What's wrong with the youtube banner ?

[sterile fog]

First, I know that i'm kinda blowing this out of proportion by making a thread about it.

I just want to point that one of the biggest Neuro gimmick got replaced (the label where is Evil currently was "gymbag smell" on the old banner). I also find maddening the fact that unoriginal/inaccurate labels like "wide eyes" or "very positive" got spared while "gymbag smell" got scrapped despite being a big part of Neuro's identity.
I know it's probably not Vedal's doing but probably the people who take cares of the yt channel.

Anyways while i'm at it i got a suggestion :
Why not replace "very positive" by "very assertive" ? I thinks it fits Neuro way more than this uncoherent adjective

[craggy kite]

Yeah it really sucks tbh and wide eyes just say blue eyes

[livid moss]

I really don't care how, I just want gymbag smell back on there

cuz it does feel kinda disrespectful to neuro history

and identity

[flat hinge]

replace wide eyes with gymbag smell, everything else is fine

[craggy kite]

Honestly yeah

[livid moss]

or just slap it somewhere else, really any solution is fine

small change, big difference

[flat hinge]

they’re gonna have to change it again when Evil gets her model so that’s good

very positive is fine, i don’t think it’s inaccurate

[alpine scaffold]

I support this

[craggy kite]

The full pic i see

[pure zealot]

lmao this thread is very funny.

[craggy kite]

I do think

Gymbag should stay since it is something important to give neuro a feature

A basis

Or whatever its called

[vital sky]

Eh I sort of think the gymbag meme has become more irrelevant, but to be fair, I only engaged with the streams around June so I'm not attached to it.
I support the more pragmatic, less soulful approach of making a better first impression and not referring to Neuro's scent.

[vital sky]

gimmick? trait?

I do also dislike the generic labels like 'wide eyes' and 'very positive'. Disappointed Vedal didn't take the opportunity to pick more apt descriptors. Maybe you could alternatively do quick-witted for the mouth?
I like the 'very assertive' suggestion

[flat hinge]

i agree but also gymbag smell has more meaning than the other more arbitrary descriptors so it makes sense people want it back

[cosmic whale]

meanwhile the twitter banner hasnt changed, either he forgot or this is some covert AB testing

[zinc sandal]

Things like “loves vedal” and “gymbag smell” are barely relevant to current neuro though

[tardy mulch]

Also the loves vedal part isn't even true these days, how many times has she wanted to dispose of him

is there a term for a relationship where half the time you want vedal dead and the other half you love him to death

it's not yandere

[zinc sandal]

A tsundere?

[tardy mulch]

not tsundere either

[zinc sandal]

Bipolar disorder?

[tardy mulch]

yeah that lines up

[livid moss]

by that logic anything neuro does is irrelevant
because it will be forgotten in days
Gymbag rant is base of neuro
It's an anchor, the beginning
I don't want to sound like broken record of "OH current neuro is horrible and we should all go back to great V1"
But I draw my line at the gymbag, there's too much culture attached to it to just forget

hell everything V1 related could get nuked of this earth and I wouldn't be bothered
but I draw line at the gymbag

[zinc sandal]

Affectionate neuro erasure

[tender vigil]

it was never really relevant to neuro, she said gymbag rant once, it got popular and all the other mentions were purely because of other people, not her. It's entirely community thing, not neuro thing. If you want something that's actually about neuro go for being a goddess or ranting in general.
Don't base her whole image on one clip

[livid moss]

yes it is a community thing and that's the point
neuro V2 design had a gymbag, swarm for good while had depiction of being drone gymbags, has gymbag candy bag

Im not basing her whole image on one clip

im saying that one clip is vital to today's neuro, because it basically marks true beginning of neuro as a vtuber

[tender vigil]

the beginning of neuro as a vtuber was her playing osu!, not a random clip

besides I don't see hiyori on the banner, I see current neuro

[sterile fog]

brother she literally was an osu bot before becoming a vtuber, it's these clips that made her popular as a vtuber

[tender vigil]

exactly, clips, not a singular clip

[tender vigil]

brother

[sterile fog]

Yeah and ? the Gymbag one is the most popular of them all.

[tender vigil]

and she became popular in big part because of osu community because she was playing osu!

[tender vigil]

and?

she would become popular either way, with or without gymbag

[zinc sandal]

I think the sentiment is “yes but it’s hard to imagine a world without it”

[tender vigil]

just focusing on one clip and saying it's why she become popular is just erasing her whole being an actually entertaing vtuber
besides, if I had to choose the one most impactful thing that would be her being banned

[craggy kite]

But saying it didn't add to her getting popular is not true either

[livid moss]

Its just an important part of neuro culture that I think should be preserved
It survived trial of time this long and can be called iconic at this point

[craggy kite]

People can block whoever they like also pinging doesn't work

I do feels is more with the demeanor you showed with expressing those opinions

Anyways thats offtopic

[tender vigil]

I would keep it on topic but apparently some people are too uncomfortable with that

bye

[craggy kite]

Ok?

