eww-gif-27137089

[dawn hull]

goodluck i like ur artstyle

[spark cradle]

good luck bro, I can't wait for another peak from you

[quiet panther]

thank you, but this time not Evil
Teto

[cold axle]

Nice, I guess this is finished then? I am going to get excited for the stream.

[dusty lance]

Still peak tho

[glossy spindle]

so Vocaloid Evil, seems fine to me

[dawn hull]

Evil Teto

[dusty lance]

Back on topic guys lmfao

NN 3, electric boogaloo

[cold axle]

I think it's done. Just gotta wait for Vedal to see this.

[proven nest]

If you see vedalverse you just know thats a shipper self-report
maybe mods should ban them on the spot

[dawn hull]

youre telling me there was an NN 2

[sleek patio]

There's no more to discuss :LULE:. Otherwise it'd be a loop

[amber roost]

Rin and ren time?

[strong creek]

vedalverse should be already

[celest jewel]

i mean p much everything has already been said i think
as usual in these posts the only thing missing is just vedal

[dusty lance]

The contents there were concerning lol

[unkempt kestrel]

That's our favourite pasttime here though

[dawn hull]

promote got 1984d lmao

[sleek patio]

Maybe for you :LULE:

[glossy spindle]

pre moderation of r/neurosama was dreadful in that regard

[dusty lance]

Fair

[storm sable]

There is no point in continuing this.

[strong creek]

zepplin visited o7

[dusty lance]

Not even a mention, its really that bad huh

[glossy spindle]

sometimes people would go on "who is their best girl" and shitty cringy stuff like that

[dusty lance]

Ill shut my mouth and leave the thread
Gl with the talk

[dawn hull]

im going back to nn before the loop starts

[cold axle]

Wasn't there a time where only Vedal and one other person moderated and Vedal obviously doesn't actually moderate there

[ocean flicker]

So now..
We star the post and hope vedal does something ig

[distant flame]

https://tenor.com/view/person-below-among-us-plushie-free-among-us-plushie-gif-26971086

[unkempt kestrel]

Ew no I'm different 🤢💭

[glossy spindle]

it was only Vedal and either Shiba or Vio (cant remember which) since the subreddit was rushed for r/place

[twin drum]

Borz

[pliant raft]

can i have your among us plushie 🥹

[distant flame]

hello yujin

[dapper eagle]

heehehehhe stars for me

[dapper eagle]

I mean

[unkempt kestrel]

Why have I been saddled with this fate

[shut granite]

[dapper eagle]

Yeah we wait on vedal reply now

[sleek patio]

I got it :PagMan:

[jaunty kraken]

nah Vedal ain't reading

[distant flame]

enjoy

[dapper eagle]

let me cope

[amber roost]

Need a mood to send It to him

Mod

[proven nest]

Let the thread open until vedal replies

[cold axle]

hello Crimon

[shut granite]

Some mod should probably summarise this thread because vedal ain't reading all that

[pliant raft]

general network 3

[storm sable]

shipping bad, stop shipping good

[unkempt kestrel]

hesRight

[twin drum]

Someone make a final conclusion for ved to read

[upper niche]

there are a bunch of things that have happened for long periods of time that shouldn't have. that's not an excuse.

[rain pilot]

vedal should collab with more male streamers honestly cuz I didn't see anyone trying to ship him with dougdoug because I assume all the shippers aren't into that kind of shipping

[storm sable]

I'm just waiting a mod to lock this so nn can be active again

[twin drum]

Yes more collab with doug Doug

[jaunty kraken]

surely this will help

[pliant raft]

bro didnt see the vedal and ipn shipping

[shut granite]

Imagine it just gets worse

[granite radish]

Vedal shipping, peak

[candid pebble]

So is there a single Pro shipper in this thread?

[granite radish]

Me

[lapis laurel]

I blame filian suplex. That was the catalyst.

[pliant raft]

what's a proshipper

[glossy spindle]

guys if you have nothing more to add go to NN or genchat, dont make this thread get closed when it can be brought back later

[fast moat]

do it yourself

[sleek patio]

Got baited :LULE:

Get him, mods

[amber roost]

Use chatpgpt

[shut granite]

[storm sable]

Someone who advocates for shipping

[dapper eagle]

ask neurobot duh

[true lark]

You know, speaking of DougDoug, you remember the whole "Parkzer is a lawyer" joke? Well, he told his community straight up that Parkzer does not like it and we should stop doing it and people listened.

