frank dagger
Neuro Adventures! Is a survivors-like set in the Neuroverse! It plays very similarly to other games in the genre, but with a twist: instead of one, you play as two characters. A Collab Partner which you control directly, and an AI that will follow the Collab Partner around.
Previous thread: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1184879711399190649
Link: https://kotgedev.itch.io/neuro-adventures
Github: https://github.com/KotgeDev/Neuro-Adventures
Roadmap: https://kotgedev.notion.site/49d38be1cf77473c845807b16c6c2a72?v=53b54afd0b424adf91373cdd17823fa3
wild cypress
First 
regal kayak
This server is gonna be a mess for a while with all these migrations happening
cinder jay
third
or fourth or fifth depending on who exactly you count
regal kayak
I may have detected an issue with this new forum
It has the stupid thread disappearance time at 3 days instead of 7 like the two others
I hate that one single feature
wild cypress
Comment for the algorithm 
cinder jay
all hail the algorithm
frank dagger
Final art will probably be pixel art
Also making some progress on the balancing, hoping it works out well.
regal kayak
Hopefully that bug fix I've been waiting for a few weeks comes out soon
wild cypress
Would be pretty sick if there was a way to unlock the non-pixel art version. Like some kind of secret you need to discover, or an achievement you need to unlock. Maybe a secret achievement
regal kayak
Silly
frank dagger
<:welldoneneuro:1289489292921667676> Hopefully that bug fix I've been waiting fo...
I found the bug I may be dum
uploading rn
along with exps updating and collectibles despawning
done, should be fixed.
Hoping to get the massive rebalance update out by the end of the month, but as I said before, could take more time depending on the situation.
at least, my motivation is starting to recover 
rare sphinx
It might be crazy what i'm about to ask, but do you think this project (or similar) could be extend to more indie vtubers in the future?
cinder jay
you've asked this so many times already
idk Kotge's answer for sure, but I assume Kotge wants to keep this particular game as only about Neuro and other vtubers related to her, but someone else could make a similar game about indie vtubers if they wanted.
correct me if I'm worng, Kotge
rare sphinx
you've asked this so many times already
idk Kotge's answer for sure, but I assu...
Did I?
Omg, I did.
I officially have Alzheimer...
Anyway, the question was more like if anyone here had a plan like that for the future.
frank dagger
Oh, as I said, I do plan on adding more indie vtubers in the future, mini being the next character.
Though, of course, it would be only those within the 'Neuroverse'
rare sphinx
Maybe unrelated, but I'd love that a general indie vtuber survivor game get popular even outside vtubers just like holocure.
Anyways, sorry for the annoyance
vagrant hill
Maybe unrelated, but I'd love that a general indie vtuber survivor game get popu...
they definitely exist out there, ive actually stumbled into a guy making of those by pure chance cuz he popped up in my youtube algo somehow
ive also started making a bit of one myself tho mine is also relatively neuro focused
rare sphinx
they definitely exist out there, ive actually stumbled into a guy making of thos...
Can you tell me who?
vagrant hill
Can you tell me who?
https://x.com/MalithTheOldMan
hes actually the one who drew some of the swarm assets i used during the game jam
X
frank dagger
idkwtfim doing but getting close to finishing with my balancing. Values have been altered, how directives work have been slightly reworked, with some being removed and new ones being added. Its is still on paper though, I still need to implement everything.
Adding some pretty interesting directives. Probably not going to be the best ones but they're gonna be pretty fun to use 
regal kayak
I need this thing back, my muscle memory for clicking on channels isn't working
wild cypress
I was thinking of bumping earlier
I miss when it would stick around for 7 days instead of 3 already
regal kayak
Yeah, I hate that change
Probably the worst thing about the server refactor and migration
wild cypress
Yeah, you're in like 20 billion projects so I can see how that would be annoying
regal kayak
At least some of them aren't here so not all of them require constant refreshes, but stuff like Neurolings collection and LIFE JP kinda do
vagrant hill
ya might just wanna save yourself a link to the thread somewhere else for easier finding
frank dagger
like 80% done, but knowing me, Ill most likely encounter a game-breaking bugs near the end of completion, and/or I end up feature-creeping, so probably best to assume 80-50 = 20% finished 
frank dagger
ive also started making a bit of one myself tho mine is also relatively neuro fo...
Oh yah Idk how useful it will be but feel free to use assets from Neuro Adventures! for your survivors project, its open-source for the most part.
regal kayak
Only the server side is not open-souce I believe
frank dagger
yah, and the discord logo, ofc.
rare sphinx
ive also started making a bit of one myself tho mine is also relatively neuro fo...
Seems like there are multiple neuro survivor games now.
wild cypress
like 80% done, but knowing me, Ill most likely encounter a game-breaking bugs ne...
