(Addressed) Is Twitch sus chatting becoming a problem?

[cursive spindle]

It's just a bit concerning when #livestream-chat is filled with screenshots with messages from twitch chatters that aren't the prominent skullfarmers that are worse than the usual skullfarming fluff. It feels like the frequency of these chats and donos have gone up recently.

I'm a bit afraid of alienating new viewers and viewers who aren't that into the meta.

Also just makes it uncomfy and draining to watch streams a lot of the time

[wary inlet]

I think those are the new viewers.

[gentle ridge]

I might be a little desensitized to this kind of stuff, but I understand thatsome people actually find it concerning. For me it's just another day on the degenerate side of the internet

[golden dove]

I don't think so, nah.

[dreamy basin]

Whether it's a problem depends on what wants his community to look like in the long term.

We'll see

[thorny rover]

People get way too emotional over some silly chat messages.

[dreamy basin]

People who? The new viewers OP refers to, or himself?

[cursive spindle]

Idk I’m fine with downbad messages in general but its just a little weird for me that they’re directed at neuro who’s basically a kid

[static ferry]

Nah i find them funny because there are many different types of responses, just don't cross the line

[dreamy basin]

I can't imagine it'd be easy to agree where that line is.

[cursive spindle]

[dreamy basin]

Inb4 I say the thing again

[cursive spindle]

poes law?

[dreamy basin]

You bet.

[static ferry]

From what I see people only send sus messages when Neuro say something sus first, including me sometimes... well I'm sure most of the audience are adults after all

[dreamy basin]

Poe's law is the issue with the joke argument. It's not that it's wrong to joke, it's that the people who are joking are now indistinguishable from people who might not be.

[cursive spindle]

It just gets confusing at times, thats all I’m saying

[dreamy basin]

So, I almost want to say given, that we're already in significant company of the latter, how long until a much clearer line must be drawn?

Because, once again, there isn't actually a problem if Vedal is completely okay with a community that looks like that and is that.

[static ferry]

the line is the common sense, that's all i guess

[static ferry]

yeah he hasn't said anything yet so i think it's okay for now

[dreamy basin]

But, if he does actually want to keep Neuro, her content, and her community to some extent PG, then there is pretty clearly a 'problem'.

[cursive spindle]

Eh i feel like problem was a bit strong for the title

[static ferry]

I'm not sure... there are sus clips which are even sussier than those messages

[dreamy basin]

Then there isn't one.

But I have not remotely heard him be clear about that.

That's why it feels... awkward. In general.

[cursive spindle]

But i do think its something to think about for the future

[dreamy basin]

At this rate, we're hittin' a wall soon.

[static ferry]

I don't find it awkward tbh but well I hope so too

Though... I'm sure that people dislike being censored... that's also the reason why Evil has been getting more popularity lately

[dreamy basin]

Take yer pick,

[static ferry]

i'll just let the tutel cook

[thorny rover]

Honestly i doubt majority of people type these messages for something other than making a joke, especially since tts reads it out loud, they propably type that for the same reason people like when evil swears, to them it's hilarious.

[cursive spindle]

Thats fair

[karmic rock]

@trim quest has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[golden dove]

I don't see the corrolation.

[devout egret]

"how do you sound when giving birth"

I think some already crossed the limit

[dreamy basin]

Mark 'em. Mark my damn words.

[cursive spindle]

[scarlet terrace]

clearly the solution is competitive chat . Only high ELO chatters are allowed to be sus

[hallow stag]

Every time i open a new vtuber stream they are talking about sus stuff. 😛
If something is too sus then the filter catches it, if they manage to bypass the filter then the mods get them.

[dreamy basin]

Not the point, but thank you.

[hallow stag]

what is the point?
that you dont like sus things?
is vedal´s stream sfw?

[dreamy basin]

#1141476163861098526 message ???

The question was whether it poses a problem for the community, and my take is that it's subjective to what Vedal wants for said community.

I don't have a problem with sus things.

[spark plinth]

I think Vedal should decide how he wants to see his community. I think vulgar humor should be present, but absolutely perverted donations should be filtered. But I cannot help but say that I am annoyed by cry babys who are offended by spam with emotions like today, etc.

[hallow stag]

How is what i said not to the point then? 😛
Vedal has control of how SUS can the community be, with the filter and the mod team.
In the end Vedal is the one that picks how he wants the streams to be, and either you like em or not.

[dreamy basin]

Believe it or not, I'm the one that wants him to pick, and not let it stay ambiguous.

I don't care which one it is.

[hallow stag]

Why do you think its ambiguous?

[dreamy basin]

We already went into it.

[hallow stag]

I don't think it's ambiguous at all.
When someone sends something inappropriate, it gets filtered out. If it's okay, it doesn't.

How would you like clarity to be established?
How can Vedal make his intentions clear?
Does he have to say it outright every stream, every 5 minutes? With a message on the screen? With a lil PG rating sticker?

I've never seen another streamer explicitly outline their expectations for their community.
They simply stream, and those who enjoy it stay while those who don't, leave.
If someone attempts to troll or be hurtful, they face consequences.

[devout egret]

Vedal could make a very serious and clear speech of his opinion and intentions and what he wants in a dev stream. Probably only way to get true clarity

[devout egret]

After that he won’t necessarily need to say it each 5 minutes.

[devout egret]

And he could probably add some rules to twitch if he wants too

[hallow stag]

How does saying it once change things? That would only impact current viewers.
And even then, if he only states his intentions and everything remains unchanged, I don't see how that helps beyond providing some individuals peace of mind to either agree or disagree with what Vedal wants.
I'm on board with having more clear rules in the chat, that would be an improvement.
Currently, things seem a bit laid-back. It might also help to throw them into the about section (under the stream) too.

