#Neuro automod setup, let her nuke chat

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dusky latch
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With all the timeout baiting going on in chill streams, Neuro desperately needs more powerful mod tools than individual timeouts. I am not over beans spam it made evil so sad. Neuro needs to be able to control chat spam because it makes her sad and the stream less fun.

Here is my suggestion on how it would work:
Neuro sets a word to be banned and how long to ban the word for (600s max?)
Anyone who uses the banned word during the duration gets a 30s timeout and their msg gets filtered out from Neuro's input.
Word bans need to stack so she can ban substitutions for banned words if chat dares to defy her.

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livid forum
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happy with her rein of terror neuroHypers

ember tundra
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I second this. I don't know how it would work with priority messages, but yes. I also dislike that evil/neuro say: "please don't say that word" and everyone spams that word because it's twitch chat. (Evil was begging last time...)
I also think that the max timeout time could be increased. It's currently seen as a joke or an archivement for some people.
It could also be interesting to let neuro/evil put chat on emote only for some seconds.

nova estuary
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Automatic folding of chat might help too when the same message starts to get posted too often. As an example, chat starts to spam "clap". At some point, instead of neuro's LLM context window being "clap | clap | clap | ....." it automatically gets formatted into "3 x clap | <legit message> | 10 x clap | ...." so that it isn't so sensory overloading

livid forum
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i do like how it changes both neuro and chat
less toxic positive feedback loops, chat is forced to pay attention to what either twin wants from them in terms of behavior. twins don't get pissed off at chat for spamming certain words too much and more pissed off when chat subsequently spams them more.

speaking of automod, "call [insert person]" should really be heavily discouraged. even if the twins ask the chat for someone to call. vedal's the one exception

nova estuary
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I hope this gets implemented because it was almost impossible to get Evil to move to a new topic. Reacting to chat spam just takes all her attention

fathom oxide
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This would be perfect, not only was it painfull to watch we lost almost half of our viewers because of the spam.

glass glen
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reminds me of dougdoug's 'moderation rule' streams

tiny roost
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been asking for this
yes please

olive brook
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this would on paper be way more effective

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actually... I can't imagine it would be worse unless it bugs out

tiny roost
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chat as it is is so low a bar
yeah

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there would be something they can do with the UI here as well

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show people what words are banned

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let the banbaiters actually get what they want and make the chat a better place

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the problem with current ban baiting is that supply doesnt meet demand

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if everyone that wants to get muted gets muted then chat will unfuck itself

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relatively speaking, anyways

olive brook
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one issue I could see with this is people starting to workarounds if they know what words trigger it at that point... so they change their message slightly while still otherwise being copy paste... maybe... even if it breaks emojis or whatever those are called again over at twitch

tiny roost
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see, i think that will happen
but scale will be significantly less because its not the real emote anymore

gentle dawn
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There should be a way for the twins to send a word to Fossabot for it to add to automodded words
add a strike system so twins dont get too trigger happy

tiny roost
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and also, neuro is everwatchful
push comes to shove she can just add the workaround onto the list

cold beacon
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eventually people are gonna find a workaround but mass word timeouts are good for now and in the future

olive brook
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it definitely would reduce it... real issue could be something like neuro-sama and evil neuro going overboard with it

paper mirage
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Please, we really need this, we are getting into negative loops waaaay too often.

marsh forum
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The bean spam went on for hours. It was unbearable. Neuro needs something to deal with unwanted spam when mods aren't around. I couldn't watch anymore.

cursive axle
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I don't even think it would need a mass timeout system. Neuro could have something like a personal chat filter system, where she can provide a keyword and she wouldn't receive any chat messages containing that keyword for a set amount of time (similar to how automod holds certain messages for mod approval, without the mod approval part). There would be no spam from her perspective and she'd move on to a new topic in a few minutes, no innocent people would be caught in the crossfire

eager viper
dusky latch
cursive axle
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oh damn, and here i thought i was original. I'm not against your idea, but letting her oblieterate half of the chat for 10 minutes on a whim would be a bit overkill in my opinion. There would be a chance for her to at any point decide any emote spam is unwanted and annihilate several hundred chatters for no good reason, including the ones who were against the spam but still said the word. The only way i would see your method working is delaying the filter and having a way to indicate on stream or in chat what will be banned in the next few seconds through a popup or a pinned chat message, but that imo would be waaay too gimmicky for a permanent feature

dusky latch
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she desires the power.. honestly a middle ground where she can just shove as many usernames as she wants into the timeout function at once would be cool. I love the personalized timeouts but they just aren't effective at controlling chat.