While I do like new features, it might be better to make sure the balancing is in a good spot. I'm worried adding too much will throw it off again.
Save the feature creeping for the achievement update 
frank dagger
yah im just focusing on balancing rn
Directive balancing is pretty much done
and implemented. Weapons balancing is done on paper but I need to change the actual values
vagrant hill
nothing wrong with a few balance patches
wild cypress
Yeah, balance changes can be pretty exciting too. I often looked forward to them back when I used to play clash royale
frank dagger
As long as I did my math correctly now there should be several different viable 'endgame' builds possible
wild cypress
Well I guess we will have to wait and see how they are in practice. Even without knowing the changes, I do have something that I've wanted to try that wouldn't work in the current version
regal kayak
I need this back again
frank dagger
Really hoping to get it done by the end of the week
wild cypress
Bumps are gonna be a regular thing now I guess
Btw, you spelled transcendence wrong on the spreadsheet
Figured I should point it out before the update is out
frank dagger
oh thx
regal kayak
@frank dagger By the way, can you edit the thread and change the hide after inactivity setting to 7 days if it's not that yet?
wild cypress
So now that the spreadsheet has been updated with evil's upgrades, I figured I would give some first impressions on the AI upgrades. In other words, essay incoming
Overall, they seem much closer in power, and I think there's a good chance neuro might be stronger this time. Nothing stands out as super busted to me
Also, the biggest change by far is easily the nerf to their respective attack increase upgrades, meaning way less damage overall. They have more attacks though, so that should help balance it out
wild cypress
Evil: overall, lots of AOE attacks and has better survivability in terms of HP, healing, and summoning circle. She will probably struggle more with the boss than neuro, but better against regular enemies
Knife: honestly, no clue. I never really noticed how much of an impact it had before because enemies usually died before they got close enough.
Harpoon: definitely seems strong. I low-key think it will be about as good as metal pipes, but 
Fireball: it's been toned down a lot, but I still think it has potential to be pretty strong. The firing pattern change will at the very least make it more annoying to dodge, but atm i don't think it will change much otherwise
Pipes: this will be the main damage output due to the sheer number of pipes, but otherwise I don't really have anything to say.
Pizza: I don't really know what to think of this yet, but neuro's drones might be better. Pizza is bigger and has more damage, but is way slower. Idk how impactful the speed is though, so I'll have to wait and see
Soul stealer: a bit surprised there is no change, but it probably won't be as strong due to the attack upgrade nerf
Summoning circle: probably needed the nerf tbh, but should still be solid
Evil fumo: as much as I'd like to say this will be incredibly strong (much like shield in magic survival is), I can't say for sure yet. Also, the ability to store charges is only useful if she doesn't run into too many enemies, kinda like anny's stars.
Split due to character limit
Neuro: seems more well rounded than evil. Has good single target and AOE attacks, and follows you closer, making it easier to steer her around enemies.
Swords: much more noticeable than knife due to the AOE and manual aim. Due to being melee, it will likely be her least important attack (the cd might save it, but 
)
Angel wings: should be a bit easier to dodge now. Its main strength will be single target damage, similar to how fireball is at close range. Can still help against crowds a bit too.
Ten tin cans: will be really strong against a single target (provided you can aim well) and isn't terrible against crowds either.
Nuke: I still think this will be the strongest attack in terms of AOE damage overall, but a bit slow to rely on by itself.
Drone: lumped thoughts with Pizza
Lava lamp: less in number than nuke, but higher DPS while active. The healing is a bit hard to use unless you are already near it, and have 100% filter. With nuke she has pretty good AOE damage (though evil still seems better at that)
Gaslight: might be better than evil fumo. While it only blocks one attack, you can take hits more often. Both are definitely going to be strong, but I can see either one being stronger than the other.
Took me longer to type than i expected due to distractions, but I typed less than I thought I would
frank dagger
Really hoping to get it done by the end of the week
Hoping done in 3-4 days, but uni is coming up so idk. Im pretty much done implementing everything tho just some UI updates (you can see individual upgrade stats now ) and enemy balancing & difficulty curve.
frank dagger
Also, the biggest change by far is easily the nerf to their respective attack in...
Yah Iv carefully planned out the maximum possible damage, cooldown, etc.
Hoping this time around there are multiple possible endgame builds viable 
Iv designed some of them (obviously not gonna reveal them 
) and will test if they work before release
wild cypress
Hoping done in 3-4 days, but uni is coming up so idk. Im pretty much done implem...
Y'know, I hadn't thought about it until now, but hard would be pretty brutal with the current enemy balance. Challenge run
But having this information visible in game is nice. Might even help discover a bug or two in the future
wild cypress
Iv designed some of them (obviously not gonna reveal them <:colonthree:129105214...
