Vedal should probably cancel the wheel.

[simple leaf]

I don’t dislike the idea of the wheel but I think a lot of people will agree with me when I say that, at least as of right now, it is a bad idea for the subathon.

• We have way too many things to do that might not get done due to the timer getting low.
• People are gonna wanna donate less because they’ll be saving up for higher wheel spin days.
• The values are WAY TOO HIGH on the wheel and sub 1s times become possible.

My suggestion is to reset the sub time added back to 20s then postpone doing the wheel to Monday so that people aren’t dissuaded or upset and adjust the values (1,2,4,5,10 or 1,2,3,4,5) so that it’s less devastating on the timer.

[queen swan]

-7s wheel tomorrow goes brr

[grand bramble]

having + or - 50% of the original time on day 8 with -6 and -7 as well is actually crazy

[simple leaf]

-6 and -7 on a 20s time

[halcyon wind]

the only actual problem i had with this problem was how extreme the extreme possible options were for how the short the default timer is

-10/+10 reeeeally should not have ever been an option on this wheel and the subathon just has a chance of dying tomorrow

at most it should've been +5/-5 options as the extremes

[dark tree]

It would have been less risky (and thus perhaps less fun?) if it were smaller increments (e.g. +-10%) and the wheel was spun more often
plus using percentages for the wheel would make it harder to reach 0

[worldly harness]

ok but what if the wheel was spun the day before the time change given so people would know when to gift

[dark tree]

i think that would remove a lot of the tension

[worldly harness]

good

[nocturne canopy]

the only way that wheel would of worked is if it reset to 20s everyday he spun it, so it doesn't stack

[worldly harness]

then there wouldn't really be a softcap

[nocturne canopy]

i suppose. i think im just disappointed instead of anything else. i wouldn't be like this if we got the plus 10 so

[worldly harness]

hourly wheel spin starting after 2 weeks with only + 1 second and - 2 seconds

would be good i think

[halcyon wind]

My reaction wouldn't be this extreme but the moment I saw the big numbers I knew where this was going

[versed pollen]

Imagine if we got -10 again and subs start subtracting time from the timer instead.

[fresh brook]

-3

[nocturne canopy]

wheel was a terrible idea confirmed. even when worst case happens, he still caved in and just reverted it anyways.

[halcyon wind]

we risked an even worse result

this was realistically the only way this could be done that falls in the spirit of the wheel idea that wouldn't piss everyone off

[simple leaf]

17 seconds atleast

[tranquil umbra]

Lava lamps adding time would save both the subathon and the lava lamps.

[austere stratus]

i dont think either needs saved? lava lamps will be funded, the subathon will be at minimum as long as last year.

[halcyon wind]

at this rate we're at least getting into the new year in the subathon

and the lava lamps are close to being funded

he didn't think we'd make it

[dark tree]

eh could be a bad if you approach it with the idea of tension=excitement

[unborn summit]

It's rigged

The whole point is ending the Subathon early without bothering people

[worldly harness]

new wheel theory just dropped let's go

[halcyon wind]

this seems more relevent than ever now lol

[bleak stream]

To save the subathon, Vedal could make it so that each lava lamp sales would add a fixed rate of 30 sec to the timer. Right now it would add about 31h

[halcyon wind]

the way to save the subathon was for vedal to never put in options on the wheel that could soft cap the wheel within 2 unlucky spins

as much as I hate rng i was never against the idea of it, the execution was just incredibly shit

[bleak stream]

yeah high numbers where a huge mistake, specialy since there where way more negatives than positives

[worldly harness]

so if a lava lamp is 13x the price of a sub, that means at 4s per sub it's 52 seconds per lamp, 52x4000 is a little over 24 hours

wait no that math sucks

over 50 hours

[bleak stream]

that would be almost 58h

[tame galleon]

Vedal Should Honor The Result of The Wheel At This Point

1. Vedal designed it, at least Vedal himself should accept the result of his own idea, even when the design and the result is both terrible.
   'You can't love your wheel only when you win'
   -- KiraEzy
2. Also a rule is a rule, double +4 is already breaking the rule, not once more, or else every rule is meaningless.

