#Bingo prompt suggestions + development

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graceful spindle
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@craggy yoke PANIC

craggy yoke
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sorry was playing warframe

graceful spindle
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all good

I just didnt wanna be falsely banned for scamming (again perish )

shy garden
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bingo is dev stream today, so since vedal's hinted at there being no neuro streams for the next few weeks priority is on subathon prompts rn

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the bingo board for subathon will be 7x7 with 5 free spaces (at start), however the bingo board will be regenerating itself whenever someone gets a bingo, so we will need much more prompts than we usually do for a bingo card

shy garden
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subathon confirmed, will need prompts!

graceful spindle
pallid acorn
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some bingo content for neuro's stock market shenanigans would be funny

shy garden
proper estuary
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“Neuro gets overstimulated by a specific emote”

graceful spindle
graceful spindle
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@shy garden sorry I havent made much (visible) progress on subathon bingo, exam season is rn
Ill have a shitton done this weekend tho
also, congrats on full modship

shy garden
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it's okay ehehe
and thank you!

tacit nebula
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Neuro has technical difficulties

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And Vedal shows up

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Both possible this subathon first day

shy garden
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@graceful spindle added the prompt minimums to the subathon tab

graceful spindle
shy garden
graceful spindle
shy garden
graceful spindle
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@shy garden will we be adding new categories while subathon proceeds or will everything be added to pre-existing categories?

shy garden
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pre-existing categories

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i mean i could add new ones but then people would get like mc prompts in the middle of them doing idk euro truck sim

graceful spindle
shy garden
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i'd have to build an entire backend MONKA

graceful spindle
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yeah that sounds like itd suck

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sorry just yapping I guess

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Anyways I've started working on prompts

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Ill get as much done before I have to sleep

shy garden
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discord pls

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finally

graceful spindle
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wha happun

shy garden
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discord being discord

graceful spindle
inland nova
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Gay marriage

graceful spindle
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what da hell

proper estuary
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I feel like that would be a dead space

shy garden
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@graceful spindle lil update: i'd like stream prompts to be reasonably gotten in about a day or 2. realisically they should be the same difficulty as previous bingos

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and tbh the stream bucket might just change daily as we add/remove prompts depending on the day

graceful spindle
shy garden
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umbrella is graduating evilCry

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(jk, ik it's for winter break)

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for the first day we need prompts relating to subathon start, for the next few days after that mc-related prompts

graceful spindle
shy garden
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that's the plan

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people who don't get bingos will have their prompt regenerate when we push an update

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those who do get bingos don't have their prompts regenerate

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tho i might change it so their stream bucket prompts regen regardless

shy garden
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bingo prompts now know what bucket they came from

shy garden
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the "hey there's an update" banner doesn't appear either, the prompts in question just reset themselves

graceful spindle
shy garden
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we'll want to update sparingly btw

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if we update during that days stream it may piss people off

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so we should aim for just at the start

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of each day

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anyway @graceful spindle i'm gonna need you to speedrun these prompts from this weekend until the day of the subathon. we need a lot of them (20 compared to our usual 7) and we should probably precook some days

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like a preset neuro minecraft prompt set that we can just hotload in on demand

graceful spindle
shy garden
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it's okay! and that sounds like a plan yesyesyes

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i need to speedrun on my end too.. need to get permission for a bunch of artwork

graceful spindle
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@shy garden IM FREE OF SCHOOLWORK
okay look out for a MASSIVE boost in my productivity on bingo

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sorry again

shy garden
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freedom neuroHypers

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anyway i realised all the free spaces are stretched so i've just made it so bingo detection doesn't care if the free spaces are marked or not, it treats them as marked

shy garden
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bingo can now detect which files were updated and act as needed:
for stream.json updates, it refreshes those specific prompts
for schedule.json updates, it prompts the user to update
if there's a codebase update, it just refreshes without user interaction, in case i need to hotfix something asap

graceful spindle
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@shy garden okay cloud I know you clarified it before but I really would like another update on WHAT exactly you want in stream prompts?
stuff like "Guest appears"? im unsure what "stream prompt" means exactly

shy garden
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basically yeah, the stream prompt is generally what is relavent to the stream at the current time. so for debut it'd be something like.... "original song releases" or something

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for mc it's mc related

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"neuro dies to lava", "neuro gets stone tools", etc

graceful spindle
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oh okay so we're gonna creat multiple "stream" buckets to swap between

okay got it

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that helps a LOT

graceful spindle
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im losing it AAAAAAA