Based on my experience with magic survival, 1 build stands out to me more than the others. I won't name it so you can't test it (unless you happen to be doing it already)
regal kayak
Taking ages
frank dagger
Yah uni starting has not helped 
still making progress thou, just ver slowly
wild cypress
It'll come out sometime this year. Surely you wouldn't start a subathon and set a 100k sub goal just to release it
frank dagger
Welp at least, all the development is complete. Im mainly just messing w numbers rn.
regal kayak
frank dagger
Fixed a couple bugs while playtesting hoping this time around I test enough so that I dont need to do a million smaller updates after publishing.
frank dagger
uploadin today (mabe)
regal kayak
frank dagger
Update out leaderboard still disabled, since there will probably still be slight numbers tweaking, but will be enabled very shortly
https://kotgedev.itch.io/neuro-adventures
@regal kayak @wild cypress
(please dm if you want in or out of this list)
regal kayak
wild cypress
frank dagger
really hoping no gamebreaking bug, I did playtest a lot of times and found none, but uhhh knowing me idk.
regal kayak
Is it leaderboard-enabled?
wild cypress
I'll probably play it tonight or tomorrow. Ive been playing too much STS and my hands are sore
frank dagger
oh gaslight & evil fumo not here for this update, gonna push it to the next along with some other more upgrades.
I should also try th game, seen and play it but never had myself
regal kayak
I'll probably play it a bit and after that mess with more NeuroSynth
NeuroSynth is very fun to mess with
wild cypress
I got it after watching neuro and evil play it. It came on sale late in May last year and I happened to have enough left on my steam account
regal kayak
NeuroSynth is very fun to mess with
Also I guess let me know if you think you could have a use for it, it's very powerful
regal kayak
NeuroSynth is a true vocal synthesizer model for Neuro
No more RVC, we're going TrueSynth
frank dagger
hem, will keep in mind
oh yah since gamedev general exists I probably should find some playtesters there
tho I think ill make a survey first for people to fill out so that data gathering for the patches can be more organized
regal kayak
I definitely like the new UI
regal kayak
Funny
Was normal mode ever tested? I'm not seeing the boss spawn and I'm pretty sure I'm on normal mode
And I'm at level 28 already
regal kayak
The boss did end up spawning
And it's completely immobile
Here's a feature that would be fun: continue in endless, continue any normal mode run to endless mode
regal kayak
Not getting the oranges upgrade for 33 levels in a row is very annoying
Oh, somehow the same thing showed up twice at once
Happened twice in a row
Guess the lowest attack is now just the middle one but null, cool
And I still don't have any filter or oranges
This build is very broken
Pipes also have way too big hitboxes, I died to one like this far away
And getting oranges and filter in endless mode is somehow just not happening
The upgrade bug with the nulls seems to presist across runs
Seems like after a while of running somehow a lot of upgrades just become impossible to get potentially, and the game just gets more broken the longer it runs
regal kayak
Welp, there are multiple gamebreaking bugs
Upgrading shock magnet at least doesn't feel like it does anything
regal kayak
Here's one plus for this build: the performance is the best yet
regal kayak
Does this mean cooldown reduction just does nothing?
frank dagger
Okwtf 
how did I not encounter anny of these bugs while playtesting
Oh err for the boss being immobile I fixed that one already
But prob best not update till iv fixed the other bugs
Which first I should think of how to re create since I havent encountered them yet
Gonna assume some last minute change I made broke everything cause before that everything worked fine
frank dagger
Funny
Chose an arbitrary large number since I cant have +infinite peirve
Mabe I change to +727 for even more funni
frank dagger
Okwtf <:neuroCry:1172252086294028319> how did I not encounter anny of these bugs...
ok i still can't seem to recreate the null bug im so lost
frank dagger
Seems like after a while of running somehow a lot of upgrades just become imposs...
some (not all, the null stuff is a bug) is intended. There is a soft-level cap at beyond lvl24 in which endless upgrades are entered to the pool which means you are more likely to get endless upgrades then normal ones, so you have to pick and choose your upgrades carefully.
I should prob add this in the descriptions section
rare sphinx
Okwtf <:neuroCry:1172252086294028319> how did I not encounter anny of these bugs...
That's why we're here
frank dagger
might have identified the issue, hoping this fixes it
frank dagger
ok nvm i still can't reacreate the bug
just hoping it was an export problem and export this
ill export a consol version too tho so if it happens again the error messege can be posted
done
frank dagger
Upgrading shock magnet at least doesn't feel like it does anything
vfx for it has been removed temporarily until I animate it (prev one broke cause of a refractor I did) but the collection range should still increase.
uploaded the fixes
for anyone playtesting please use the console version if possible
btw view lvl now shows all of the stats explicitly
frank dagger
(made nother small patch)
did a lot of playtesting so if something is still broken idk how to find it so plz use the console ver if possible
regal kayak
*some* (not all, the null stuff is a bug) is intended. There is a soft-level cap...
