[2600+words]Exploration of Asia bilibili live broadcast program

[true inlet]

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Introduction
In order to enable Asian users to better watch the live broadcast, this proposal studies the possibility of rebroadcasting at different time periods from three aspects: the number of potential viewers, time arrangement and time difference, and the willingness of Chinese viewers, and puts forward suggestions for rebroadcasting the live broadcast to Asian users at other fixed times.
Part One: Potential audience number and Bilibili live revenue evaluation
On May 23, Beijing time, Bilibili announced its unaudited financial report for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024. While operating efficiency is improved, the user community of Bilibili still maintains healthy and high-quality growth. In the first quarter, the average daily active users of Bilibili increased by 9% year-on-year to 102 million. The average monthly active users exceeded 341 million, and the average daily use time was 105 minutes, both of which reached a record high. At the same time, with the continuous enrichment of quality content supply, the average daily video playback in the first quarter was nearly 5 billion times, an increase of 22%.
bilibili is an open platform, and if you open a live streaming account on Bilibili, it is almost equivalent to broadcasting live to most users in Asia. Here are the Asian countries and regions where Bilibili can be accessed (some remote areas may have high latency) :

[remote hill]

Btw to anyone concerned, that link links to a onedrive word document

hmmm chucolala... first time I've heard of this company
I'm surprised that bilibili also has users in the broaders asia market outside of china

Is the document supposed to stop at Part Two?

[true inlet]

no it will have 5 parts

[remote hill]

ah ok, will it get updated?

[true inlet]

yes, i havent finished it yet

now have 1640 words

[true inlet]

I'm struggling to get Vedal's attention on this proposal.

Maybe people in Asia know how to do it.

(click to add a reaction on header text,please!!!)

[remote hill]

eh i'm sure vedal will read this silently at some point
i haven't read the rest yet, will do that later

[hollow cosmos]

Will we encounter a firewall when visiting bilibili from the UK？

[true inlet]

There is no firewall, but you may need a VPN to enhance the viewing experience. Because the physical distance is too great.There should be a lot of VPN services available in London, and they are not very expensive.

[hollow cosmos]

eh, I am also a Chinese person, i'm just wondering if Vedal will encounter any difficulties when he comes here. I think we should also remind Vedal about more "Filtered"

[true inlet]

是的，但这并不是一个很大的问题。 Vedal曾开玩笑说，如果他被B站封了，他就能上B站热搜了，哈哈。

Yes, but it's not a big problem.

[hollow cosmos]

it's interesting

[remote hill]

I'm in europe and I can access it fine (both bilibili.tv and bilibili.com). I don't have an account though, and haven't tried uploading stuff.
Besides, he'd probably be able to set up a proxy or smth given that he is apparently quite good at networking stuff.

[true inlet]

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[muted sluice]

some of the data you use here are in 2020.why not use new data to make it more persuasive

[true inlet]

thanks i'll try to find new data

but it's really hard

[2000+words]Exploration of Asia bilibili live broadcast program

[true inlet]

the proposal is temporarily completed, although there are many areas that can be optimized, but the time is tight.

there are currently 2626 words
hope Vedal gives it some thought.

[2600+words]Exploration of Asia bilibili live broadcast program

[heavy trail]

You have unlocked new role

[true inlet]

what?

[true inlet]

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to watch the full version.

[wraith hinge]

You have unlocked new role

[rugged galleon]

I don't think your document is helpful enough. There are two big problems for all streamers who are not living in China. First, normally, you need an account which should pass the real-name verification by using a real Chinese Resident Identity Card. Chinese Passports are banned since 2023. You should use the ID card or facial recognition. Don't ask me why I know it, because my room was banned for a half year by this stupid policy. So it is impossible for Vedal to prepare the account by himself. Or maybe he can contact BiliBili for a special account. I'm not sure whether it works. Second, for most of the time, you need VPN to streaming in BiliBili. From about 4 years ago, BiliBili started banning streamers from foreign IPs. But now you can streaming without VPN in most of time, but at least, for me, you will just see a red network warning in OBS.

[proud brook]

【【现场实录】Neurosama惊现BW舞台——Mythic公会PV VTB部分-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/PQMpUho

Mythic guild has cooperation with bilibili officials, and their PV was featured in bilibili's annual exhibition. The official staff will handle it.

[proud brook]

I can find the latest quarterly bilibili financial report, but most of them are pictures and videos in Chinese. What information do you want?

[stable estuary]

trust vedal
he won't do this without preparing

[wraith hinge]

[full canyon]

Hope it works...

[past compass]

I defo think this could be worthwhile if he's very careful about it

And has the right connections

I think it'd be wise to do a full risk assessment before setting up shop just to be safe but I can defo see the benefit

[wraith hinge]

FYI, bilibili is on NASDAQ, if you need their earning information, you can find it on their investment home. There is English version.

For example, this is 2024 Q1 earning call.
https://ir.bilibili.com/media/jxpj2svv/q1-2024-bilibili-inc-investor-presentation.pdf

For bilibili revenue, livestream revenue split is 50/50 between livestreamer and Bilibili inc, but video revenue is very low comparing to YouTube.

[true inlet]

The exact plan needs to be decided by Vedal. You need to know that now it is Bilibili who invited Vedal, not Vedal who wants to go to Bilibili. The document simply asks Vedal to set separate live streaming times for Bilibili users. Trust Vedal to solve all of your above problems.

[kind coyote]

I don’t know streaming in Asia time nor streaming twice a day is practical since 1. Longer stream time might results in lower quality content and higher in ai server cost. 2. The language barrier and sensitive words in China. Even folks on bilibili don’t really want him to stream there as they know how toxic it is there. But we’ll see how it goes

[true inlet]

Vedal decides how often he streams live. He can choose to stream more on one site by looking at how much money he makes on each one.

Yes, we will see.

[true inlet]

If you would like to change the document to make it look more convincing, please send me a private message and I will give you permission to edit it. I would be very welcome.

[wraith hinge]

streaming in Asia time can increase superchat from bilibili side, and also limits the potential sensitive words in the superchat from the twitch side. As far as I know, neuro usually will repeat the superchat message then response to it, so it is going to be really tricky if Vedal multistream both twitch and bilibili.

considering how hololive did their multi platform stream back in 2019, they usually ask help from Chinese localization/subtitle group to help with the stream with a delay to block off potentially sensitive information from youtube. I guess Vedal can consider this approach as well if he is not willing to dedicate livestreams in Asia time.

[proud brook]

There are many Chinese fans, which once reached 176,000 (although it is much less now), and they can buy merchandise, such as a considerable amount of plush

[proud brook]

The main bilibili website data is enough. I will explain some neuro's popularity data on bilibili.

