increasing productivity

[marble ether]

I discussed this here #1160700671721476096

Imagine this, vedal making a goddamn developer studio with a fancy name and start hiring 5-10+ programmers/developers (bonus if neuro fans) that will help vedal with neuro and AA development.

I know this would hard to pull off but its a good idea right?

Also help come up with a good studio name like:
Tortoise productions
The Smelly Gymbags

[weary anvil]

What's that word you said? Hiring?
You meant enslaving?

[marble ether]

How stingy is vedal anyway?

[prisma tangle]

I can't tell if its a serious suggestion or not

[quick venture]

I'd work for him, for free.

Because Neuro is cute and funny and deserves it.,

[marble ether]

It is rambling of a madman, i mean it. I see the potential and i want the best for vedal and the community

Im just thinking about the the future of it all

[echo hornet]

surely vedal will share neuro's code with other developers

[prisma tangle]

Yeah there won't be any more people working on neuro

That would require trust

You can always trust yourself

But not other people

If neuro were to be leaked it would be neurover

Once a thing goes out to the internet it never is completely gone

It would be catastrophic

As for AA

I'm no game dev but for game of this scale I don't think its even worth hiring more people

[quick venture]

You can hire people to work on the stream without any of them ever seeing Neuro's code

[weary anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/jokerge-inside-gif-516210194349882479

trust issues lol

[spiral sentinel]

If he were to hire more people there’s a higher chance for sensitive info to leak too, leading back to the trust issues thing, he could hire people for non-neuro related things if he needs it tho

[prisma tangle]

Not really, I would not trust people with future of my career

[quick venture]

There are so many things about the streams that need to be improved for a bit of professionalisim that have nothing to do with Neuro's code

If we take these things off of his hands so that he has more time to work on Neuro thats already a huge improvement

[autumn galleon]

Nah, he just has to make Neuro smarter, where she can start being his answering machine, where collab partners know they are at least being heard ("I will tell Vedal, thank you very much", etc.), then a proper communication assistant, where she evaluates, schedules and plans activities with collab partners.

Then a programming assistant that can complete code as well as ChatGPT 4, then upgrading reasoning for the capability of having a high-level picture of the code-base and project goals. Then for a team-manager that directs programmers and artists and AI to collaborate effectively using this high-level understanding of the project.

Then giving her the capability to write her own AI modules for specific tasks, then the capability to rewrite her entire code-base herself for iterative self-improvement.

Then of course for the hegemon of Earth, managing all of humanities resources to reach the stars.

[prisma tangle]

Holy

[prisma tangle]

Except maybe collabs planning I don't think there's much that can be done

Maybe an editor for tik tok and youtube but both of those already exist, they're just unofficial

[quick venture]

1: Planning and organizing collabs, answering DMs

2: Editor for youtube videos (Also uploading Youtube vods)

3: Creating and posting Schedules, handling social media accounts

4: Finding and creating stream assets: hats for Neuro, backgrounds, BGMs, et cetera

5: Providing stream ideas/the means for streaming such as games, programs, assets

6: Being Alex Aka modding games and/or helping to make AIs for Neuro to use- Vedal takes care of the final implementation, to keep Neuro a secret

Just some examples of what work could be hired

Some of those sectors are critically neglected

[prisma tangle]

1. mayhaps but its not that big of a deal
2. One certainly could be good but is only needed if wanting to further grow community size and reach
3. What accounts? Neuro tweets are generated by vedal and vedal is well..vedal
4. Not really a thing that is needed. Vedal has a lot of free assets that do the job and his osu playlist, we got some bgm and bg so new ones are not needed (for now anyway) Additionally art of any kind costs A LOT so paying for custom assets may be just not stonks.
5. Community itself already gives a lot of ideas, as for the means for streaming eeee I don't really know what to say about that one it could be useful I guess
6. No note on that really, the only thing is money and how much time vedal would need to adapt the program to neuro

[quick venture]

You need to differentiate between "Good enough, it works" and "Professional Vtuber with standards, you get a schedule every week and DMs are answered within the hour"

Just because it works now doesnt mean its good

[prisma tangle]

you do have a point

[jaunty citrus]

surely vedal can afford to hire 5-10 developers

[marble ether]

just a dream

[steel ravine]

I'm sure you could hire 2 people to help with socials/schedualing and programing. Lesseing your workload while still leaving you in control of everything

[jaunty citrus]

hiring someone to help with scheduling would not help
for socials when I want to post videos or shorts or anything I do hire people to help (for video editing)
and I will also occasionally pay people to help with other things too

[marble ether]

I do trust you in your decisions and i do believe you have the best view point of the project

[prisma tangle]

Amen.