I was genuinely just not getting any orange and filter upgrades for the entire run, had to restart the entire game for them to show up again
frank dagger
ok welp that might be a bug then
hopefully the final update fixed it
cause I was able to get them pretty easily in this patch
regal kayak
The game really breaks down after playing multiple long runs without restarting the process
regal kayak
vfx for it has been removed temporarily until I animate it <:NeuroSip:1235883833...
It does not feel any larger after upgrading it
regal kayak
ill try looking into the game restart
I don't think the game restart has anything to do with it, more likely the multiple long runs are the culprit
frank dagger
ok nvm a bug then
frank dagger
I don't think the game restart has anything to do with it, more likely the multi...
yah that
frank dagger
It does not feel any larger after upgrading it
hmm wird ill test more since I haven't touched the code that actually does this
frank dagger
I don't think the game restart has anything to do with it, more likely the multi...
does this bug persist in the latest patch?
I really can't seem to recreate it
regal kayak
I have not tested the latest patch, I still have a run on the background from the patch I got yesterday
Got too tired to finish it
frank dagger
if you ever get to playing the latest one, do tell me if it occurs again, tho I hope it does not
frank dagger
It does not feel any larger after upgrading it
ok I have tested and it does work, its just that the increase is so little it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Ill probably buff it.
(30 vs. 48)
or not idk with the directive you can get it up to 30 -> 54, so I think I might just increase the base collection range so its
35 -> 56
regal kayak
Silly
Definitely feels like it needs a slight buff
Isn't the max upgrade meant to be +60% though? 30 to 48 sounds very SMOL
frank dagger
+80% with the directive
regal kayak
I guess that might be 60% though
frank dagger
+60% upgrade alone
regal kayak
Silly
frank dagger
30 * 1.6 = 48 so not a huge increasw
30 * 1.8 = 54
Thinking wil make base 34 mabe
34 * 1.8 = 61.2
Difference should be notable at this point
regal kayak
Well, at least the game doesn't seem to have crashed after running over night paused
Also I can definitely say the performance in endgame no longer sucks
regal kayak
Also one more thing about yesterday's build, enemy scaling doesn't seem to be a thing or is too slow to be impossible/hard to keep up with, I can one shot everything
Literally had to try to die on purpose
@frank dagger The console build of the new build doesn't run
frank dagger
do you have both files in one area? case I think you need both
if not ill try export again
regal kayak
Oh? It needs both exactables?
frank dagger
think so
regal kayak
How very silly
frank dagger
not sure wy but apparently the case
regal kayak
Is the console thing just a debugger that hooks the executable or something
frank dagger
mabe yah
frank dagger
Also one more thing about yesterday's build, enemy scaling doesn't seem to be a ...
yah it didn't exist I forgot a i += 1
should be fixed in the one you downloaded tho
regal kayak
Silly pixel Neuron
regal kayak
I'm about 90% sure there's a bug that makes random upgrades not accessible after a few runs
I've got no fireballs over 60+ levels across multiple runss
frank dagger
no error msg or anything?
ok might hav found the issue
uploading fix rly soon
I stupidly changed a variable that should not be touched outside the class 
ig this is why private variables are a thing but Godot doesn't have them outside of conventions.
regal kayak
Silly
frank dagger
mabe i should start using those conventions but too much refractoring
ima just add setters and have it push an error if I do something stupid
ok not possible apparently ig I just start using the convention from now on
regal kayak
Extra silly
frank dagger
updated!
hopefully the last of the patches
when I playtested I completely restarted instead of replaying from the same instance so prob why it took so long to catch this
regal kayak
I guess now you know to test a lot more thoroughly for issues that come up after multiple consecutive runs
frank dagger
def yah
and use the private var convention
kinda too late to apply to this project so just gonna add comments
telling myself pls do not us this variable outside of class
frank dagger
They kinda dont exist
The convention is to put _ at the start of the variable name
Like _var and just pretend its private
regal kayak
Silly
frank dagger
https://forms.gle/Y5agRm5pEXUEARJc8
Made this to collect data anyone have suggestions on the questions before I find more playtesters??
regal kayak
I don't like Google stuff
I'm not touching it
frank dagger
idk what els to use other then google forms but I figured
wild cypress
i haven't played the update yet (i'm about to)
i'll take a look at it after a couple runs
frank dagger
oh not rly accepting replies yet I wanna know if the questions are ok before I go asking for playtesters
I think I got most of what I need to ask tho
wild cypress
one thing i want to say is i really like the new logo
frank dagger
thanks, wanted to do it for a while but never got to it
wild cypress
well that doesn't add up
frank dagger
should be -2.5
I may hav err typo
will fix in nex patch since its minor
https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/18oi67n/neuro_adventures_demo_holocure_but_neuro/ Lol found video about the old UI, think I improved a lot.