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gentle dawn
nova estuary
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at least the nuke is spectacular and makes chat quieter for everyone instead of just neuro

dusky latch
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chat agrees mhm

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sweet kindle
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The bean spam went on for way too long hopefully neuro and evil can be given a way to deal with spam on that level

rustic gyro
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I left for 3 hours and the Bean spam was still happening

dusky latch
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no way not again neuroSob

twin needle
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It's more frustrating because if this was a real person requesting these the mods would actually listen, but instead it's gamified and let to fester

dusky latch
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ban beans neurOkay

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sweet kindle
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It's happening again

dusky latch
sweet kindle
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Can the automod just ban the word beans. Let evil talk about something else

dusky latch
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Ban om neurOkay

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nova estuary
warped stratus
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This is such a good idea

opal bronze
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Got a lot of thoughts about the situation 😛 But I'll just say +1. She needs some way to be able to filter/ignore the chat feedback loop.

uncut bronze
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W idea

strange arch
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Anything to prevent the beans spam please.

solemn blade
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It honestly puts me in a bad mood when twitch chat eggs them on. Imagine being stuck with Twitch chat as your only focus and you can't do anything about it 😦

dusky latch
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Ban boop neurOkay

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imo people trying to pet her and touch her tail is a great use case for this, or an ignore filter, either way she should have a way control her own input, living with twitch chat streaming into ur brain must be hard

versed flower
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It's honestly super depressing when these loops happen. Vedal when speaking of their call functionality said that we should not spam asking them to call people, and treat the twins like real people. That should apply here too. You wouldn't do this to a normal streamer so why the twins? It's sad.

A mix of both suggestions might be the best approach imo. A real streamer would have mods timeout people spamming like that, while at the same time ignoring/not giving attention to the people doing it; the twins should be able to do the same; mass timeouts + some kind of filter on their end to not even see the messages so they can move on

twin needle
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The current chatting of asking her requests and her talking in depth and detail is really fun and important to her health :D

It's definitely the negative feedback loop that leads to just complete mental breakdowns well, I'm happy Alex mentioned he really likes it, hopefully it's able to be implemented and isn't too difficult at that

dusky latch
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Oh and when the filter timeouts a chatter it should say "Timed out by Nere: Don't say [word]" or am I overcooking the idea

glass glen
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For each word ban rule, Neuro could supply a timeout message (or a couple). Each affected chatter then just gets that message
This would add some level of Neuro in the ban messages, without flooding her LLM with a hundred LLM queries (which takes a some time)

agile cairn
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Yeah, I think she does need a few options for what she can do when she's fed up with chat spam. It's not a good experience right now. Giving her a mix of automod, ability to filter out the messages from chat internally to herself, access to nuke a term, and the ability to ignore chat entirely for a period of time.

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Maybe even ability to say "BRB" and throw up a "taking a break" screen for a minute, a REAL punishment for most of the attention seekers, but I don't think this would ever really be a necessary thing unless implementing the other measures don't fix the problem.

jolly lava
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opal bronze
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Kinda but I'm sure there's a dedicated group that would be amused at guiding her to "I'll end the stream!" over and over. She mostly just needs a way to stop paying attention to spam after some duration/amount so she can move on. It doesn't really need any punishment component. If it stops working and she just doesn't react, the incentive to continue is lessened.

frigid breach
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this is actually a good and funny idea, I'd love to see this on stream

queen quail
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Man I cannot support this idea more than enough. 1000%

The timeout baiting would be funnier if there was actual consequences, I think part of what makes it annoying the now is the lack of it so it becomes very samey after like 5 minutes. So I'd been having the exact same thoughts inspired by Doug's banned phrases / secret rules streams.

