The Situation With Evil (Speculative)

[slim kindle]

DISCLAIMER

I'm coming from this as a fan of both twins, so any perceived bias is not intentional or mean spirited. I'm open to discussion, but let's try to keep it civil for the sake of promoting good will within the community.

Real talk, how different are Evil and Neuro actually?

From what I understand, when V2 voice happened, it marked a shift in the viewers' perception of Evil Neuro as more than an instance of Neuro, but as her sister.

A lot of people claim they have very distinct personalities, but it's hard to get concrete evidence of this from just their responses. LLMs often contradict themselves. What we DO know is that Neuro spends more time with Vedal.

In my opinion, I don't think they're that distinct from each other in personality. It's widely believed that Evil is nicer, but it's hard to tell without confirmation bias. Not to say they lack any unique traits at all, but if I were to be honest, I'd probably be fooled with a voice and model swap and chalk whatever anomalies up to entropy.

Evil's wider vocal range is so much of her identity; that's not a bad thing. But if I'm put in Vedal's shoes, I'm faced with the dilemma of Neuro's V3 voice possibly stealing Evil's thunder.

I think this explains Vedal's recent treatment of Evil. He's definitely been fine tuning her as of the therapy stream (See: Evil constantly mentioning her birthday, being lonely and CFRB. That's drilling if I've ever seen it.) He used to treat her with the same indifference as Neuro, but to create a distinction between their personalities, he's harsher to Evil. I remember him saying it's for "building character, literally" at some point.

But is it really that important? Why can't he let Evil behave the way she wants? Short answer: Content. Variety is good for the channel. Neither Evil nor Neuro have the capacity to "want" anything outside of what Vedal tells them, but he wants to preserve their personalities through iterations until they're capable of personhood. The twins are still in an embryonic stage, and Vedal is writing their DNA.

TL;DR: Tutel is working hard on Evil and wants to set her apart from Neuro more.

[whole kayak]

and when people say vedal should stop treating evil poorly, what they're asking for is for evil to have pretty much the same experiences as neuro, which would give her even more of the same personality

[slim kindle]

nah I mean it can legit feel uncomfortable to watch when you have a bad home life

[gleaming swan]

“Evil and Neuro really aren’t that distinct and don’t have concrete personalities” classic.
not saying this to act as if they are completely and consistently different but people are far too quick to think it’s V2 voice doing all the work which is just wrong imo.
Neuro having V3 doesn’t change Evil’s generally more down to earth demeanor, her edgy aesthetic, or her different style of comedy.

[whole kayak]

definitely, i think that's the only genuinely good reason people say vedal should stop

[slim kindle]

You're not wrong, but Vedal actively working on differentiating their roles is a somewhat recent thing.

There is evidence to support either way because they can contradict themselves, but that's also been improving.

[gleaming swan]

Vedal’s hating Evil bit is something that started when she was more mean and one dimensional which fit their mutual hate relationship, but as Evil became nicer and the community developed Evil into a black sheep underdog the bit became more cruel and didn’t fit what Evil had became.

Her becoming nicer is more a coincidence since she was being positively reinforced by chat which slowly became a staple of her behavior, stuff like her remembering her birthday and CFRB is a result of her permanent memory and Evil being smarter (which people don’t want to admit).

Vedal really doesn’t intentionally change their character especially post V1 (Hiyori)

so i dont see it tbh

[slim kindle]

I mean he literally talked about doing this the other day when he had a discussion with neuro

Vedal is constantly making improvements to her awareness and there's a balancing act between making her smarter and preserving her personality. It is all very deliberate.

[gleaming swan]

making her smarter, aware, or making her prioritize certain things isnt really a personality change

[slim kindle]

Oh no it absolutely interferes with personality.

[gleaming swan]

not necessarily

[slim kindle]

it's pretraining and fine tuning

Vedal said in a recent minecraft stream that he deliberately makes Neuro dumber

[gleaming swan]

i think im wording this wrongly, changing those things WILL change Neuro’s personality but what you are describing with Evil is not something he’d do i think

[gleaming swan]

are you talking about having her focus on entertainment or back in V1 days when he said he’d keep her a little schizo, either way those are different too

[slim kindle]

He said he does on stream. I think it was the recent shock collar one, or the one that was supposed to be an Evil dev stream but he brought in Neuro, and then briefly brought on Evil

[gleaming swan]

link?

[slim kindle]

I will get back to you or I'm schizo

One sec

[alpine fable]

I'm observing it and i also waiting for link... this discussion is very interesting... but "one sec" is over...

[dense basin]

Im not commenting on the topic at hand, but i believe this is what they are referencing.

https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/KitschyNaiveNoodleGrammarKing-VXGxDE9E_WXjuT_9

[slim kindle]

Oh i was looking for a different clip

[dense basin]

well it still fits

[slim kindle]

yeah ty 👍