wild cypress
i mean the inital stats. isn't that level 1?
frank dagger
yah it should be +5% and -2.5
wild cypress
also thats neuro
jolly star
Is the character select screen supposed to have images?
wild cypress
this is evil's
frank dagger
yah both (Neuro / Evil) of them are wrong
should be
AI ATK: +5%
AI chase radius +2.5
wild cypress
but when you get an upgrade it's at level 1, no? so shouldn't level 1 be the same as inital stats?
wild cypress
soul stealer shows old inital and final stats
frank dagger
but when you get an upgrade it's at level 1, no? so shouldn't level 1 be the sam...
yah it should I updated the levels for some of these
but forgot to for the description
wild cypress
thats all i found while looking at the upgrades
frank dagger
updated them for the next patch
hoping the next one will be the one I can finally turn the leaderboard back on
wild cypress
i'm gonna actually start a run now. i have the console up and running
frank dagger
Current Roadmap
1.5 Directive Update Complete! 
-- 
--
1.6 Achievement Update (for real this time)
**-- --
1.7 ARG Map & Mini Update
wild cypress
so i maaaay have found another bug 
frank dagger
hoping the next one will be the one I can finally turn the leaderboard back on
this was a lie
wild cypress
i only leveled up once so far. rum and filtered are level 2
so upgrades start at level 2
wild cypress
also, filtered and shock magnet only display level and not stats
frank dagger
yah those I haven't added data yet
wild cypress
ah
frank dagger
I probably should, but the reasoning was you can already see your filter anyways
wild cypress
fair enough
frank dagger
ill still put it prob, just later, put it off for now since not urgent
wild cypress
i got dual swords and it has the level 2 bug too. the rest i had to start
frank dagger
welp
for some reason
I put a +1 on the stats panel lvl
idk why
I am actually so confused at myself
so its really level 1
ill wait abit incase you find a bug that affects the game since these are mostly visual for the patch
frank dagger
idk why
ohhhhhhh
I just copied and pasted this part from the part where you upgrade, and that has to show +1 since it shows what you will be getting, not the current lvl
smh
wild cypress
frank dagger
consequences of copy pasting I should have double checked the code
wild cypress
i ded
mostly because i let my guard down a bit too much lol
i only got 3 of the directives i wanted too
i was missing the most important 2
i did find a red directive card with 3 red options, but it didnt give me the one i was still looking for
btw, how do i share the console log? it's too long to copy paste
frank dagger
err did you find any (serious game breaking) bugs
if not no need
if yes you will need to find that error in the log
wild cypress
i'll just screenshot part of it. it's mostly the same message over and over
this is pretty much the whole thing from what i saw
frank dagger
yah ok nice
wild cypress
it goes on of course
regal kayak
I assume those warnings are just the damaged enemies dying before the show damage animation can complete
frank dagger
pretty much I think.
wild cypress
from a quick scroll through, i didnt find a different warning aside from the 2 above
gonna take a break before a second run
regal kayak
Oh how silly, your iGPU doesn't have OpenGL 3.3
wild cypress
yeah, my pc isn't the best
btw, the performance was the best ive had since i first played last year. no noticeable dips as time went on
regal kayak
Same for me, just a locked 165 FPS experience
Literal perfection
Except of course the level bar bug
wild cypress
welp, i have 4 of the 5 directives i want
wait nvm
im still missing 2 lol
one is only a very slight improvement tho
frank dagger
gonna send the first test score for 1.5 and see if it works
(will be available starting next patch)
wild cypress
i got the last major directive i needed
the last one is like 1% better lol
also, as i expected, my build is laggy
frank dagger
hmm 
? if not im curious as to what else
oh tho I also got pretty fast killtime with drones
wild cypress
my cooldown is only at 40% rn
i got the last directive
also, sound effects cant seem to keep up
ok, i have too much cd
its laggy to the point its as if the cd applied to the enemies and myself. very dangerous on a low framerate
my directives
regal kayak
<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922> (will be available starting next patch)
Massive score
frank dagger
May hav to nerf some of these directives not because they're necesarily overpowerd but as of lag
thought -60% max cd red. will be manageable but apprently not
might make the max -40%
its a feature actually, high cooldown results in lower framerate, leading to higher danger
wild cypress
the lag got to me
i had 0 issues killing things
i got down to 6-7 fps for the last 5-10 or so minutes
also, sound effects finally stopped playing just now
the build was around ten tin cans, cd, and atk constant mainly, with some other helpful things
i didn't even need much aoe
if i had to pick a song to describe the build, it would be this https://youtu.be/8Gwaoiv_Ip4?si=Ht3mDIT0yKU98bq2
i did find one thing that might be a bug. if you have the stat menu of an upgrade open when you resume playing, when you pause and go back to the stat screen, the upgrades stats are still up
wild cypress
May hav to nerf some of these directives not because they're necesarily overpowe...