Bilibili used to have a larger fan community than it does now (about 4 times?), and the translator with the highest number of fans had 176,000 fans, about one-third of Neuro's number on Twitch at the time. But in January this year, he was found to have used Neuro's edited videos on YouTube without authorization. After being discovered, he deleted all the manuscripts and fled, including a large number of manuscripts with more than a few hundred thousand views. This caused the Chinese community to lose a lot of shallow audiences. Currently, the highest number of fans in the active translation group is close to 50,000, and there are some scattered translators. The following are the most played Neuro videos in the past six months.

I am optimistic about Vedal joining Bilibili. (Even if he is pessimistic, he will still join.) Neuro is more popular on Bilibili than Filian, and Filian already has 118,000 followers. An official account can get the Chinese community back on track.

As for malicious fans, I don't think it will happen, or I hope it won't happen. Neuro's fan base is not similar to that of Japanese Vtubers. The worst result is that it will just return to the original state.

[proud brook]

by the way “万”is 10k

[true inlet]

thanks and I agree with you

[wraith hinge]

the only concern I have is if Vedal decided to do multistream like how he did for JP channel, there might be some bait superchat from twitch side (and vice versa), which could lead to a warning or/and ban from bilibili side.

that's why i highly agree with a dedicated stream, or a manually monitored and highly delayed multistream for bilibili

[wraith copper]

It's very dangerous.If neuro is banned in China,then every clip in every video websites will be deleted.Then people in China can't watch any video about neuro. No chance for correction.

[wraith hinge]

oh yeah add to that, Vedal might need to consider to only stream bilibli live chat instead of twitch chat. I'm not sure how feasible it is for Vedal to implement this in his obs plugin.

[wraith copper]

I really don't want the existing videos to be deleted. Filters are not necessarily safe, you can't imagine the imagination of the Chinese people

And DC and Twitch and others may be get artificial DDoS for some months.

[wraith hinge]

@true inlet Not sure if you want to add my proposal in your doc

1. Proposal 1 -- Dedicated livestream for bilibili [RECOMMENDED]

Pros:

• Avoid sensitive superchat from twitch -> bilibili or bilibili -> twitch.
• Captures the highest viewership from Asia side
  Cons:
• Extra efforts from Vedal side due to timezone and OBS plugin modification

2. Proposal 2 -- Multistream twitch and bilibili

Pros:

• minimum to none extra effort from Vedal.
  Cons:
• multistream without manual reviewing and delayed streaming can lead to timeout and/or ban
• current scheduled streaming time cannot capture the most viewership from Asian audience.
• Cultural differences may lead to varied interpretations of certain information, potentially resulting in unnecessary disagreements.

[true inlet]

thank you. you gave me a new reason

I'll put it in to the document

[proud brook]

Well, there are some misunderstandings here, I will try to explain

Very few people receive the kind of treatment you describe, it almost deserves to be on Chinese national television

[wraith copper]

176,000 followers on bilibili is not a lot. The number of views of neuro videos is relatively low. Because there are few followers, it is relatively safe at present. If you are famous, even the speeches not in China will be included in the review, and there is a chance that you will be banned in China.

[proud brook]

The Chinese government and websites have no energy or interest to treat every banned person like this. If neuro is really banned, it's just like what happened when someone mentioned a German on Twitch.

[wraith copper]

你确定吗，莫名其妙辱华消失的东西还少吗

[proud brook]

hololive的事都闹多大了，结果之前在b站不还是能在看

官方一直都没下场，视频有的字幕组下了，有的没下

能享受到封杀待遇真不容易

[wraith copper]

说不定谁发到微博上然后就莫名其妙闹大了

[proud brook]

在b站上的外国人和外国主播也不少啊

好事不出门，坏事传千里，只有被ban的声名远扬才有人知道

有些人甚至直球辱了，该搬还搬无人在意

[wraith copper]

所以说是几率，我感觉每个人都有几率被封，只是目前还没触发，这就是我说的越著名越危险

[proud brook]

那你属实是有点高估neuro影响力了

[true inlet]

Vedal曾经开玩笑说，如果他被B站禁了，就能上B站的热搜了，哈哈

实际上是B站邀请Vedal

而不是Vedal想要来B站

[wraith copper]

我上面也写了，其实中国没多少人看，所以现在危险性很低

[true inlet]

没必要纠结这些，Vedal会解决的

[proud brook]

Yes, as a business, if the risk of English vtubers was so great, they wouldn't have invited Vedal.

[wraith hinge]

以防万一，要做好最坏打算，政治问题闹一闹就有可能出问题。

再加上现在国家现在是在做AI模型审查（详见阿里云LLM和腾讯LLM审查），不要被抓到把柄

Consider the worst case scenario is always the best practice.

[proud brook]

我觉得这可能才是个优势

如果是真人，你不能确定他到底什么想法

[true inlet]

the most important thing is how to get Vedal to agree to open a dedicated live stream on Bilibili

[proud brook]

但是ai哪有什么坏心眼

最坏就是频道封禁

不可能被冲

[wraith hinge]

Also we have revenue data from hololive indicates higher than average revenue from dedicated bilibili stream.

[true inlet]

yes

the spending power of Bilibili users should not be underestimated

[wraith hinge]

If revenue is not a primary concern for Vedal, increased viewership and follower growth are also potential benefits.

[true inlet]

give some advice

[wraith hinge]

切片 -> clips maybe?

[true inlet]

yes, i'll fix it later

ok, what else

[potent sage]

a surprising number wake up at 2 . Maybe could do both, live for interaction, and rebroadcast for a more convenient time

[wraith hinge]

not sure about live for interaction part lol. it is kinda risky.

[true inlet]

they just said they wanted to wake up at 2:00 to watch live, but they can't really do that

[wraith copper]

我记得激励好像减了不少，刚才查了下是每月2000封顶，并且其他收入不能超过5000，原文需不需要改一下

[true inlet]

anyway, waiting for the dev stream next Tuesday
Keep the discussion going so Vedal can see it

[true inlet]

ok

Keep the discussion going so Vedal can see it

[true inlet]

finished

[wraith copper]

I just reviewed the domestic reaction to the hololive_cn incident. That's cray, that's realy crazy. Don't forget here is a crazy universe.
AI is not necessarily a shield. They can blame Vedal for not filtering.

[wraith hinge]

Might as well provide a resource to help Vedal with live on bilibili:

• https://github.com/xfgryujk/blivedm: Git repo for fetching bilibili live chat. It also fetches super chat. Vedal can integrate this with neuro to forward chat message for response. I'm currently using this repo

[true inlet]

it looks good

[true inlet]

just trust Vedal and stay positive.

