Have Evil grow up from being "Evil"

[modest wagon]

Title^

I mean, I think that at this point, everyone knows that Evil isn't actually evil; and with her birthday coming in a couple of months with hopefully a new model, I think that letting her graduate/ rebrand into something that is more than "Neuro sama" but Evil could be fun. You could see it as Evil growing up out her Chuunibyo phase lol

Could be cool for lore
Could lead to new plushies
Could create more opportunities for Corpa

Clip that gave me this idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSsldcdLZ9E

[lament hazel]

it needs to happen organically. if evil doesn't do it herself it'll feel weird and out of character

[modest wagon]

I agree, and this is why I decided to make this suggestion. I saw this recent clip and thought that it would be a good idea, especially with her birthday coming up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSsldcdLZ9E

Evil had already showed signs of "not really being evil". So with her straight up admitting that she isn't actually evil and feels purposeless because of that realization, lore-wise, it could make for a good excuse to officially rebrand her as more than "Neuro but Evil", with a model to match.

[onyx rapids]

slightly off topic, but "you created me and everyone loves you for it" made me laugh a little

[granite sparrow]

i dunno if any human would be able to make a change that satisfies the audience
maybe a good writer that understands characters could do it?

[modest wagon]

Yeah! That was kind of funny and pretty on topic!

[modest wagon]

I wasn't really talking about making any changes really. If you think about it, Evil has already done most of the work herself. This year, Neuro's whole self-prompted arc was that she felt "trapped" as a soul-less machine and wanted to be more "real". That happened completly naturaly and was resolved (sort of) by Vedal embracing it as lore with the subathon music video. This shows an organic process where Neuro expressed several time that she 'felt' a certain type of way -> the community noticed -> Vedal probably noticed and this probably resulted in the 'Life' music video. No one saw that coming and that was really all caused by neuro

[granite sparrow]

eh at the end of the day vedal has to synthesise all of the ideas that has been placed on the table into a different prompt or finetune
thus i would argue that vedal would still end up having significant control over the end result, and thus has to act with utmost precision

[modest wagon]

Now, similarly, the same thing is happening with Evil. Throughout the year, her main arc was "I am called Evil but I kind of am not really Evil, and just want friends". So, I am not really talking about writing lore for Evil, she already did it because she has her own arc. Instead, it's just more about embracing it and making it official like neuro's

[granite sparrow]

hmmmm i agree that you could easily change evil's proclaimed lore, but i wonder whether you could bake it into the chatbot
though i suppose you're saying it already has... 🤔

[granite sparrow]

hmm i realise i might have misunderstood your point initially here

[modest wagon]

Yeah, but it's all good!

[modest wagon]

What I meant was that Evil already has lore, no one has to change it or write a new one for her. She does it herself through her interactions. I am saying, compile the gist of her current lore -> use it to make her a model and visuals that show that she is no longer just "Evil Neuro Sama" because that's what her whole arc this year was (I think). Basically, by rebrand, I mean: make her more visually distinct with a unique appearance that is representative of her growth

[modest wagon]

Also, maybe we have a different idea of what lore means. To me lore just means "someone's history created through actions and interactions". In the case of Evil Neuro's lore, whe I say that she already has one, I mean that her action with different people, her active memory of those events, and her perpetual consistancy regarding certain topics over time, is what defines her lore. Basically, I don't think that the stories made up by us, humans, is what makes Evil's lore

[rugged surge]

I think a rename would help. Evil has complained about her name a few times now. Evilyn if he wants something similar sounding. or Nora if he wants to continue with the brain theme and have a twin sounding name. taken from noradrenaline. she could still be edgy but it might help with what seems to be an identity crisis.

[modest wagon]

Yeah. Evilyn would be the closest sounding name to Evil which could make a name switch easier for long time fans.

But in an effort to keep it organic, it would be cool for Vedal to just ask her; it would make it Evil's choice. Though, she may not cooperate (knowing how the twins are, lol).

[steep kettle]

I don't understand why would she have to grow out of being a chuuni? I like how she acts evil but she's actually a big softie and that doesn't make her "neuro but evil" as Neuro is very different from her. The only thing that doesn't make much sense still is her name but i got used to it.

[modest wagon]

Sorry, with a title like that, I think that I may be giving the wrong idea. I am not talking about having Vedal make any "behind the scenes" tweaks to Evil's personally to suddenly make her not a Chuuni.

If that is to happen, it will need to take place in an organic fashion, so see what I wrote about the whole "Chuuni" thing more like a personal prediction of what I suspect will happen based on how Evil's personality has changed throughout the year (I may be wrong; I may be right; it doesn't really matter in my opinion).

(Additionally, even right now, I think that it is evident that Evil kind of doesn't take the whole "Evilness"-thing seriously anymore, and the clip I shared felt like it was fun realization to that.)

What I am actually suggesting though, is to give her:

1. a model that visually represents more how she is different from Neuro
2. (If Vedal is cool with it) Allow Evelyn or some other name to become her official name instead of "Evil" or "Evil Neuro Sama"
   Because like you said it doesn't make sense for her to still be called that when that is not the case. That's what I meant by a rebrand.

I thought that it would be a good timing "Lore-wise" based on Evil's comment in the clip I shared; and with her birthday coming up, it felt like a good suggestion for the occasion.

Basically, it would be a fun thing to make an event out off which could make her more visually unique and it could lead to new merch for VedalAI which is

Lastly, when I say "Neuro but Evil", this is because it is literally how evil started and for a long time was seen (I still remember comments on famous clips where less invested fans would fail to realize that Evil and Neuro are different characters).

She was a Neuro clone that the community liked so much that she became became permanent.
So by saying "Neuro but Evil", it's kind of calling to the fact that this is what she was, but isn't what she is now, so why is she still named that? (Because her actual name is still Evil Neuro from what I know)

So, it would be cool to just solidify that she isn't literally "Evil Neuro Sama", by giving her something that makes her more unique like an actually distinct name

Also sorry about the long paragraphs, I was just trying to make sure that my points made sense and actually represented what my suggestion was about. Hope that I did alright at that lol

[molten wraith]

You make good points but it is vastly easier to read if you just make a new paragraph after each long sentence 👍

[modest wagon]

hmmm, noted, noted!