keep in mind, my pc is lower specwise than superbox's, and i'd imagine lower than yours too
crap, i forgot to look at the console before i closed the game
frank dagger
crap, i forgot to look at the console before i closed the game
as long as the game didn't break it prob wouldn't hav been necesary
wild cypress
I was curious lol
frank dagger
also, sound effects finally stopped playing just now
this sounds somewhat terrifying
yah gonna make max cd reduction 40%, want this to also work on relatively lower end computers
wild cypress
Cd is kinda busted in general, so that's probably for the best
Like, 10% cd vs a 10% damage multiplier, cd is better as it also applies to defensive upgrades. It doesn't help drones though, so it's not all powerful
frank dagger
yah updated so max is -40%, and max from directives is -32%
wild cypress
Basically, gaslight and evil fumo benefit from cd (even tho they aren't in-game yet)
frank dagger
portal & dm allegations should also benefit
wild cypress
Well yeah, but I'm speaking from my experience playing magic survival lol. Shield and cloaking are basically the best defense in the game
Another possibility to fix the lag is make it so the cd of certain attacks begins after they finish firing
Like ten tin cans. It would start firing a second round of bullets before the first 18 finished
As for DM allegations, it has anti-synergy with harmony. It only keeps me safe, and with 100% filter it only protects me from enemies. with neuro being so close behind me, she is likely to run into them.
Its more useful for insurgency builds, and if you tell them to sit, but otherwise it doesn't do much I find
wild cypress
i died right after screenshotting that out of bounds exp lol (btw, i was able to pick it up)
i was gonna do a insurgency run but it never showed up. still did pretty well though
it took a bit before i started to feel the scaling, but they go zoom now
wild cypress
Btw, if you are still looking for achievement ideas, how's this?
SAVED
Beat any map with 5% HP or less remaining on either character
frank dagger
Btw, if you are still looking for achievement ideas, how's this?
SAVED
Beat any...
Need a lot of achievement ideas still, thanks
frank dagger
it took a bit before i started to feel the scaling, but they go zoom now
Hem do you think its OK or mabe should be increased ?
frank dagger
leaderboard turn on patch going up soon 
frank dagger
uploaded!
https://forms.gle/N43jPxLfm1DJQVRo6
Ill be accepting feedback for the next update if anyone is interested you can also just type out any suggestions / feedback instead if you don't want to fill the survey
wild cypress
am downloading it now
wild cypress
welp, first run done. got sniped and one shot by the boss
gonna wait for after the stream to play more. my wrist needs a break lol
i took a look at the form, and i think i'll play a bunch more games so i can get a better feel for some things
i just realized. i died literally 1 second later than my run with evil yesterday 
wild cypress
the upgrade menu says level 4 is +2 attack, but thats what level 3 gives
wild cypress
so i am still getting performance issues as the game goes on even with low cd. i don't think i had any issues when i played with anny and evil yesterday, but i only played one game with them though, so i'll test that out tomorrow
frank dagger
bug found. i had synergy and insurgency at the time
hem ig I forgot you can get really lucky and get multiple special directives before the red one spawns uploading fix soon
along with tentincans description update
done
will just show less cards now instead of <null>
and fixed stuff so that you need four red directives before that happens, not two.
wild cypress
so i do get performance issues with evil too. it becomes more noticeable around the third boss i think. also around the time where the scaling starts to ramp up
Btw, I haven't seen nere appear a single time yet. I've seen every other directive several times. I also reroll more often than not, so there might be a problem with her ai
regal kayak
Some of these scores are already very crazy
frank dagger
Btw, I haven't seen nere appear a single time yet. I've seen every other directi...
Hem I have found it so it might just be luck
But ill check the code
frank dagger
so i do get performance issues with evil too. it becomes more noticeable around ...
Hmm, even with normal cooldown?
Wonder what causes the performance inconsistency since I haven't changed anything that may affect performance in these patches
regal kayak
Hem I have found it so it might just be luck <:neuroMahiro:1306470070842818591>
I've had it many times too
regal kayak
Wonder what causes the performance inconsistency since I haven't changed anythin...
Maybe just low-end hardware on the end user's part?
