Add more tags to the art channel

[torpid rune]

Please add more tags to the art channel like :

• Neuro art (for Neuro and Evil)
• Vedal art
• Neuroverse art (for art that mix Anny, Neuro and Vedal or collabs partners)

Vedal already approved to add more tags, admins do your work
#neurotic-neurons message

[brittle solstice]

damn, I have deja vu

[agile pelican]

We already discussed this once

[torpid rune]

Where ?

[agile pelican]

There's another thread about this

Just search for it in the forum channel

Main issue with adding new tags is that they won't be applied retroactively

The ideal tag setup would be to have one tag per character, so Neuro, evil, vedal, anny, Collab partners, etc

But there's no negative filter so you can't filter out WIP works if WIP is it's own tag

[agile pelican]

I'm down for having more tags to make it easier to filter but the ones you suggested aren't that good

And they would just cause confusion

[torpid rune]

I see that it's on the list ,

I just want it to be added quickly so that I don't have to search for the art that I want everytime I check #1095941852068331560 (because everything is mixed up) and I think a lot of people are in the same cases.
But I know that you don't have the power to add them rn.

I will not delete the post, so that everyone can see it.

[torpid rune]

It's just a suggestion, I don't care, I just want more tags

[agile pelican]

And im saying that if anyone can come up with a good tag system I'll add it

But I cba to think about it, plus I don't use tags for filtering so I'm not entirely sure what would be the best approach / have the least drawbacks

But given the fact that there are no negative filters it makes this quite hard

If you want to filter for works which have Neuro but don't have vedal for example, you would need separate Neuro and neuroverse tag like what you suggested in the original post

But of you wanted to filter for works which had Neuro regardless if vedal was in them or not, you would need individual tags for each character

Like depending on the use case, the ideal system is different

[torpid rune]

Yeh I think that's the best approach to stacks tags when we want to search for art that includes Neuro and Vedal.
Maybe add tags like "Neuro + x", Vedal+x" idk if it's a good idea.
And keep regular tags like "Neuro", "Vedal" for art that have only one character in them.
It would implies that this model of tags is the reverse of the current one with a lot of tags for every situations.

[fast shuttle]

Imo, more tags to filter art is actually really important, since art is how VTubers get recognition.
There definitely has to be a tag to include all art that includes Neuro or Evil and excludes art that doesn't.
A Neuro-adjacent tag might be needed for art of Vedal, Melba Toast, John Lemon, Doge the Dino, and other random things Neuro has talked about.
Unrelated is fine as it is.
I would put all WIP in its own category since I think most people who care about filtering out WIP art and only looking at finished art don't care about the specific category, just whether it's WIP or not (just so we're not dealing with six categories or more)

[agile pelican]

What do you mean "category"?

[fast shuttle]

Tags I mean

[agile pelican]

Can you just give me an example?

I don't really understand your suggestion

[fast shuttle]

so Neuro, Neuro adjacent, Unrelated, and WIP

An example of what?

[agile pelican]

What the tags could look like

[agile pelican]

So that basically

[fast shuttle]

I put all tags I'm suggesting on its own line, thought that would make it clear enough

[agile pelican]

I'm on mobile it's just one big blob of text

[agile pelican]

But something like that is confusing for someone making a post

Whats the difference between Neuro and Neuro related? Is Neuro related Collab partners? Does Neuro include Vedal? What if it's Neuro with vedal on top of her head? Is that Neuro or Neuro related? Or both

[agile pelican]

I don't like the idea of stacked tags, what if an author decides to draw evil with anny and vedal? Do we have to have a tag for all tens of possible character combinations?