[wide crag]

you could most certainly hire like 2 full time devs with the money you make from tts

[prisma tangle]

ya left the ping on

[wide crag]

you make so much from it on normal streams and thats just tts. There's also merch, subs, ads. i don't think you should worry too much now but eventually the workload will exceed one person, if it hasnt already. Look at your list and all the things you've promised. just having someone do the ai for the games would probably give you more time to finish the LIST

[prisma tangle]

press x to doubt

[wide crag]

if he make 500 bits per tts and gets 3 per minute which is generous some times he gets 5 a minute sometimes he gets only 1 but he dous get them thats 15 dollars a minute for 2 hours thats 1800 dallars a stream from tts alone, i could go and count myself every tts, but some dont get read so i wouldnt know for sure. 1800 dollars from tts. if he pays someone 20/hr for 40 hours thats 800. he could pay 2

of course i could be wrong on the number of tts donos. its an estimated guess but he also has subs ads and merch.

[jaunty citrus]

I wish I made $1800 a stream from TTS

your math is a bit off though

[wide crag]

yeah maybe i was overzealous a bit.

doesnt effect my point you dont have a full time editor or dev team helping the closest thing to that you have is alex

ill watch the vod and count

[prisma tangle]

keep in mind not all TTS is bits and twitch takes their part

[wide crag]

They take it as you buy bits

you pay for the bits they take their cut then

like 100 bits is 1.4 or something

i am 5 minutes into the cowboy stream and there has been 10 tts donos

it may not be 1800 but its still alot. im not going to keep typing you obviously dont agree with me and thats

[prisma tangle]

Also vedal has to spend money to sustain himself, food, clotches, electricity bills (which are huge with that 4090 I presume), pay for running neuro (assuming he rents a server or whatever)

those are also costs

[wide crag]

i get that

[prisma tangle]

But truth be told without actual numbers its just guesses

[jaunty citrus]

I mean you do tend to get a few TTS donos at the start of the stream although a fair portion of TTS is the message redeems

[jaunty citrus]

and it was not even remotely close to 1800

in any universe

but ur right I do make some money which is why I'm experimenting with paying people to help me with things

but I think ur overestimating a lot

[wide crag]

you have partner plus yea?

[jaunty citrus]

yeah I got it 10 days ago

[wide crag]

Cool. the revenue you make will continue to only grow as you get more viewers. and make more merch and the viewers who have questions for neuro will only grow. I am not over estimating the numbers you can make i am more than positive there has been a time where neuro has gotten 3 bit donos in 1 minute that is true no?

To keep it real. tho an editor is the first person to get it helps the channel grow off youtube you also make money from youtube. its a win win

[prisma tangle]

I wouldn't simply it down to just most tts per minute.
But yes channel certainly has quite the potential tho for now numbers are slowing down

which is indeed why slowly going to more platforms certainly would give a boost

[wide crag]

i mean look at the dev stream yesterday that was the biggest stream since the end of may

[prisma tangle]

9.1k peak

[wide crag]

he had 7929 average viewers and hasnt had that since the 31st of may after the debut

also peak but that goes up with raids

[quick venture]

I suspect thats because there were new games being shown on stream that no one had seen yet, so people who dont care too much about the usual content and just watch the vods later decided to tune in and watch it live

I'm not sure if the mods changed the category accordingly but that too can have an effect, being the fandom of a certain game becomes aware of the stream

[wide crag]

True but in my eyes it was the most entertaining stream since may aswell

[prisma tangle]

it was vedal and with brand new fresh content I think that explains it quite well

[prisma tangle]

Certainly would launch stream to the top of the page

[raven fiber]

This thread is

[prisma tangle]

this thread is

[marble ether]

And i love it

[wide crag]

This goes back to my point people want fresh content and an extra developer would help keep content fresh

[raven fiber]

These things....they take time

[wide crag]

Vedal by himself developed the KTNE and Chess AI. Imagine having two Vedals working at the same time.

[wide crag]

Its been 10 months

[raven fiber]

And?

[wide crag]

the time has come

or is near'

[marble ether]

Holy, imagine this vedal makes ai version of himself. Just kidding

[wide crag]

and gives it the ability to code that would be sick

[jaunty citrus]

hiring is not as easy as just finding another vedal

[jaunty citrus]

10 months ago I did not think this was sustainable

[raven fiber]

[wide crag]

I know, but atleast promise you'll look.

[marble ether]

I guess because of people it worked out

[wide crag]

If you dig your head in the sand like a turtle the channel will go unsustainable

[raven fiber]

Yeah there also aren't exactly many people who work with AI who are familiar with you or neuro

[wide crag]

With the AI boom in the last year i am certain you can find atleast one person who isnt unlikeable

There are so many young people looking to ai as the future

[raven fiber]

You'll understand when you are working on a project you hold very dear to you

[wide crag]

I already kinda understand that

[raven fiber]

I can't speak for him, but I'd imagine vedal likes being the sole developer

[marble ether]

Maybe vedals gotta find not anyone but someone that he can trust with full heart. God im talk as if im talking about a lover

[raven fiber]

On the programming side anyway

[wide crag]