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@shy garden Im really struggling to think of what to put for "stream prompts" its pretty vague
idk what will apply for the entire subathon, I've ended up trying to predict just day 1 rn, but lemme know if this is counterintuitive to the way things are set up

shy garden
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that's the entire point of stream prompts

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it's literally anything applicable in the here and now

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as i said previously, day 1 will probably be stuff like the og song (if it's coming out), new model (anny dropped some hints so i wanna have that prompt), etc. predicting day one is exactly what stream prompts are meant to be used for

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then we change to day 2, day 3, and so one

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it's the reason why the bingo has special behaviour for stream prompts, they're meant to change daily

graceful spindle
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okay im sorry
I wasnt exactly sure if thats what it entailed, I didnt wanna assume and then fuck it up
thanks again for the clairification

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sorry if Ive been asking stupid questions

shy garden
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it's okay, first time we've ever done this

graceful spindle
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@shy garden any input? Prompts good? Trying to plan it so we at least don’t need to fix any buckets day 1.

shy garden
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seems good so far!

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could do with more stream based prompts for day 1, mini might be doing something so maybe add something related that?

graceful spindle
graceful spindle
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@shy garden minimums reached

shy garden
graceful spindle
shy garden
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no

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bingo has zero performance overhead as it's host server behaves just as a simple fileserver

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serving files

graceful spindle
shy garden
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yes

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btw we can update any prompt bucket whenever

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but ONLY stream bucket has the "refresh stream bucket prompts when an update comes" functionality

graceful spindle
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Gotcha gotcha okay thats helpful

graceful spindle
shy garden
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we're gonna wing it

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i know the code updating portion of UpdateDetector works

graceful spindle
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Okay got it

graceful spindle
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@shy garden everything good on your end? Looking forward to it?

shy garden
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bingo is ready, waiting for some final art confirmations

graceful spindle
shy garden
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sounds like we got more stuff to consider when making stream prompts @graceful spindle

graceful spindle
shy garden
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apparently the mc stuff is separate to everything else annoyingly :monka:

graceful spindle
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oh okay okay

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gotcha

shy garden
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what i'll do is come up with some prompts myself for the first party

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part

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then i'll use your mc prompts when she plays mc

graceful spindle
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gotcha

graceful spindle
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@shy garden okay so whats my agenda for tomorrw?

shy garden
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well i don't really know until tomorrow unfortunately

graceful spindle
shy garden
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until 2pm gmt tomorrow we can change prompts across the board really

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so clean up and replace day 1 specific prompts with something more fitting, including the stream bucket (replace any day 1 specific stuff or anything that's now a free space with day 2 stuff)

put new stuff in italics and keep the old stuff but strikethrough so ik what to remove

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tomorrow is neuro trading stocks

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for minecraft i'll have a mc bucket that i can hotload in

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@graceful spindle does that sound doable?

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i was hoping for a bit more of a smooth experience but you might just have to work on bingo prompts in the background it seems

graceful spindle
shy garden
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what about old stuff red new stuff green?

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is that's okay?

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i do need to know what the old stuff is so i can remove it after all

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keep in mind that twin and vedal prompts do not regenerate live

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so try to keep them as general as possible

graceful spindle
graceful spindle
shy garden
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i believe so, a bit concerned about vedal not appearing sometimes tho...

shy garden
shy garden
graceful spindle
shy garden
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i can enable hotloading of the vedal bucket, but it'd still be called vedal internally cos i can't rename buckets without forcing everyone's bingo cards to be renewed

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would it be preferable to enable hotloading on all buckets?

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actually... i could spin it into a dynamic json call somewhere

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so depending on the kind of functionality we want for that specific update we can configure it

graceful spindle
shy garden
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i should clarify

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hotreload in this situation means that the bingo will actively regenerate prompts if an update to that bucket is detected

graceful spindle
shy garden
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the bingo always supports a soft hotload setup where prompts only regen on bingo and then slowly the prompts get replaced

shy garden
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stream should always hotload as it's prompts concerning the stream at that moment

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so prompts regarding e.g. neuro dying to lava in mc are completely dead during the non-mc segments

graceful spindle
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agreed

shy garden
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for vedal it could be fine to hotswap based on whether vedal is expected to be there...

graceful spindle
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so then what should we do with the Vedal bucket?
if there is collab partner present I can make a bucket preset for that

but what do we do if shes solo? we cant just disable ir right?