Vedal is a calm person who doesn't give up easily

Believe Vedal will survive this (if it ever does)

[past compass]

I support ved if he wants to try Bilibili, but a separate dedicated Bilibili stream rubs me the wrong way a little

[marble crane]

neuro到时候是直播还是重播？

[past compass]

I think all Neuro content should be accessible from the main channel

A rebroadcast could work if Mythic vet it

[wraith hinge]

I'm very pessimistic of Vedal making the chinese filter for multistreaming on bilibili. Chinese content filtering remains a complex and unsolved issue, it is highly unlikely Vedal can accurately identify all sensitive words that might breach Bilibili's Terms of Service.

I do agree rebroadcast could be an option, but it needs manpower to manually review the whole livestream, and make edits for it, and if there is any superchat during it, then I would say it will hurt more than helping.

As previously mentioned, this is merely a proposal. We trust Vedal and support him to test the water and make his own decision.

[past compass]

The difficult bit (vetting and editing) could be handled by Mythic, its what they're there for after all

I agree filtering is difficult, even if you technically follow the CCPs filtering guidelines to the letter lots of edge cases that aren't listed will still get you banned

That's another point in favour of human reviewed rebroadcasts though

[wraith hinge]

Mythic does not have the best reputation in terms of supporting their talent is kinda concerning.

[past compass]

Really?

[wraith hinge]

from rumors tho, I have no sauce

[past compass]

Well at any rate its their responsibility if something does go awry, and they're incentivised to do the work since Vedal and his money probably aren't going to stick around if they get him into controversy

This is assuming Mythic actually do offer support services for Chinese broadcasts and don't just do the bare minimum in getting a Chinese proxy to set up a channel though

[wraith hinge]

also missed superchat is going to be disappointing for bilibili viewers. Especially for the bilibili version of sub, that costs ~4x of a tier1 twitch sub and up to 40x if they choose higher tier.

[past compass]

You could say the same for JP viewers in fairness

I don't think any one of the multilingual channels should be getting special treatment over the others

[wraith hinge]

yeah makes sense.

[true inlet]

建议书中提到的是在哔哩哔哩上播新的内容

If there is no official support, then reruns are not a good idea

it may be blocked by Bilibili network traffic

[past compass]

I still don't think this suggestion is at all fair on the other multilingual viewers

I mean its one thing if EN is the main channel and all the multilingual ones are the same

But why should one be getting exclusive content at the expense of every other multilingual channel

Even without official support, you could easily create a timestamped transcript of the last vod using whisper, then run it through multiple safety passes with different LLMs or even just a simple filter and snip out anything they flag up

And that'd probably cover you for rebroadcast

I think doing that with a quick human skim over the transcript after flagging is done would be pretty low effort relative to the financial benefit of entering the Chinese market and the principle of keeping parity with all the different channels

[wraith hinge]

The most important element of a livestream is you can interact with the streamer. Doing rebroadcasting simply defeat the purpose of a livestream. Remember most China mainland viewers cannot use Twitch, and those who can probably already following him on Twitch en channel.

[true inlet]

You don't understand the situation. Bilibili invited Vedal to come live. The purpose of this document is to provide a reference for selecting the appropriate time period for Vedal. There wasn't much thought given to European users. Bilibili is an open platform and does not restrict access to European users.

As I mentioned in my documentation, the number of Chinese users following Vedal on Twitch is only 1/10,000 of the total followers. This can be seen from the number of plays of Neruo clips on Bilibili.

[wraith hinge]

JP and other multilingual channels can simply hop in Vedal's EN channel in real time and interact with them there, but mainland China viewers do not have such luxury to do so.

[true inlet]

and, if Vedal wants to broadcast live in Asia and make a profit, choosing the right time period is very important.

[past compass]

I mean its at 3am in Japan, that's not really viable there either

If we're not doing an exclusive stream for Japan or South America, where times also don't align properly, isn't it a touch unfair to only do one for China?

Rebroadcasts are something that could easily be done for everyone

[wraith hinge]

as i said it defeats the purpose of a livestream, and any profitability from China side. JP viewers can still hop into EN stream to sub, or send super chat to get response from neuro/evil/Vedal. Chinese viewers can't do that.

If Chinese viewer paid, and cant get any feedback from the streamer, why keep paying for it?

[true inlet]

Users in Japan and across Asia can access Bilibili smoothly. At least in theory. Bilibili also has a large number of Japanese users and even Japanese streamers. I suggest you first take a good look at the documentation in refutation. Our aim is to provide comfortable viewing time for users throughout Asia and around Asia. Instead of watching live in the wee hours of the morning.

[past compass]

I suppose if JP subs were added in parallel it could work

That does still leave a good chunk of ES viewers high and dry though 🤔

[wraith hinge]

they can hop in to EN stream to interact (maybe machine translation to English) as Twitch is not blocked in any country except for china and north korea., which is a much better experience.

[past compass]

In theory, but in practice the same issues as Japan apply RE: timezones and a lack of interactivity

[true inlet]

ES viewers could visit Bilibili too

[wraith hinge]

yeah mainly timezone issue. I watched a few JP streams , zero to none subs and very little of chat

bro can't type today :

[gritty moon]

Please only speak english in the server

[wraith hinge]

funny thing is most of the chat in JP stream is still in English lol

[true inlet]

yes we are speaking English right now

[true inlet]

do you have any comments on this document?

[wraith copper]

Additional stream will make EN viewer miss content. As for feedback, simply read the chat of bilibili. Two streams one day is too much.

[thorn crescent]

I believe vedal has said before that the EN audience comes first. IDK if changing when the streams are/having more than one a day is a smart idea

I dont speak for the man though

[true inlet]

not two streams one day. i don't mention that

[wraith copper]

Although other countries can access bilibili, they have to endure Chinese-style sensitive words.

[wraith copper]

That will reduce the frequency of live stream.

[true inlet]

There is an overseas version of Bilibili and even a customized Bilibili APP for Thailand

[past compass]

TIL : o

[wraith hinge]

yeah we don't know what is the best option for Vedal, so that's why they are proposals.

[true inlet]

i don't know how Vedal thinks. but it's a problem

[wraith hinge]

pros and cons are there for Vedal himself to decide.

[wraith copper]

If use overseas version of Bilibili ,why not change to twitch.

[wraith hinge]

chinese viewers can't use twitch

those that can probably already using it.

[true inlet]

chinese viewers can't.

[wraith copper]

If overseas version of Bilibili does not have sensitive words. It will be banned in China.

[wraith hinge]

you will have to deal with censorship one way or another if you want to stream in China dedicatedly or in parallel.

[true inlet]

Vedal could deal with it

[past compass]

Yeah that's just the unfortunate reality of things

[past compass]

Gotta make the best of it

I don't think it should be a deterrent to trying to bring Neuro to more people

[wraith hinge]

Yeah I kinda believe Vedal will find a good middle ground of it, since Mythical people should also provided some guidance that we may not know of.

since they are the people invited Vedal to China.