I join the HONOR THE WHEEL HONOR THE RULE gang

[worldly harness]

did you quote yourself

[tame galleon]

yes

LUL

[unborn summit]

Chat wanted and welcome it

[worldly harness]

nah but genuinely what does this mean

[tame galleon]

this means that vedal does all the prepared stuff and end the subathon < 6 hours later, it would be bets for vedal

[simple leaf]

i just dont think the first one is true

NN and Vedal saying it was probably a terrible idea

[tame galleon]

ok then ill edit it a bit, removing the chat part as I think at least vedal himself should take the consequent of his design fair and square

[worldly harness]

nah your points were all accurate it's just your conclusion of honoring the wheel that is evil

[tame galleon]

just i am pro-consequence so that vedal (maybe) wont make such major "idea" on next big event

[worldly harness]

he won't do that anyway

[tame galleon]

at least test it on smaller stream first

[worldly harness]

it would've been luckier than this

[halcyon wind]

just so you know, he did do a test spin before this too and also landed on -6

without the double or nothing

we would've literally hit ONLY negatives

and big negatives

[tame galleon]

What i mean is do something like a full test with the viewers before the real implementation, developer should do this before new feature launch

[worldly harness]

editing messages

[tame galleon]

fixed the wording

[halcyon wind]

i'll agree that vedal probably should've gotten the opinion of like... 1 other person

literally one

[tame galleon]

lol

we know who he is

[naive jolt]

us having the +5 hurts more than hitting -6 so we can just remove it from pool and not take a big hit tomorrow

[buoyant crypt]

Nah

My idea is

• 1,2,5,6,7
  -1,4,5,6,7
  And find a better day to star it.

Also this

[edgy urchin]

that wouldn't have necessarily failed, we just hit the 15th percentile worst case

[delicate pelican]

how about make the sign of the previous spin affect the probability of the next sign
e.g. if the wheel spins a minus, all chances for minus on the next spin are reduced by 50%

[buoyant crypt]

We should do:
2nd week: start wheel, once a day.
3rd week: twice a day.

[unborn summit]

It's hard to trust the wheel

We don't know if Vedal could have an extension in his browser that biases the wheel towards negative numbers

Even the Python environment could be rigged

[worldly harness]

why would he do that

[unborn summit]

I'm only agreeing with a wheel if it's a real physical one

[worldly harness]

you saw the code

[unborn summit]

End the subathon because it's tiring

Enjoy a break

[unborn summit]

You can't know if he rigged the random Python library

[worldly harness]

mhm yeah that's what he did

technically he could rig it but there's no reason to think he did

[unborn summit]

I think there is a lot of reason to

He'd be lowering the subscription time manually at this point of the subathon to end it

We're nearing over two weeks

The subscriptions already peaked pretty much

It's barely moving an inch in the counter

[worldly harness]

im more willing to believe we are absurdly unlucky than vedal is secretly programming extensions and rigging the random library to scam his audience in a subathon instead of just using the softcap he used last year

[unborn summit]

https://github.com/hadi-14/WheelsOfNames-Cheat-Extension/tree/main

[worldly harness]

mhm that proves it

it exists so that means vedal is using it

[worldly harness]

i have proof that vedal did not rig the wheel and doesn't want subathon to end yet
he just put on chinatown blues during a hype train

[buoyant crypt]

Some is really getting conspiracy theorist from all the cope and seething.

[strong turtle]

No need for this after today tbh

[simple leaf]

true

[fresh brook]

well the wheel stopped nothing

[strong turtle]

Brute force has solved all our problems

It's also probably gonna create problems, but that's for future swarm to worry about

[blazing frost]

I guess the hype train probably wouldn't have happened without the wheel...

[halcyon wind]

Turns out the wheel was secretly a genius tactic by vedal to break a record

[buoyant crypt]

I told ya

[livid rock]

At this point he could make the numbers stupidly negative

[worldly harness]

yeah cancel the wheel we dont need it, just set time per sub to 0

[buoyant crypt]

Unironically we can cap it now and end the sec per sub.

[dry trellis]

the wheel betrayed us so we destroyed the wheel

[strong turtle]

The wheel is just a limiter. We'd destroy ourselves if we went all out

[edgy urchin]

the merciful wheel prevented us from making the subathon last 10 years

[buoyant crypt]

Nah, it was the wheel's plan all along

[halcyon wind]

We're gonna look back on this subathon and laugh

[buoyant crypt]

I already am

[halcyon wind]

he should've just programmed his wheel on python from the start apparantly LOL

[blazing frost]

Now he wishes he cancelled the wheel

[simple leaf]

the 270 hr and +10s on the wheel are karma for a poorly done wheel

[dark tree]

i'd like vedal to see what the website will give, just for the lolz