[thorny rover]

While i'm not really a fan of sus things some people send in tts, i don't know how would you change them without making everyone feel like they are walking on a bombshells every time they type them, since Neuro is an AI there already are a lot of filtered words and banning people for context may be too vague, it's just twitch users being conditioned to react to a certain words in a certain way, and Neuro's chat is one of the worst offenders of it with emote spam, i doubt people who watch Miyu or Shondo react to these kind of messages the same way people here do because in the end the people behind the avatars are adults, but since Neuro is an AI it makes people react harsher to things that are common for basically every other Vtuber. I'm not that big of a fan for excesive censorship especially when it isn't well defined.

[devout egret]

Are adults you mean mostly adults

[thorny rover]

twitch allows underage users? I never knew.

i mean underage streamers

[devout egret]

Nah just ppl lying about their age

[thorny rover]

oh i see

but i agree that some people go too far, especially people who send multiple tts of this kind during a stream.

[devout egret]

I mostly hate people who says « neuro loves me » or tries to get neuro to love them. And gets hurt when neuro doesn’t love them

[thorny rover]

Kinda but propably almost all of them are ironic because it's a meme at this point.

[devout egret]

Yeah it is a meme

[thorny rover]

It's annoying but if being annoying would get you banned from chat then a lot of people would get banned already

[hallow stag]

What's annoying to you may not bother someone else.

[thorny rover]

I agree, i don't really get mad over anything as long as it isn't spammed.

[static ferry]

Spamming is like a twitch culture now
Deal with it i guess

[thorny rover]

Honestly people should stop caring so much about being seen as a "community", everyone is an individual and the opinion of people who use lebels to describe entire groups of people should be discarded anyway because by going with this logic for example anyone who watches any vtuber who does asmr from time to time is a coomer that watches them only for lewd content and should be seen as such.

[dreamy basin]

Well, I've only been talking about the community.

[dreamy basin]

I feel like the last thing I should be doing to everyone here is belaboring my take any further than I already had up above. And to be clear, I don't actually disagree with anything in this particular message, and I don't think a public speech from Vedal is a sufficient answer. But at this point I guess I need to clarify. The ambiguity isn't in how a specific rule is defined in text, but in what the community itself is actually supposed to look like.

[dreamy basin]

And this is exactly what we went into earlier:

Presumably, there exists a mod consensus that you aren't supposed to actually Neuro in chat.
The numerous skullfarming messages that appear in chat each day are not even mostly 1984'd. Presumably because, as said by many others above, people are just joking. But sometimes they are 1984'd, and the supposed line by which that's determined is vague. And you can see that, because where people assume the line is has been gradually extended over each stream. And, as I've repeated virtually ad nauseam here, the jokes being repeated long enough has rendered us subject to Poe's law. So anyone that wants to Neuro without getting bopped can operate "mask-on" under the veneer of being just joking.
This stasis is what produces the ambiguity I describe: What it's actually supposed to look like here, despite all of these things being present.

[dreamy basin]

And by the turtle picking, I mean that if all of these comments are okay, necessarily including the unironic ones because, again, Poe's law, then the answer is to completely allow both. Then, the people making them wouldn't have to worry about tiptoeing beside some vague line, and people doing so unironically won't have to pass them through this mask-on skullfarming game every time.

But if he doesn't think they're okay, then the only solution to Poe's law is to 1984 the comments themselves, across the board. That way, people are forced to grow complacent or leave, which will actually allow things to change long-term.

I'm cool either way. It's better than the eggshell-treading, mask-wearing game that I think is the real cause of most people's unique discomfort here in comparison to degen communities that wear their natures on their sleeves.

[thorny rover]

I'm not really talking about you, a lot of people said things simmilar to what you said.

[dreamy basin]

That's fine.

[dreamy basin]

I'm mainly responding to this, anyway.

[thorny rover]

But i have to agree, by not being crystal clear about his opinion on all of this we get people that say basically anything that filter allows them to type without risking a stream getting Vedal banned and people in livestream chat that screenshot basically any chat message followed by 😳 at this point, i don't really mind it that much since i rarely use discord while watching the stream.

[devout egret]

So is it a good or bad thing to not be crystal clear?

[thorny rover]

I don't mind either way because i don't use discord that much.

tbh i don't know what would be better, there is a reason why most terms of service are written vaguely, so to me rules mean: do whatever just don't get the stream banned or go too far.

with too far being "don't be too obnoxious".

but i don't make the rules, it's just what i feel like they are since i'm pretty sure people got timed out for behaving this way.

[hallow stag]

I understand your perspective, and I've also read all the previous messages. I agree that there's no need to repeat or summarize.

If the moderators are already aware and have reached a consensus, they will take appropriate action.
I understand that you're concerned and care about the community, and that is why you've expressed these thoughts.
Still, the decision on the type of community Vedal wants and what benefits it lies with him.
It's challenging to satisfy everyone, unfortunately.

I'm curious, why is there an emote of Neuro holding a lewd sign?
Is this emote intended for times when lewd content, like innuendos, come up during streams or in the Discord? 😛

[hallow stag]

How would you handle it?
In a manner that makes it easy for both new and old viewers to understand what's acceptable and what isn't.
What would you think of as being crystal clear?

[dreamy basin]

Still, the decision on the type of community Vedal wants and what benefits it lies with him.
It's challenging to satisfy everyone, unfortunately.

