suika game and improving neuro's vision? | Neuro-sama Headquarters | Page 1

crystal wolf Oct 20, 2023, 5:49 PM

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this game has been getting popular among vtubers for a few weeks now. If vedal was to teach neuro to play it, improving her vision and analyzing capabilities seems like the only way, since i doubt it has an API or mods to inject raw data in neuro.

The main goal being improving her vision and neuro becoming decent at suika being just a milestone. Also, it should not be too hard; look, even ANNY got the watermelon
it should be noted though, the game is nintendo switch only, but we all know what emulators are, right?

ocean cove Oct 20, 2023, 5:56 PM

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"we all know what emulators are"
yeah no he's gonna need a switch

night pelican Oct 20, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Camila offered to buy him one neurOMEGALUL

lilac gazelle Oct 21, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Ngl don’t get the hype around this game, it’s kinda boring to watch.

crystal wolf Oct 21, 2023, 6:22 PM

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it's about anime girls making suspicious noises and saying ambiguous sentences

ocean cove Oct 21, 2023, 6:23 PM

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crystal wolf it's about anime girls making suspicious noises and saying ambiguous sentences

the closest we can get to that is evil's noises

narrow spruce Oct 22, 2023, 5:53 AM

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The trend will be over after Vedal develop the suika ai in like 10 years neurOMEGALUL

ocean cove Oct 22, 2023, 6:32 AM

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narrow spruce The trend will be over after Vedal develop the suika ai in like 10 years <:neurO...

true

digital flume Oct 22, 2023, 8:51 AM

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lilac gazelle Ngl don’t get the hype around this game, it’s kinda boring to watch.

remember when 2048 was popular
yeah its basically the exact same as that

prisma kite Oct 23, 2023, 1:29 PM

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honestly, with how easy that game is mechanically, remaking it doesn't take much effort, from programming standpoint at least - this demo took less than 2 hours basically, with chunk of that time is me drawing damn mechanical hand on top lmao
and we could make our own version with erms and neuros if someone is willing to do art part, cause god sees i can't draw at all KEKW

ocean cove Oct 23, 2023, 1:56 PM

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pogs

ocean cove Oct 23, 2023, 4:28 PM

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now that is actually something that could be done

digital flume Oct 23, 2023, 4:46 PM

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prisma kite honestly, with how easy that game is mechanically, remaking it doesn't take much...

here i made some sprites for the balls:
nuero nwero eliv

ocean cove Oct 23, 2023, 4:49 PM

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1: nuero
2: nwero
3: eliv
4: anyn
5: veadl
6: cbbgea
7: hyiori
8: mebla

limpid warren Oct 23, 2023, 4:59 PM

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As far as I understand, "Improving her vision" is mostly limited by hardware, the resolution and frame rate is intentionally limited so that the model doesn't consume all of the system resources when it's running.

shy belfry Oct 23, 2023, 5:36 PM

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downloaded the game, it's a fun time waster, but not sure how an AI would strategize as much of the game play is very simplistic with a dash of luck. Those that get high scores have lucky streaks and implement cheesy strategy like double dropping or purpose pushing the fruits.

crystal wolf Oct 23, 2023, 8:35 PM

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limpid warren As far as I understand, "Improving her vision" is mostly limited by hardware, th...

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/613d9505adb6826e95116b87/4x.gif

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still, going back to how she saw forest in an all blue windows logo with the erm, there're definitely some flaws that could be fixed on top of hardware limitations, if it wasnt neuro just trolling
surely

limpid warren Oct 23, 2023, 9:51 PM

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Not sure what he uses for her to look at the desktop, seems likely that it takes a reasonable resolution still image occasionally and passes it through to some kind of image recognition, when she was rating fridges she picked up on text in the images fairly well.

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So it probably just is a fairly limited dataset included with whatever tool he's using, I don't think he's spent time gathering annotated image data sets to enhance the tool with extra categories of information

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He could, but for entertainment value I'm not sure if her accurately identifying images is any better than just making stuff up completely.

digital flume Oct 24, 2023, 9:48 AM

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i dont think image recognition is the best choice for a game with so many unique objects on screen (each fruit), she would have to know the position, stage and size of each fruit, understand where the basket is, and know what and where she is about to drop a fruit. image recognition ai just isnt there yet, even if the model can give an advanced description of the image, its just not enough to infer the game state and something like that would have to be done with a mod to read the game data or by making a clone from the ground up

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or alternatively, wait probably quite a few years for realtime ai vision lol

scarlet horizon Oct 24, 2023, 6:04 PM

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prisma kite honestly, with how easy that game is mechanically, remaking it doesn't take much...