[fast moat]

right there’s that function now

[rain pilot]

crimon will keep this thread open forever so he can direct all shipping talk to this thread

[granite radish]

Do vedal even care about the shipping as long as its not pushed to his face

[grim kettle]

• ! gymbag (promote) mentions a moderated clip on Reddit, indicating it's not shareable. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Fridge shares that Vedal has 3 days left for something unspecified. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Vin discusses "Neuroverse 2025 Attack of the Shippers". [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Bluro expresses concerns about forced shipping in the community. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Jpdawg notes that Swarm has a shipping problem in general. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Desiderius and kemi19 joke about Vedal and the concept of "Vedalverse". [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Fatum mentions returning to painting and wishes luck with the shipping discussions. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Dodo8071795 suggests ending the discussion as it seems pointless. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)
• Ultimage - Yujin proposes summarizing the thread for Vedal to read. [Link](#1376206682195234977 message)

[pliant raft]

no lmao

[storm sable]

Lock this channel

[candid pebble]

I blame vedal, if he didnt exist you couldnt ship him

[lapis laurel]

I'm pro vedal needs healthy social relationships in his life, if that's any consolation.

[amber roost]

It costs 10 cookies to run

[thin snow]

He should care because it's pushed into the face of other streamers

[true lark]

@grim kettle is this true?

[unkempt kestrel]

No but the point of this thread is that maybe its time he did

[storm sable]

they ignored my paragraph entirely

[fast moat]

its shit

[proven nest]

Wait Teletric is here lmao

[pliant raft]

[dapper eagle]

this shit is so ass

[amber roost]

[spark cradle]

well, it's not only a Vedal issue at this point, the whole community is affected by it

[true lark]

I have been here...

[spark cradle]

garbage summary btw, you can do better, Neurobot

[shut granite]

and people beyond it too

[candid pebble]

Feels like reading through bitlife

[storm sable]

Do it again.

[proven nest]

Im glad i didnt used you as an example for shippers bro

[lapis laurel]

Someone just copy and paste this thread into Gemini it has a million tokens of contrxt

[proven nest]

i was about to

[true lark]

who tf have you seen me ship
wtf

[amber roost]

Teletric ships doug doug and vedal

[twin drum]

Bro you not saying allat

[rain pilot]

yeah but that was only because parkzer could have gotten into real trouble since doing lawyer work without a BAR qualification is a federal crime, afaik shipping vedal isn't, vedal could for sure crack down harder on it though

[pliant raft]

dougdal 2025

[true lark]

bro... rule 1

[celest jewel]

TLDR:

• shipping cringe
• vedal's inaction towards shipping is like giving an ok to the shippers
• this causes more shipping to happen
• community will become worse
  e.g. of such a case: Megalodon

[candid pebble]

Make vedal shipping a federal crime

[rain pilot]

don't slander my guy like that

[lapis laurel]

Shipping isn't a federal crime? Well let me just phone my congressman....

[proven nest]

I was gonna say shippers are like Teletric, not that you're a shipper
but they're going around annoying other streamers with their bullshit

but i know you're a good one

[thin snow]

Also: big chunk of community has no idea about vtuber/streamer chat etiquette

[fast moat]

isn’t that the main post then?

[lapis laurel]

The tldr is that the discussion contributed nothing.

[spark cradle]

Uh yeah, what else did you want the summary of?

[granite radish]

A good one only because it worked, no one should follow teletric's example

[pliant raft]

another neurocord classic

[upper niche]

but yes, this affects all his friends and even people who arent in any way involved with neuro. like it's getting to the point where it's reaching people like buffpup. it's so dumb, and really should be getting addressed by vedal before one of these streamers has enough and calls him out for not keeping a better leash on the community about this stuff

[celest jewel]

i mean tldr is that the entire consensus is that everyone agrees to a certain degree
besides maple

[proven nest]

exactly

[unkempt kestrel]

Gimme a sec I'm generating an AI sloppa tldr that should do a better job than neurobot

[amber roost]

People agreed

[pliant raft]

his friends are literally capitalizing on it though

[fast moat]

so basically the thread is just
• post
• i agree
• tldrs

[rain pilot]

I think this is a big one too, so much of this community literally doesn't understand basic etiquette

[strong creek]

maple is just baiting

[true lark]

But still, shows there is nothing wrong with telling your community to pipe down with something.