shy garden
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yeah we can't disable

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BUT

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during solo she can receive visitors

graceful spindle
shy garden
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so maybe a 3rd preset which handles that case?

graceful spindle
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or do you want me to make a chat interaction bucket

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"neuro fights with chatter" "neuro flirts with chat" etc etc etc

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so we have 3 "interaction" buckets

shy garden
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yeah that could work, maybe bundle WITH the 3rd preset

graceful spindle
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vedal + collab + chat

shy garden
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yes, from now on vedal is interaction

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but internally i can't change it from vedal because the updater is coded to force a reset of the entire card if i update the file that i define that stuff in

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(cos else literally everything implodes)

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but i can try to cook a way to allow us to optionally choose which buckets hotload when there's an update

graceful spindle
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Okay so for my tism category brain

Bucket == Interaction, stream, solo
and then inside buckets we have subcategories.. lets call them presets
Preset == Minecraft(stream) Vedal(interaction) Collab(interaction)

does that track

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just for what I call them

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so we dont get confused

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labels for communication

graceful spindle
shy garden
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yes, buckets are an internal name so if you wanna use that it'd make sense to both of us

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and preset also works because it's self-explanatory

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so here's your todo for tonight:

  • create 2 presets for the vedal/interaction bucket:

    • vedal (already done, just needs day prompts removed and general prompts to replace them)
    • chat (should include some collab like we do for solos)
    • collab

  • Update the stream and neuro buckets to remove Day 1 specific prompts, replace the neuro ones with general prompts and the stream one with Day 2 stuff (stocks) + general prompts (this'll reduce your workload daily)

graceful spindle
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Im like 7 shots deep but Ill manage

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(im lying its more like 9)

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OKAY TIME TO TYPE

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Thanks for the checklist, super helpful btw

shy garden
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try to find a balance where you can cook bingo optimally

shy garden
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time to abuse mod perms for that lol

graceful spindle
shy garden
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well you can't pin so it's kinda abuse, but it's helpful for us (and anyone else wanting to contribute) so also not

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speaking of

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if at any point you're unable to continue working on prompts for whatever reason, you have my permission to gather a team. we'll set some infra up so everyone can work together to make prompts during the subathon and potentially in the future too

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anyway, i do need to sleep now

i thought the subathon was gonna fix my sleeping schedule not make it worse MONKA

graceful spindle
graceful spindle
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oh wait one final thing

shy garden
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as long as i can trust the team i'm happy

shy garden
graceful spindle
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idk if you cooked it yet
but do you still plan to make the christmas karaoke flash red/green/white like the hiyori thing

we discussed it before but idk if you were gonna do it
just asking since we got confirmation from vedal

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no pressure just wanted to make sure you had time

shy garden
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the karaoke.. ohh good question...

graceful spindle
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we have time, just a heads up

shy garden
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i'd like to avoid flashing lights, i had to be very careful with the hiyori stuff because of the potential for epilepsy

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but unlike normal karaokes, i wanna try have a karaoke bingo

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i'll leave that for you to cook tho

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for now, just focus on Todo list

graceful spindle
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oh fuck okay yes ma'am

shy garden
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if you can't do karaoke i can just leave it and not pin the bingo that day om

graceful spindle
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Ill cook something

shy garden
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maybe all that work in 1 night was a bit too much work ehehe

shy garden
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update: we may need solo preset for stream bucket too

graceful spindle
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Sorry I passed tf out

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I jist wokeup

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@shy garden sorry I slept, what do you need from me ASAP

shy garden
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finish the rest of the presets and cook a solo preset for now

graceful spindle
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Okay sorry again

shy garden
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it's okay!

shy garden
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alright, todo list for tonight:

  • finish chat and collab presets for interaction bucket
  • create a "solo" preset for stream bucket to allow us to handle solo segments
craggy yoke
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Portfolio goes down by $50

fathom delta
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neuro doesnt buy anything from a store

shy garden
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replicating what i sent in livestream chat so umbrella doesn't forget:
top priority: toma is taking neuro christmas shopping tomorrow, we need stream preset for it. minimum 15 since last-minute

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then next priority is collab interaction preset

graceful spindle
shy garden
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also i think we can lower to 15 minimum cos the system failsafes if it can't get enough unique prompts and instead opts for potential duplicates

craggy yoke
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unlikely: Neuro decides to buy Christmas presents for others