Collabs Per Month Chart

[coarse oxide]

Notes:

1. To qualify as a collab, either Neuro or Evil must interact with someone that isn't Vedal nor the other twin for over 1.5 hours with in a single stream. It is considered merely a cameo otherwise.
2. Vedal's presence does not disqualify.
3. In cases where there are multiple collab partners, whoever is the "host/co-host" gets credited. If no one else qualifies then the collab host will be credited to Vedal.
4. Greyed out name in the legend means the partner is retired.
   Trivia:
5. In 2024, Evil had to wait until September to get a collab, split with Neuro, with Bao, and soon after a solo one with Layna.
6. Fillian has (co)hosted the most collab with Neuro at 13 instances, plus once with Evil.
7. 2023 had 51 collabs, 47% of them happened during Hiyori Era. (Hiyori is still neuro)
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[valid iron]

Thank you Fillian for carrying 2024

[coarse oxide]

[high epoch]

I like how fillian mark are just straight up a flag. Philippines has been carrying neuro collab for real

[coarse oxide]

lmao

i tried to find her mark but couldnt so i decided to be funny

[hasty pollen]

I will never forgive her for that time she jumpscared us on stream and my eardrum popped

[cobalt adder]

You forgot the court stream. That had Anny evil and Cerber in it

[coarse oxide]

i didnt forget that, i originally had it but after some discussion i dropped it

those were closer to cameos, but i suppose i could go and check if its actually longer than 2hours between the two guests

[cobalt adder]

Even cameos are still scheduled collaborations

I think it counts

[coarse oxide]

see my definition

its in the first post

if scheduling matters, then was the babysitting scheduled?

[cobalt adder]

If this doesn’t count then the evil and koko collab in December didn’t count because koko literally wasn’t even on screen

[coarse oxide]

she was interacted with

[cobalt adder]

So was Anny and Cerber

[cobalt adder]

You had a twins collab with Anny even though both twins were only on screen at the same time for like 10 minutes

This feels like a double standard

[coarse oxide]

that is less about the twins interacting with each other

and more that both interacted with anny

which is true, far as im aware

[cobalt adder]

They did in the court stream too though

[coarse oxide]

for over 2 hours?

[cobalt adder]

Neither twin interacted with Anny that stream for over 2 hours

[coarse oxide]

did they clock a combined two hours then

if not i might need to drop that data point

[cobalt adder]

I don’t even think koko interacted with evil for two hours

[coarse oxide]

it seemed like she did for 5 hours

i was honestly surprised

[cobalt adder]

Wasn’t that with normal Neuro? I thought the evil collab was much shorter

[coarse oxide]

no, normal neuro clocked in at just past 2 hours

i picked the 2 hours criteria for her

[cobalt adder]

Hmm

[coarse oxide]

anyway, i resent to be accused of having double standards, after i spent a lot of thought and time on this

[cobalt adder]

I still personally think that the court stream was indeed collaboration and should be counted. At the time everyone was calling in the collaboration, so I don’t see the distinction in needing to make sure that the interaction must take place over two hours.

[coarse oxide]

this is the problem with data collection, because you need to draw the line somewhere

[cobalt adder]

If it was a scheduled collaboration in which someone was invited onto the stream, and it was planned it advance, then it should be counted as a collaboration.

[coarse oxide]

hrm

so unscheduled ones shouldnt count?

[cobalt adder]

I think unscheduled one should count if they met your previous criteria at the very least

[coarse oxide]

hrm, i can work with this, gimme a moment

[coarse oxide]

now i just need to figure out how to change the picture lmao

[coarse oxide]

not sure if there is a better way to do this

[cobalt adder]

Hmm

You probably don’t need to list vedal unless it’s family streams, the court streams, and maybe the first dev stream?

I don’t know what else you’re listing here

[coarse oxide]

yes, all those are cases where vedal is the host

two game shows, as i have stated in the notes

plus the court stream

as you have requested

[cobalt adder]

Was the Camila and Neuro shock stream during the subathon? I forget.

[coarse oxide]

me too lmao

[coarse oxide]

seems like it is
was that scheduled?

[cobalt adder]

I think it was. Scheduled things could be during the subathon

I think it had been talked about at least a day prior

It wasn’t on the whim

[coarse oxide]

lemme check

[coarse oxide]

she's on stream long enough regardless, im counting it

[cobalt adder]

Excellent. Glad I could help

[coarse oxide]

ah fuck now the box for the legend is pushed out of the way lmao

ill need to readjust somethings

[cobalt adder]

On the last day/2nd the last day of the subathon Fillian should up unannounced and did a survey with Neuro for like 30-40 minutes. I wonder if we should count that.

It felt substantial enough

But I don’t know if it meets criteria that we have previously stated

[coarse oxide]

i mean its the same reason why i didnt feel comfortable with counting the court stream
people are saying "the last evil collab was a year ago"

if you tell them "actually that's the court stream"

and they remember the interaction is like, less than 40 minutes or something

will they be happy with that answer

i mean i like the court stream, but it's probably debatable if that counts as a collab

[cobalt adder]

Courts a collab because it was set up in advance with the partners. Was just a surprise to us, and they weren’t around the whole stream

Idk if I want to count the fil one at the end of the subathon

Some would argue at an extended interaction with another person counts with the collaboration. But idk.