[past compass]

I mean worst case scenario things don't work out, best case scenario more people enjoy Neuro right?

As long as the main EN audience isn't affected and the other markets are treated equally I think its worth a shot

[wraith hinge]

this thread's goal is to bring more people to enjoy Neuro. it acts as an insight of the perspective of how the normal everyday Chinese Neuro fan thinks about this situation.

[thorn crescent]

the times listed here are horrendous for American viewers
Id literally never be able to watch or moderate a stream again

[wraith hinge]

fair enough

[past compass]

That's one of the reasons I'm suggesting rebroadcast

[thorn crescent]

rebroadcast would be smarter

[past compass]

Maybe you could broadcast on a delay and have it vetted live for China

Then feed a translated CN chat back to the EN stream

[thorn crescent]

since neuro doesnt interact with the chats of the other language broadcasts anyways and probably wont I assume

[past compass]

Timezones are still an issue though

[wraith hinge]

yeah that's why we are proposaling to do at least a delayed livestream for China, so they can cut the stream if anything bad would happen.

[wraith hinge]

those viewers can still hop to EN channel at any time to interact with neuro or Vedal. That's an overwhelming advantage compares to mainland china viewers.

[true inlet]

I agree with you on that. But I chose a time slot that was friendly to American users, at least for those in New York.

[thorn crescent]

American population isnt centralized on the east coast though
California people literally just wont be able to watch unless they are up all night

[potent sage]

double stream

on tuesday

neur and eliv

[true inlet]

For Angelenos, getting up at 5:00 a.m. to watch live seems like a more reasonable way to go than skipping lunch to watch live, lol

I usually get up at 5:00

[eager coyote]

I think it's best to just multistream to bilibili concurrently if Vedal can work out the filter.
Or restream it at a later time if live filtering turns out to be difficult

Translated subtitles are supposed to be a nice gesture. It doesn't mean Vedal will now cater to Chinese audience somehow

[true inlet]

Limited by length limit, would you please go to https://1drv.ms/w/c/24e9cb9639dbde94/EZ1O8x5uYgtIkxPPM0qyGbMBeYMhxnSmaHW6q1U3Dm_MJQ
to watch the full version.

[true inlet]

oh why is no one talking

Vedal may not be able to see this

keep talking, please

[wraith hinge]

I think rebroadcasting might work, but it diminish the live interaction that comes with streaming

Vedal wouldn't be able to repond to what is said in chat

Neither would he able to thank the subs

[true inlet]

Hey there is a big problem that is why is Vedal's live partition "颜值"（appearance level）?
why not the "虚拟主播"（VTuber）partition?

the "颜值"（appearance level） partition are all "adult" shows

[wraith hinge]

Probably because he hasn't streamed yet

Surely he will fix it soon

[true inlet]

over 2,000 followers followed Vedal in a day. how fast is it!

[wraith copper]

The article describes bilibili too well. I think the first content should be a risk warning.
The first step is to weigh the pros and cons and decide whether to go to China. Vedal may not know the complex situation in China.
The question is not the audience isn't polite. And the more famous you are in China, the more likely you are to get into trouble. It's not just about sensitive words, things that happened are beyond my imagination.
This is not like jp stream, which has no error costs.
Although nothing may happen, it is important to warn possible troubles.

I can provide some strange news to prove how uncontrollable it is. For example, this: https://www.sohu.com/a/626454668_121345914

[wraith hinge]

There is no error cost for vedal anyway to try to go live on Bilibili. What’s the worst scenario can be anyway?

Getting in trouble on Bilibili does not affect vedal’s career on twitch, which is the main channel anyway.

[wraith copper]

Possible harassment, intensity depends on popularity.
Devastating blow to Chinese fans.
I was wrong, Chinese fans are most affected.

[past compass]

Wait is it that easy to get banned

[wraith hinge]

Sony is too popular, so more people are eye-in on every single word you say

[past compass]

Just made a pastebin translation of the sohu article

https://pastebin.com/1rv8zPHN

Yeah I guess it depends on the size of the audience

More people means more crazies

[wraith hinge]

also there are a lot of Sony's rival companies in China

which neither applies to Ved.

Sony has 1.78M+ follower on that weibo account

[past compass]

As an aside, this was translated in a similar manner to how Neuros translation works if you want a preview of its Chinese comprehension

[wraith copper]

And almost all Chinese people didn’t know the anniversary of Qiu Shaoyun’s death, and no one thought there was anything wrong with the painting. It was banned after 3 months. Even Chinese people don’t know what is wrong.

[wraith hinge]

pretty sure b2 account is going to be handled by Mythic, if they post something during sensitive time then that's their fault. fans will more likely to "harass" Mythical rather than Ved

[past compass]

Yeah if its made very explicit that Mythic are the guys handling it then they'd be the ones to absorb the risk

I think that's the right way to go about it

[wraith hinge]

sony has company based in China, that's why they absorbed all the flames. It does not apply to Vedal's case, I think you guys are overestimating the risk here.

[coarse sonnet]

brother english is not multilingual

[past compass]

It was 4am when I wrote that gimme a break

[coarse sonnet]

whats the main point of contention here

idk if im reading this right but it seems like negative impacts on english viewers or something

which has to be an insane take

not only that people feel like a) they have to watch every bit of slop, but b) that they're entitled to be fed the slop when its convenient for them in a convenient format for them

[past compass]

Nah we were just talking about maintaining parity between the non English channels

The concerns I mentioned there didn't relate to the EN audience

[coarse sonnet]

isee

iwas just going off the document & the rebroadcasting vs original content discourse

[past compass]

Yeah it was just a debate about whether original content would be unfair on the other non EN audiences who wouldn't get that same treatment

[coarse sonnet]

also untitled figures in the document.

[coarse sonnet]

yeah thats the insane one.

[past compass]

How is that insane

Its pretty measured and constructive

[coarse sonnet]

because its not reasonable to expect that

and inclusion is not the number one priority

[past compass]

How is it not reasonable to suggest the non English audiences ought to all be treated with the same respect?

[coarse sonnet]

so the alternative is to treat tehm all like they dont exist

[past compass]

There's nothing "insane" about that

[coarse sonnet]

with only the english stream

[past compass]

No, the alternative is constructive discussion around the pros and cons of each option and brainstorming

Ya know, the thing we were doing?