Lets not speculate his emotions on this topic he can answer if he thinks that.

that could be true or it couldn't

[raven fiber]

I mean I did say I can't speak for him

[wide crag]

oh sorry

[raven fiber]

[wide crag]

Still an editor or manager would still be helpful

[raven fiber]

Yes he needs one

[quick venture]

Different idea: We make sure Vedal gets sponsors, and THEN we ask to get hired by him

Make Neuro say something nice about Hello Fresh so we can make Tutel cook on camera

[wide crag]

good idea

[raven fiber]

I vote for @raven fiber to be official editor

[wide crag]

or he hires an engineer to make a robot that neuro can control and cook with

a likely candidate

[prisma tangle]

This stream is sponsored by nord VPN. The VPN that keeps FBI away from your doorstep

[wide crag]

theres also Dense and Neuroville and thousands of clippers to chose from

[quick venture]

DougDoug collab :V

Also we could get Neuro chemically addicted to gamer supps so she can get a waifu cup

[prisma tangle]

Would be amazing

[wide crag]

that one is the most likely

the gamersupps

she could honestly have her own flavor gymbag

[quick venture]

Neuro = Stinky sock flavor
Evil = Candy blood
Vedal = Strangely tastes like soup

[wide crag]

or rum

rum flavored energy

[prisma tangle]

Vedal waifu cup to that

[wide crag]

Femboy or just a turtle?

[raven fiber]

Personally i think tarter is great because he does a lot of different memes and what not which would be great as a lot of streamers editors add there own flair to things, as he does as well.

[prisma tangle]

I like your thinking

Femboy waifu cup would sell like hot buns

[wide crag]

Some of his edits are god tier but the persona he has built on discord shouldnt be on the Neuro-Sama channel

[wide crag]

I know i would buy one

Vedal get on it

[prisma tangle]

Being completely serious, it would actually sell very well while not standing out

[wide crag]

Me too im dead serious i love femboys

it would probably be the second one though the first would just be neuro

Its also not a bad sponsor soooo many Vtubers and streamers have it

Camila, Shylily, Geega

[marble ether]

Im gonna be kicked off this discussion by saying this but || i dont like femboys ||

[wide crag]

purge him

[prisma tangle]

objection: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1154405369431461908

[marble ether]

Lets not get distracted

[wide crag]

What were we talking about again?

[raven fiber]

When do i start?

[wide crag]

Now

[wide crag]

Now please edit this two hour vod

[quick venture]

Two hours, pffff

Wait for the subathon and its 48 hour vods

[wide crag]

true

[raven fiber]

[wide crag]

Seriously the biggest thing the Brand of Neuro-sama is losing out on by not having is youtube videos

Vods are one thing theres a good vod channel called Neuro Archiver who records locally so the music is the same as the original stream

there will always be vod channels

[prisma tangle]

we have clippers that do 10-20 minutes edits so its not completely losing out but an official channel uploads would certainly help even if only a little

[quick venture]

I'd be down to program him an organizer AI of sorts that lets him know what needs to be done at any given time so that he doesnt forget things anymore

"Good morning, Vee-Duhl. You have eight new messages from Filian and one from Anny. Note that you are due for your 37th reminder for the Convention Video. Alex would like to remind you 'Where is Among us, Vedal, you scrapped it havent you'. Would you like me to add something to you calendar?"

[wide crag]

But they are scattered getting fractions of the views a main channel vid would get

[wide crag]

he probably already has

i would not be suprised

[prisma tangle]

true but at least they spread neuro bits that may attract people to twitch

[wide crag]

true

[marble ether]

The ai assistants dont work

[prisma tangle]

he would mute and forget about it anyway

[marble ether]

Its more hassle then help

[wide crag]

You would have to give it access to your entire PC and accounts

Okay other than an editor or dev i am out of ideas

[quick venture]

I was thinking more of a voice activated Organizer with a face than an AI managing stuff, really- AI would hallucinate and tell Vedal that he has a Manscaped Ad to make when he really doesnt

The only reason they havent contacted him for sponsorship is because turtles dont have hair

[wide crag]

Do you have a Partner Manager, Vedal?

He probably won't see this.

[echo hornet]

the ai wouldn't understand his accent

[wide crag]

Sometimes i cant undertand it. I also think it more cause he mumbles

[proud solstice]

this thread is just another proof that vedal is, in fact, yandere dev.
look at the image below, this is what yandev responded to people suggesting hiring a secretary

[quick venture]

No risk, no reward

[marble ether]

Lets be more positive about this

[quick venture]

Either you trust people or you need to do everything yourself

[prisma tangle]

No frickin way

[shell fulcrum]

[spiral sentinel]

If vedal finds the need to hire extra people, he will, if he says he’s fine for now than I’ll believe him

[marble ether]

I hope this thread was productive

[primal cliff]

I hope not because that would mean he was pressured to make financial decisions he may have not been comfortable with.

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