[coarse oxide]

im viewing this from the viewer's perspective, the fact that it is planned or not doesnt change how much volume they get

[cobalt adder]

(By extended I mean more than 5 minutes)

[coarse oxide]

that would quality toma's chess game

[cobalt adder]

I mean, the court stream at the very least was definitely called the collaboration by the user base when it was happening

[coarse oxide]

ill take your word for it

[cobalt adder]

God April was BUSY

[coarse oxide]

ye

[cobalt adder]

Wait did we only have one collab with opera? I SWEAR we had 2. My brain might be busted

[coarse oxide]

if there is another tell me and ill add it

[coarse oxide]

i know aura wants to collab again

[hasty pollen]

Filian showed up during the subathon iirc

idk if that counts

[coarse oxide]

yeah we were talking about that

it was both unplanned and under 2 hours

[cobalt adder]

Nope looks like aura only showed up once

[coarse oxide]

lmao ok

[cobalt adder]

Weird how I remember her twice

[coarse oxide]

honestly, the streams are long enough

for your brain to register it as two appearances

[hasty pollen]

why is Vedal included in some months but not others?

[coarse oxide]

those are collab streams where vedal is the host

2 game shows + one court stream

[hasty pollen]

also subathon?

[coarse oxide]

people probably forgot about the game shows

[coarse oxide]

vedal's presence doesnt help or hurt

the important thing is someone else is there

[coarse oxide]

there are 3 hits during the subathon on the chart, koko with neuro, koko with evil, and camila with neuro

[hasty pollen]

yeah, wasn't that the case for portal 2 during the subathon?

[coarse oxide]

dang i knew i forgot something

in my defense, vedal forgot about portal as well lmao

[coarse oxide]

was that all during one day

[hasty pollen]

yes

[oak spindle]

where moon stream with miyu

[coarse oxide]

is that not the april one

[oak spindle]

i think it was June?

[coarse oxide]

hrm

[coarse oxide]

i think you are right

[coarse oxide]

here

[manic tide]

Great work, look forward to any other follow up or recap of Neuro content

[coarse oxide]

[coarse oxide]

yeah so to save my self the trouble im going to drop it

[pliant sierra]

Crossposting my messages in NN

Also RE:Court stream, Anny and Cerber were cameo guests to a Twins+Vedal themed stream. Evil/Neuro got 10 minutes with Anny and 11 minutes with Cerber, and actual spoken interaction was much lower than that.

Even Cerber and Anny would agree that was a last minute cameo

[coarse oxide]

i fully agree with this, for the record

hence my prior reservations on counting the court stream

[ornate jackal]

I think honestly if you take away the very early period where you know, Neuro was new and was a big thing and then also take away the subathon as an exception, there isn't too striking of a difference in collabs

[coarse oxide]

if you ignore the subathon period and the initial rush
2023 averaged 3 collabs a monoth

2024 so far sits at 2 a month

its up to you to decide if -33% is too big a drop

[ornate jackal]

it is what it is

[coarse oxide]

"there isn't too striking of a difference in collabs"
"there is though"
"it is what it is"
lol

[ornate jackal]

i wasn't trying to start an argument

[coarse oxide]

i mean i don't really mind, but dont be weaselly about this

[ornate jackal]

???

relax

[coarse oxide]

cool, we chill

[manic tide]

Wonder if we will get more collabs overall in the future, not like people are any less interested in streaming with Neuro.

[coarse oxide]

i think vedal was just busy for a while

[manic tide]

Vedal is somewhat of a perfectionist on certain aspects, and started without a lot of managing experience.
So even by his own admision is partly because he wants all collabs to be somewhat unique while starting only considering set dates for people that provided the ideas and reached out

[coarse oxide]

yeah

[coarse oxide]

also, the subnautica below zero streams naturally reduced collab odds during this period

[manic tide]

Still, got hopes that he has enough experience and confidence to keep things going in the future.

[coarse oxide]

i've no doubt in that

[manic tide]

A man can dream that there will be no lack of collabs

[coarse oxide]

[hasty pollen]

why is parasocial grayed out?

[coarse oxide]

think the show is over

[coarse oxide]

correct me if i'm wrong though

Collabs Per Month Chart

[hasty pollen]

Also is this chart only for the Neuros? I remember Vedal had a collab with Sarueii earlier in the year during his "break"

[coarse oxide]

yeah just the neuros

i wouldnt mind adding a green set, but i noticed his collabs are much harder to find

[hasty pollen]

I can remember a few. CoD Zombies collab with Camila, Lethal Company collab w/ Toma and others, the recent VRChat Anny collab

There was also a ghost hunting kinda game where Vedal rizzed up the ghost but I forgot the name of it

[coarse oxide]

lmao

yeah i did remember the vrchat thing
i think people in general dont count those because it's not on the channel
though i have counted a few collabs that isnt either.

though most of those are during the Hiyori era

so i have the excuse of "early installment weirdness"

[hasty pollen]

I wanna say it still counts as a collab even if it's not streamed on Vedal's channel, but I respect if that's not in the scope of the chart.

