It's hard to follow along and understand Neuro's reponses on chill streams.

[tawny maple]

Here are some ideas on how to alleviate that.

Have the chat message she's responding to be displayed on stream/highlighted since she doesn't always read it out.

Or

Have the message she responds to be tts. It's currently only for bits and 15k channel points. I'd imagine that most people are paying points/bits moreso for the guaranteed response rather than the exclusivity of TTS.

When she answers, I have no clue what question or message she was answering to. If I'm not mistaken, many others share the same experience. I spent 5 minutes scanning the livestream chat/ stream chat before I realized how convoluted doing that was just to figure out who she's responding to.

[astral oxide]

See #1147264750317735998

90% anything Neuro says is already a response to TTS, there is absolutely no need for extra stuff showing and playing on stream all the time

[merry pine]

I said the same thing but people prefer to be confused.

[tawny maple]

It doesn't have to be tts. It was less of a problem when she would repeat back the message. I'm just not enjoying the chill stream atm because her responses and the stream seem so disjointed without any context to her responses.

[inland patrol]

🤔

[astral oxide]

Firstly, the majority of the viewers are audio only, so having more visual clutter on the screen for a small minority of viewers doesn't seem to be a good decision.
Secondly, I personally, don't see the issue, just having chat on the side is enough. In what way are you prevented from enjoying the stream?

I'd say the disjointed responses are more due to the nature of the messages Neuro is responding to and gaining context will not be particularly helpful

[silk shoal]

i agree i think we should be able to see or hear what neuro is responding to

[frail root]

One of the reasons why i havent been tuning into chill streams as much. And even if I do like rn. I miss a lot of context and start heaving a headache after some time

[somber inlet]

If people insist just put a small little arrow pointing towards the comment she’s reading in the chat

I kind of feel like people can an abuse this tho since it would be easier to time your comment I think

[merry pine]

"Firstly, the majority of the viewers are audio only"
"just having chat on the side is enough."

That's kinda contradictory...And OP already said they had to spend 5 minutes searching which was too complex.

"In what way are you prevented from enjoying the stream?"
OP said "When she answers, I have no clue what question or message she was answering to."

[astral oxide]

enough for me, what's contradictory about that.

Yeah, and how exactly is that preventing one from enjoying the stream?

[merry pine]

Yeah. I'm not sure why people were begging for chill streams when it's in the current state it's in besides nostalgia.

[scenic epoch]

I think she used to repeat the messages before replying to them, like "What is my favorite food? I like ice cream, it's so good!", but I think she stopped once TTS became more common and she started collabing.

It would be really nice if she repeated the messages like that again when just reading from chat or something, because I definitely agree that without context a lot of what she says isn't making sense

[astral oxide]

It seems like a pain to program the pipeline from the twitch bot that gets the messages to the LLM so that LLM can pick a particular message and stay on it for the duration of the response and have it be shown on screen with JChat, Vedal said that making badges show on ELO stream was a pain

[merry pine]

Because in a stream that is only Neuro responding to messages, and people want to know what she is talking about.
People enjoy having context.

If you enjoy just listening to Neuro and don't care what she's saying then fair enough. But I'm not here for an ASMR stream

[astral oxide]

Then it's a problem that Neuro either can repeat the message she responds to but then you would get TTS getting read 2 times.
I am pretty sure that's exacly the reason she was made to not repeat the message anymore

[scenic epoch]

I think differentiating between when she's reading from chat or getting TTS should be pretty simple, though that depends on how Vedal programmed it

[merry pine]

You said this last time.
You do understand she can be set up differently for those two things, right?

[astral oxide]

Lol
No, it's really not that simple

[merry pine]

Nice of you to call me a child then edit your message so that only I would be the one to see it.
But in case you haven't realised, I've been in this server for longer than you. So I think I have a slightly better idea of how Neuro works then you do.

[silk shoal]

no i think its pretty simple

[scenic epoch]

Vedal said she's programmed to differentiate people by voice, I imagine that telling the difference between TTS and a regular chat message to be much simpler

[astral oxide]

It's not that serious, and is a joking quote from vedal

[merry pine]

If you're wondering his original message was
"Lol
Lil bro thinks he understands LLM."

[astral oxide]

There's a difference that the LLM itself has to adjust its way of responses rather than just responding to different input. I guess you can always hardcode it though

[somber inlet]

I honestly think chill streams are outdated

[silk shoal]

if the input is from twitch chat he just needs to add the input to the start of the output before sending it to tts its really simple if im not stupid

[scenic epoch]

That's fair, I hadn't considered that. I do think something needs to be done though, even if it's as plain as showing what it is she's replying to on screen

[frail root]

Dont bother arguing with that guy. Tbh it feels like he just wants to be toxic and or look like he knows stuff he most likely knows nothing about.

[astral oxide]

It is that simple, yes. It's just that

[astral oxide]

That's just rude, you know

[scenic epoch]

While I agree that most other types of streams would be better, I think chill streams as backup in cases where things aren't working out is better than the alternative of no stream

[frail root]

If something is outdated you can renovate it. I think that is a good idea for chill streams.

[somber inlet]

Fair point, maybe the text can appear on stream without her reading it? Kind of like how she breaks during the news stream but without the tts

Like add a little sound effect for the text maybe? Like a VN?

[feral harbor]

She can read more than one message at a time to generate responses, it's pretty clear when she's saying hello or goodbye to multiple people. It is difficult to follow what question or comment in chat she is responding to, but I'm not sure if there's an easy way to provide context that would actually pinpoint the source most related to the response.

[merry pine]

Didn't the ELO stream do that though?
Apparently the ELO given or taken away was chosen by Neuro herself.

[frail root]

It was clearer when she read the things she answered to. So whatever he used for that he could reimplement but slightly different.

[feral harbor]

Yes, and multiple people could get points each time they were awarded

[silk shoal]

Vedal is typing

[maiden ingot]

apologies, she usually reads the question she's answering I will need to fix that

[inland patrol]

I mean didn't you try to fix that ages ago (several times even)?

[merry pine]

that was donowalls I think, it's different from reading non-tts messages

[inland patrol]

I know he's been trying to fix the donowalls, but there's also talk about how he would rather Neuro read the questions, but she usually didn't. Honestly, I rarely had much problem getting the context anyway.

[tepid briar]

People complained how Neuro was repeating questions asked to her orally during collabs (the DnD one, that happened a lot) and Vedal said he'll fix that, that must have impacted the reading from chat in some way I think

[fickle kayak]

She should be awrare of when a question she's responding to was read aloud (by TTS/a collab partner) or just in chat.

[karmic mulch]

so i guess 2 modes. 1 for responding to chat alone and 1 for when responding to person/tts.

[merry pine]

everyone is in favor for it now

[astral oxide]

In favour of Neuro repeating the question when it's not TTS.
A somewhat important distinction that you omit as if to paint people against it as if they were against people getting context in general.

If it is very simple, then of course, go for it, no one was against that.
One can however raise a question, if it was simple to fix, why has this been a thing for many months until now

[merry pine]

We literally asked for exactly what Vedal said and you still got mad.
And even now you're still denying it by saying Vedal can't do it.

I don't know if you're being purposefully malicious or not but you really seem to have a problem with wanting to improve Neuro and to be completely honest I don't think you've ever been in this discussion for good faith.
I don't like to make a habit of announcing when I block people but I'd rather not continue to feed you attention if you only want to be combative with everyone.