[candid pebble]

[amber roost]

Yeah sometimes opinons are well constructed

[shut granite]

to be fair, buffpup case is a one guy
but it takes one piece to set off domino

[spark cradle]

more or less
if someone could get Vedal to take a look at this thread, it would be great

[runic elm]

that's what happens when people have valid concerns that everyone agrees with (except Maple)

[granite radish]

post
I disagree
I agree a bit
tldr

[upper niche]

yeah who's to say it'll stop at buffpup

[candid pebble]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RENZ7S5IdvA?si=KERt4cHq-F4xSVZb

"Inaction"

[storm sable]

The issue is pretty self-explanatory.

[pliant raft]

i just think its not a big issue lol

[fast moat]

i mean the twitch chat spam thread had some stuff to it compared to this

[granite radish]

True

[lapis laurel]

Are you saying twitch chat is more nuanced than the neurocord? Blasphemy

[shut granite]

I don't like "what if" arguments
But at this point its a pattern, not an "if"

[runic elm]

I agree that there was WAY bigger isues with this channel that than atm, but this isn't a thread for those issues

[rain pilot]

this feels like what almost all discussion threads turn into until everyone gets bored and stops using it, a conclusion is reached, or vedal responds to it

[candid pebble]

Some people dissagreed in that case, its litteraly just basically everyone going "yeah i agree its out of hand"

[celest jewel]

well the thing is everyone p much just agrees that everything is weird and going downhill and the only one that can affect any of this is vedal

[strong creek]

there are some suggestions on what vedal could do tho

[spark cradle]

I mean, we already gave some good examples of shipping going way too wild and people agree it's getting too much

[proven nest]

"Its vedal content, so no a big issue in my books"
--Maple

[hard sable]

It'd be a cute thing if it was like
Several collabs in "Are you our new aunt for neuro?"
As like an invite to the family, rather than the default "You collabed with neuro, so you're now dating vedal right?"

[unkempt kestrel]

AI sloppa report generating, please hold

[fast moat]

eh for the spam thread no one was disagreeing, if u mean the most recent one that’s not what i was referring to but nesus’ thread

[proven nest]

If you think vedalbegging in other streamers chat is not an issue then idk what to tell you

[amber roost]

The spam thread people disagreed after because that what they noticed

[drifting crown]

In my opinion it's ok to ship their fictional vtuber personas, just don't bring it to the real world or be overbearing about it.

[strong creek]

make a twitter tag
give a stance on the shipping
give a stance on swarm farming in other chats about shipping
i guess thats it tbf

[true lark]

"Hey everyone—I've noticed some people shipping me with my collab partners, including fan art and other content. I know not everyone means harm, but it makes me, my collaborators, and many fans uncomfortable.

Please respect our boundaries and keep the focus on the content we create. Thanks for understanding.

[Your Name]"

[proven nest]

same applies for neuro

[candid pebble]

I thought there was some in the nesus thread? Well actualy ig the big dissagreement to the nesus thread was the more recent one

[shut granite]

honestly, good enough

[granite radish]

This thread can be solved peacefully only of vedal or his friends addressed it, I mean what do we as a community can do besides isolating or doing a witch hunt that will basically make an irreversible damage to it

[dapper kelp]

classic

[lapis laurel]

What if vedal made Neuro deliver the message in a more humorous way? Would that be effective?

[glossy spindle]

it wouldnt

[spark cradle]

It's quite difficult to separate both, people will always associate Vedal with his streaming persona
you create an online image of yourself, and this image is the only thing people associate you with

[formal crest]

No

[unkempt kestrel]

This would spur them on

[glossy spindle]

cause Neuro also changes opinions everyonce in a while
and btw Evil addressed it once

[ocean flicker]

Wouldn't be taken seriously

[formal crest]

As sad as it is people don't take Neuro seriously

[rain pilot]

the shippers do not make this separation, in their minds the person behind the persona and the persona are the same person

[celest jewel]

if evil or neur say it it doesnt matter

[fast moat]

then prob add that to the tldr

[cold axle]

The turtle is all that Vedal is to us viewers

[lapis laurel]

Man must suck being the main streamer but no one takes your opinion seriously.