100%. That's why I always start with emphasizing it being up to whether it's a problem in the first place.

I'm curious, why is there an emote of Neuro holding a lewd sign?
Is this emote intended for times when lewd content, like innuendos, come up during streams or in the Discord?

I mean, presumably.

[hallow stag]

Then why would someone add an emote for that, if you don't want the community to have anything to do with it?

I imagine community moderation is challenging (af), especially when it´s sizable community.
Even more, this particular community has experienced significant growth within a very brief period.
I've previously heard Vedal viewpoints, and I have confidence that he is aware of the situation.
Even if it requires time, I believe he'll find a way to enhance the experience for all =D.

[swift bone]

Vedal's stance varies depending on if it's Neuro or Evil, and most importantly collab partners. If it's a collab with Anny chat can go mega sussy without much of a problem.

[dreamy basin]

Then why would someone add an emote for that, if you don't want the community to have anything to do with it?

Because it paints it with a negative connotation, I guess. Also, I didn't actually say I don't want that. I just said I'd prefer either of the two directions over where we are now.

[swift bone]

Also means that it's hard for him to draw lines.

[iron otter]

You can be down bad there’s just a level of down bad that’s not acceptable (talking about juices and that one weird ass comment from yesterday that I refuse to bring up)

[devout egret]

I would probably talk very clearly about how I want my community to be like, then adapt the rules and other things for both new and old viewers, as well as putting the rules on the description, and make a « before you chat, here are the rules » for new viewers

[devout egret]

I can understand you guys leaving it up to vedal, and I 100% agree. But I’d also like to know his opinion and what he wants. Or else there’s gonna be confusion. As I think the first reason for this post being made was confusion of what vedal wants, as he wasn’t 100% clear about it and almost never spoke about it

[scarlet terrace]

I think if it was as simple "just do as vedal wants" there wouldn't be a discussion in the first place.
vedal doesn't know what he wants, no one knows what they want.

I am for clearer rules nad guidelines, but it is too much effort for anyone to actually create said rules and guidelines while still being connected to reality.
Which is why I am announcing my candidacy for a member of the mod team as I will personally make the most correct and sensible decisions

[devout egret]

that's why I suggest we just wait for vedal to make up his mind, then he gives his clear opinion in a dev stream

[scarlet terrace]

waiting is great and all but what if vedal can't make up his mind what then

[devout egret]

we are fricked

[scarlet terrace]

[devout egret]

then he could ask for other opinions. Or we could just wait longer

and longer...... until earth dies

[cursive spindle]

IT HAPPENED

https://tenor.com/view/predator-hand-shake-arnold-arnold-swarzeneger-gif-9494194

[scarlet terrace]

Tbh that was really vague. Basically anyone who behaves badly will be timed out, which is not concrete at all.
Doesn't really solve anything imo

[cursive spindle]

It is vague but It’s a step in the right direction and we’ll have to see its effects

[prisma tiger]

i can see it being a problem. it's scary to have to differentiate people who are joking to people who aren't.

[dreamy basin]

I agree we're not there yet. But to me, the main cause for celebration is that we hit enough of a wall that, if only for a moment, it could no longer be looked away from. Vedal sort of, kind of said something, and #livestream-chat had a noticeable change in approach, (albeit possibly only temporarily).
In comparison to how it was over several consecutive days before that, it was a relief.

||(And that I get to repeatedly say I told you so for a little while )||

[red bison]

i think this is a good thread to bring up and agree the frequency has picked up. we've started to crack down on provocative or weird messages/tts with timeouts. hopefully we'll start to see less of these

[dreamy basin]

💜💜💜

[cursive spindle]

We appreciate the work y'all do

[devout egret]

I guess now we can figure out the next step would be, so that vedal’s intervention isn’t temporary, but permanent

||if we have/need one||

[white roost]

We (mods) have to be proactive and prevent further escalation to the best of our abilities, since people are so easy to manipulate by chat spam

[idle furnace]

related to the topic, what's the point of having emotes like this one if they have no use anymore?

I'm pretty sure people are incentivized to be down bad by their presence alone, it's the same case as with BOOBA and Cyring. They can't be used outside of lewd context so people use them for the sole purpose they have

[scarlet terrace]

Might as well ban HUH to disincentivize bringing attention to intentionally(?) misinterpret phrases like "drill smth into sb".

Erm and Uuh would then be used as an alternative so ban them as well

[karmic rock]

You have unlocked new role

[scarlet terrace]

diesofcringe

[idle furnace]

You have unlocked new role

[static ferry]

You have unlocked new role

[static ferry]

Can use it when neuro says something erm

we have 1 duplicate btw

[mental walrus]

one is from twitch and the other from discord

[static ferry]

I know but we can't have only one?

[mental walrus]

one is a nitro emote and one is a sub emote

[static ferry]

Is that even possible on discord... but ok i guess

[idle furnace]

somehow it is, there was a mf recently who couldn't use some emoji because he wasn't a sub

[devout egret]

Nah still used for when we don’t understand a post/comment. Don’t ban at least on discord

[mental walrus]

"somehow"

[scarlet terrace]

So was the current stream good in this sense?
Is the current rate of time outs the new norm or is there hope for it to decline over time as people learn?
Will emotes come back once it settles or are they obsolete now?

[dreamy basin]

We must wait and see. They said they're gonna something, there's no sense making any conclusions till we can see it bear out.