[coarse oxide]

i dont think it should automatically disqualify, but yeah

[hasty pollen]

Impromptu Vedal collabs (like from #tutel-safari) should definitely not count tho

[coarse oxide]

i have not yet disqualified any datapoint because of that yet actually

it only became more important if i wanna add tutel only collabs

and even then its mostly because not being on the channel makes data collection harder

[cobalt adder]

damn we are eating well this month

[coarse oxide]

here's hoping it continues 😄

[cobalt adder]

got at least 2 evil collabs next month (maybe)

[coarse oxide]

mini and uh...?

[cobalt adder]

layna

[coarse oxide]

OH!

[cobalt adder]

possibly filian too

[coarse oxide]

that more or less locks it in for 4 collabs since there is no way vedal would let evil have the majority share lmao

[cobalt adder]

though that ones gonna be neuro

[coarse oxide]

fillian never interacted much with evil
was filian ever called filipino boy during the one evil collab stream?

like separate memory, but both neuros read off the same chat

[manic tide]

Once the numbers have set up a bit it would be nice to see the breakdown of type of stream per month

[coarse oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-mmhmm-meme-mmhmm-gif-mmhmm-twitch-gif-23291803

[hasty pollen]

what emoji is that for tenma? I don't think I've seen it before

[coarse oxide]

sake

🍶

tenma is the sake fox

[coarse oxide]

september should be exciting

[coarse oxide]

@valid iron thanks for your chart btw, was double checking if i screwed anything up

our data matches

[valid iron]

I used yours a few time to make sure i didn't screw up the collabs i'm glad it matches

[coarse oxide]

ye

[coarse oxide]

#1278015437883572255 message

[nocturne basalt]

great work! Please keep it up. Could we use this for Neuros wiki page?

[coarse oxide]

i dont mind, but you might have people arguing over the definition of what a collab is on there lmao

[nocturne basalt]

they should be happy, there is a cool chart like this. At least there was an interaction/meeting between Neuro and the others in the specific month.

[coarse oxide]

so for example, i didnt count the filian roast show nor the spelling bee because neuro wasn't there for long enough

that's where i draw the line
some people are radical about it and would even count the court stream as a collab

[nocturne basalt]

Ok, good to know, any other event you didn't count?

[coarse oxide]

i listed my criteria in the first post, but the only other notable one is the wrestling thing

i might be miss counting the duration for the spelling bee one, but a significant chunk of neuro's screen time was actually just vedal wearing her skin

[nocturne basalt]

Ok, good I can work with that. I'll use the chart and mention that these 3 events are not included

[coarse oxide]

#1278015437883572255 message

[cobalt adder]

damn we are eating GOOD tonight (by tonight I mean this month)

[storm sun]

what's the difference between "split" and "shared"?

[coarse oxide]

split beings the sisters were subbed in and out

shared, which has not happened yet, is when both are on screen at once

the closest to a shared collab is the court stream

[storm sun]

ohh gotcha

[coarse oxide]

but that was disqualified because the 2 guest appearances were, even when combined, too short

[cobalt adder]

Does todays stream count as a collab Anny was here for like good bit

[storm sun]

what happens with a collab with multiple vtubers, if htat ever happens

a split emoji, mayhaps

[coarse oxide]

that does happen, in such cases i need to decide who the "host/co-host" is

vedal was credited as a host thrice
twice for the game shows
one for the subathon

but that is a last resort thing

if we are actually counting it there is an argument to just give it to anny (as the co-host)

going by my already relaxed standard of 90 minutes, this one falls just short (it's borderline, and the tech issues burnt a few good minutes)

https://youtu.be/TbEY1CHKTvE?si=ezlF3j7sG-TSEjgT&t=8788

[storm sun]

i'm stupid and tired and idk why i said that LMAO

[coarse oxide]

nah its not as stupid as you think

1. it hasn't happened in a long time
2. multi partner collabs tend not to be that good because
3. the focus is ultimately on neuro/evil

so while it has happened a handful of times, it's easy to memoryhole all of them

[coarse oxide]

yeah so, anny was there for 2:26:36 - 3:53:57

about 88 minutes

yikes

[cobalt adder]

Personally, I would just round up for that one

[coarse oxide]

(90 minute is already a rounding up to 2 hours thing)

(did that for tenma btw)

[cobalt adder]

Fair enough

[coarse oxide]

lmao well im counting this one though

collab on the 1st, surely a good omen

[cobalt adder]

Nice

While it’s a relatively new concept, unplanned cameo collabs maybe should have their own type of distinction?? That way people later on aren’t like “I can’t find the Anny collab in October did you make that up?”