[thin snow]

There's a subgroup of vedalbeggars that actively hate the twins so not really

[glossy spindle]

#livestream-chat message

[shut granite]

its not a persona
Visually yes, and you can do little to stop fanart for funni
But you can't seperate individual and their visual representation, you just can't.
Without saying vedal had no "persona" to begin with

[celest jewel]

bcs in these people's eyes they are just convenient handpuppets to vedal on this channel

[unkempt kestrel]

AI TLDR 50% generated

[rain pilot]

neuro and evil's opinions on this matter are frankly irrelevant since they're easy to bait

[pliant raft]

this literally doesnt exist

[strong creek]

someone add it to a tldr and add more if i forgot something

[pliant raft]

tldr ur mom lol

[granite radish]

Shippers need to be told "NO" straight to their face by the people they ship for them to stop or ship less otherwise them stopping will just not happen

[proven nest]

Here are the bulletpoints

• Bad Community Rep: Shippers in other VTuber chats make the Swarm look "obnoxious" and "toxic," scaring off new and potential members.
• Stops Collabs: VTubers are actively avoiding collabs because they don't want to be shipped with Vedal. It creates a fear of the "insane line."
• Awkward for Others: Unsolicited shipping ("harem comments," "baby shit") in other streams makes VTubers and their communities uncomfortable and "weirded out."
• Normalizes "Weirdge": This constant shipping has made "weird" behavior (like "new addition to the harem") seem normal in the Swarm, and it's not the fun kind of weird.
• Distracts from Content: All the shipping talk and art is overshadowing Neuro and Evil's actual streams, pushing their content out of view.

chatgpt thanks

[celest jewel]

Based evil adding to the thread now

[subtle spire]

i don’t think there’s anything vedal could do that would change anything, unfortunately it’s on the other streamers to set boundaries and moderate this stuff in their chat if they don’t like it

[shut granite]

for once non neuro LLM doing a decent job

[unkempt kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/am-am-ihnmaims-ihnmaims-allied-mastercomputer-hate-gif-3792826578129949285

[cold axle]

I was about to congratulate you on how succinctly you put it

[proven nest]

Neuro didnt do shit bro, it was chatgpt

[storm sable]

[formal crest]

Read again

[hard sable]

Crazy its doing one of the like three tasks its good at well

[glossy spindle]

what if... we also want that moderated within our community aswell?

[amber roost]

This seems good enough could close thread now

[proven nest]

But i did the prompt

[true lark]

Real talk, Vedal needs to put more stuff in writing in general, like to not take Neuro seriously when she says stuff.

It may seem like common sense, but it also gives people an out to say "Well, erm, I didn't see anyone explicitly say they don't like it or they think it's wrong "

[rain pilot]

and other streamers DO say this, just not vedal, camila for example is pretty clear and has actively tried to steer it into a sibling kind of relationship to make shipping them feel weird

[cold axle]

I am so proud of you

[granite radish]

I think the obnoxious part was more of a spam problem rather than a shipping problem

[subtle spire]

unless ‘we’ means vedal that is irrelevant

[drifting crown]

I feel like there should be a policy regarding shipping that people in the swarm has to abide by in order to prevent the streamers from being uncomfortable or annoyed by the swarm

[shut granite]

Doing something is better than inaction
It will make people at least think twice before going overboard

[glossy spindle]

the police is written on the discord AND reddit rules

[celest jewel]

i feel that is a weird take, bcs basically what you are saying is that even tho this stems from the swarm aka Vedal's community, other people are the ones who have to suffer from it and should deal with it and vedal should just let it happen

[rare summit]

Vedal shippers don't like Neurosama, they need to watch more Neuro

[subtle spire]

i don’t disagree but people won’t stop just because vedal makes a comment

[amber roost]

Its maybe going against vedals wishes to going against them directly

[storm sable]

Which once again is up to vedal.