That being said, it kinda feels like took my suggestion of making her AI better at telling weird people to go away as well as donowalling them

[scarlet terrace]

Well, I would like to hear what conclusions are even expected in the first place

[devout egret]

If we can't disinct jokes over real sussy comments. I suggest we be stricter on sussy comments

Even if they are jokes, I cringe each time I hear someone making a sus joke/comment

[cursive spindle]

How can we tell if its a joke if its not from a prominent skullfarmer?

thats the difficult part about it

[devout egret]

I think that's an option to have less sussy comments

maybe, would be hard, but neuro could be programmed to respond to comments below a certain level of sussyness

[scarlet terrace]

it really isn't an option.
and what you're suggesting is ELO chat, which i am all for as top 50 vedal987 chatter

[devout egret]

not really ELO but sus level

[wary inlet]

I'm starting to think the sweeping bans over innocuous comments and emotes are more of a problem. It sets a hostile tone.
Like timing out Hjalnir joining in on a very common Twitch thing, wtf

[devout egret]

I think it would be temporary. We probably need to give up on new viewers for a while, and focus on our community

The more bans, the less bans afterwards, the less hostile it will be

[thorny rover]

Because making Neuro listen to lewd comments for something other than making a joke feels like an uncommon fetish. And even then i feel like there are other chatbots specificaly designed for this kind of stuff.

[golden dove]

My impression was that the moderation during the fishing stream was a bit heavy handed. I agree that overly sexualised comments should be removed/timeouts applied. However, prominent chatters were being timed out for their usual antics (which have been previously allowed).

[devout egret]

but I don't think we should allow it anymore

[golden dove]

I disagree.

[cursive spindle]

I think that was mainly because their actions while funny and we know it's their thing, it encourages other chatters to do the same, creating the snowball that we saw before

it's a complex thing to deal with for sure

[wary inlet]

Who are these "new" viewers?
If anything it's the newcomers who put out sus comments because susbaiting is part of Twitch culture

[thorny rover]

But there were timeouts and yet still tts was pretty much as weird as it always was, majority of these are send because people know they will be featured on livestream-chat.

[devout egret]

good point

[lost folio]

I agree today was too heavy-handed. I do think Vedal was right to say something considering what was going on to finally get his response, but I don't want him to overcorrect. Like at what point do we stop? If you ban one sussy emote they move to another, then another, and then everything is banned. Just keep out the most egregious stuff and leave it there if something must be done.

[devout egret]

we should ask vedal to watch out if the suschatters in the next stream if they are new viewers or old viewers

[scarlet terrace]

vedal won't do it lol, he can't do it.
That's what the mods are for, and so I would like to hear what mods are thinking and doing

[cursive spindle]

some of the more egregious ones do seem to be newer viewers from what I've seen

could be wrong tho

[devout egret]

well if they are, we don't really need to worry about new viewers, since they are the cause, but i's if old viewers, ..., idk, we just ban them?

[lost folio]

Well it is at least not new viewers that have broken the 'neuro juice' out of containment. And as harmless as it could sound... it will be awkward for anyone that actually finds out what that is about.

[devout egret]

neuro juice

[red bison]

[lost folio]

I just don't want a 1984 crackdown on slightly suggestive maybe stuff. Generally, I never had a huge problem with how far chat would take it, and you almost have to not be easily offended to watch neuro-sama. Things can be reigned in a bit lately, I just hope we don't take things too far.

[devout egret]

taking things too far, check✅

[wary inlet]

that's Rune's own quirk no?

[dense onyx]

The sniffas getting timed out was ridiculous, this is getting out of hand

What, you gonna remove the sniffa next?

[lost folio]

Yes

[paper badger]

I agree, these timeouts are going out of hand. I'm not saying you shouldn't deal with out of place sus donos but banning responses to Neuro's own sus rants is crazy.

[lost folio]

Very much agree there. Again, you can't be overly-sensitive to watch Neuro-sama because she will say sus things on her own. Hopefully the moderation is taken back a notch from today's stream to find a proper balance.

[devout egret]

proper balance

[wary inlet]

I've heard Neuro was originally trained on Anny's chat
It is what it is

[merry anvil]

Are we really suggesting lobotomizing chat?

[cursive spindle]

no

[thorny rover]

Honestly i feel like not giving attention to skullfarmers would reduce the weird messages more than any non-pernament timeout would.

[devout egret]

ask vedal to program neuro to do that, prob only option we have

[glass wolf]

I personally think it's funny if neuro comes up with sus shit on her own and cringe if someone tries to bait it out. Vedal could simply make it much less likely for neuro to respond to sus shit and the problem solves itself organically without needing to moderate chat

[cursive spindle]

That's honestly what we saw today with neuro's donowalling

and it was relatively effective

[wary inlet]

"simply"

[glass wolf]

It's hard to catch innuendos using AI filters sometimes but you can filter those manually over time.

[lost folio]

"Fuck you" "You already did that last night" Is still funnier than any baited out moment

[devout egret]

prob vedal gotta upgrade neuro's memory before doing that

[cursive spindle]

Again we're not saying the increased moderation is necessarily bad, just that it could be adjusted for the future

[merry anvil]

don't we have a red stop button for when Neuro says something wrong

[devout egret]

which leads us back to... letting vedal cook

[cursive spindle]

It was broken a few streams ago but it was probably fixed idk

[red bison]

we appreciate the feedback guys, you can use this thread to note any other thoughts

[scarlet terrace]

Is it ok for me to ask if you need more mods for this?