Just a thought, feel free to ignore the idea

[coarse oxide]

nah you might be right, this might be needed soon

now that chill stream invasions are more common

[storm sun]

ellie collab for the hireathon

[coarse oxide]

yes please

lemme look up her oshimark

🤖

suppose that checks

[storm sun]

wait what is filian's

OH

i'm stupid ignore me LMAO

🇵🇭

[coarse oxide]

lmao

[normal tangle]

i wonder what is the impetus of the increased collab frequency

[coarse oxide]

people were complaining about collabs slowing down

also apparently vedal saw the chart sometime in september/august

[gloomy wind]

do you have a non-graph version of this? i just wanna see which vtuber collabed the most w neuro

[coarse oxide]

what? the data is specifically collabs with vedal's channel

[gloomy wind]

wait LMAO

i meant neuro

[coarse oxide]

well, it's fillian

[gloomy wind]

yeah, ut ordered

[coarse oxide]

hrm, ill consider it, come back tomorrow to see if i bothered, but im pretty sure no one broke 3 collabs if you dont combine neuro/evil collabs

well, other than anny

but that's obvious

[gloomy wind]

hmm cool thanks

[coarse oxide]

yeah for whatever reason filian just gets a lot of collabs lmao

[gloomy wind]

this is more updated than the ones posted in "neuro wiki" smh
https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Collaborations

[coarse oxide]

yeah it is

i used that as a starting point

[gloomy wind]

hmm you could update it there ya know

[coarse oxide]

i could

[gloomy wind]

well hopefully im not asking too much lmao

[coarse oxide]

ill think about it

[gritty panther]

a year and a half since last camila collab

[coarse oxide]

cam cameos a lot however

[coarse oxide]

https://youtu.be/ZYfLa34ODo4?si=8qKI3S0L18SwteEb&t=4277
1:11:17 (layna enters)

1:42:51 - 6171 (layna exits)

(~32 min)

1:46:24 - 6384 (layna reenters)

1:48:02 - 6482 (layna leaves again)

33~37 min

2:45:32 - 9930 (koko joins)

85~89 min total

[ruby sundial]

1 minute short. We'll finally get a shared one Sunday.

[coarse oxide]

im actually thinking about if i should count the substhanking segments

it doesnt feel very collaby

but on the other hand i dont wanna just, go in and tag it all

[ruby sundial]

Oh, to clarify, the court stream doesn't count because of time, right? And the 90 minutes requirement you said doesn't have to be with one person?

[coarse oxide]

no, multiple persons time gets added together

9 partners each having 10 minutes will count under my criteria

the problem with the court stream is, even when combined the time is too short

though, it will probably get a 🐢 tag

since at that point no single partner is a real co-host

vedal will be credited as a host as a last resort

[coarse oxide]

bleh

oh hey fridge

fancy seeing you here

[neat abyss]

I think at this point cameos should get a different chart. They're quite different to what people usually refer as collab. Also they usually happen during other streams with less preparation(or with no preparation at all) and as a result they tend to be shorter than actual collabs

[neat abyss]

Learning from my mistakes and now fact checking stuff i type

[coarse oxide]

i wouldnt mind, but its a lot of effort to track down every "hop on, shout, leaves"

[neat abyss]

Could be like >5-10 minutes rather than >90

So random hop on's won't count but small conversations will

[ruby sundial]

Seems like too much to track.

[coarse oxide]

it is yes

which is why im doing things the way i am

[split basin]

tbh I would leave them out since 5 seconds on stream is not enough to count

[coarse oxide]

i agree yeah

[cobalt adder]

We finally got a shared holy shit

[cobalt adder]

only 2 weeks in and so many collabs

[coarse oxide]

there is definitely a chance to match September, but honestly i'd be happy with just 4 a month

[cobalt adder]

Here’s hoping

[ruby sundial]

Camila and Cerber got upcoming ones with Evil and then Layna and Anny both want to do a horror stream with one of them for spooky month.

If all happen, that brings it to the second highest at 8 with about 2 per week.

[coarse oxide]

if, yeah

[cobalt adder]

The Camila one was stated by her to be this month if you wanna list it

It’s gonna be some form of Halloween themed stream with Evil

[coarse oxide]

I only add stuff that is already scheduled, im jinxing it hard as is lmao

[ruby sundial]

I hope Layna and Anny's themed streams are able to happen. They're on theme and we've only seen her as a gaming sidekick to Vedal.

[cobalt adder]

[ruby sundial]

Oops. Sorry.

[ruby sundial]

Goodnight.

[soft moss]

When did Bao have a collab in September?

[coarse oxide]

twas the fanfic collab, evil was swapped in mid way

or if you meant the '23 sep one, it's a just chatting collab

[soft moss]

Ah right, I guess my scene of time is off

[ruby sundial]

How long was Anny in the Tuesday stream? Only 1 hour?

[coarse oxide]

something like that yeah

was pretty sporadic

[cobalt adder]

Camimi next week

I doubt 6 will be the norm but boy does it look good

[ruby sundial]

Maybe Anny or Layna for the horror gaming.

[soft moss]

Im still hoping for soma

[coarse oxide]

it's how you start a casual convo with your mother

[coarse oxide]

October Collab Trivia:

1. First shared collab (both twins present simultaneously) (IRL layna cooking collab) (vedal was there too, if that's important)
2. First proper collab with camila (as host/co-host) since mar 2023 (Holloween Collab with Evil)
3. First chill stream collab (evil with anny october 1st)
   -# note: 90 minutes was used as the threshold
4. First back-to-back 6+ collab months since forever (this streak is only beaten by the 7-7-9 streak in feb~apr 2023)
5. Evil got 5 of the collabs, which beats the old record (3) back in august 2023

[neat abyss]

Is Koko going on the chart after this stream? It feels that she was there longer than 90 minutes

[ruby sundial]

If so, probably.