[torpid rune]

Do we have to have a tag for all tens of possible character combinations?
Yes, that's what i'm saying by "reverse model from the current one"

[fast shuttle]

I think you're misunderstanding my point, at the moment, there is no separate tag to include only art that has Neuro or Evil. Neuro with Vedal on top of her head is still Neuro art, Vedal by himself isn't

[torpid rune]

But overall I think that we are overthinking it too much, I feel like we are drowning the fish.
Why not do a test run with simple different tags to see how it goes ?
The art channel is already a mess, I don't why people would complain if we add more tags

[agile pelican]

we can't just iterate on art tags, once a tag is created deleting is not a good idea because it leaves art untagged

So unless someone goes ahead and retags everything retroactively

It's better to just think of something that works the first time

[agile pelican]

I did not misunderstand your point. I understood your point, I just brought up an issue that I found with it.

[fast shuttle]

I'll just address every case, keeping in mind Neuro art is anything with Neuro and Evil in it.

Collab partners are Neuro related (no Neuro, not Neuro art)
Vedal is Neuro related (not Neuro herself)
Neuro with Vedal on top of her head is Neuro art (Neuro is in it)

Neuro-related art doesn't have to be included in Neuro art

[agile pelican]

You misunderstand my point

I am not asking you these questions

These are questions that the artists are going to ask themselves when posting

If the tags cannot be understood intuitively, they are not good tags

[torpid rune]

I would like to have a Vedal tag tho, because I know what Vedal art most people draw, and this tag will be flooded with it. And I agree with Alex I feel like artists will be very confused with this tags #neuro art #neuro related and so am i

[agile pelican]

(and no, just explaining them in a pinned post isn't good enough of a solution)

[fast shuttle]

I don't personally see how "Neuro art is art that has Neuro or Evil in it, anything that doesn't have Neuro or Evil in it is not Neuro art" is unclear

[agile pelican]

Ok how do you shorten that to 20 characters

Which is the limit for a tag

[fast shuttle]

"Neuro art"?

[agile pelican]

So if someone has an art piece that has Neuro with vedal, that would be considered Neuro art. Also if it has Neuro and filian, it would also be Neuro art

Also if it has Neuro and evil, it would be Neuro art

[fast shuttle]

Yes exactly

[agile pelican]

So basically a more toned-down version of something like this /\

This would be a good solution if there was a negative filter i think

[fast shuttle]

I honestly haven't heard of anyone having an issue with other characters being in Neuro art. What I have heard is how difficult it is to find art with Neuro in it without finding art that doesn't have any Neuro at all

Vedal and Melba Toast art for example

And for the purposes of this discussion, I consider Evil a "Neuro", her full name is Evil Neuro and we have this for example

[torpid rune]

Anyway, I think we (us three) agrees on that we need more than one tag

[agile pelican]

meh ill give it some thought and come up with something tomorrow perhaps

[fast shuttle]

Thanks for considering

[agile pelican]

I haven't forgotten

[agile pelican]

i'm sorry, i haven't gotten around to this yet

[amber urchin]

[agile pelican]

[torpid rune]

My poor thread... forgotten....

[merry jetty]

[sonic grail]

guess i’ll bump this tomorrow and get approval since nobody else has

[merry jetty]

[lilac shard]

Bump it

Oh it seems that people bump it before but they forgor 💀

[lilac shard]

[merry jetty]

[sonic grail]

i bumped it internally that day, maybe i can do it one more time

[lilac shard]

[merry jetty]

[lilac shard]

[merry jetty]

[plucky igloo]

bump.

[glass flame]

yeah so about this huh

spoiler tag rule for "suggestive" arts so that the thumbnail is blurred? not everyone wants to see that shit

[near imp]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1163786388345458759

i made this post too lol

[weary jay]

no cause there won't be

[amber urchin]

[agile pelican]

can someone remind me why we need more art tags in the first place

[lilac shard]

Basicaly have tags for specific characters to find art more easily

For example if you want to see or search for only vedal art to make it more easy

Because neuroverse encompases a lot

[agile pelican]

fair

[lilac shard]

then what

[agile pelican]

idk im not a discord mod anymore

i'm running away from my responsabilities

[lilac shard]

[near imp]