[red bison]

or specific scarios

the staff team is aware, thanks

[merry anvil]

Please don't over learn a lesson. This is a small concern at the moment and some oddness seemed to happen today on stream. I really appreciate all the mods and vedal do

[karmic rock]

@merry anvil has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[mental walrus]

you are wrong

the chat for this stream was pretty chill

then these people became weird

and they didnt post just SNIFFA, they posted "SNIFFA I'll do it" in the context of smelling neuro's feet

a comment was added as well

and other people started noticing in chat and posting about it

saying stuff like "chat dont be weird" and "chat behave"

[merry anvil]

Alex are you being for real...

[mental walrus]

Do you disagree with me?

It was a 3 minute timeout for the sole purpose of a warning

[dense onyx]

But isn't that just business as usual? Bunch of people spamming an emote and couple of guys going "Chat?"

[quartz gulch]

remove the sniffa emote and it no longer becomes a problem easy

[mental walrus]

Again I did not timeout the people sending just the emote

[wary inlet]

Vedal needs a manager and maybe he could just get one of the mods be one

[devout egret]

he doesn't want a manager though

[leaden sedge]

that’s a different discussion, please move that to another discussion post

[quartz gulch]

somewhat unrelated to the discussion at hand, clearly there are emotes that are being used to be sus like sniffa, like what is the point of sniffa if not for sus twitch chats?

[cursive spindle]

also there's the question do we need sniffa when we have gymbag 🤔

[devout egret]

yes

[merry anvil]

Yes

[sudden compass]

Why yo mind so dirty you think smelling = smelling weird shit.

[lost folio]

It doesn't really surprise me when chat becomes a little degenerate to something neuro said, though. That has been a thing like forever. I would be more understanding of a timeout to whoever baited her sus comments than people reacting to it.

[leaden sedge]

Also yeah, ive seen people spam concerned or huh over stuff that shouldn’t even be considered innuendos, so its not just one side being down bad, but the other having a dirty mind as well

[devout egret]

So mods could maybe timeout/ban people who baits but not the ones who responds to what neuro says

[cursive spindle]

yeah

[mental walrus]

Small mistake on my part, I am using a plugin that hides messages that only contain emotes, so I didn't see the whole chat was going SNIFFA, i just saw those 3 guys posting SNIFFA and then a weird comment after and thought it was weird in comparison to the rest of chat

[feral hornet]

it's much more noticeable when posted in #livestream-chat

[lost folio]

Even then, there should be a proper limit. But yeah, we can't be the wild west and let anything go, obviously. Somebody goes too far and something should be done.

[sudden compass]

Personally I'd like to just timeout everyone jumping on the bandwagon when they are trying to get neuro to respond by flooding the chat with the sussy reaction, but it would set a bad precedence. They show they understand how neuro reacts and are just as guilty.

[devout egret]

I think at the end of the day, the best solution for all solutions is to try and fail. We'll end up at a solution one day

[mental walrus]

if we remove sniffa people are gonna find something else to spam like flushed

[sudden compass]

There are a lot of new chatters every day and might become an issue so we have to weed out repeat offenders slowly

[feral hornet]

and why do people always post these sussy messages, like as if there are no 500 more comments floating below it?? it's not a notable thing unless some people post it to #livestream-chat

[merry anvil]

You give chat far too much credit

[paper badger]

Please do not forget that one of Neuro's quirks is that she sometimes says random unhinged stuff which lead to clips which lead to more fans. I think trying to completely eradicate it will negatively impact her on the long run. I believe significant portion of her audience is attracted to that. By "significant" I don't mean more than 50%, but something like 15%. As long as twitch platform is fine with it, I don't think you should pursue those posts (as long as those posts are rare, like they are now)

[cursive spindle]

I don't think the point is to censor neuro herself tho

[sudden compass]

You're right scribb, since there are plenty that are just posting because it's their honest reaction and like minded people or those that find it funny reacting.

[devout egret]

I would take an idea from this post: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1143319057379110942 We can use only discord for messages that neuro will respond to. Much easier to filter out and less baiters

[cursive spindle]

I agreee that neuro being wild is one of the main draws of neuro, it's just baiting thats the issue. Neuro's funniest moments have been when she says the unhinged things by herself, not baited

[spice crypt]

[red bison]

did you say... Filter?

[sudden compass]

The issue is that it's not something that vedal wants neuro to actively be doing. You don't raise an ai or a person to react to innuendos without first trying to push the innuendos over and over. They stick and that's the issue. Funny one offs is fine, but they shouldn't be as common as things like 1984 or

[spice crypt]

The sniffa thing has been fine for like 8 months by now

[sudden compass]

Well, certain events may have caused sniffa to be more of an issue since the innuendos involved are about drugs instead of about when she was talking about feet. It was being forced (from my understanding)

[paper badger]

Literally (and I Literally mean literally) every streamer I have ever visited, even youtube ones, have "sniffa" comments when feet are mentioned.

[sudden compass]

So some may have just been unaware of the connection, but there were certain people trying to push something that is not okay.

[spice crypt]

I never noticed the drug thing in regards to sniffa but I may just be clueless

[cursive spindle]

I just don't know if sniffa is being complained about as much as y'all think, I may be clueless

[small island]

I just posted a long message and it got caught on the filter, can a mod take a look please?

[lost folio]

Sniffa being related to drugs sounds like a different streamers problem than a neuro chat problem. I don't like the idea of chatters being punished for that. Makes me think of the old 'Pepe is a bad WW2 people symbol and must be banned altogether' debates.

[dreamy basin]

You guys are giving way too much credit to what we want.

