#About the role change

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deft kernel
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Recently roles got changed, and this thread is mainly about the artist role.

With the recent change, anyone can have the artist role, and the previous one (distinguished artist) is gone.
You could obtain it by drawing a couple of times, it didn't have to be the best art.

It created some problems, mainly having a lot of people with the distinguished artist role, and most of them no longer posting.

I've seen many ideas to re-add the artist role like, adding a certain star threshold, x arts in a certain timespan, the list goes on.

What if we just have people decide? Artists that have huge impact on the server (ex: paccha and Rune) have done amazing arts, and are praised by the community, what if the distinguished artist role was applied to people that create art that is good in the community's view, and has many good reactions? It doesn't have to be constantly, it doesn't always need to have huge reactions, it doesn't need to be valued with stars. Just cool art, from cool members, that deserve a cool role.

lucid epoch
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hey, thanks for providing feedback about the change - it had a fair bit of thought put into it over a long time, so i'm hoping i can expand on that a little

we've had problems in the past with people abusing the system of posting what seemed like intentionally low quality art in #1095941852068331560 to get the role, and some who would just post a few pieces of artwork, get the role then disappear (go inactive or stop making art) for one reason or another
this put some strain on the admins to maintain the role & who has it, for no good reason
it's worth mentioning that the distinguished artist role was never meant to be a requirement for artists, just an optional thing they can ask for

we thought of a solution of having it become a role where artists of any skill range can self-assign it! (that idea then expanded to having more self-assignable roles for hobbies)
by moving away from the admin-designated system, we're cutting out that layer of subjectivity and leaving it to an individual level
greatly talented artists will naturally be known in the community; a separate designation isn't really necessary
other mods are free to jump in and give their own thoughts nodd

if the role were kept around and were to be based on a star threshold or some other gamified system, there's incentive for cheating and generally inaccurate results
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rose swan
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Unfortunately, every system I can think of can be gamified or have arbitrary thresholds even making it exclusive to rather high renown artists is a tad troubling because the cut off is arbitrary on who would qualify or not. I think the new system is fine since really the old system was basically a low threshold which you could make two low quality arts and obtain it. If anything this will proably stop low quality art for the simple purpose of role collection which is a positive and since the role never really was to do with quality or quantity to begin with, I thik the new artist role is actually a better direction.

knotty sandal
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Maybe we can make a emote when a emote is more clicked then 20 times in a picture which mean 20 ppl think this art is gd then they can earn the role

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but every systems have different ‘bugs’, still have to think more about it

rose swan
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I personally think if the artist makes amazing art, they will be recognized by the community for efforts. Most the people i hear listed off are from the recognition earned by their art and not by the distinguished artist role since that role was very easy to earn.

I feel the change in the role being self assigned vs earned has made it seem like there was a loss of prestige or recognition but the reality is for the longest time all you had to do was draw neuro twice with zero quality criteria. I could have earned it and i'm no artist.

tacit gyro
proud saffron
rose swan
knotty sandal
tacit gyro
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Well, it requires some quantifiable requirements, which are hard to come up with when it comes to something abstract and subjective as art.

knotty sandal
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so dont ask me about that cuz i usually got a c+ for art

knotty sandal
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Rather then only mods

tacit gyro
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It introduces more bias

knotty sandal
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hmm ur right
100 ppl have 100 thinking about a pieces of art…

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i dont think we can find a solution in a short period of time

tacit gyro
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Not only that, but you have to choose the artists that will choose other artists after that

knotty sandal
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like ‘lv.20’ artists to choose them

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but the ‘level system’ will be a problem

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like how to choose ‘lv20’ artists

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it will be a problem

deft kernel
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no systems, no stars

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that would be exploitable

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and the leveling system wouldnt "work" as some artists make 10 arts in 2 weeks while others make in 4 months

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also remember, they make art for fun, not for a role
we give them a role as "merit"

knotty sandal
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U can just make 20 alt to give stars haha

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UNLESS u ban ppl with the same ip

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but that’s nearly impossible

deft kernel
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or it can happen as vani send in the thread

deft kernel
knotty sandal
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i agree w/ what u say

deft kernel
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my idea was giving the roles
based on community reaction

knotty sandal
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but unlucky the mods does not think it will be a gd solution:(

deft kernel
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lets say its someone that just joined, has no messages and creates amazing art

the star system could or could not work, depending on the context of the art

the level system is based on how many arts you posted, which is already not a good system

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you can draw stick neuro and it would count as art

knotty sandal
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it rely on trust

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mods trust users/neurons

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then the system work

tacit gyro
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We usually trust users, but sometimes they can and will exploit stuff. e.g. starboard

rose swan
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I trust the users to be giga trolls

rose swan
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The focus on minimalistic line art and the unevenness adds a unique flare hinting at some sort of meaning and is ahead of its time. 10/10, the highest tier neurosama art. If you make a new role for artists, shiro needs it BocchiNod

uncut pelican
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lemme just say this: i wanna see the gymbag role back on as my main role icon

lucid epoch
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since the sub roles aren't optional for connected twitch subs, we had to put them above sub roles so users who want the hobby icons can toggle it on, and those who want the sub icon to toggle it off neuroShrug i'd pin the blame on discord for their role icon behavior

uncut pelican
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i guess no hobby roles for me then

lucid epoch
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yeah... sorry about that :/

desert peak
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I want to add my two cents

Distinguished Artist felt like a massive accomplishment for me when I attained it. I never asked for the role, but others clearly thought I deserved it and I was awarded the title.

It gave me this little feedback loop that let me know as an artist just starting out, that I was making progress and that was being recognized by the community. It was a badge of honor that I wore and took seriously.

Now that it’s gone, or rather, now that it was taken away and replaced with a hobbyist role that anyone can take, said accomplishment feels a bit diminished, and with it, a bit of my motivation.

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I want to make it clear that I did not start drawing to be noticed or anything. But it happened nonetheless, and had me take it a lot more seriously.

The role made me feel like I was in a distinguished position. A community leader of sorts, and that made me feel like I could eventually be someone newer artists looked up to, someone to give advice and help wherever needed.

Of course I’m not going to stop striving towards that goal, but I felt like a big step in that direction was just taken back.

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Sorry for the Essaying1