Yo, I also started making a clone and had the same idea with a neuro version. I got the gameplay all done, but I'm very hesitant to use any neuro art without permission for the "fruit" and background etc. :/

prisma kite Oct 24, 2023, 6:21 PM

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ye that's why i haven't done that too

scarlet horizon Oct 24, 2023, 6:28 PM

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idk, maybe we can get anny to draw us some sprites xD I have little artistic talent

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 2:57 AM

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That's my progress atm. Note the excellent programmer art and missing assets Tutel

carmine void Oct 25, 2023, 5:47 AM

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I could make UI and sprite assets if this becomes an official project. Shouldn't take me long to whip up a few vector graphics in illustrator.

digital flume Oct 25, 2023, 12:52 PM

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ocean cove 1: nuero 2: nwero 3: eliv 4: anyn 5: veadl 6: cbbgea 7: hyiori 8: mebla

surely use these

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 2:16 PM

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carmine void I could make UI and sprite assets if this becomes an official project. Shouldn't...

What does "official" mean? I'm just making this for fun. When it's done I'll put a link up for github and people can go wild. But help would be welcome :) I'm not at the PC atm, but if you want I can message you later what sprites exist and dimensions

carmine void Oct 25, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I only meant if you're serious about finishing it, but yeah. Send me the deets I'll see what I can do

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Yo, I'm on pc now. Whenever you got time :)

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 4:32 PM

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Is anyone here that own the original game on switch? I got a few questions

neat fjord Oct 25, 2023, 4:41 PM

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scarlet horizon Is anyone here that own the original game on switch? I got a few questions

sure, im not very good at it though but maybe i can help

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im also interested in seeing your github project because i wanna try implementing some things to see if that improves or ruins the game mumeiwhistle

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Question is: What happens if you drop a fruit (especially a large one) right at the edge. Does it "snap" it into place and pushes it away from the wall?

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I can make the repo public in a bit. I just hesitated, because I did it in a few hours and I don't want anyone to take away my programmer socks because the code is so hacked together before I get a chance to clean it up xD

neat fjord Oct 25, 2023, 5:13 PM

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scarlet horizon Question is: What happens if you drop a fruit (especially a large one) right at ...

it bounces at the edge of the wall

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might be better if i draw a pic thonkSSR

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actually, the swirly might be confusing because the path is straight. but conceptually it rotates while it bounces off the edge

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 5:20 PM

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Ok, then I got it right.

carmine void Oct 25, 2023, 8:23 PM

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Here's my progress so far. Next "fruit" I think should be a cookie instead. I don't have any ideas for a cherry substitute, though.

scarlet horizon Oct 25, 2023, 10:34 PM

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Here's the repo
https://github.com/gartoks/BlobGame
Don't judge too harshly. I want to keep my programmer socks.

GitHub

GitHub - gartoks/BlobGame: A simple SUIKA inspired fand game.

A simple SUIKA inspired fand game. Contribute to gartoks/BlobGame development by creating an account on GitHub.

carmine void Oct 26, 2023, 5:56 AM

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progress: This is now Melba Toast Game

digital flume Oct 26, 2023, 7:31 AM

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carmine void progress: This is now Melba Toast Game

i continue to request nuero ball

covert socket Oct 26, 2023, 1:33 PM

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In case you're interested. I added linux support and a game over screen.

scarlet horizon Oct 26, 2023, 2:18 PM

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I only see the linux support commit

covert socket Oct 26, 2023, 2:19 PM

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I'll push the other one later. It'll mess with the PR otherwise.

scarlet horizon Oct 26, 2023, 2:21 PM

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I'm also currently implementing a proper gui system, so we can probably merge our 2 ideas

covert socket Oct 26, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Does your code compile?