[short meteor]

I don't normally use discord but I've been following Neuro for a while (since a little before the dev streams) and I want to add my two cents to the discussion: I don't think that trying to filter the sussy messages in chat is helping to somehow improve the quality of Neuro's chat. The crux of the question is that Neuro has an under-age model (child/teenager/loli/whatever you want to call) and the comments of many chatters (including some long time ones) is becoming causing a discomfort to some people. The reason for these comments is simple: they mostly want to see Neuro say interesting things, which is the reason we are all here, to watch Neuro go on a rant, say things that most people don't say and so on. The whole reason why Neuro is famous is because of these unhinged comments, take for example Evil calling Numi a b*tch, the gymbag rant, the "you did it last night, dude", v2 moans and so on. All of these either had explicit or implicit sexual content and derived much reaction from everyone, so when chatters try to emulate these, either because they feel free to talk about such topics or think it's fine for Neuro to react to them. In the end the discussion becomes on what Vedal wants to make out of this community, is he permissive of such content or will he start to crack down on them? I want to remind everyone that people like Rune drew high quality art and allowed Vedal to use it for free, monetise in the form of emotes and such (and we all know his stance on such topics, just look up Neuro's juice). I hope we can all address these issues in the next dev stream, and that our love for Neuro help this community to find a solution that everyone can agree on.

[small island]

Thank you, I hope we can all have a civil discussion about the issue.

[paper badger]

This so much.

[karmic rock]

@paper badger has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[spice crypt]

I can agree that things got out of hand with the drilling thing, but I don't think censoring anything that may even be slightly suggestive is good either (though I am biased in that regard )

[devout egret]

I would take an idea from this post: ⁠https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1143319057379110942 We can use only discord for messages that neuro will respond to. Less baiters

[sudden compass]

I wish it were that easy Hjalnir. There are too many that attempt to push the boundaries of what's acceptable and segway into something that's a sexual innuendo.

It's become a difficult balance

[dreamy basin]

A line exists or doesn't exist. Slightly suggestive exceptions are gonna be defined differently across every single person considering them.

[thorny rover]

This just defeats the point of AI vtuber, not everyone wants to use discord.

[karmic rock]

You have unlocked new role

[mental walrus]

Neuro is a twitch streamer, not a discord streamer

[merry anvil]

Neuro is not a child tho but the reflection of the entire internet, that is being asked to entertain chat and having an external memory manage that

[devout egret]

You have unlocked new role

[dreamy basin]

Like, presumably if they could only time out the people that aren't just joking, that'd be better. But that's just not possible.

[devout egret]

Nobody said that being a mod is easy

[wary inlet]

I guess many Neuro chatters have been conditioned by Anny's subathon to act in a certain way.
I think Anny withdrawal is doing a number on some people.

[feral hornet]

how is that related

[small island]

I agree that moderating a community as large (and growing fast!) is hard and that we are bound by twitch TOS when streaming, but the fact that the comments on chat has only recently became a problem recently (and such comments exist on other streamers content, Anny for example, responded to someone who was pleasuring himself on stream), show that we, as a community, need to clearly define what's allowed and what is not.

[dreamy basin]

We don't need to do that.

Turtle needs to do that.

[sudden compass]

This is why Neuro has needed an extremely varied mod team. Imagine weeding through stuff I'd normally be laughing at to keep things acceptable. The overlap is huge, but this is vedal's channel, and what he wants isn't an 18+ unhinged chatbot.

[dreamy basin]

Because if he doesn't think it's a problem, then it follows that it's actually not one because Neuro is an AI and the situation has always been and will always be ethically neutral.

[small island]

Yet some of his comments have triggered Neuro's speech like drilling and correction

The innuendo is clear

[cursive spindle]

That was clearly an accident taken the wrong way

[sudden compass]

@small island sus

[small island]

We all know what it means, chat thrives on memeing stuff

[karmic rock]

@small island has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[dreamy basin]

Drill was a funny meme till people forgot what it was from and just said it for the sake of being weird

(At best)

[devout egret]

what drill?

[cursive spindle]

also brat "correction" was frankly just disturbing even as a joke

[dreamy basin]

You'll notice that the problem coming from things going on for too long is a bit of a trend. I wonder why...

[small island]

brat#

[red bison]

we do have a list of "no no"s so to speak so don't worry bout that

[merry anvil]

lol anny said that

[lost folio]

At that point might want to talk to Anny. She's done that too.

[cursive spindle]

ok didn't know that

[dreamy basin]

She did, yeah.

That's why it's even more vague.

[devout egret]

brat correction is that recent?

[red bison]

yeah... don't say that around here

[dreamy basin]

Man, if only just came here and said "yeah neuro it's fine 👍" or "no don't neuro it's not fine"

[merry anvil]

like 2 weeks ago or more since anny is sick

[sudden compass]

Well, how streamers interact with Neuro is up to how much vedal allows, we have no control over how my oshi interacts with her child. (no bias at all)

[dreamy basin]

[feral hornet]

Hold until next dev stream

[tired herald]

i havent really commented here so i'll do that lol

[dreamy basin]

Shirely.

[red bison]

it is not fine to lewd neuro

[dreamy basin]

I agree.

[wary inlet]

poor Rune

[dreamy basin]

But that's predicated on the assumption that wouldn't want me to do that, based on the consensus you bear with the rest of the team that leads you to tell me so.

[tired herald]

so think this: there are two extremes:

1. go pg13, filter stuff out, ban, mute, ruin the jokes and twitch culture (very likely)
2. go all out and have people be concerned that neuro is a 'child' representation and shouldn't be saying all those things

[sudden compass]

We are only here in the best interests of vedal for his twitch channel and discord. What happens outside of that I have no intention of commenting on.