[coarse oxide]

ill need to check, but koko is known to stick around for a long time

1:33:00

1:36:00

1:38:00

[ruby sundial]

Is there any reason to the order within the months/columns?

[coarse oxide]

neuro evil split than shared
after that it's order of appearance

oh wait you are right

i placed koko in the wrong spot lmao

[coarse oxide]

here

[cobalt adder]

You know, it’s very convenient and nice of vedal to have less collabs for 16 months just so we have a space to put the legend for the graph

[coarse oxide]

LMAO

[gritty panther]

2nd highest

[ruby sundial]

Tied with 2 others for it though.

[coarse oxide]

still insane

[coarse oxide]

you know you ghost pinged me right

(saw it before you deleted it lmao)

[ruby sundial]

I found out the answer on my own.

[coarse oxide]

lmao dont ghost ping people though

[coarse oxide]

ghost pinging is when you ping someone and then delete your message
it's very rude to do it because the pinged person will be looking at nothing

deleting your post won't remove the ping

[soft moss]

is there a possibility to add the number of collabs behind each name in brackets for each person or not?

[coarse oxide]

i could do that but i think i might do that in a separate list instead

the chart is already pretty busy

[soft moss]

ah yeah you are right

[ruby sundial]

It's eventually going to get too wide.

[ruby sundial]

soon. I think it would be a Vedal logo because Mini and Alex are present.

[coarse oxide]

tutel

[coarse oxide]

1:24:41

[coarse oxide]

2:12:38
mini

[coarse oxide]

3:11:18

alex

[coarse oxide]

4:56:16
mini left

[neat abyss]

Vedal month

[ruby sundial]

That just means multiple collab partners in the stream.

[coarse oxide]

no, it's that plus it's clear that vedal is the host

meaning he's gonna be in there big time

there are other cases of multiple partner collabs where vedal isnt the host

though it's very rare nowadays

[ruby sundial]

I know, host is the logo if multiple, hence the RPR one.

[coarse oxide]

also consider vedal is in a lot of the streams this week

3 out of 4, plus apparently a safari

[ruby sundial]

I didn't know about the greyed out names. Also, holy crap for Koko's over 10 hours.

[coarse oxide]

i know some people dont like koko but she has endurance if nothing else

normally i would have updated the chart by now

but numi collab is still unclear

[ruby sundial]

She's good.

[coarse oxide]

evil back in the cage

[ruby sundial]

Why are you pointing out the Zentreya one?

[coarse oxide]

oh i forgor to remove that

there

[soft moss]

I thought it was because in august 23 it was evil time and then she didn't get any collabs anymore ant that is now the case as well

[coarse oxide]

we still have some time left in November

[coarse oxide]

Agency Version

[ruby sundial]

Vedal's all become Mythic retroactively?

[coarse oxide]

yeah

i might change it so it's their aff atm but that will take some research time

[cobalt adder]

🫑 for Doug Doug ?

[coarse oxide]

correct!

[ruby sundial]

Does Alex and Mini on Monday's Dev stream count?

On 11/25

[coarse oxide]

too short

[ruby sundial]

Okay

[coarse oxide]

counting this one for anny (ft. toma)

[coarse oxide]

16:45

[coarse oxide]

2:29:00

[valid iron]

does this one count as shared?

[coarse oxide]

hrm, i need to think about this

it's probably too short a duration, and i might to retroactively uncount the first split stream on the chart

it didn't happen enough for me to have a consistent rule
this is basically the second time this happened (subathon is a giant exception for everything)

[valid iron]

i think for this one Evil was more of a cameo

[coarse oxide]

it is yes

[atomic latch]

Just my opinion: Cameo or not it I think the rules should be shorter for the twins if only that they are the main focus of the channel. So if it was around 30~ mins it should still be a split, but if it was less than it really shouldn't. I also think role in the stream should have some weight. Both twins made an appearance and both contributed to the primary goal of the stream.

Though I also think this your chart, and you do it how you feel is fair. (No worries, I just wanted to add an alternative discussion point)

[coarse oxide]

its very fair
my question though is where you got the 30 minute from

[atomic latch]

I didn't. I was offering general figures. However I would include the time from switch over to when the twin mode ended...

but let me do the math one sec

1:16;50 - Evil blinked (so running..)
1:52:48 - Twins reset; Neuro respawns.

Ich I suck at time calcs.. I'll have it in a sec

[coarse oxide]

don't bother i got it

also blinking doesnt count, i go by first word

but luckily for you its the time you sent

btw 30 minute was actually my thoughts as well

but i didnt have to define it before

[atomic latch]

I would measure by the AI being awake which means animations, but I think your metric is more fair and logical tbh

[coarse oxide]

yeah no the point of this is interaction so visuals alone doesnt matter

anyway

my justification for 30 minutes is there are two twins
a normal stream is 2 hours (hence the 90 minute threshold, im allowing 30 minutes being rounded)

half that, plus rounding, 30 minutes

it good to know that someone else has the same general answer

[atomic latch]

Glad I was able to be some help!