[formal crest]

Many people don't stop precisely because Vedal hasn't made a comment

[rain pilot]

this is blatantly false, vedal could literally say something on it but he doesn't, he literally doesn't even try to curtail the behavior

[shut granite]

Maybe, but it will certainly stop people from putting words into his mouth saying its okay because its ved approved

[hard sable]

Sure it says this

[hard sable]

But people think like this

[strong creek]

[amber roost]

The issue is Twitter or other places where this stuff don't reach

[spark cradle]

True, I saw a lot of shippers saying that it's all fine because Vedal doesn't mind it and never said anything against it
which... kinda gives us a solution for this

[shut granite]

and where it does reach, people just shrug it off

[storm sable]

I love loops

[amber roost]

People atribuited It to the mods ironacally

[rain pilot]

this discord is "relatively" shipper free since it's cracked down on so hard, like yes shipping will always exist but vedal needs to at least try to make it clear that it's unwanted so other places will get it through their heads

[proven nest]

I know ppl dont like it, but I think thats fair

[drifting crown]

Ok. I'll admit that was stupid of me to say, I'm just trying to find solutions to this before a streamer gets possibly harass.

[true lark]

correct me if I'm wrong, but most VTubers are just being their real selves behind an avatar and not playing a character.

[cold axle]

2 people going "well actually" making us reiterate all the points :ReallyMad:

[upper niche]

this is such a wierd take. at the very least vedal vocally going against it would shame those people and make them less likely to say this, and embolden others to tell them off for ignoring vedal's own feelings in the matter. other streamers can take action too, but it should start with vedal, and not the other way around. It could land vedal himself in hot water too if other creators publically start to get on him for not keeping the community in check better

[lapis laurel]

You know stepping back this thread could be reinterpreted as victim blaming. We are blaming vedal for saying nothing saying that's giving tacit approval. Imagine making that argument in a... more serious context.

[shut granite]

Exactly, in what world is it so bad mods are being blamed for setting up rules, and arguing its against the streamers wishes

[storm sable]

Then ignore them and tell them to just read the damn discussion

[hard sable]

Personally I think its fine to do, I dont think its okay to tell the people behind those personas that you're shipping them

[rain pilot]

this is the common indie mentality nowadays yes

[unkempt kestrel]

It really isn't on the other streamers, they shouldn't be the ones policing our problems

[cold axle]

No no no, Vedal has no fault in this.

[amber roost]

It isn't against the streamer since vedal has the final say....

[drifting crown]

That's fair.

[rain pilot]

any character roleplay is just superficial

[proven nest]

What was the discussion about

[pliant raft]

true

[shut granite]

Exactly, and people will still argue that its just the mods power tripping

[candid pebble]

Indies dont tend to play charecters, they tend to be vtubers for other reasons like annonimity

[cold axle]

Yeah we already came to a consensus.

[drifting crown]

What was the consensus?

[amber roost]

@fast moat should close the thread tbh

[cold axle]

It's bad

[candid pebble]

Anti shipping

[proven nest]

Here are the bulletpoints

• Bad Community Rep: Shippers in other VTuber chats make the Swarm look "obnoxious" and "toxic," scaring off new and potential members.
• Stops Collabs: VTubers are actively avoiding collabs because they don't want to be shipped with Vedal. It creates a fear of the "insane line."
• Awkward for Others: Unsolicited shipping ("harem comments," "baby shit") in other streams makes VTubers and their communities uncomfortable and "weirded out."
• Normalizes "Weirdge": This constant shipping has made "weird" behavior (like "new addition to the harem") seem normal in the Swarm, and it's not the fun kind of weird.
• Distracts from Content: All the shipping talk and art is overshadowing Neuro and Evil's actual streams, pushing their content out of view.

[true lark]

but also i wouldn't be against encouraging them to do so if Vedal doesn't do or say something about this

[proven nest]

stop typing

[cold axle]

[drifting crown]

Is there a way to fix this?

[rain pilot]

no, not saying anything is tacit approval in this case, it's not victim blaming when it is a factual statement he has not curtailed the behavior

[glossy spindle]

Proposals:

Vedal actually stops fence sitting and puts his thoughts onto it

Try to create more twin art demand by reposting art of the girls on Neuro's twitter in the hopes of it overshadowing Ved Shipping art

Create a Ved-only art to lesser the amount of Ved Shipping art (SFW and NSFW) on the main hashtag

[celest jewel]

vedal will not be able to stop the insane shippers but it will deter the average person in the community to keep doing it

[storm sable]

it's been mentioned many times, vedal just addresses the issue.