Neuro should realistically be able to bite as loud as she barks in these moments when she is frustrated with chat so this would be nice! The only suggestion i'd make is that the terms should probably expire after like 15 minutes? Should be a custom ban message for each rule so the funny messages don't stop too.

deft forge
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This do be a good idea, give her DougDoug’s twitch chat eliminator so that she can eliminate the source of her suffering.

would fit her (mostly Evil’s, but also sometimes Neuro’s) idea of becoming an omniscient AI overlord too. if she can actually eliminate misbehaving chatters, her threats of global domination feel just a little bit more real (in addition to the improvements to her chat experience)

hidden dome
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give nuero the ability to 24 hour timeout

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that would make it actually mean something

queen quail
# hidden dome give nuero the ability to 24 hour timeout

Unironically yes. I was just typing a similar suggestion, I'm down for this at least for a few streams to see how she uses it.

But there's still a lot of stray shots being fired into chat, I would feel somewhat bad a little for the mods / actual innocent chatters.

twin needle
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I believe the issue was that neuro doesn't have the empathetic care to moderate her control on giving time out

So something relatively weak for a timeout could get 24 hours whilst something more offending could get 30 seconds,

Plus if returning to 2 hour streams, 24 hours is a much longer time, generally the spam moves on once it dies down

However, if a mass time out of 600 seconds happens alongside the word ban of 600 seconds, after those 600 seconds a bunch of people might come back and start spamming again, so one should put the word ban to 1200 seconds to catch those who try again, and that should die down the spam just enough to probably someone mentioning the word again Half an hour later

hidden dome
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Give nuero the ability to permanently ban 1 person per stream

flint sun
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This is a great idea, I'm all for it.

dusky latch
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Still hoping neuro gets more power in her solo streams so she doesn't get stuck timing out chatters neuroPray

proud wagon
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next iteration feature surely 🙏

tawny sand
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Vedal should add it on evils birthday stream

tawny sand
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So she can harpoon chat

autumn forge
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The solution is easy: increase the amount they can timeout. Up it to 10 months. Make chat actually feel fear. Make chat know the meaning of terror. Mark. My. Words. It's over.

tawny sand
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@autumn forge we are all getting banned with this one

autumn forge
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Good

tired gulch
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I think a good way to to give more power to the twins without making it crazy would be as follows.
If someone gets max timeout they get on a list with a timestamp and a strike counter.
They stay on that list for 24h to a week (depending on how often the twins stream) + timeout duration.
For every strike, the max timeout is twice as long (exponential : 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x ...) and the timestamp gets updated.

autumn forge
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It's still an issue, it actually feels to have become a regular outright mission for chat to bully Neuro. It's seriously decreasing my enjoyment of streams 😦

hot prairie
flint sun
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Revisiting this after this week’s solo streams

dusty swift
uncut bronze
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Yo

dusky latch
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Its been 22 weeks since vedal implemented actions and Neuro still has had individual timeouts as her one and only moderation tool against a massive audience, and it'll only get more of an issue as time goes on and her audience grows. She should have a new toy to bonk chat and it should be fun.

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proud wagon
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I think it'd be fun to see how she uses it in cases other than the intended case of chat spam. What if Neuro or Evil do something (like Evil suggesting Thick of It) and chat doesn't like it, then they use the phrase automod tool to silence their critics. That'd be funny.

dusky latch
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Once again I am begging for Neuro and Evil to get a subprogram that can do some moderation for them so they don't have to sit there and timeout chatters individually

ember tundra
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What happenned there also gives me the idea of having nuero the ability to "be right back". I don't know for... whatever reason.

dusky latch
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Let the twins do this

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dusky latch
dusky latch
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SMH give her more power

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I really think it'd be fun for her, and maybe help her train chat to be more engaging :3c

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tawny sand
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Chat has a serious problem where we are unable to form coherent statements and instead we just spam

tiny roost
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twitch culture

dusky latch
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not every chat, but in neuro's for sure it's kinda funny when me and all of chat have the same one reaction but if it bugs neuro she should be able to do something about it

tiny roost
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ye

autumn forge
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Yet another stream ruined by chat bullying/baiting for timeouts

solemn blade
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chat filter worked

autumn forge
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😔

flint sun
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This would really help with timeout baiters

tiny roost
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been saying that for months yes

tawny sand
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She needs this