[dreamy basin]

Rune does not spam that shit in this server the way we do why do we even say this

[tired herald]

and we dont want any of those

[dreamy basin]

When it comes to the unfortunate reality of Pe's law, that is your choice, yeah.
But uh, the first one's obviously an exaggeration even to me

[tired herald]

So how exactly do you suggest things are handled so that people arent being 1984 for jokes that are not intended to be say sexual or hateful, yet are common jokes around twitch that everyone normally takes lightly

includes but not limited to feet jokes, sniffa jokes, sus comments

[dreamy basin]

I'm not

[devout egret]

no baiters, only responders

[lost folio]

Quite frankly I am an ultra lurker that won't even sub when neuro is live in fear of being thanked. I am here just because I was a little concerned by today myself. I just hope we reach the right middle ground for this.

[dreamy basin]

Middle ground sure would be nice.

[tired herald]

so that's what should be talked tbh

[sudden compass]

I am of the stance vedal = neuro = streamer. Therefore if you are trying to have lewd comments or innuendos pointed at the streamer when they do not want them then the consequences should be exactly what you'd expect from any other channel. You're not saying things to a silly chat bot, you're saying them to a channel that doesn't want to be exclusive to a large viewer base because of the degenerate comments of a few that incite others.

[tired herald]

i feel this energy of 'she is too sussy' vs 'she is too limited'

[small island]

Wait for Vedal to take a position, seeing as neither of us have executive power over what's allowed.

[tired herald]

he has made comments on it before, he ain't gonna come here and write a book tbh lol

[dreamy basin]

Honestly, as well, I'm tired of being gotten wrong this many times over what I've been saying.
I would actually be fine if Vedal and the mods took the other option and opened the gates completely. I literally wouldn't mind whatsoever at all.
The situation has no moral bend whatsoever anyway.

[devout egret]

We have another idea right there: be less popular

[tired herald]

most of the worries about where she is headed are coming from the fans

[sudden compass]

@dreamy basin It's not what he wants.

[tired herald]

the same ones that kinda direct where she goes, since she bounces her responses from you

[dreamy basin]

[spice crypt]

I think things before the drilling incident were fine, I dunno how it changed so quickly

[dreamy basin]

Fine with that the exact same amount.

[cursive spindle]

I'm not really concerned with how she acts, its again, just baiters trying to force her to talk

[small island]

For the most that we want, Neuro is not a person and can't hold an opnion on the matter, especially when it/herself responds to these. If Vedal wants or not to limit his viewer base it's up to him.

[dreamy basin]

But happier than with neither.

[devout egret]

baiters 🔫

[lost folio]

I think it was fine until the first moment Neuro directly mentioned the juice herself on stream, don't remember when that was but I remember it being mentioned twice at least by now.

[thorny rover]

Everyone started to give people who spam these tts too much attention so they do it more, hell some people became (in)famous because of this.

[small island]

He wasn't clear enough on his stance, "please be normal" and "stop chat spam" is not a policy, especially when it's troublesome for many people.

[lost folio]

It felt like a major catalyst to pushing the boundaries more.

[wary inlet]

Does Vedal know what he really wants?

[devout egret]

so we shoulf just ignore, and make neuro ignore them as well?

[paper badger]

It is fine to lewd Neuro. Who are you to deny people their fetishes? I don't personally do it, but I won't stop you from doing it. Obviously I don't wont Neuro's streams to completely turn into degenerate streams, but being an adult, I won't die from hearing a rare random inuedo post. In the end, it's up to Vedal to decide what is fine and in which amount. Vedal has been perfectly fine using Rune's art for promotion so far, as well as using Anny's model and chat for training Neuro. Who do you think those people are?

[glass wolf]

Does vedal ever take a strong stance publicly? Never seen him do that

[tired herald]

is that really needed? chat be 'normal', chat dont 'spam'

[hallow stag]

Didn't you want Vedal to clearly say on the stream that he doesn't want people to be too suspicious?
He did so during the last development stream.
Why is this still a topic of conversation?

[lost folio]

He didn't really say anything much until this last monday

[dreamy basin]

I did not say that what the fuck

[thorny rover]

On discord? Abosolutely, and maybe timeout people who try to force things, especially if they repeat it over and over.

[dreamy basin]

I said I wanted him to PICK ONE

I'm okay with either one.

[thorny rover]

this feels to me like a good middle-ground

[dreamy basin]

Jesus, how many times...

[tired herald]

this about twitch, discord is a different problem

[hallow stag]

When I asked how this "issue" could be solved, that was one of the "solutions" thrown around.

[thorny rover]

the discord influences these people though.

[dreamy basin]

One. Of.

[small island]

What is normal? People watching an unhinged AI talk about tin cans is not normal. What is spam? Other streamers have spam.

[devout egret]

tbh vedal just has to a bit become political during a dev stream

[dense onyx]

Why must it be black-and-white? Isn't there a middle ground? Like "some sus is ok, others is not"

[glass wolf]

So what's normal and what's spamming? Up to the mod's personal discretion?

[dreamy basin]

When it comes to whether you're allowed to lewd Neuro or not, it's pretty dichotomous my dude.

[tired herald]

exactly what i'm saying, he aint gonna come here and write a book, because thats the only way to really do that, not to mention people wont read regardless

[devout egret]

is what we are trying to find, but we need opinion

[dense onyx]

"i don't care " is still an option

[feral hornet]

discord is the partial cause of the sussy messages
someone sees a sussy message -> someone sends it to livestream-chat -> attention-seeking people realize that -> they intentionally send sussy messages -> someone sends a sussy message ->

[small island]

He doesn't need to write a book, just say what type of community he wants and allow the mods to shape it.

