#Neuro-Sama on BiliBili

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valid patio
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About Vedal going to BiliBili... I just hope he knows how big of a risk he's taking by doing that, and it's not just about "being banned from a site if something happens".

I've seen, first hand, what happened to Hololive, and how Coco, Haachama and their friend circles suffered from the harrassment campaign that ensued because they accidentally "stepped out of the line" by their standards (as in, showed their Analytics which just happened to have "Taiwan" as a location, just like the image Vedal showed at 26:45 in the last Dev Stream image below ). If even with a giant corporation backing they took literal months for the hate to calm down (hiatus, streams with chat disabled and no one even mentioning their existence for months), I'm very afraid of what can happen to him if he messes up.

Neuro, an AI that generates loads of unpredictable text every stream, is bound to speak something considered "too far" for that community, since the censorship there is way worse than on Twitch or most other places. Aside from her own inputs, you better be sure people WILL try to bait Neuro into saying something bad, stuff that you'd never imagine it would be bad in the first place (like "Winnie-the-Pooh", I'm not joking).

I can see 2 likely outcomes for Neuro going there:

  • Vedal will just restream over there with subtitles (like he's doing with JP), with no aditional filters, get banned in a month or so, and bring back all the antis to harrass him, his friend circle and all future collab partners, just like what happened to Hololive, or;
  • Neuro becomes so filtered in what she can say, she becomes basically a mouthpiece.

Maybe I might be overreacting because I saw, first hand, it happening to communities I was on, and I gotta tell you, it's not pretty.

At the end of the day, I really hope none of this happens and I'll happily eat my own words if it goes with no problems whatsoever.

I love this Community and don't want anything bad happening to it 💜 💜 💜

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maiden saddle
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yes we are talking about this in "Exploration of Asia bilibili live broadcast program"

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We hope Vedal makes the right choice

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We need to know the specific rules of Bilibili before we can make a decision about the filtered

upbeat sun
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Yeah, I just don't know if the potential fans are worth the possible consequences of a single slipup and work to implement filters for a Chinese audience...

I'm sure Vedal will figure something out though, he's a "smart" guy

solid grotto
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Nah, u are overeacting, the reason it got so big for Coco's case because, first.. Cover had ties with China market which is "HololiveCN". Second, the lack of moderation in Holo talent's stream and social media, and this is why antis can go berserk.
However, this is not the case for Vedal and Neuro, from business standpoint, this is the right move.. Vedal has everything to gain and nothing to lose, they're not a "Corpo" And IF Neuro doesn't work in China, They can just fucking dip. And Twitch has better moderation than youtube anyway.

whole mountain
kindred crag
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(Just going to mention this now - for everyone's sake, it'd be best not to touch on HololiveCN or anything surrounding that as it can spiral into arguments and debates we don't really want around here. Just mentioning it is alright when put in a neutral context, but please be careful. neuroPray)

crisp fjord
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Neuro and Hololive have very little in common. The audience is different. The fandom structure is different.

Contrary to popular belief in these parts, Haachama and Coco showing the analytics was not the sole reason all hell broke loose. It had to do with how Cover operated in China (volunteer translation groups). Going into the details is a whole essay. But it suffice to say Vedal's account works differently.

Also, haters don't harass someone just because - it takes time and effort. Coco suffered from an organized harassment campaign because of how big hololive was in China and how quickly it burnt down. In a short span, a whole lot of love turned into a whole lot of hatred, and that's why the harassment campaign kept going for months.

Even after all that drama, hololive clips are not banned on bilibili. Clippers and the general public just don't like them anymore. There are still a small community there that watches and clips hololive.

So 3 points:
Neuro is not nearly big enough
Literally no reason to hate neuro/vedal that much
Highly unlikely that neuro will be erased off the face of Chinese internet

source: trust me bro, I watched hololive since 2019 and clipped holo EN gen 1 on bilibili briefly

heady crag
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Yes, and he will farm it.

whole mountain
# crisp fjord Neuro and Hololive have very little in common. The audience is different. The fa...