[coarse sonnet]

yes but its not a real con, its some unattainable definition of equality, or entitlement masquerading as equality

people should not stream at all if thats the equality wanted

unless they can stream in every language

[past compass]

Even if it were unattainable, which I don't really agree with, I think this is a case where its better to shoot for the sun and reach the moon than not bother trying

[coarse sonnet]

how many different original streams do you want, in how many different languages

its like somewhat attainable if only, say, the top 10 languages

[past compass]

I'm on the side of rebroadcasts and clipping personally

[coarse sonnet]

yes but why

[past compass]

Because I don't think its fair on the other non English audiences to give one special treatment in the form of exclusive streams

[coarse sonnet]

on that view, isnt streaming in english also unfair

[scenic spade]

My opinion is that separate content streams purely for the sake of supporting multiple languages shouldn't be a goal; that's a lot more overhead for Vedal to have to deal with, and might be hectic with how much more content there'd be.

[coarse sonnet]

yes, well thats the other thing

if the argument is that its too much for vedal, then that should be for him

[past compass]

And it is

No-one is telling Vedal what to do here

[coarse sonnet]

sort of, but thats kind of

giving suggestions on assumed personal impacts is still guh

[scenic spade]

The solution of one English stream with subs in other languages is a good starter for the long-term, but given what was outlined in the OP's document, there's still room for growth. I think that's something Vedal should consider on his own, not much point in us speculating really.

[coarse sonnet]

yeah

[past compass]

Not really, obviously the streamers native language is gonna be where the contents coming from

[coarse sonnet]

do you think streamers who stream in english despite it not being their main language are being unfair

unethical

[past compass]

And short of creating an entire separate Neuro for China even the bilibili streams would probably be in English with Chinese subtitles

[past compass]

Most streamers have a primary language that serves as the baseline for their content

Lets not be disingenuous

[coarse sonnet]

are a lot of the eu vtubers not

[past compass]

The standard solution is a primary language, and secondary translated content

[coarse sonnet]

native language

[past compass]

Sure, but their content still operates in one main domain

[coarse sonnet]

wdym

oh

nvm

so its not unfair if theres one primary audience, but if theres two then its an issue

but its really not so different

[past compass]

I just don't see why one secondary audience should be getting exclusive content at the expense of the others

[coarse sonnet]

its not at the expense of the others

they're not losing out by this group getting something

instead of the others sure

but thats not a reasonable expectation

that everyone gets equal content

[past compass]

They are though, they're left with rebroadcasts and clips where one of the other non English audiences is being catered to in a way they aren't

There's also the matter of timezones but I guess that's not a problem with vedals sleep schedule

[coarse sonnet]

yes but this is an insane definition of equality, i mean apply that to like

any real life scenarios

[unkempt crown]

vedal already says that he plans to add more

and you can't please everyone

[coarse sonnet]

and i still dont understand why its fine if theres only one audience

but its bad if theres two

its just as unfair for there to be one

[past compass]

Why should CN be getting exclusive streams when ES aren't, for instance?

[coarse sonnet]

and you say obviously here, but

[coarse sonnet]

why should en be getting exclusive streams

[past compass]

Because that's the language the channel started on, with the timezone and conditions the streamer can most easily operate in

[coarse sonnet]

yeah so

its reasonable for him tod o that

even though its not equal

[thorn crescent]

because over 95% of the audience can speak english

[scenic spade]

yea i don't think true equality would be a goal, just leveling it a bit by having translation multistreams

[coarse sonnet]

we do, in fact, have to live our lives and actually do things even if its not equal and perfect

[past compass]

Well that too

[coarse sonnet]

95% of the audience can speak english because the stream started in english

[past compass]

Pretty much this, we're talking about a secondary form of equality here

[coarse sonnet]

.

[thorn crescent]

its not that hard

[past compass]

Not the "unattainable" idea you've extrapolated my point into

[coarse sonnet]

but thats not a real argument

[thorn crescent]

yeah it is

[coarse sonnet]

if it originally streamed in chinese

95% of the audience would be speaking chinese

[unkempt crown]

wouldn't it still be better to grow by expanding to other audiences

[past compass]

I'm also not sure why you've been so hostile and confrontational right out of the gate when everyone else in this thread has been pretty civil

[coarse sonnet]

and if it starts streaming in chinese, then x% of the audience will speak in chinese

im not trying to be hostile

.

[thorn crescent]

vedal has like what
500K followers?
At least 400K most likely speak or understand some english

its literally not a stretch to say that his audince that keeps his projects afloat is the english one

they are more important

[past compass]

My bad, can be hard to get a read on people in text

[coarse sonnet]

this is the entitlement i mean

[thorn crescent]

Vedal also has explicitly stated that the EN streams come first, all else comes later

[past compass]

Labels like "insane" and "unreasonable" come off a tad rude but it all depends on tone which can be hard to convey

[past compass]

In this case I would expect EN to be getting restreams and clips

As was the case with HoloJP and Japanese, for instance

[coarse sonnet]

sorry sorry

[unkempt crown]

That's true but i still feel like its important to make sure that he expands the stream and still attempts to keep the same quality of en streams

[past compass]

Np lol, was just a misunderstanding

[coarse sonnet]

i dont think comparing to irl streamers is realistic

one of the advantages of llm streamer is easily being able to deliver content in multiple languages / formats without insane levels of effort and prep

[past compass]

Veds already gone on record saying he doesn't want to create any more Neuros just to cater to diff languages iirc

[thorn crescent]

if it degrades the quality of, or totally excludes the EN crowd from content then its not worth negotiation

[coarse sonnet]

why is that for you to decide

brother

it is his stream

[thorn crescent]

im asking you the same thing

[coarse sonnet]

if he sees it as worthy or economical or any other reason

wdym

im not arguing that he should or sohuldnt

[thorn crescent]

you are the one who seems to want to have a counterpoint to everyonehere
like you have all the facts

[coarse sonnet]

i never claimed to have any of the facts

ive said repeatedly we cant know what impacts it will have on vedal

i simply have counterpoints to the logically incoherent and/or contradictory arguments put forth

[thorn crescent]

Also, as a member of the EN audience, I can say that its not a good decision finacially speaking to degrade our expierence or totally exclude us from content.

[coarse sonnet]

.