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My version doesn't because Time in Renderer.cs line 64 isn't defined.

scarlet horizon Oct 26, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Now it does. I accidentally forgot to delete a line in Renderer

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Add/// <summary>
/// Keeps trakc of the time since the game started.
/// </summary>
internal static float Time = 0;

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New version with updated textures, font and a clean tumbler implementation

carmine void Oct 27, 2023, 4:34 AM

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Made a bit of progress today

shy belfry Oct 27, 2023, 6:56 PM

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I wonder if an AI can get a high score in a game as dynamic as this? The game mixes in a lot of luck.

limpid warren Oct 27, 2023, 7:17 PM

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That's the fun part of machine learning, you just don't know what's going to happen until you train it. It could find some crazy strategy or it could end up terrible until you tweak the inputs and rewards to account for something needed to make better choices

neat fjord Oct 27, 2023, 7:39 PM

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shy belfry I wonder if an AI can get a high score in a game as dynamic as this? The game m...

i think a genetic algorithm could do well

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no idea how to run/train one though

covert socket Oct 27, 2023, 8:44 PM

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I added support for custom themes. Now we can have a neuro and a toast version.

scarlet horizon Oct 27, 2023, 10:52 PM

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Can you add the zip file too?

scarlet horizon Oct 27, 2023, 11:47 PM

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I fixed the theme code, not it can actually be loaded Oh, and it no longer creates a mem leak

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 12:27 AM

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@covert socket Can you fix the font loading code? It doesn't load the font and uses the default one. The Font object exists, but everything is zero. Theme.cs, "LoadFont" in the unsafe section

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 5:48 AM

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@prisma kite Say what physics engine did you use for your version?

covert socket Oct 28, 2023, 7:20 AM

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scarlet horizon Can you add the zip file too?

They are the .theme files

prisma kite Oct 28, 2023, 7:52 AM

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scarlet horizon <@231999894024486912> Say what physics engine did you use for your version?

Mine runs on Godot game engine and therefore uses built-in proprietary physics

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 7:53 AM

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Ahh, shucks

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Thank you anyway!

prisma kite Oct 28, 2023, 7:53 AM

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Np

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 7:53 AM

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Oh, maybe this

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What did you use for dampening/friction values

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and restitution?

prisma kite Oct 28, 2023, 7:55 AM

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Uhh that's a good question, i haven't changed defaults for the demo iiirc

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I'll double check in a few minutes

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 7:56 AM

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Thanks! I'm about to head to bed, but I'll check in later

prisma kite Oct 28, 2023, 8:00 AM

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Ok so it's using gravity of 980 pixels/second, linear damp of 0.1 (10 seconds till full stop), angular damp of 1 (1 second till rotation stop)

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variable mass of 1-11kg per fruit type, though you may want to adjust that to what feels better

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and i'm also applying central impulse to a new fruit on merge as a sum of velocities of merging fruits

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it's not entirely correct but better than having it spawn idle

covert socket Oct 28, 2023, 8:05 PM

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I got some basic computer play working. It's not AI yet, but it is in python and consistently hits 1300+ points.

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The average for completely random placements is ~900 points.

scarlet horizon Oct 28, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Yooo Nice

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I wanted to add the basic support for automated control today

carmine void Oct 30, 2023, 5:21 AM

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Toast Game is looking good bros

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Here's a peek at all the vector spritework I've done so far. Some of these may look familiar, others... you'll have to play it to find out!

neat fjord Oct 30, 2023, 9:25 AM

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fairy bread raenithink

twilit zodiac Nov 1, 2023, 8:17 AM

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ocean cove "we all know what emulators are" yeah no he's gonna need a switch

yuzu -- the switch emul8tor

ocean cove Nov 1, 2023, 8:33 AM

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twilit zodiac yuzu -- the switch emul8tor

yes I am aware that switch emulators exist

scarlet horizon Nov 2, 2023, 4:29 AM

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Small update:
DONE:

tutorial
classic game mode
all high res textures
all sounds are in
settings
full mouse and keyboard control
fully controllable via sockets
gui
animations

TODO:

update music tracks
"improved" game mode with piece holding (like tetris) and arena shoving (like pinball)
graphical polish when pieces combine
testing and the following bugfixing
game logo
arena texture
sound volume adjustments

MAYBE / LATER: