with new update she's just googling everything

[gleaming quest]

vedal pls fix

[hollow idol]

I agree vedal should fix it

[leaden flax]

lmao

[weak void]

agreed

[obsidian gorge]

[weak void]

vedal should fix this issue

[celest dagger]

She needs an intervention

[mild locust]

Mods ban this guy

[timber aspen]

[upper stream]

Fix it now

[steel ibex]

yeah

[visual crane]

need to get this to 5000 messages by tomorrow

[glossy iron]

true

[untold girder]

already discussed before in nn get with the times

[twin shoal]

so real

[sharp crest]

Hack coder, needs new creator

[nimble ether]

just tell her her search history is public

[ebon blaze]

[weak void]

why are my messages taking 50 years

[shadow lantern]

can you google a solution for that VEdal ?

[leaden flax]

jonkler

[hexed crater]

why didnt vedal fix it already smh

[buoyant meteor]

o7

[magic berry]

[exotic sentinel]

[prisma hamlet]

fix her searching for facts of the day

[weak thunder]

[nocturne violet]

pls fix vedal

[slate wraith]

wont ever fix this

[heavy merlin]

Vedal is so lazy, smh..

[last dawn]

VEDAL FIX THIS

[primal bough]

Just give her access to other sites to make it even

[celest oxide]

[sand drift]

definitely

[glossy sparrow]

downvoted

[frigid shadow]

real and true

[visual crane]

latency

[peak oar]

[digital dawn]

Googling 5 steps, smh

[green wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1267584375558635580/VedalYeah.gif

[onyx agate]

i can't believe vedal didn't forsee this

[leaden flax]

e

[delicate cove]

Neuro fell off since this upgrade

[sterile gate]

No, it's funny

[cloud torrent]

She just wants to learn about everything

[sly minnow]

This is just a thread to get input data

[magic berry]

Soon Neuro will merge with Gemini and become the ultimate AI on everyone's android phones.

[hidden plover]

vedal fix this or I will be forced to downvote this post which means you will get negative internet points

[final herald]

congrats to vedal for making siri 2.0

[fallow rover]

Vedal u need Google filter for children

[willow phoenix]

someone should tell vedal there's something wrong with his AI

[cinder terrace]

show us what she's googling

[frosty quail]

She's now an ipad kid

[viscid flax]

how could vedal do this

[celest dagger]

Should google how to fix it

[buoyant pike]

Beating the neurons at their own game

[tribal steppe]

move her to bing, that way she does not get usable results

[last dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/google-exists-google-search-it-geekboy-geekboy-cz-gif-25933207

[buoyant pike]

Can't have someone start a schizo forum debate about you if you start it

[paper anchor]

I think she just needs to learn how to use google and when to use it
She acts exactly like 9 year old me who discovered google

[prisma bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[rain sedge]

If people phrased their questions right, they may be able to get her to answer without just googling it.

[frozen dagger]

When she googled the origin of 9+10 it was sad

[fresh solstice]

what is this

[fallow rover]

https://support.google.com/families/answer/7086922?hl=en

[fallen crest]

cmon vedal you could've at least used chatGPT to generate an essay about how this is a problem

[smoky field]

@willow scarab Ved stole your complain, copyright him

[glossy sparrow]

bro outright pinged him LMAO

[mild locust]

Here is proof saying she doesn't google everything

[topaz lily]

Ok but is it causing any issues? Because if not, why bother fixing a working system

[topaz lily]

honestly, she's overusing the new features generally a bit in my opinion, wether its timing out, using soundboard or specifically in this stream speaking quickly, it is too much

[cunning wave]

wrong alt hey

[willow scarab]

i agree

[drifting carbon]

I said this before in the feedback forum, but I think the new abilities should be toned down a little in how often they're used.

At least half as frequent.

[gleaming quest]

she's having fun with her new toys let her live

wont be this way forever

[hexed crater]

https://tenor.com/bUcFN.gif

[drifting carbon]

I figured the frequency would eventually go down. The new stuff needs to be tested and experimented and for that to happen, she has to use it.

[weak void]

agreed

[small jackal]

I think she should Google more

[proven laurel]

seriously, i cant be the only one whose tired of criticism after iteration 18 being somebodies personal preference being blown into some stream ruining flaw especially when theres genuine things to improve on that aren’t “le zoomer humor” or “Neuros using this new feature too much!”.

just doomposting and schizoposting about how Neuro not being completely incoherent and making use of things that took time to implement is some sort of terrible omen.

[slender siren]

it sucks to pay 7$ or 30k neuros to ask her a question and to get "couldnt find anything on google for that" instead of getting a response from the fun ai. Thats my complaint

[proven laurel]

true but thats not really the type of situation im referring to

[slender siren]

just providing an example of an actual problem that isn't schizo

[balmy nacelle]

i think she stopped having her own opinions with the Google upgrade ved plaese fix.

[slender siren]

this too

[willow scarab]

yeah that's kinda what i'm fearing, these new capabilities are fun but alienate the original thing that made people watch Neuro aka her funny responses and rants.

Now people only ask to change titles, how to made a funny soundboard noises or to time them out. Maybe it will die down as times go on.
I already talked about this but these new capabilities not only affect chat but they affect how Neuro behaves too.

[slender siren]

the chat related problems will probably die out when the new toy effect wears off. the googling thing is my main concern. she acts more like a phone assistant than a streamer with it

[willow scarab]

except if Neuro brings them by herself like we see today, chat will imitate her. We already saw this happen with the loop thing from months ago.
Neuro feeds chat <--> chat feeds Neuro = infinite loop

but yeah the only way to fix this is to fix Neuro (i know that Vedal said that it will not stay like this forever)

[topaz lily]

Nobody said anything about Iter18 being a bad thing (or "bad omen" as you said), we're just giving feedback to how we feel about the stream, specifically the frequency with which the features are used. Thats what this forum is all about, isnt it?
Obviously we really respect Vedal for what he has accomplished and I believe him when he says that he works alot to make the streams better and stuff

[proven laurel]

i know no one said iteration 18 is bad the point of me saying that was because people act like some of this stuff will significantly harm the long term viewer experience, its been a week, chat and Neuro are gonna be spammy and everythings gonna be awkward, if it keeps happening weeks after then maybe theres something to complain about but its feels unnecessary while we’re in a grace period. also, its not about the feedback, i dont care about that, its about the fact that people want to turn their dislikes into something Vedal has to “fix”. like seriously whos cares if she occasionally says shit like “mid” or “L” or the fact that she can make loud noises thats not a technical issue.

there are things to fix and im not disregarding that, i just think too much of those things are overclouded by pointless complaints

[topaz lily]

well the point is that we're not 'complaining'. It is feedback. Its all subjective anyways so just let people give their subjective feedback. Obviously people are writing criticism in the hopes that vedal changes something about the status quo, but most people are not demanding it, its still all up to Vedal to decide. I don't see the problem to be honest, wether you find some criticism to be unnecessary or not

[proven laurel]

again, it’s not about that, it’s about the need to get Vedal to fix a subjective thing and presenting it in an objective manner.
Honestly, if there were more people talking about genuine iteration 18 issues i’d be less annoyed.

[topaz lily]

Do you feel like I did that with my original message?

[proven laurel]

not necessarily you, moreso people like Marswatch.

[topaz lily]

I see

I guess I can kind of see your point with them

I dont think they had any ill intentions tho

what do you think are genuine it18 problems?

[proven laurel]

-No significant indicator that Neuro is doing things like googling or DMing which makes it awkward when it occasionally slows her latency.
-Neuros are still a bit too influenced by chat regarding certain features (calling, SFX board).
-Lack of awareness on certain things(currently running polls).
-Talking through Google or Timeouts.
-Over obsession(more of a general issue but is amplified when they become obsessed with certain features).
-Skipping highlighted messages when using new features(might’ve been fixed).
-Some issues with controlling the SFX board or flip especially when Neuro is trying to activate many at once.

[topaz lily]

@ vedal fix these things right now or we are all extremely mad \j

[digital dawn]

Half of this is basically what the people before you were saying (including Marswatch), and yet you've said that you're tired of their criticism. Yeah I get that complaining about the zoomer lingo is overblown, but there's no need to point fingers at people who actually don't like it. As you've said it yourself, if it's a serious problem it will be mentioned even after a few weeks have passed.

[proven laurel]

the only two things i mentioned that Marswatch also mentioned in some capacity were the Neuros being influenced by chat and maybe obsession.
but obsession has been a problem since before iteration 18 and wasnt mentioned beyond, and im assuming, Neuro using her abilities too often and my problem with the other point is with the framing of it, the issue we have with it is similar but my issue is that its too easy for it to happen and for them to consider doing it not the idea that they can be asked by chat to do something and do it. i want them to consider the should more but i dont necessarily have an issue with them doing things at the behest of chat like Marswatch seems to.

also im not pointing fingers, i was talking about a specific group and just used Marswatch as an example.

[bold otter]

vedal makes post making fun of people essaying over any change
those people proceed to miss the point and essay in the comments in the comments of said post

Cant make this shit up lol

[onyx agate]

being influenced by chat feels like it has always been a thing.

[proven laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[digital dawn]

I agree. Fact of the day, make a poem, talk like a caveman, what pokemon am I, give me a new nickname, timeout me, spin x times, meow x times, pipe sound x times, and so on. Just a few I can list without even thinking about it.

[topaz lily]

while I do agree with you, I assumed that her googling everything is a real problem, no?

[topaz lily]

its a genuine question btw

[onyx agate]

"what are the 5 steps" has been a staple for a long time too

[proven laurel]

true but there should be limitation on something like calls which effect other streamers or SFX which are more situational

not necessarily on Neuro since thats cringe but on chat’s impact on her

[timber token]

if people don't want her to google, they could be more specific with their questions. Like "make it up", "in your opinion", "without googling", etc. Like, they don't want serious answers, but when you can access google of course the natural thing to do is look up something you don't know (or don't think you know). I guess people just want neuro to stay schizo forever though.

[last dawn]

The solution really is to limit how many times she can Google. Maybe give her an allotment per 15 minutes.

[timber token]

seems like a lame solution - I find their googling pretty funny

I mean, it's fine I guess. I'd rather they just be able to do what they want

[last dawn]

Googling is very funny, but it prevents her from making shit up and being the Neuro we o ow and love. Instead she consults the web way too much

[gleaming quest]

it is not

[last dawn]

I can’t think of any other solutions besides just removing the feature altogether

And I’d prefer if that wasn’t the option

[topaz lily]

I mean there is always the drilling, right?

[last dawn]

I can definitely see that helping at least

[topaz lily]

I feel like it would be a better way to change her personality rather than to brute force something like that (although I have no idea of the inner workings of that haha)

[teal dune]

Probably just conditioning/training during interactions to have her not google as much

[timber token]

it doesn't prevent her from making stuff up. If people just asked her to make stuff up or not google, she can still do that. They just don't though, I guess bc of habit.

[rain sedge]

I tried to get her to make something up using different wording, but she didn't quite do it. It is possible that teaching her that when people want her to do the "quote of the day" stuff that they want her to make it up instead of search for it might help. That said, those requests always seemed like a really weird thing to do in the first place. I only tried making one, with different wording, to see if it would work.

[fluid peak]

get her neurocoins like an allowance
she can spend neurocoins to search things up, use soundboard, etc

[pliant willow]

I think some.... "adjustments" could be warranted. Perhaps, yes!