[thorn crescent]

if you want to bring neuro overseas, everyone should get the same thing

[past compass]

On that we definitely agree

[thorn crescent]

equality is important

[coarse sonnet]

ok a) even if it is uneconomical, if vedal wants to do it, its his content, b) idk how you're making that assumption

[past compass]

I'm of the opinion it should be exclusive streams for each extra language or no exclusive streams

[coarse sonnet]

i dont see how this equality argument pans out

if we consider the fact that streaming in EN

[past compass]

Multilingual clip channels with their own editors could be a good compromise on top of rebroadcasting

[coarse sonnet]

is also unfair

to other languages

[thorn crescent]

he doesnt though
he explicitly stated he doesnt want to degrade the EN experience. brother are you listneing

[past compass]

Then everyone gets their own exclusive content without the more central streaming side of things being disrupted

Also low effort for

[coarse sonnet]

if hes already said hes not doing it, why is this discussion still ongoing

[thorn crescent]

the discussion is ongoing because there are alternatives
like multistream and VODs on Billibilli. Or at the worst, restreams at better times for chinese folks

[coarse sonnet]

and which is it

[past compass]

Yeah, one of the proposed suggestions was a delayed multi stream for vetting on bilbili for live content + rebroadcast

[thorn crescent]

thats equality bro

[past compass]

And feeding a translated version of the Chinese messages into the main stream

[thorn crescent]

everyone gets the same thing

[coarse sonnet]

those seem conflicting brother

that the english audience is more important

and that equality is important

[past compass]

The wider discussion hasn't been exclusionary in that sense

I've floated a few ideas for keeping other audiences equal with the English one as well if that's your main point of contention here even if they may be a touch overly ambitious

[past compass]

(obv the same principle can be applied to other streams minus the vetting)

Timezones are still an issue but you can do rebroadcasts and clipping as well

[coarse sonnet]

does that mean you agree that streaming in english also isnt equal to everybody

[scenic spade]

i think that's something everyone can agree on, and that's fine

[coarse sonnet]

yeah but then

[past compass]

I never argued otherwise

[coarse sonnet]

is the issue not with this definition of equality

[scenic spade]

just curious what specifically you're arguing for hug

just to not prolong this

[coarse sonnet]

that the arguments are all premised on an unattainable level of equality, and if theres a more reasonable definition/understanding, then i dont think peopel will see it as an issue anymore

[past compass]

I mean we have that definition already

[scenic spade]

well... at this point there's really no argument

[past compass]

Its general parity between the non primary audience that's the goal in that sense

[scenic spade]

no point in one, anyway, this thread should be mainly for hard facts/details

[unkempt crown]

fair enough

[scenic spade]

vedal's got a lot of good info he needs (thanks to everyone here) to help decide where to go

[coarse sonnet]

but the hard facts are built on faulty first principles, we gotta go back to first principles

[scenic spade]

[coarse sonnet]

[scenic spade]

if you two wanna debate it i'd suggest doing it in dms and leaving this thread kinda clean until you have a consensus or something there's already enough to backread as it is

[coarse sonnet]

[past compass]

I'm not interested in further debate tbh, I've said my piece

[scenic spade]

gg then

[past compass]

Can you like, archive part of a discussion as a subthread

Might be worth doing for readability

[scenic spade]

nope most that can be done is screenshotting and nuking but i aint about to do that

[coarse sonnet]

this is the most informative section of the thread

[past compass]

I feel like the 2600+ word document the OP wrote is probs more informative

Which actually takes your view and not mine for what its worth

[coarse sonnet]

only if you care about the numbers as a reason to stream or not stream, but the disagreements arent on numbers it seems

[true inlet]

when will Vedal start live streaming on Bilibili? Anybody got any news?

[wraith copper]

Although it may be too late, I want to remind that it is not okay to blame the problem on mythic. Chinese don't pay for this trick.
If channel is banned instantly or is tepid. That won't be a problem. But isn't it for growth?
The point is not the big companies, but the difficulty of review.

[true inlet]

gymbag

[dim kraken]

gymbag

[past compass]

Intro vid for b2 is probably next on his to do list apparently

So presumably soonish

[wraith hinge]

bro already changed b2 livestream room's description

[weary yew]

I wonder if bilibili filter can block those dissidents and trolls

They are just too creative

[true inlet]

OMG, Vedal has now achieved about 1/50 of his goal on Bilibili

[ripe flume]

We think that as long as the housekeeping is in place, most of the audience speech on the bilibili side can be controlled in terms of scale.
The rest depends on how well the live streaming agents in China can handle unexpected situations.

[true inlet]

yes

[true inlet]

now he has 14000

[weary yew]

New accounts cannot be found in bilibili searching.
so there will be more increases afterwards I guess

[true inlet]

you can't find it by searching. go to https://space.bilibili.com/3546729368520811

[elfin rapids]

here is a list of my own understanding

[cinder wharf]

People will have a field day trying to get Vedal banned ngl

[wraith hinge]

that's exactly why we proposed a delayed stream.

[wraith hinge]

Also TL;DR for this, just don't talk about politics.

[elfin rapids]

that misses the point, my point is to not provoke extremeist and do better cyber security

the field doesnt have to be politic, infact the most extreme case usually dont come from politics, or at least the ones we still got to know about

[wraith hinge]

I don't remember neuro ever provoked extremist.

[elfin rapids]

neuro said something along the line of not liking genshini inpact

[wraith hinge]

it is fine, most of people don't like genshin impact in China.

[elfin rapids]

but until last week there are still people getting doxxed for not liking genshin

[wraith hinge]

it won't apply to neuro because she is Ai.

[elfin rapids]

its not about what the people actually think, its how strong the bot forces are

neuro doesnt get a pass because the attacker is not rationable

[wraith hinge]

vedal's b2 account is not registered by himself. Because he can't without an official Chinese ID. There is no such concern for him being doxxed

[elfin rapids]

the resgistered person's or unit's safety is still a concern

without considering the attacking thats going to happen in discord, on twitter

[wraith hinge]

rarely hate for foreign creator bubbles out of China, especially on discord and twitter.

first, i trust discord and twitter's moderation and anti-spam mechanism.

second, just like Tectone, he bad mouthed a lot on mihoyo, he is still successful on twitch.

[elfin rapids]

because they didnt set up an official frontier in bilibili

[wraith hinge]

there are already a lot of fan accounts for vedal and neuro on bilibili

if there is hate they already stopped uploading.

[elfin rapids]

fan account is set up by people already well accuqinted, therefore the content is already well filtered

[wraith hinge]

again.

[elfin rapids]

but is the delay good enough to filter out contextual censor

[wraith hinge]

wdym? delay stream is definitely managed by a natural person.

if there is issue, they can cut out of the stream on b2 side.

[elfin rapids]

yeah, that might be good enough

thank you

[scenic spade]

thanks for this document, it’s interesting

[wraith hinge]

currently two proposals are delayed livestream, and rebroadcasting.

[scenic spade]

but i will add that you guys are probably a bit too paranoid on behalf of vedal

[wraith hinge]

agreed lol

although I joked a lot of vedal getting banned, I really do want vedal to succeed on b2.

[elfin rapids]

its hard for me to refrain because i have already seen too much community ruined by chinese people

[wraith hinge]

From the doc, I think miten you might not from mainland China. A lot of those topics are actually fine to talk on the livestream, as long as you don't really mean it.

[scenic spade]

it’d probably best to not put it like that, don’t want to generalize

[elfin rapids]

yes, im indeed not more knowledgable compared to the actual managers inside

but i like to think of it as bot to bot conflict, so i excluded the saves a human can do in my comment

thank you for pointing that out

[wraith hinge]

But your doc does remind me there is a list of games will guarantee a ban if you stream it. I might find it and translate it real quick.