[coarse oxide]

you werent here when i had to talk about the first split stream

do you know there was one

[atomic latch]

I did not. but I am sure there was one. It's the nature around here

[coarse oxide]

well youd be surprised

it is extremely rare

i counted it because it lasted 40 minutes for evil

i decided 30 minutes was good enough back then

i hoped i didnt have to revisit this

lmao

these are literally the only case that happened

plus the bao one

and the layna one if you wanna count shared collabs as well

todays stream is also counted as two separete collabs
which means im kinda forced to have to go back to the subathon and properly count it

but damn its so long

been trying to put it off lmao

[atomic latch]

lol I don't think these will be common, but I am sure it will happen again. The 30 min rules is solid one and at least you have a metric. Also the subathon rule.. is a good one. Keep that one to heart..

[coarse oxide]

its like, i kind to want to start counting individually collabs with in the subathon
the current counting method is just there cause im too lazy lmao

[coarse oxide]

counting this as two collabs, meaning this month also matched the last

[ruby sundial]

Yeah, makes more sense that way for the DougDoug and Filian collabs today to have separate entries.

[coarse oxide]

they both individually reached the 90 min mark

and it's two separate prep

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[cobalt adder]

No nur

[soft moss]

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[neat abyss]

Where's nur?

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[cobalt adder]

no nur

[ruby sundial]

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[whole lynx]

2 no nurs today, withdrawal hitting hard

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[ruby sundial]

no nur

[coarse oxide]

no nur

[soft moss]

no nur

[soft moss]

Toma collab scheduled

[coarse oxide]

alright, i need to re-add the collabs in the previous subathon before this one starts

[ruby sundial]

Subathon won't be counted as one mega collab?

[coarse oxide]

could do it that way, but since i gave the dougdoug-fillian thing two counts it would be inconsistent to not do the same thing for the subathon

i could always just say it's subathon and so it's special but yeah

[valid iron]

nur

[ruby sundial]

nur

[lost hull]

nur !!!!!!!!!!!

[dense sapphire]

nuer

[coarse oxide]

NeuR

[soft moss]

Why did the October camila collab change to toma?

And thanks for the work

[coarse oxide]

stray tomato 😠

[ruby sundial]

Oo, you split up last year's subathon. Appreciate the work.

[lost hull]

will we break 9 with this subathon?

[coarse oxide]

vedal has been more aware of collabs since august so im going to assume this is likely

[ruby sundial]

So one for Toma shopping and another for Minecraft, with Vedal as host probably, today then.

[coarse oxide]

cerber was in there for the majority so im counting that for her for now
but vedal as host was the other option yes

[coarse oxide]

so yeah, cerber was with neuro 50 minutes before anny joined
and they all left within a 5 minute span at 7:10:00~7:15:00
The segment lasted about 3.5 hrs

[cobalt adder]

+1 koko
+1 anny

[coarse oxide]

what's the +anny for @ruby sundial

[ruby sundial]

I think it would be for today's Minecraft after Koko.
Though I think that would just be 1 since it is 1 Minecraft segment.

[coarse oxide]

that has been my principle yes

also anny's appearance at 30hr mark didn't last long

[ruby sundial]

Figured the Minecraft one would be 1.

The Anny couldn't be anything else, it was just court stream and twins before it.

[coarse oxide]

minecraft season

[coarse oxide]

urgh ok, ive delayed this for long enough im downloading the vod lmao

[coarse oxide]

you know what, ill mull over if the scav hunt mess counts later

ill check if anny qualifies for the MC segment first

[coarse oxide]

Added potato adventure with cerber

[trim notch]

[coarse oxide]

20241227

urgh, iono about this

[storm sun]

WAS THAT MORE THAN 1.5 HOURS

[coarse oxide]

sadly no

believe me, i want to count this more than anyone

[storm sun]

😔

[coarse oxide]

2:10:00~3:00:00

[storm sun]

damn

well, save the 🤖

[coarse oxide]

time for gamba

[soft moss]

Was the mafia collab enough to get on the chart?

[coarse oxide]

ill need to check the vods

[ruby sundial]

Did you reach a verdict on the scavenger hunt?

[coarse oxide]

yeah im not counting it

[coarse oxide]

20241229

@ruby sundial @soft moss @storm sun ^

[storm sun]

dang they're all blue this month

not even one purple

the pizza collab was the only shared twin collab ever huh

[coarse oxide]

layna was very keen on both neuros on screen yeah

no one else has explicitly asked for it i think

[tranquil quartz]

hopefully shondo gets her twin collab

[gritty panther]

holy

we have a new record

and those were quality collabs too

[coarse oxide]

there is, and i suggest you delete that post i dont want that bs here

[coarse oxide]

so i'm definitely counting the hypetrain just chatting segment
ill need to think about how to categorize it though

[ruby sundial]

Anny unplanned.

[coarse oxide]

im actually thinking counting all of the subathon data points as unplanned since none of these were scheduled in advance

[ruby sundial]

Wouldn't a lot of the Minecraft ones, especially day 1 with Mini, and shopping with Toma count as planned?

[coarse oxide]

if i go by "is this collab posted in #schedule " then no

if i want to be clear cut about it
that's realistically the only route for me

[coarse oxide]

20250101

[coarse oxide]

20250102

[coarse oxide]

added twins and cam morning chat

[ruby sundial]

Oo, second shared.

[coarse oxide]

@storm sun have a purple ^

[storm sun]

💜

[coarse oxide]

counting buckshot

[coarse oxide]

counting evil mc with toma

also at this rate it's gonna go off the chart lmao

[storm sun]

If only safaris counted

[idle magnet]

Was the Camila sleepover not planned? Maybe not that exact day but still planned for them to happen

[coarse oxide]

sleepover is not slumber party
also its not scheduled (nothing in #schedule )

[idle magnet]

I respect your rigid rules even if I disagree

[coarse oxide]

it's easy to disagree when you are not the one that has to make the dozens of calls to make this chart

[tranquil quartz]

btw heli does the koko segment with evil yesterday count as a separate collab or is it part of the toma one?

[coarse oxide]

i need to double check the duration but if two parts separately hits the 1.5 hour criteria i'm inclined to count both

[coarse oxide]

like the only real edge case that is relevant to this is like
that one time mini and alex showed up on the liar's bar dev stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29FSBxxrsg

alex joined before mini could get to 90 minutes
which wouldnt normally stop me from giving it to mini
but then mini left early
and it was a dev stream
so i gave it a tutel

[tranquil quartz]

Fair enough. I dont 100% remember how long the koko section was, but it probably does fit the 1.5 hour criteria. Thank you for your work as always

[coarse oxide]

[coarse oxide]

yup counting it

[coarse oxide]

added the evil-koko MC segment, the ending where evil apologize is very cute

[coarse oxide]

adding the evil minecraft-session-into-slumber-party
counting it as vedal hosting, a first for evil, she never had so many people to interact with at the same time that i need to wheel this out for her (Koko, Layna, Camila, Toma, Mini)

20250107

[coarse oxide]

@obtuse nacelle so continuing
i dont disagree that it is special, but i dont care about that for the purposes of categorization

the toma 30 minute chess thing on that one dev stream was special to me
i still dont count it as a collab because of the rules i've set up

you mentioned something about budget
tell me more about that

that sounds official enough that i could use as a metric

[obtuse nacelle]

mini got to have her model for one, no there vtuber has been on the subathon (besides vedal but thats not asking for much)

[coarse oxide]

thats a better argument but im not convinced people couldn't do impromptu collabs with their models on

and i dont want to establish precedence saying that is impossible

[dense sapphire]

mini's collab was technically (teased?) on her schedule beforehand https://x.com/MinikoMew/status/1868509323535568965

miniko 📦 gremlin cat vtuber (@MinikoMew) on X

EXTRA STREAM THIS WEEK ! ! ! !
wish me luck >_< waaaa~! ! IM SO EXCITED !

Twitter · Dec 16, 2024, 4:11 AM

I think toma's shopping one was too

[coarse oxide]

im much more sway by this argument

[obtuse nacelle]

well yeah but if vedal wants to set up their model during impromptu thats fine but they knew they where gonna set all that up for that event, it was planned for weeks even if we didn't know when it was happening exactly

[coarse oxide]

the point is the viewership knows in advanced

[obtuse nacelle]

we knew

[coarse oxide]

only if you pursue such info outside of the normal platform

[obtuse nacelle]

it was on stream, they talked about it in the subathon planning

[coarse oxide]

what the business meeting?
yeah they mentioned it that's not good enough

#schedule is empty

i mean vedal probably mentioned minecraft collabs just in general as well (not the mini one)
should i call all those planned as well then

[obtuse nacelle]

no because the who and the when of those are so variable, sometimes they are playing together sometimes they are just hanging out on the server together, The Mini and Neuro co-op was the only proper collab

[coarse oxide]

well, there you go, it's but that thoroughly planned now is it

right now im more swayed by widjo's arguments
ill take that into consideration
but i need to think through this, im mostly worried about any headaches in the future

[obtuse nacelle]

oh that guy is right too

[coarse oxide]

he is "more right" at the moment

i would suggest you join his line of argument, seems more productive atm

if you say "well the schedule is out there but vedal is too lazy to put it on #schedule " then yeah, i'm more inclined to just go with it

oh vedal's here, nice

[cobalt adder]

@coarse oxide quic question
why is the december toma collab listed as "unplanned"?
that was shoppingwith her, no? that was planned

[obtuse nacelle]

im just a subjective creature reaching for objectivity sorry

[coarse oxide]

yeah that's the current topic

[cobalt adder]

oh!