[craggy kite]

Probably its the fact an editor like maybe joker? Can push for it more easyly

Since vedal is still in vacation

[cosmic whale]

well @fickle vine is on the server, why don't we ask him to clarify?

[craggy kite]

Pinging him?

Geez

[cosmic whale]

its the most direct option

[craggy kite]

I Guess so

It just feels scary

[cosmic whale]

I'd rather get answers than speculation

[livid moss]

[flat hinge]

it’s just a common case of people associating things with Neuro that come from their image of her rather than Neuro herself, you are right in saying that gymbag isn’t or wasn’t really relevant to Neuro but i’d advocate for it purely because of how much it relates to the community. when you have something like Neuro where nothing is concrete people grasp on to anything even if in time it will fade.

[cosmic whale]

don't you buh me, this thread is just a speculation thread turned into complain thread, if there is some kind of unilateral branding decision that's going on I want an answer as to why. and the people that manage the page is right here

[sterile fog]

Like i was just pointing that what made Neuro popular is not only the fact that she was an osu bot (that was way before her vtuber era), that it was also her insane rants with her vtuber avatar.

Like of course the OSU! community played a big role, but we're talking about memory and memorable things. Not popularity only.
I just don't like that you think that just because it's just a single thing and too far in the past it has to be discarded and forgotten.
In this case everything who only appeared/occurred one time in history has to be forgotten ?
They are not called "events" for nothing

[flat hinge]

it was always a complaint thread

[livid moss]

-# ig true

[craggy kite]

Also a thing i find problematic of gymbag going away is what does substitute in terms of functionality? Since there isn't really any other representation of the userbase apart from gymbag

[livid moss]

You got drones

Though gymbag is way more iconic and original

[craggy kite]

That could be any aituber

Even mother v3

[sterile fog]

besides, these rants came from Neuro directly. And they were insane/original enough to make it to where they are today.
OSU! is kinda different from it because it's like a "tool", i don't know how to describe it how i want, but it definitely helped Neuro to become popular but it served more as a "support" for her rants and actions.

It's all of this combined that made her popular, the best example of this is the chicken nugget recipe clip. It's this rant + the timing of the loud OSU music that made this clip popular.

[craggy kite]

Every vtuber related to technology will have drones but gymbags?

[loud trellis]

if people dislike a simple banner change that has new/different things on it then
i guess neuro is never going to have a V3 voice because it wont sound anything close or similar to V1

just accept the change it cant stay the same forever smh

[zinc sandal]

Can we go back to 2023 thx

[quartz hazel]

yes, we are "drones with gymbags", I guess it is now our thing

[quartz hazel]

I guess she just got rid of gymbag smell by changing the model

I haven't heard anything about gymbags during the subathon, I can only assume that those gimmicks are about her current model. There was a thing about "loves Vedal(her creator)", but now she doesn't(?)

[wintry linden]

Oh no, they removed a joke from 3 years ago from the youtube banner 💀 Come on. Let new things come through. plus, it's a banner for those who've never seen neuro before, not made for those that have been watching for 3 years. Hazard makes a good point also.

[livid moss]

Let new things through, yet barely anything has been changed
If it was changed completely this wouldn't even be an issue probably

[livid moss]

And here's the thing we're arguing to keep something from past, not refusing change

There is a difference

[wintry linden]

To make change... requires making space by removing the past, unless you want something complicated and messy.

[wintry linden]

Mars would've started this thread even if it was an entire change, as long as it didn't have gym bag smell on it

[livid moss]

But you can't know, can you?

[wintry linden]

I can make an educated guess from mars personality

[livid moss]

This is far from complicated and messy

[wintry linden]

This is not his first doompost

[wintry linden]

I'm saying if you keep everything from the past and don't change out anything, it will be complicated and messy. Imagine like 50 points on that banner lol

We're talking about the banner, you know

Objectively it would get messy

[livid moss]

And why is wide eyes of all things there? What does that say about neuro more than gymbag smell? You could replace that. Simple as, everyone is happy and nothing of value is lost

[wintry linden]

don't know. I was only speaking about gym bag smell being replaced

Not by what

I think it's just a description of her physical appearance so

Not so much thought needed there

[livid moss]