[cinder wharf]

Well, Vedal plays 1 game every 2 months so it shouldn't be a problem

[wraith hinge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y9wGd7cSqbl30beKA5_7uMAJeKvN09gFChc4j28ku74/edit?usp=sharing

Ok here is the banned game list.

[true inlet]

In fact, some people are now using individual cases to oppose the plan of Neuro entering Bilibili.

[true inlet]

good document, exactly reflects some of the current problems and limitations of Bilibili

But some of them may not be as serious as you mention

[elfin rapids]

thank you, i have realized i might have upscaled some of the example

my original view was back when i studied about china governing, unpunished/lightly punished activity is an representation of what fits government's interest
and all of the things that got out of the fire wall is either too big to hide or allowed by the government.

so i would treat all of the cases the happened before as a form of normality, therefore the document looks like my disagreement is based upon extreme example

[true inlet]

Actually, on Bilibili, you’ll be fine as long as you don’t post comments that twist the truth, like claiming that the Japanese invasion of China was the right thing to do.
But some unfriendly people may split hairs, just like Sony, who was regarded as supporting Taiwan independence just because they used the word 'place' to describe Taiwan. With the increase of Vedal's fans on Bilibili, the risk of such situations will also increase. But after all, this is just an individual case, and Vedal's Chinese fans will defend him.

[wraith copper]

https://github.com/Kengxxiao/Punishing_GrayRaven_Tab/blob/d36135613b5fc3323cabe42a1cb6238e7f4aea4f/table/share/text/Word.tab
This is a Chinese mobile game, PunishingGrayRaven's sensitive words. Some do not apply for stream.
Sensitive words has only limited effect. Although the risk of neuro is relatively low, it is not impossible. The safest way is not to become famous.
Blame the problem on mythic, fans defend, personal apology and explanation, etc, all methods are basically useless. You live in China too, why lie to yourself?

[wraith hinge]

I don’t think you read this list or even understand the list. Most of the banned words are about politics, spam/ad websites and rival game titles.

Less than 5% of the words in here apply to actual banned words in stream. (Edit: actually sorted the list, most of the texts (> 50%) are not even allowed on twitch)

Source: I have 14k followers on b2 and streamed for 1 year in 2021 and stopped.

[wraith hinge]

But the list is really misleading nonetheless. It does not contribute to a solution of how to stream safely on b2 and significantly magnified the risk, which im not a fan of.

And also there is no way some of the words are banned word. Banning some of the words are like banning the world “the” in English.

[weary yew]

Actually we have a joke:
Good news: now Vedal has known all words that needs to be filtered for neuro-sama b2 stream
Bad news: Vedal get banned for knowing too much

[wraith copper]

I know a lot of them don't apply, but there are too many to choose .

[weary yew]

I did not find the word 'tennis' in Chinese(simplified and traditional) or English, but a b2 streamer was temporarily banned because of mentioning tennis as a response to the comment

[elfin rapids]

eh... a lot of the single letter and some short words are just there because its in traditional chinese or a part of taiwanese dialect

due to the nature of chinese language, a simple big filter is not enough and too much at the same time

half of the list not even pronouncable by normal human is actually pretty funny

[true inlet]

I can't understand your idea. First of all, this is only one mobile game data, and this mobile game is not widely popular. Second, I see that a lot of these stats are meant to prevent players from abusing game officials and promoting other games, and you're taking them out of context. Finally, your data is not Bilibili filter data, there is no reference value. Bilibili is an open platform, I suggest you to understand the specific rules of Bilibili, instead of being vexatious here.
I'm sorry if my language is a little harsh, but you've made some pessimistic comments.

[wraith copper]

Only a few lines at begin is about competitors. I only know this sensitive word that is actually used, which is very useful for me.
Another point is that you said that fan defense is useful, which is misleading.

[wraith copper]

I know the risk is low, and there are many foreigners now. But no one would have thought of who got into trouble before it happened, and the reasons are also varied and unpredictable.
If you become famous, the risk will also increase.

[elfin rapids]

ok i can get where this is coming from but i have to say, these massive filter works because the game or other entity doesnt rely on player communication to survive, neuro is all about talking.
idealy the hard filter list should be as short as possible because letters are only a problem when it becomes a sentence, and filtering normaly usable letter will massively affect how much the viewer can enjoy the strim

[true inlet]

only useful for you? your data is not Bilibili filter data, there is no reference value.
fun defense is not useful, regardless of whether that's true, it's just the worst possible scenario and why can't we avoid it?

Are you saying that Vedal could be turned on by everyone and irreparably for a few curse words?
As long as Vedal does its filtering properly, the ban will be temporary, not permanent

[wraith copper]

It would be great if we could get a list of sensitive words from bilibili. I can only get this.
I mean, this is not a problem that can be avoided subjectively. Many reasons for banning are strange.

Banned in China is more like force majeure.

[elfin rapids]

there isnt a list of sensitive words aside from usual things, banning only happens when context is given

wait have you even tried to read any of my message?

[past compass]

iirc doesn't it employ similar tactics to Tiktok/Douyin

With a two tier system where some words garner shadowbans and others are a full ban

[faint cove]

yes,this system is "阿瓦隆",if there's a banned word in ur comment,it will be deleted or only can see this by urself,the results are different in different videos

[wraith copper]

I have read all your article. I mean some bans are not something that can avoid, even if everyone thinks it's okay at the time.
The reasons why foreigners are blocked are usually more direct, they didn't touch more strange reasons.
Post a cooking video, a picture, a PSA could be a cause of trouble.

[true inlet]

Does anyone know why Neuro’s live broadcast room on Bilibili has been locked?
Additionally, is Vedal planning to live stream on Bilibili?

[scenic spade]

No clue - please no speculation. Everything'll be sorted out whenever Vedal decides to.

[weary yew]

Seems they have finished test the livestream

[true inlet]

https://www.twitch.tv/filian
One big step forward is that Neuro is known to be available live at reasonable Asian times
It is now 7:50 Beijing time

[past compass]

Its 2AM in the UK

RIP Vedals formerly fixed sleep schedule

[thorn crescent]

fixed?