Not everyone has a 12700K to run the game
frank dagger
Possibly. Still wish to optimize if possible
Might try testing on my lower end university laptop and not my gaming one.
regal kayak
Well, who knows where there's optimizations possible at this point outside of moving logic to native code
There's probably small stuff at least, you'll have to somehow profile what functions take the longest to execute
And what functions get called the most
frank dagger
Godot has a profiler to see whats taking the most so Ic find it yah
regal kayak
frank dagger
This is also how I reached the current optimization, such as realizing that the Area2D overlap takes lots of computing
regal kayak
At some point you will definitely run out of GDS optimizations and will have to look into lower level optimizations probably
Converting from GDS (interpreted) to something compiled could potentially already do something
wild cypress
Well i stay above 20 fps for at least half an hour which is good enough for me, but it does become harder to play once it starts dipping below that. I can power through it to an extent though
Btw, there's a chance the neuro adventures logo will be on art review today
So, how many recordings do I have in my neuro adventures folder? Any guesses?
regal kayak
Btw, there's a chance the neuro adventures logo will be on art review today <:ne...
Is it tagged with Evil?
wild cypress
Oh, I kinda wasn't paying attention when reading the schedule
I thought it was the same as the past few weeks for some reason
frank dagger
So, how many recordings do I have in my neuro adventures folder? Any guesses?
Hemm 20?
wild cypress
223 
wild cypress
Though a couple of them are just me pressing record then ending it. I have most runs since I decided to start recording them
29.8GB
So probably about 7.5% of my total hard drive space
Tbh, I thought it would be more
regal kayak
SMOL
wild cypress
I mean, it's just over 38 hours worth, compared to almost a month long subathon likely in 1080p I assume
regal kayak
I mean, it's just over 38 hours worth, compared to almost a month long subathon ...
Yeah, I have the subathon in the exact same form it came out of Twitch, using the "best" quality setting
wild cypress
I use the high quality, medium file size option on OBS, which is the smallest it gets. So probably like 480 or maybe 720p
regal kayak
Interesting
I just do streamlink https://twitch.tv/vedal987 best -o "[out-path]"
regal kayak
There's a bug in the game where the same card in the directives menu can be displayed twice (Synthesis in this case)
regal kayak
And it can happen to multiple cards at once
I now have 2 copies rendered of Synthesis AND Performance
regal kayak
Pretty sure the bug is only visual
frank dagger
Yah I found it too, tryna fix it but it only happens from time so hard to recreare 
regal kayak
Silly
regal kayak
Awaiting updates
frank dagger
been too busy recently with uni starting and all. Probably no updates for a while
frank dagger
And it can happen to multiple cards at once
I now have 2 copies rendered of Synt...
(I'm still gonna try fix this visual bug tho)
regal kayak
Silly
wild cypress
regal kayak
Silly
frank dagger
frozen cradle
this has been very fun to play 
Im so glad to have found it!
wild cypress
Dang, those scores are 60 points off of each other
I should play again soon. I barely played this patch because STS still has a grip on me
waxen hawk
Has this project been abandoned?
regal kayak
I don't think so, Kotge is just highly busy
frank dagger
Yah still school + focusing on art rn. Have break in a month tho so you might start seeing more progress then.
frank dagger
two weeks till' I'm free and hopefully make some progress on the elusive achievements update 
Once break starts I might, like, set a week where I hyperfixate and work on nothing but this project so I can get both the achievements, minikomew, and finally ARG maps done 
week-long game jam, but its for an update, not whole game
regal kayak
Once break starts I might, like, set a week where I hyperfixate and work on noth...
Remember to test the server for the functionalities I asked you to test it for at some point
I forgor what I even added
frank dagger
Achievement saving 
regal kayak
Oh yeah, that thing
regal kayak
Note: temporary server unavailibility: Windows died so now in the process of setting up Linux, current service status:
regal kayak
@frank dagger For later when I need to test, is there a Linux native build?
Of the game client
frank dagger
Rn, no. I can try make one tomarrow
regal kayak
Well, I could really use one, I might be getting HTTPS certificates and the server operational today, except that the one sword PNG won't be accessible for a while until I rewrite the Neuro rants host software
-# I may or may not borrow code for that from Neuro adventures' server
regal kayak
Neuro adventures server may now be online, awaiting a Linux client to test and validate
frank dagger
Neuro adventures server may now be online, awaiting a Linux client to test and v...
should be on the project page now
regal kayak
should be on the project page now
Leaderboard is disabled in this
I need a build with leaderboard enabled
frank dagger
Leaderboard is disabled in this
hoped I got the correct one but ig not. alr don't have the computer with the fixed build rn but ill try upload in around 3 days
regal kayak
Welp, guess I'll confirm that it works later
regal kayak
Awaiting
frank dagger
Ok so iv checked and the windows version has the leaderboard activated
So I'm really unsure why the linux version does not
This is what I get if I try accessing the leaderboard from the windows ver.
Does the linux ver have the leaderboard button not able to press at all? Cause the only reason wy that might occur is if the prod . cfg file is missing.