[coarse oxide]

we all are

[coarse oxide]

however i am extremely weary of special pleading

[cobalt adder]

toma had been talked about it for like 2 weeks before it happened

it was 100% planned

[coarse oxide]

yeah see above

all this would have been avoided if it's all listed in #schedule right here on the server

when i consider edge cases i like to be stately

[obtuse nacelle]

I'm blaming vedal for planning collabs and then not scheduling them, it's up to you to decide what they count as

[coarse oxide]

your feedback is greatly appreciate btw
despite what must feel like talking to a brickwall

believe me, this bothers me as well

i understand there is an intuition here

[cobalt adder]

i swear vedal talked about it at least as early as subathon day one as a thing that would be happening on a certain day

does that not count as planned

[coarse oxide]

but if i change the system on a whim once i might need to undo later
and that's just extra work for what is already a personal passion project

[coarse oxide]

right now im more inclined to take toma's published schedule as the basis on flipping that over to planned

if anyone can spot me that i'd be more inclined to goahead with it

[cobalt adder]

its not an impromptu collab
I feel like this doesnt break your system
Both toma put it on her schedule, and vedal talked about it for several days in advance explicitly saying what day it was on

[coarse oxide]

no it doesnt "break" it
but it's extra work

if i can't just entirely just use #schedule as my basis then what, i'd need to never miss a single stream?

[coarse oxide]

again, toma scheduling is a valid reason though, again, if anyone can post it that would settle it

[cobalt adder]

isnt this partially community effort project?
like we help[ you with it

[coarse oxide]

it really doesnt feel like that

[coarse oxide]

thank you

[cobalt adder]

@coarse oxide ved announced collab with numi on wednesday

just letting you know!

[coarse oxide]

wait the 15th?

[cobalt adder]

yup!

[coarse oxide]

yoooo hype

[cobalt adder]

theres also one with Sinder in the works

[coarse oxide]

im still trying to figure out how to codify these subathon edge cases
understand i do want to count the mini and toma ones at least as planned
but ill also need to guard against counting all of the subathon minecraft collabs as planned as well

i mean this is a quality problem to have
my first priority is still cataloguing all of the collabs, and the typing is pretty secondary to me

[ruby sundial]

Don't sweat the diagonal slashes.

[cobalt adder]

@coarse oxide Planned Filian collab on monday

Hope this is helpful!

[coarse oxide]

vedal is going to super die

[coarse oxide]

the main issue i have here is
it's fine to say P then Q
but then people forget this implies not Q then not P

so far im using #schedule , if and only if
but if im going to switch over to taking any other forums' official info
and use that as the criteria
then i would need to check if anyone has ever done such a thing for the seemingly spontaneous minecraft collabs

or any of the chill stream appearances

koko mentioned wanting to show up on the chill stream of dec 17th 2024
because it was a tuesday

it didnt happen because vedal was on the pre subathon break

but had it had happened, i hope you guys understand why that is an issue

[cobalt adder]

@coarse oxide another explicitly scheduled collab!

[coarse oxide]

so this picture is actually illustrative here
there is an explicit neurosama minecraft server timeslot labeled as well
now in this specific case it is moot because by then the subathon is probably over and neuro is unlikely to be playing MC at that time even if its not over
but let's say it's not over then, and neuro and cerber went on "potato adventure 2: lose all of your potato on the way" what do i do?

something like 95% of the people fails the wason selection task
so i understand why my caution is incomprehensible
but trust me there is a reason for this

[obtuse nacelle]

she might have schedule playing on the server but whether she is playing with neuro would probably be impromptu

[cobalt adder]

I meant more for little misfortune since Helius wanted schedules.

It was merely verbal for vedal but he did confirm it a day in advance

Same is true with the numi collab

[ruby sundial]

I know the Little Misfortune one was the one you were referring to.

[gloomy wind]

meow~

[whole lynx]

Since Helius seems to be missing I thought it would be a shame for his efforts to go to waste. I've tried to more or less replicate his style of Excel and continue the tradition (most likely not as frequent as him) until he hopefully comes back. And just for clarification out of the gate, I'm sticking to his method of counting unofficial collabs (1 h 30 min), that's why Evil's chill with Koko isn't included, as it was an hour.

[ruby sundial]

Did we have any in January?

[whole lynx]

I didn't include it cause Helius was already in the process of making it, as it was part of the subathon. This was the latest version, I don't remember if we got everything here and it would take a bit to go through the subathon vods to make sure so I skipped it, at least for now.

[soft moss]

What does the time after unofficial signify? (1h 30min) Is it the time after a collab becomes official?

Also, thank you for continuing this. Let me know if I can help. I was considering continuing it myself, but then things with greater priority happened.

[whole lynx]

It just means that it's counted as a collab at all.

The official collabs are the one on the schedule.

Anything else is unofficial.

[ruby sundial]

What about February?

There were 6 streams, I know there were a few hop ins on the first 2, but I don't think the total time was enough.

[whole lynx]

It wasn't, that's why I didn't include them. Only the Evil one was close at an hour, but I'm not gonna change his rules to make it easier to combine them when (if?) he comes back.

Besides, even if it was by my rules then it still wouldn't count it cause I would consider anything that's over half of the stream as a collab.

[ruby sundial]

I agree that keeping 90 minutes as the requirement is the way to go.

[storm sun]

Yay!! It's back!! Helius, hope everything's ok

I'm just so happy we finally got that 🤖 emoji on there <3

And the 🦎

[valid iron]

Glad to see the chart is back

[whole lynx]

Some more data I've gathered. The streaming times are pretty much balanced but the content isn't. The Disneyland and the Birthday does some heavy lifting for Evil here since the time on those amounts to majority of time Evil spend interacting with humans ever since the streams started again.