The only safe reason is that neuro is not famous enough. The day neuro becomes famous may be the day be banned. But the purpose is to become more famous.
Neuro is totally different from the others, it is possible to suddenly become popular enough. Then whatever neuro or Vedal says and does now and in the past will be scrutinized.
So the best result is that Neuro didn't become famous.

It's not no problem if they didn't say any sensitive words, there are some things even people living in China cannot predict.
Someone took money from an environmental organization and made a public service advertisement to explain the relationship between Chinese people's meat-eating and the greenhouse effect, why the meat we eat will affect the rainforest on the other side of the earth. But it was interpreted as not allowing Chinese people to eat meat, foreign spies, wanting to reduce the physical fitness of Chinese people, and putting the blame on China for the greenhouse effect, etc. This is completely different from neuro, I am just explaining how unpredictable the risks are.

Of course, it's possible that nothing happened.

tame oyster
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Jarvis play backseating the streamer at max volume

tame oyster
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What are you SAYING brother.

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video essay Andy's after watching one 20 minute video peepoTalk

valid patio
# crisp fjord Neuro and Hololive have very little in common. The audience is different. The fa...

1p-The audience is the Vtuber fandom

2p-If Cover, with a whole team behind them, wasn't able to sustain a healthy community over there (for whatever reason it might've been) what makes you thing Vedal would manage by himself?

3p-You're saying they got harassed because they were big in China when it happened. This can be interpreted as "as long Vedal doesn't grow too much, he won't get hate". So when he does get a big following, he can expect harassment from "wrong doing"? thanks for enforcing my point. He's doing this with the sole purpose of growing a larger fanbase over there, if he can't grow without having the constant fear of your life simply turning into hell overnight, what's the reason to go there?

tame oyster
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Your second point just ignores the most important premise

valid patio
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which is?

tame oyster
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The reason

valid patio
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And what's the reason to justify ruining the life of 2 Vtubers and everyone who dared to support them?

tame oyster
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Mfer noones justifying it

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I am saying the reason those 2 got fucked by China may not be applicable to vedal

valid patio
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So explain the reason, so Vedal can avoid doing such thing

tame oyster
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Idk the lore brother.

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This is just commentary on your "(for whatever reason that might be)"

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Paraphrased

valid patio
tame oyster
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Brother

cedar tapir
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Choco_Think seems there could be problems over there but we had stuff like team 21 that has already gathered a fandom over there

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And i do remember there was problems already with for example evils birthday

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Though it seems more like a mythic issue? Aki_Think

tame oyster
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I love evils birthday discourse, one of the greatest hits if not the greatest

scenic bluff
nocturne shuttle
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If Vedal messes up and people come to harass him, then its the moderation team's problem not his

tame oyster
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It's definitely his problem too

nocturne shuttle
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Nah

tame oyster
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Not his fault (maybe)but it's definitely his problem if he's getting harassed

nocturne shuttle
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Why is it his problem if the mod team can fix it for him

tame oyster
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Bc he's getting harassed and the personal implications for that may not be fixable by mods

crisp fjord
# valid patio 1p-The audience is the Vtuber fandom 2p-If Cover, with a whole team behind them...

Since you absolutely want an essay

Cover operated on bilibili based on translation groups (volunteer clippers and translators). Each group would clip their oshi and control the official account, but all the revenue goes to Cover. They were unpaid and very overworked, but were effectively the sole point of communication between bilibili fans and hololive. In return, holomems occasionally had bilibili-only streams to interact with fans there, which usually meant large sums of donations.

This model was on the verge of collapse because it worked entirely on goodwill. However, the frequency of bilibili-only streams got less frequent and felt increasingly more perfunctory. Fans called this model "collecting rent" because it's almost as if Cover didn't give a damn and just sent holomems to collect money once in a while. Basically fans put in a tremendous amount of work and got little to no appreciation. So resent was building up even before anything happened.

When Haachama and Coco showed YouTube analytics, it was really just the last straw. All the translation groups rebelled and openly went against Cover on official accounts (with up to 1M followers).

See how none of this applies to Vedal and Neuro? Vedal controls the account through a local MCN. He's not using unpaid labor. And there are no KOLs to lead the hate train.