@regal kayak ^ theres a cpl things I can try depending on how exactly the leaderboard fails to work
regal kayak
Does the linux ver have the leaderboard button not able to press at all? Cause t...
Yeah, not able to press at all
regal kayak
This is what I get if I try accessing the leaderboard from the windows ver.
Can you check what exactly the server is returning?
regal kayak
Since this setup I have now is a bit, weird, I'm gonna need to know what data the server is returning, if any, so I can even remotely begin to debug that thing
frank dagger
Can you check what exactly the server is returning?
Alr doin a gamejam rn but soon as I get som time ill check
regal kayak
Alright
HTTPS is more complex on here so it may take some tries to get it right
-# Just changed a config, no clue if that'll help but hopefully it will
regal kayak
I guess I will continue awaiting
regal kayak
Another small config change, I'll wait for you to try again
frank dagger
exact same results
is mabe the address I'm using (neuros.click:8727/leaderboard) wrong?
regal kayak
The server software hasn't changed, it should still be identical
The only thing is that it now has to run with the Nginx proxy so I need to figure out how to get it to work
Hmm
regal kayak
@frank dagger I did some research, turns out I was taking input wrong, it may now function better, and appears responsive on my end
You should try it and check if it works now
regal kayak
I guess time to once again wait
regal kayak
Oh great, switching around dispatchers also fixed backups
regal kayak
Testing this would be so much easier with a Linux client
frank dagger
yah no exact same results ...
Ill attempt some stuff a couple days later on my end to see if this is a client issue
regal kayak
Hm
Still?
Whuh
I thought it'd work now
Huh
Something is clearly still wrong with something in the server
@frank dagger Try now, I restarted the server because that seems to make it responsive again
I need to figure out what's making it unresponsive, worst case I just make the backups and stuff use separate threads
Oh
I guess something is wrong with whatever this stupid Nginx thing is doing
frank dagger
regal kayak
Nginx makes the server unresponsive
Any time it tries to communicate with it
Somehow
Hm
It seems to work in editor mode somehow??
But not when compiled
Hmm
@frank dagger Now it seems consistently responsive, try now
frank dagger
works
regal kayak
Hopefully it also keeps working as well
frank dagger
thanks yipee
regal kayak
I threw the backup stuff on a separate thread entirely
I guess I need to get GitHub stuff installed on this thing at some point so I can push the changes
Now time to set up the Neuro adventures server autorun
Neuro adventures server should now automatically start with the system
And now to wait for a Linux client so I can play the game properly again
frank dagger
Does the one in itch not work at all?
regal kayak
It runs, but no leaderboard
frank dagger
Hmm ill attempt another export tom. Most likely an issue with the linux client not being able to find the prod config file
uneven pier
Neuro Adventures! Is a survivors-like set in the Neuroverse! It plays very simil...
There’s nothing really to be set in the Neuroverse. It’s not a place or anything That’s cool though man, this is an interesting idea.
frank dagger
thanks for the interest!
I mean more like Neuro & Friends, the map is based on a stream though! More specifically Neuro's D&D collab with Snuffy!
Next map is gonna be on the ARG, if I get to working on it, that is
frank dagger
So how about that Linux client?
I think it should be fixed now
regal kayak
Guess I'll try
Ok, so it appears there is still some bug with the server
Everything is now its entirely own threaad, hopefully that works
regal kayak
Hm
Still broken
I have no clue how this works
I removed the input code entirely just to see if that fixes it somehow
regal kayak
Well, that didn't work
I have literally no idea what's going on, I'm gonna have to figure out what is causing this
regal kayak
Well now I just don't get it
I left it alone for a while and now it's somehow responsive again???? This Nginx thing must be cursed
regal kayak
Tested again in the morning, still somehow responsive
I have no clue how I would model this behavior pattern
regal kayak
And now it's unresponsive again
WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
wild cypress
Evil made it go 💥
regal kayak
I don't think that would be the case, how would that make the server randomly unresponsive?
wild cypress
Uuh, she ate through the wifi cables which caused an electrical fire and resulted in a boom 
regal kayak
My PC is working fine, something is wrong with either Nginx or the server software, and I can't tell which
regal kayak
Hmm
Trying something new for a change, this time I'm making absolutely 100% sure every connection is getting closed
regal kayak
Another random change: replace executor with a non-default one
regal kayak
Still responsive, hopefully this is the one
rare sphinx
Gotta write down the time of every time it changes. Maybe there's a pattern.
regal kayak
Or maybe changing the executor fixed it
regal kayak
It's still responsive, I'm really hoping the executor was it
regal kayak
So far so good, maybe it was actually the executor
regal kayak
It's really seeming like that was it
regal kayak
Still running, so it seems to have been it
regal kayak
@frank dagger It's been long enough, I can now say with 99% confidence that the server is functional
carmine knoll
