Neuro plays Poker

[elfin marsh]

I think it would be a great way to test or reinforce her situational awareness through the hand she is dealt and how she gets her opponent(s) to fold. Plus, imagine the table talk.

[proven forum]

Co-signed

[solid vortex]

hmmm it probably can't be done before among us is solved

[proven forum]

Poker is turn-based so it should be easier

You could also start her off on heads-up so you don't have to deal with the complexity of multipe speakers

[solid vortex]

hmmm i thought the challenge with among us is having neuro engage in a conversation with other humans, not overspeaking etc., right?

ahh i guess among us has a crucial reasoning element that poker doesn't need to have

[solid vortex]

hmmm but the table talk isn't turn based, right?

[proven forum]

AFAIK the issues with Among Us are (1) multiple speakers and (2) tying how Neuro talks with an accurate model of the game state.
In Poker you can do heads up, and the game state is easier to model

[proven forum]

Indeed, but since the game is how you update Neuro's knowledge of it is easier to manage

[solid vortex]

maybe a cool gimmick would be to let neuro self-lobotomise herself and adjust her temperature to make bluffs or to play cool

perhaps self-brainwashing by injecting text into her own prompt (e.g. Neuro's LLM decides to replace the hand that's in her prompt with a better hand, for 5 lines)

[proven forum]

You could do that but that would make her table talk a function of RNG. The drama IMO is in her understanding the quality of her hand, and knowing how she should play the hand because of some kind of CFR algorithm, and then seeing what the model has to say to the other player

[solid vortex]

hmm yeah i suppose it would be more interesting to see neuro bluff authentically, despite having her actual bad cards in her prompt. Then the opponent could even try to interrogate Neuro, and sometimes succeed or fail

[cerulean sage]

I like the idea of Neuro plays poker. I wonder if there could be a way implement chat and gamble channel points? I've seen others play blackjack with channel points.

[proven forum]

Vedal could have her play heads up sit n goes with a streamer and chat gambas on the winner

[cerulean sage]

or have the chat hand be forced to play all the way through. Chat can bet on !fold, !raise, !all-in. If the chat hand ends up being a winner, the payouts apply accordingly. This way you don't need another streamer to play and can be an option for chill streams.

There can be interesting banter with neuro gaslighting chat about her hand.

[proven forum]

I thought of this but if you pre-wager channel points chat is incentivized to never fold

You could have chat wager channel points on a sit n go and play it through but that could be slow you would just have to make sure chat's time to act is kept under control

[cerulean sage]

I think though if Neuro starts raising 40k channel points after the final card is drawn, chat either matches or !folds
I'm not sure on the official rules, but say you !fold and end up with a winning hand, you could get your bet refunded. but if your hand is losing then you lost up to the amount put in. This way chatters are left with a choice of either matching Neuro's raise or !fold and lose their current amount or get refunded.

If !fold carries a chance of refund or even a partial refund, this might incentivize chat to fold more often.

I do fear though good gamblers could come out of this with 300k+ channel points in their bank. On the flip side, might deplete people with large banks.

[proven forum]

If good gamblers winning is a bad outcome, I'm not sure how that's Poker

[cerulean sage]

Nothing wrong with having good gamblers. I like these games to double up my channel points. Just thinking of both short term long term pros/cons. As for content, I think Neuro poker would be a blast. Huge community engagement like the theme streams.

[solid vortex]

maybe it would be a bad outcome when considering the broader context of the channel points economy and how that drives viewer engagement? (just spitballing)

[proven forum]

It's also a matter of, what does the channel points system let you do. Does Twitch let you do it where you put all your channel points toward one outcome? Because if you can bet on Neuro winning, the pro-Neuro chatters are incentivized to sabotage the rest of chat unless there's a way to identify and disregard them

[cerulean sage]

I've seen ways of doing it. For a simple Neuro win/lose, it works like a poll but with wagering channel points. For blackjack, before cards are dealt you wager who wins. Streamer or chat and you can !bet accordingly. As the game plays, another poll goes up for !hit or !stay. Of course if you bet on Streamer, there's some sabotage to try and go over 21 but usually the mob plays logically. It seems to work okay for a 300 size streamer. No clue how it could play out for a 10k participant stream but I have faith in democracy.