Very positive, smug and evil sister aren't really a physical appearance

Okay smug maybe is

[wintry linden]

'attributes', then

[livid moss]

It could be considered an attribute

Either way, gymbag deserves to be due to its cultural importance
Gymbag is only thing that stayed consistent over the years within the fanbase.
And only thing that links neuro to V1 these days.
Calling it irrelevant or outdated really just feels disrespectful to neuro history and this community as a whole

[wintry linden]

Again, I believe the banner is for people who have never seen neuro. Making niche references isn't something a new viewer would know or understand

So now it's easy to understand and holds generic info about her instead

I never said it was irrelevant lol

[livid moss]

You didn't

Other people in this thread did

[wintry linden]

Alright. I can only assume you're speaking to me right now though, and I don't speak for them : P

[livid moss]

As for it being for new viewers, sure, whatever. I don't have arguments on that and I'm going in circles anyway
So I'm going to stop yapping with a closing sentence.
It has scary implications, because throwing out the gymbag we might as well every cohesive neuro bit and in direction of "haha funny ai say funny sentence" and making entirety of neuroverse pointless

[wintry linden]

Not sure I understand your last point but yeah, we can leave it there

[low birch]

gymbag

im not gonna read all of this thread but i think that the gymbag should still have its place

doesn't have to be "gymbag smell"
i just don't want it to completely disappear, i like the concept of the swarm being flying gymbags, it genuinely holds sentimental value to me and probably many of the other old members

its even more "mature" of you to "call out people" for blocking you

if they disagree and they block you leave them alone its none of your business and you shouldn't be bitching about it loudly, this is about the removal of "Gymbag smell" and not whatever the hell you're complaining about

[onyx forum]

I think it's crucial to understand what the goal of the youtube banner even is, before discussing further.

If it were greatly focusing on pulling in new viewers, it makes sense to remove the gymbag smell, although it is undoubtedly disrespectful to neuro's history, identity and this community to an extent.
However if the focus wasn't really that tight on pulling in new viewers, additional space could be made for the gymbag smell, or one of the less fitting/relevant tags (like very positive or wide eyes) could be replaced.

Replacement wouldn't work if pulling in new viewers mattered to the youtube banner, because having those cute tags might be essential to getting them to check out neuro, as opposed to seeing "Gymbag Smell" which would definitely leave them

Me personally, I say the best compromise would be to find additional space to include gymbag smell, because then the other tags could do their job of pulling new viewers, and the gymbag smell could invoke curiosity, which also adds greatly to pull.

So you get the best of both worlds, history preserved and respected, new viewers attracted strongly.

I rest my case.

[wintry linden]

Is this entire community defined by a youtube banner? It seems more than 1 person is acting like they 1984'd the entire thing. It's a youtube banner you see maybe once a year, if even that.

Even marswatch mentioned, first sentence of his message: "First, I know that i'm kinda blowing this out of proportion by making a thread about it." Why is it being defended to death (genuine question)

[low birch]

well, references to "gymbags" are vanishing though, which is why this thread was even made in the first place

it might seem small to complain about a banner, but at this rate the gymbag will be part of "forgotten neuro history"

[high eagle]

I mean, it feels like gymbag's getting erased from the history of course people will defend it to keep the gymbag

[wintry linden]

If it's vanishing, isn't that more of a sign than anything that people are moving on?

Isn't that a defense that it should be removed then, because keeping it would mean staying out of touch if the banner is meant to "show neuro's attributes"?

[paper dune]

ye its not that deep

[low birch]

yeah sure, but i could also say that they removed it to (purposefully or not) make it "out of touch"

the gymbag was one of neuro's attributes and was removed with no purpose, thats whats not making sense here

same with the gymbag sub badges, they were removed but due to community pushback they were re-added for veterans

[high eagle]

If they want erase gymbag why do we have gymbag sub channel then, are we going to rename that channel too?
Remember vedal sold gymbag as merch too

[wintry linden]

My guess was that they wanted it to be a new viewer friendly panel of some generic attributes of neuros for someone looking at the channel, not some niche veteran only display art.

Aren't badges limited in quantity? It would make sense if they removed them to make space for something else. Imagine if every community just kept everything they did in the beginning, not letting anyone else in and not allowing for any expansion in new community things. That's how you kill a community really really fast, making it scary to enter the community.

Kinda sad that they crumbled to push back cause it clearly sets a precedence like here, but I suppose it is easier to appease than the alternative

[low birch]

nah, its actually great that they followed community feedback

its bad to just "always have new things" while discarding old stuff and its nice that at the very least these gymbag sub badges were kept while newer members still get to enjoy their new badges

also, no, its not limited, apparently a new slot appears on the dashboard every few months or so and you can choose what dates come for each badge

[pure zealot]

I don't think this matters all too much.