[true inlet]

how about this.
The two yellow ones are the live time periods mentioned in the document
And each time slot is friendly to audiences from different continents. For example, the first time slot was suitable for audiences in Oceania and Africa,
The second time slot is suitable for viewers in all regions of the Americas, and is also suitable for most of Europe

Admittedly, Vedal's live time period does cover all regions except Asia

but Asia is home to 60% of the world's population

haha

[torpid marsh]

Summary

For me, from the above document and comments there appear to be 2 separate viable options:

1. Unique stream on bilibili

Pros: High viewer engagement and profit. Stream in Asia timezone ||(best is 8 pm CST = 1 pm London time = 7 am EST)||, attracting lots of viewers. Does not degrade EN (or CN) viewership quality as they view different streams altogether (important especially for Vedal). Low risk of conflict or trolling between EN and CN audience (smaller chance of incidents).
Cons: High workload due to 2 separate streams (less time for Vedal to use computer). 2x the cost of Neuro server usage. Option is not possible for devstreams or collabs <-- ||(Can use the other option for these)||

2. Restream to bilibili

Note: either simultaneous (real-time) broadcast to bilibili or timezone-specific restreaming possible. These prioritize excitement of real-time stream and viewer count respectively. Under this idea, the stream is streamed on bilibili (output to bilibili) but there is no input to Neuro from bilibili (meaning Neuro does not respond to bilibili chat). ||Conditions necessary for viability as Vedal does not want to degrade EN viewership quality.||
Pros: Less time spent on streaming. Save cost on running Neuro. Possible for all types of streams, including devstreams. Easier implementation. Cuts down on number of moderators needed in total. Does not degrade EN viewership quality.
Cons: Less viewer engagement and profits. Low CN viewership experience, due to not being able to interact with Neuro. Increased moderation needed, due to virtually guaranteed incidents: ||Many trolls and/or sinophobic viewers can cause incidents with political content in their username or messages, or, even worse, baiting Neuro into saying sinophobic/anti-Chinese statements. If left entirely unmoderated, it will lead to a ban.|| May cause latency issues with either or both streams.

[weary yew]

I wonder whether neuro will be banned in bilibili if she mentions some sensitive content about China in twitch stream

[minor dune]

I'm Chinese and I'm against neuro coming to bilibili, mainly because it'll ruin the chinese fanbase by attracting too many outsiders(many of which are toxic), plus the revenue generated will be minimal.

[true inlet]

I would like to make a statement that the views of the Chinese person mentioned above do not represent all Chinese fans, nor can they represent all of Neuro’s Asian fans.

[true inlet]

Firstly, Bilibili is an open platform where there are already many outsiders. However, we have not seen these “outsiders” cause the platform to collapse. Although there are some cases that might seem to support your point, I must say that the actual number of foreign virtual broadcasters on Bilibili who have failed is very few, and they are all large companies, which is very likely due to deliberate actions by their competitors. Vedal may seem new to Bilibili, but in fact, he has already established a network of connections there. If it’s just a group of disorganized and mindless attackers, they won’t cause much trouble and will soon fade away. Meanwhile, more new fans will be attracted. And I believe Vedal can handle this. Hasn’t Vedal’s AI virtual broadcaster on Twitch encountered haters or resistance? Don’t assume that everyone on websites outside of China’s internet is calm and collected. With a large fan base in China, it’s easy for toxic haters to appear, but couldn’t a larger user base on foreign sites have the same issue?

[true inlet]

Secondly, the notion of destroying the Chinese fan base is laughable. Currently, Vedal does not have a substantial Chinese fan base to begin with. His Chinese fans are few and far between, and the number of truly dedicated and reliable fans is even less. It is these fans who can bring more benefits to Vedal (I’m referring to those who are willing to spend hundreds of yuan on Neuro). Don’t forget, to build a solid and reliable core fan base, it requires more interaction with them. From this perspective, Vedal’s Chinese fan base is just in its infancy. If Vedal does not stream on Bilibili as suggested in the document, he will never be able to establish a Chinese fan base.

Then, the claim that income on Bilibili is minimal is baseless nonsense. Given Vedal’s capabilities and the current level of acceptance for Neuro in China, it’s not a problem for Vedal to gain three captains or an equivalent amount of gift rewards during a single stream. His fan count is at least starting from 100,000 (he already has 20,000, and I’m talking about the scenario where he streams on Bilibili independently), and reaching a million is not impossible, and in fact, it’s very likely. With a larger fan base, naturally, there will be many high-quality core fans. Assuming Vedal can really reach a million fans, then a single stream could at least bring in 10 new captains or an equivalent amount of gift rewards, which is equivalent to 1980 yuan, or 216.02 pounds. Do you think this is little? Can it be considered minimal?

In the past nine days, nine individuals have become captains in Vedal's streaming room. Although Vedal has not yet started broadcasting on Bilibili, the enthusiasm of the Chinese fans is already hard to contain.

Four captains are equivalent to 594 yuan, which is 64.81 pounds. After deducting the 50% platform fee for gifts on Bilibili, that leaves 32.40 pounds. If we don’t consider various taxes, then this 32.40 pounds is Vedal’s own money.

Do not underestimate the spending power of Chinese fans.

If Vedal were to post a dynamic on Bilibili using the official account right now, it is very likely that he would gain two new captains as a result.

[true inlet]

Regarding the regulations on live streaming in China, it seems that the constraints are not as widespread as some may imply. There was a list compiled here that outlined restricted phrases and live streaming content, which might have exaggerated the actual extent. The core message of that list was: By avoiding the use of discriminatory language or the distortion of historical events (such as justifying certain historical actions against China), one can largely prevent problems. The remaining concerns mainly involve not sharing excessively explicit content (Bilibili's enforcement in this area is relatively relaxed) and refraining from harsh verbal attacks (which is not our approach). It's worth noting that minor violations, if not widely distributed, usually result in only a temporary halt to the live stream. Permanent account bans are uncommon unless there is a serious offense, such as showing disrespect to Chinese heroes or advocating for the formal separation of a region. As for the tale going around about a music label's Bilibili account facing a backlash for a geographical term, it's wise to be cautious. Vedral's presence is not significant enough to attract such close examination, so there is no need for undue worry.

( By the way, I'm not possibly breaking dc rules, am I? I'm afraid)

[weary yew]

Has anyone mentioned that the agent in china has a controversial reputation? It seems many neuro fans in Tieba (Chinese reddit) do not like the agent

[elfin rapids]

whomegalul

[true inlet]

Tell me more. The agent isn't doing anything so far

[weary yew]

They called the agent "府", and some neuro fans hope vedal had chose another agent.

[elfin rapids]

i would imagine it hardly matter since mandarin forum is just filled with paid actor and bot account and doesnt have impact to the actual performance

[true inlet]

yes i think so

So far, he has not posted any post on Bilibili

[torpid marsh]

quite the ignorant opinion you have there

it can be true depending on what extent you mean

After all, it's a comparable level to english forums, so that the adjective "mandarin" is unnecessary

[elfin rapids]

sorry i added mandarin because its easily observerable on traditional and simplified, and i currently dont know how to quickly identify a brainwashed person or informational warfare account in other language

[cinder wharf]

I think Vedal should stop streaming on Twitch because it has a lot of bots