Voting

[junior reef]

Utilize Swarm News role or some new role/new channel so people who want to vote on stuff proposed can get notified about it to avoid decision made by 0.07% of people because rest didn't know about it

[main ingot]

there is a percentage of neuro fans who are not on discord

they will be mad

[faint plover]

Why?

[solemn ermine]

i really don't think vedal wants to engage 40,000 people every time he wants a 2 second vibe check tbh. this is just not that serious.

[solemn grail]

Then join the discord idk

[torn oracle]

latest thing vedal said on this is
just to fill in if people missed

[faint plover]

They won't be mad if they didn't know they had a choice in the first place

[torn oracle]

if they're not on discord they can't complain

[trim folio]

Given the amount of people reacting on #schedule postings, I don't expect that 0.07% percentage increasing by any meaningful amount.

[solemn grail]

I mean i think that is a better number than 37 people but idk

[torn oracle]

tbf not everyone has the habit of clicking a "i saw this" mark on social media posts
it's not like it matters at all if you click it or not, unlike the voting

the whole thing happened because vedal hadnt had the schedule done by last dev stream, since he usually has the dev stream viewers vote
i think in cases like those, notifying the dev stream viewers that there will be a schedule vote in the discord later is an optimal alternative

[junior reef]

Well I have the whole server sound muted, aside for schedule and announcements. And for stream vote there was 36 votes

Im not talking about pinging 46k people to join a vote for stream, I ask for ping people that would like to have a say on the server that have channels muted

Or are not looking at this channel at the time

[torn oracle]

also we dont need numbers like 10k votes, only around 5-6k watch streams anyway and i'm sure a big part of those don't care what to watch.
it's about making it visible for people who DO care

[solemn ermine]

I think the more likely outcome is just he doesn't ask again since it caused drama like he said in the screenshots

[torn oracle]

im ok with that, then we can complain with nothing like conscience(simulated by gaslighting) stopping us

[junior reef]

• makes a poll
• tiny amount of people who know about it vote
• takes it as community vote
• community gets upset
  if Vedal decides not to make more votes based on this chain of events, that's crazy

[solemn grail]

I mean we did the poll from the Game in Halloween to the mortuary assistant and atleast It was pinned if i remember correctly

[torn oracle]

the horror game poll was floating for around 24 hours
consistently reposted by mods and others in #neurotic-neurons

[trim folio]

Just to be clear, FNAF was winning that time

[solemn ermine]

i've seen streamers pop into offline chats and ask 2 people what they should do. Getting any say at all is already a bonus

is not a democracy and our opinions don't matter

[solemn grail]

I know but thats not why i mean, what i mean IS that atleast you knew what was happening and you had more of a grace period

[junior reef]

And it was actively discussed on the Neurotic. The stream question and schedule droping was not even 2hrs apart and poll was burried under spam

[junior reef]

I mean if thats what the direction Vedal wants to take sure, but this #neurotic-neurons message is just bullshit

[solemn grail]

Heck now we didn't even take into account the options now? We only knew what Stream It was when the schedule dropped

[solemn ermine]

it's a quick joke in a discord chat, it's genuiely not that serious

but I'll bow out here, nothing i can say that's not repeating the same things

[solemn grail]

I mean i guess but if It decides content then there idk what to say

[junior reef]

If Vedal decides "no eliv stream this week" sure we will meme the rigging, second child, forgotten etc.
But if Vedal decides community made of 36 people decides and says to us not to blame him for our decision, thats not very nice of him

[trim folio]

Just to be sure, what an average amount of people you personally will be satisfied with?

[torn oracle]

if im among them

[junior reef]

I think thats a good example

150 people voting game to play on stream

Even 100 people would be greater than 36

[trim folio]

Gotcha

[junior reef]

and looking at the amount of people with the role, polls might have even more people joining than 150

[rigid pasture]

Voting is just a mere illusion of democracy. Tutel could just not abide by the results if he wanted to. He uses them to shift the blame. I for one think there's no need for the community to decide anything in this case. Also, stop complaining about every small decision. It just puts unnecessary pressure on him.

[torn oracle]

he has already said it himself that he's responsible for creating community like this. constantly creating some fictitious reasons to do things when the last say is really in his hands.
it created this idea that there needs to be an excuse for anything to happen and when that excuse doesnt work out going with "i said so" doesnt seem to work anymore
personally im cool with vedal deciding the schedule on his own, my problem was the blame shifting
also im not saying he should start ignoring feedback, im saying IF there are polls, then they should be "what do you guys like?" not "what will this be?". sure that's what vedal meant all along, but it apparently didn't look it for people

[trim folio]

I won't be speculating on meaning of a one single message.

[junior reef]

#1169332983120003092 message

[sweet depot]

For stream decisions like these I don’t think it’s that serious, personally I think he should’ve chosen the stream himself if the community is gonna explode every-time something doesn’t go their way, but if a fair voting system stops that then I’m all for it, if people still keep throwing fits saying it’s rigged or something after this than what was really the point

[quasi haven]

Easy solution, community shouldn't get upset.

As vedal said this isn't really a democracy he just wants to gauge some opinions

If it was made into a big poll with a ping or something, there would be an expectancy for him to follow that poll (I retract this point as it is invalid, it's my assumption of something that I have no business in.)

At the end of the day it's his channel and he can do whatever he wants, it's not the community's place to get upset over it

Even if in some instances I agree that it makes sense to have polls reach a broader audience (like asking what game to play), that's up to him if he wants to do that, he can make a poll on stream or ping more people etc

[junior reef]

I mean with every poll there is expectancy. When you ask people if they want option A or option B, people pick option A with majority they will expect it to be A, when person creating a poll picks option other than majority picked it gets confusing why even pick, no matter if you make it official or no.

In this case people got upset because there was a poll, few people voted in it, it seemed that Vedal seen it as community vote and when rest of us was told that we chose to have this option we got upset because we didnt know about it, and many of us wanted to have an Evil stream this week, many of us want at least 1 Evil stream every week

Also when going back on Neurotic Neurons people were talking about cyberpunk themed stream for Evil (since there was no scheduled Evil stream yet and other option was demon one), and there were some in moment of unrest where people were expecting evil to be on the stream and got upset because of that, so vote might be slightly unclear since people expected to vote on Evil stream options

[quasi haven]

That's fair

[solemn grail]

At the end It was just miscomunication no? For the likes of it

[junior reef]

I see it as a mix

[solemn grail]

I think that clarity of intentions from vedal would've make It easier but hey all end that ends well

[junior reef]

Ye, lack of clarity really is a big problem here