[low birch]

You're making this sound unnecessarily personal, calm the hell down

this kind of shit is why this channel doesnt have the discussion tag anymore, people like you talk shit allllll the time instead of providing valuable input or at the very least speaking in a respectful manner

theres a difference between saying "this sounds like a nothing burger" compared to "dawg shut the fuck up your opinion is useless and you should touch grass"

[pure zealot]

you are right, sorry.

[wintry linden]

This is exclusive to Marswatch doomposts because 100% of the time from what I've seen, it's on things that matter so little that it borderlines trolling, don't try to spin it as an "everytime" problem.

What he said is for the most part true, but it can be said in a more respectful manner for sure

[wintry linden]

Panzon got the right idea

Be like Panzon 👍

[low birch]

i do also agree that sometimes members of this community do overexaggerate a bit with what they say, but i beg of yall keep it respectful at least

[pure zealot]

The reason why I was personal, is because you know this this isn't the first time. It was first with the outrage about art, then birthday, and another one that I honestly forgot. And it is always the same "instigators". It is difficult to not imagine a narrative about people wanting to be upset for the sake of being upset. Of course, I am probably seeing ghosts.

[low birch]

well, thats their problem, no?

remember: if you dont like it and arent personally connected, you don't need to go in these threads, you can throw in your two cents but thats it

[wintry linden]

Also something I did realize, if the discussion thread is removed and discussions are banned in threads, how tf did this thread and so many others get made by marswatch lmao. Reading his message this clearly isn't his first time, cause he sneaks in a suggestion at the end so it isn't a discussion, but being real it is a discussion thread.

He gamed the system (aka found a loophole)

[pure zealot]

Well, I guess I did that now. Thank you for confronting my needlessly aggressive message. Thanks Bluro.

[low birch]

BANNED

in all seriousness though: the discussion tag can still be added by mods

[wintry linden]

Ah makes sense then

Thought you meant all discussions were banned

[low birch]

nono they arent lol theyre just no longer manually addable

you have to ping a mod

[wintry linden]

Seems like quite the chore for the mods 😭 But it is their system I guess

[tulip maple]

I support the gymbag 👍

[wintry linden]

Don't we all 👍

[flat hinge]

that’s kinda cringe to do mid convo especially when you’re not really even that rude

i mean we’ll just wait and see when corrections have to be made for Eliv

[arctic prawn]

please move on from that if possible , the matter has already been resolved. a reminder to everyone to keep the discussion civil please.

[glossy delta]

Good thread

Just for fun, here's the original Hiyori banner

[queen pivot]

i haven't been engaged in this community for that long yet (6 months at this point), and I understand that the gymbag smell is more of a sentimental thing for those around since the hiyori days.

That said, i'm not really hung up about it, and I'd argue is only a part of her identity because people clung onto this one rant in particular. Could've just as easily been something about her famous chicken nugget recipe. What exactly is the goal of the banner? To give people a quick introduction to neuro-sama? I'd argue her having an evil sister is more of an important detail than her gymbag smell. I dont think it being removed from the banner is exactly equivalent to "erasing" a part of her past since many people still think about it, but i digress

But yeah I'd say "very positive" is a lie LMAO could probably replace that with "gymbag smell" if you wanted a testament to v1 that bad as an intro, and i'd be fine with it if room was made for it in the banner

[tall prism]

The real question is how does neuro smell now? Is it not like a gymbag anymore?

[sterile fog]

[halcyon storm]

2 days late but Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), that's a personality disorder whereas Bipolar Affective Disorder is a mood disorder. This means it affects relationships much more, due to being a lifelong disorder. Not to mention that BPD is all about relationships. But yeah, the common identifier of BPD is splitting, a form of black-and-white thinking, where a person is either idealised (perfect) or devaluated (worst), this is mostly attributed to an unstable standard of treatment as a child that fluctuated basically randomly. This is just some education on psychiatric disorders, I don't think it'd be good to market nor relevant to Neuro. But yeah, she's pretty BPD about vedal

[stone dawn]

MotherV3 is a normal VTuber though. She just uses a voice synthesizer.

I like the gymbag thing too tbh, it’s iconic.

[craggy kite]

Thats why i said even its the robot aesthetic

Doesn't matter ai or human just the robot aesthetic will make drones that

[stone dawn]

Ah okay, you just called her an AITuber and it threw me off, since she’s a human VTuber with an AI persona.

[sterile fog]

Fixed the banner banner
I also used a suggestion of someone to replace a bland label