[valid geode]

No wonder the shipping tradition is continue, vedal always feed the shipper

[formal crest]

Also reevaluate making a vedal tag

[rain pilot]

like I understand what you're trying to say quark, but your implications mean nothing in the context of this particular discussion

[spark cradle]

I'm trying my best to provide more twin arts I'm doing my part

[dapper eagle]

What if I repost your bullet points and then instantly do this

[lapis laurel]

I agree just a meta commentary really

[storm sable]

works

[amber roost]

You can do that thought only mods could

[true lark]

wait, what if Vedal actually does not care tho?

[coarse crane]

We're not in 2023 anymore

[unkempt kestrel]

Boutta post my tldr, give us a sec

[formal crest]

Because I recall someone saying that there's no Vedal tag because that'd encourage Vedal art but it's clear more Vedal art will be made regardless

[candid pebble]

You 100% can take the same arguement in a more serious context, he isnt under any pressure not to so yeah its not victim blaming

[cold axle]

then that is that

[rain pilot]

the op has the right to close thread at any time

[storm sable]

then nothing we can do

[rare summit]

More Neurosama. People have forgotten they exist.

[drifting crown]

How do we bring this issue to his attention?

[hard sable]

He cares about other people, who are also affected

[pliant raft]

then he doesnt care

[rain pilot]

then it continues and we just all have to live with it

[shut granite]

Vedal rarely, if ever fed into the ship.
It will always be the other streamer that feeds the ships, mostly because they don't know how big of an issue it is in the community.

[storm sable]

Shipping real life people is weird and can make people uncomfortable. This issue introduces many issues such as, streamers perhaps deciding not to collab with us due to them not wanting to participate in such a weird thing (shipping), it makes people uncomfortable, it's inappropriate, it's cringe, it'll get worse as time goes on, blah blah. Imagine being a new person to the swarm and all you see is shipping, would weird you out, right? Easy solution: Vedal just tells people to stop being so weird or at least controls it (stops it from being posted on the art tag). Extra solution: Make an entirely different tag for vedal stuff. | There are many solutions to this issue, the issue is that Vedal has not bothered to actually find one (he doesn't care and focuses on the more important things).

There you go.

[rain pilot]

again, vedal feeds into the ship by not being publicly against the ship

[unkempt kestrel]

Report on "The Swarm has a Vedal shipping problem" Discussion

Date of Discussion: May 25, 2025
Topic: Concerns regarding the prevalence and nature of "Vedal shipping" within the Swarm community and its impact.

I. Introduction and Core Issue Identified
The discussion centers on a perceived problematic surge in the "shipping" of Vedal with various VTubers, often irrespective of actual interaction. This manifests across multiple platforms including art, clips, and messages in other streamers' chats. The primary concern is the negative impression this behavior casts on the Swarm community, potentially alienating new members or collaborators.

II. Summary of Key Discussion Points & Concerns
Participants expressed significant concerns:

• Negative Perception & Streamer Discomfort: Many fear the Swarm being known for aggressive Vedal shipping, which could tarnish the community's image and make other VTubers uncomfortable. An instance was shared where a VTuber was told to avoid Neuro collabs due to this shipping culture after requesting not to be shipped with Vedal. simplep0tato worried about the community winning the "most obnoxious fanbase award".
• Content Creators & Clippers: Some users believe clippers contribute by creating and promoting shipping content, sometimes even trying to bait interactions for such clips. promote. noted clippers are "partially part of this problem cus encouragement".
• Vedal's Perceived Stance: Vedal's perceived silence or "hands-off approach" is seen by some as tacit approval. railyx. stated, "The biggest problem is that Vedal basically says nothing about it so this means free reign for everyone".
• Counterarguments: maplesyrup777 initially suggested it wasn't a major issue and offered "free publicity", a view heavily contested. A distinction was made between friendly teasing and imposing ships on unrelated individuals.
• Community Etiquette & Impact: Concerns were raised about a lack of vtuber/streamer chat etiquette among some members, potentially damaging collaboration opportunities.
• Escalation: The issue has reportedly escalated, with shipping art, including NSFW content, becoming prominent on platforms like Twitter.

III. Conclusions Drawn from the Discussion
The discussion led to several conclusions:

• Problem Acknowledged: Most participants agree that excessive and unsolicited Vedal shipping is problematic, described with terms like "weird" and "rancid".
• Negative Impact: This behavior harms the Swarm's reputation, making the community seem "obnoxious" and "toxic", and can deter collaborations.
• Vedal's Role is Crucial: Many believe Vedal's lack of a clear public stance is a key factor in the problem's perpetuation. His previous statements that "shipping is cringe" or that he dislikes "policing" are seen by some as insufficient.
• Moderation Challenges: While rules exist on Discord/Reddit, the problem extends to platforms like Twitter and YouTube where control is limited.