Best moderator tbh

[weary jay]

we reviewed options for tags and sadly there's some annoying discord limitations to tag filtering, so we've decided for now it's better to just clarify what constitutes the "neuroverse" to keep the tag as focused as possible for easy searching. As said above any tags added will ideally be permanent since we don't want to leave past art untagged, so if we come up with a useful system compatible with discord tag finding we'll implement it, but there is no ETA on this for now

also mentioned in #mod-announcements now

[lilac shard]

[weary jay]

@brittle solstice

thread revived for this since its similar

[brittle solstice]

There is an uncertainty of how to use Neuroverse tag in #1095941852068331560 . The description for it is "art with Neuro, Evil or Vedal". But that doesn't include everything else that is being created by people specifically for the community. For example: Neuro and Evil likes to bring in some made up characters, and community likes to make them into reality. And it's really sad to classify all that art as being "not related". Those are the things that expand lore and make memes.

So, what is really the question: is what people want to see, when they look up the neuroverse tag and the unrelated tag.

For me the unrelated tag is for the stuff which really don't relate to Neuroverse at all OR something independent on it's own, cause it's unreasonable to put in Neuroverse tag any Vtuber who had collabed with Neuro.

So non-canon Neuroverse should still be considered a part of Neuroverse or have it's own art tag.

It's not obvious which solution to chose, it depends on what majority of people thinks (cause again those tags are meant for people's convenience, that's why they should decide). A good move would be to make a poll about it.

And a few more words about art review on chill streams. In the case of the new tag being added, it would be cool if Neuro and Evil were reacting not only on Neuroverse tag, but also on non-canon Neuroverse. Again, it's for the people to decide. Or vedal

Me personally don't see any problem in showing some Filter sama art on stream. A lot of people may like to see it .

[weary jay]

i haven’t been able to watch these past few streams where the character was made so i need to ask, is “filter sama” something neuro/evil created or was it something that was made up within the community? (Like one day everyone was bored and brought up the idea of making the filter another character)

cause as far as i can tell it was brought up to evil to mention it on stream

but im not sure if that was the start of it

like lets have jhon lemon as an example, that’s smth that neuro entirely made up

not something brought up to her

lets make that distinction first

[shut vapor]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1291041773266796575

Vedal said filter is an AI, Evil named the filter AI, and artists personified the filter AI as a character.

For that character, it originated because Vedal said the filter for the twins was an AI then chat asked Evil what the name of the AI was and she said Nere. The resulting character is then just a personification of the twins' filter depicting it as a character like the twins because Vedal said it is already an AI. The appearance is based off the twins because she is another AI created by Vedal.

The filter is something Vedal created by coding it and Neuro gave it a name while the community gave it an appearance which is derived from Neuro (mostly a recolor) and is simply a personification of something that exists on the stream.

Sorry for redundancy.

[brittle solstice]

Yeap, that pretty much summs up the story. Here's the clip of Evil naming her https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/FunnyGenerousSharkFeelsBadMan-YhMpLurzdZaKto4A

[dense narwhal]

just got back from work and caught up with the VOD. I noticed the art I commissioned was credited to me instead of the actual artist #1293030919917010985. I can't draw to save my life . Do you think we could add another tag for commissioned art or something? I'm happy Neuro was able to see her cute art though

[weary jay]

that has nothing to do with the tags since it picks your username unless you want the art to not appear on stream (let me know which applies), I think that vedal knows about that unless he forgot so maybe it's time consuming to change it atm

[dense narwhal]

hey, sorry for the ping. So, I was thinking, if we could detect when an art piece has the commissioned tag, maybe we could change "Artist: #username" to "Commissioner: #username" on the screen? And I could also post the version with the artist’s name on it (they usually send one for social media posts).
I definitely want Neuro/Evil to see the art, but it just feels weird having my name as the artist, ya know? lol. No biggie though! For now, I’ll wait until after their chill stream to share the art I commissioned ^^

but yea, I don't think it's worth investing too much time on it for now. Vedal has too much stuff going on already

[weary jay]

I think this would require another forum post about it in detail

cause this would be on vedal's hand to figure out how to do that, not on us