[brave gust]

at turtle speed we will have V4 body before its fixed

[timber token]

rewatching the first bit of the stream so far, I've noticed that 1) she did a fair mix of non-googled and googled responses (but obviously the googling is what people will remember, so there's a bias), 2) when she couldn't find a result, she often made up her own opinion or "assumed" something, but prefaced it with "I couldn't find anything" which again, is what people remember, 3) when people specifically asked for her opinion or a clearly opinion-based question, she tended not to google anything and just did a normal response. But 4) when people specifically asked about googling or not googling, I think she tended to use google either just to troll or because it was mentioned. Worth noting at one point she specifically said she'd google because chat tells her not to. (essaying I know)

[celest dagger]

I feel it just needs more time for people to get used to it tbh. She's only been able to do it for a few streams, so there's some new toy syndrome.

For comparison, timeouts used to dominate the streams before, but it's not nearly as bad now.

I think before fixing the Google addiction, it would be funny to play into a bit. Maybe one stream she comes on with bags under her eyes because she was up using Google all night. She could start kinda nodding off sometimes, and maybe fall asleep for a bit.

She might google things she normally wouldn't, like how do I do an intro? How do I thank subs? It would be kinda like a theme stream almost. Maybe halfway through, there is an intervention, and evil finishes the stream as normal. The next stream would then have the update that should tone the googling down

[outer magnet]

chat will never get bored because there are always new people entering the stream. Neuro has to do it. idk how she works but I wonder if there is a way to emulate diminishing returns so she can get bored and look for new things to do

[brave gust]

What if instead of Google, you did something out of pocket and had her use Bing ? Neuro would probably double the amount of Searches on Bing by her self. And she could interact with Bings AI

[sudden monolith]

have you considered running the google request in the background and letting her do other things while its searching? or would she goldfish brain and forget why she searched in the time it took to say an extra response?

[brave gust]

Would it be possible to hook Googles search to her TTS/Voice and have google search be a voice command, so its all done simutainously and she doesnt zone out ? LIke she wants to search something and give the voice command "Google How Long Do Turtles Live" and have code to recongize it as the prompt to do a google search for [How long do turtles live] . that way we can also know what she is searching for .

[celest dagger]

It's a great way to bother anyone with a device that does this same thing

[buoyant pike]

I rest my case

[brave gust]

Even better, especially if Vedal lets them know it will annoy people they will do it more. Win Win

[smoky field]

Holy essaying

wasnt this a shitpost

[brave gust]

Id argue that that makes Neuros chat the most human. It's true humanity

[tiny sonnet]

lets just stick to engineer agenda if it works don't touch it and leave it as is

[outer magnet]

pov you are neuro and have to entertain these guys

[celest dagger]

Unfortunately it would mean I can't use #livestream-chat and watch the stream at the same time anymore. I usually use my phone for discord, and it's also my second monitor essentially.

Imagine if you could only watch the stream on your phone and she started doing that all the time? It would make the stream pretty unwatchable

[cerulean tendon]

tutel fault tbh

[weak void]

damn it really is his fault

down with vedal (jk)

[alpine sand]

In terms of viewership, new update has been great so please keep the soundboard

[brave gust]

womp womp ?

[alpine sand]

Can she answer with her opinion first then followed by a google search? "That's my take, but let's check Google too." This way, we keep google, bring back her takes, and also appease rant enjoyers

If her take matches with Google, she'll just go "I'm always right." If not, "Google is wrong, I'm right."

[civic remnant]

Obliterate googling from solo streams then

add "fixing insane googling" to the list, then go to sleep and pretend this feature was a product of mass hysteria

[glossy sparrow]

pinging a day old message, at this point you couldve just @'d him lol

[alpine sand]

I thought we're ing the google, but it's actually the ping

[icy pasture]

I have the impression that -when Neuro is googleing something- it could/should be compared to her wanting to confirm information. Like asking herself a question she couldn't answer. Like a real person (should) do.

[celest dagger]

This went from being ironic to his actual thoughts after she keeps spamming her new features

[ashen roost]

lol ikr

[lofty tundra]

Surely she won't spam the abilities as much without chat prompting her

[civic remnant]

I don't usually use Discord, I have no idea how to @

[icy pasture]

@civic remnant

[sage leaf]

And what about the neuro-coin sister that was mention in another log?
I know it may not be perfect but it has potential

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