IV. Potential Courses of Action Recommended by Participants
Participants suggested several actions:

• Public Statement from Vedal: The most urged action is for Vedal to publicly condemn unsolicited shipping and set clear boundaries. rytsty suggested, "One thing he can do is just outright state that there shouldn't be more shipping". This could be part of a dev stream.
• Stricter Moderation: Some called for stricter rule enforcement where possible.
• Community Education & Self-Regulation: A clear standard from Vedal could empower community self-moderation and improve chat etiquette.
• Shift Content Focus: Promoting wholesome art of the twins (Neuro and Evil) was suggested, e.g., Vedal retweeting such art.
• Victims Speaking Out: Some felt affected VTubers should speak up, though others, like simplep0tato, argued the onus shouldn't be on them as "If they need to then the damage is done".
• Platform-Specific Solutions: aurumkodexo suggested a separate Twitter tag for Vedal-specific fanwork.
• Address Clipper Influence: The role of clippers in fueling problematic shipping was noted as needing attention.

The overall sentiment is that the current shipping culture concerning Vedal has become problematic for many, necessitating intervention, ideally initiated by a clear stance from Vedal.

[cold axle]

bro

[rain pilot]

doing nothing is feeding the ship in the eyes of the shippers

[hard sable]

ah no what the hell

[simple birch]

Can I get a TLDR to the TLDR

[coarse crane]

[rain pilot]

thank you chatgpt

[pliant raft]

he literally said he wont police it

[storm sable]

💀

[amber roost]

And what happends in the discord

[quasi anchor]

"shipping is cringe ngl"

[unkempt kestrel]

You want a thorough TLDR of like 500 messages, there ya go

[lapis laurel]

Chatgpt probably virtually rolled its eyes generating that

[upper niche]

he also said we'd have a dev stream in april.

[hard sable]

Problem Acknowledged: Most participants agree that excessive and unsolicited Vedal shipping is problematic, described with terms like "weird" and "rancid".

[upper niche]

bro goes back on his word

[storm sable]

well it works, but vedal sure as hell would not read that

[pliant raft]

acting like he didnt just throws some rules at them and told them to moderate lol

[hard sable]

Yeah very necessary to be that long

[peak terrace]

this has been something to read

[hard sable]

rather than

[rain pilot]

and I think that mindset is wrong, you can disagree with the streamer you watch, shocking I know

[coarse crane]

While this is true, shipping was not nearly as bad when he made that stance

Things can change

[storm sable]

THERE IS LITERALLY NO POINT IN CONTINUING THIS THREAD

[carmine thistle]

I feel like it got way out of hand after this subathon because a lot of new people joined the community and the clips made them think this is just what we do whenever Vedal interacts with someone and it basically started a feedback loop

[storm sable]

EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT

[true lark]

while a good report that covers everything effectively, I somehow doubt Vedal will read this

[strong creek]

go to NN

[marble shale]

"summarize this Discord discussion. Make sure to suggest more devstreams."

[hard sable]

Problem Acknowledged: Most participants agree that shipping is excessive

[storm sable]

can we just close this

[drifting crown]

close

[amber roost]

No, we do know vedal has the final say on the rules you are just wrong

[red garden]

lol i agree it's free publicity but at the same time it's getting cringy to see

[true lark]

we are waiting on vedal to respond i think

[spark cradle]

I guess I had said everything that I had to say take care guys, I will be back here if Vedal appears

[lapis laurel]

We need a dev stream just about this. Not v3. Just shipping policy

[storm sable]

He can respond even after it's been closed

[simple birch]

He can respond in a closed thread

[cold axle]

bye bye have funn watching the stream everyone

[valid geode]

Money making market

[storm sable]

literally no point in keeping this open, it just brings unnecessary yap

[rain pilot]

yeah this is pretty clearly a vedal response bait thread now

[true lark]

oh I see. goodbye then, good talk everyone

[storm sable]

he's not gonna read all this, that's the point of the TLDR

[pine rivet]

I hate to be that guy but yeah, I think there's nothing else to be said. I see some nice points brought up but if Vedal chooses to read/respond to this, he will.