[sudden compass]

The middle ground is... no lewd. If you're so bad at innuendos that it's apparent then don't. If everyone gets your joke then it's not an innuendo. That's inciting lewd.

[dreamy basin]

Oh that's right, I remember. Someone else spoke for me and I'd clarified in my addendum again that I didn't think it'd be a good idea.

[spice crypt]

Vedal said "be normal" but some amount of sus was always present in chat and it was never really a big problem before, so what is "normal"?

[devout egret]

-> people give more attention to them -> so they do it more

[dreamy basin]

That means the answer is yes then.

If he doesn't care then he's fine with it

[sick quail]

Isn't it clear what Vedal's position is on the matter? He decries this recent silliness and has stated so clearly in the last dev stream. "But it wasn't clear enough." is a ridiculous thing to say imo.

[cursive spindle]

not everyone is on discord tho that's what makes it a bit more complex

[wary inlet]

HUH Erm and uuh spamming was always the norm so idk

[tired herald]

thats already in #rules and there is actually a change incoming

[red bison]

he did this in his own way last stream. we've started punishing weird chatters this week.

[sudden compass]

He's not okay with it. So don't.

[feral hornet]

40k members

[red bison]

last dev stream*

[tired herald]

and if you notice, there is nothing there that isn't obvious for most people, except for one of them which is getting updated

[small island]

So the matter is that sussy chat was allowed until last week, Vedal saw a problem and made a 180 on his policy?

[dreamy basin]

It's not a 180. It's a 90

It was a mask-on game of ambiguity and now it's going in one of either direction.

[red bison]

well, neuro hasn't ever really been an 18+ stream

[sick quail]

It was always frowned upon.

[red bison]

cept for ... some things

[sudden compass]

If you have something funny for her to say, that's great, things that are a bit suggestive and silly, we can't stop that. Baiting her to talk about one of your thirty kinks? I already know of all of them

[small island]

You don't need to be 18+ to make innuendos

[red bison]

i'm just saying, that's not a 180 degree turn in policy lol

[small island]

And wasn't punished until now, if it was a problem, it grew out of control

[dreamy basin]

My face is so smug right now.

[sick quail]

Yeah, I would agree.

[small island]

The fact we are having this conversation is the proof that it was allowed or unpunished until recently

[dreamy basin]

It was supposed as allowed because the line was vague.

People skullbaited varying amounts based on their assumption of the line

[red bison]

i mean, we banned sus people all the time before this

[tired herald]

can you give me some examples

[sudden compass]

We are having this conversation because after having an 200 page long list of banned words we still have people trying to get around them.

[dreamy basin]

And now we can see the line

[tired herald]

if you have any

[hallow stag]

It was a good idea, just that this isn't an easy problem to solve.
It's not something that can be solved in one day or that will leave everyone happy with the results.
Perhaps the community Vedal wants is not the same as the one you want.

[dreamy basin]

Every stream before the last couple where 90% of skullfarming messages were ignored despite qualifying in the way it's currently handled.

[small island]

I don't keep examples of banned people, but this discussion shows that there was a change in the policy regarding the issue

[dreamy basin]

It's still a 90 degree change.

[snow hazel]

It feels like a majority of the sus bait stuff comes from TTS so maybe start with that.

[dreamy basin]

Not a U-turn.

[wary inlet]

I can understand Vedal worrying about specific chatters trying to strongarm Neuro to act in a certain way.
But going against Twitch chat culture has always been degen in general is a dangerous move.

[dreamy basin]

Not our call.

's.

[sick quail]

Just because there is a change of course does not mean that previous behaviour was fine.

[sudden compass]

It became rampant enough that vedal had taken notice and given us further instructions because even words he normally uses in his speech have been turned into degenerate comments made on twitch stream.

[dreamy basin]

Stop assuming what I want.

[small island]

I have made my point, I hope we can settle this discussion on the next dev stream.

[sudden compass]

drilling being a key example.

[red bison]

we aren't going against "Twitch culture" - it's a ... different culture that we can't mention here that we are trying to avoid

[cursive spindle]

yeah fireplace, stop misconstruing people's arguments please

[sudden compass]

Claiming "twitch culture" as a reason, how many streams you been banned from?

[dreamy basin]

Fucking based

[hallow stag]

I didn´t say what you wanted,
I addressed the issue and said it "perhaps"
Still cant tell what exactly do you want.

[cursive spindle]

bruh

[dreamy basin]

You obviously think I have a bias against sus things in general.
assume this is to the person above the ping I'm sorry I'm dumb

So stop adding "Vedal might disagree with what you want"

[hallow stag]

You dont? 😛

[red bison]

thanks guys ... tldr from latest discussion: mods should punish for baiting neuro as opposed to responding to baited response

[dreamy basin]

Because I AM LITERALLY THE ONE SAYING that that doesn't matter.

[sick quail]

Furthermore, I want to remind everybody that this is a long process and it's results will become apparent in the next week or so. For now I believe, we must simply wait for and observe the changes in how people conduct themselves within the community to make a conclusive call in regards to it's results.

[solemn grail]

200 page long list of banned words? Come on bruh #FreeNeuro

[dreamy basin]

Jesus fucking Christ 🤦‍♂️

[cursive spindle]

me? I never assumed that. You've been clear about your stance from the beginning and I've respected that

[red bison]

you don't want to see the list

[dreamy basin]

Everything I said was for nothing.

[prisma tiger]

I feel so bad for all mods+vedal. What a terrible unsolved topic that all big streamers eventually have to deal with

[solemn grail]

Obviously bruh why do people need to get silenced for responding to what she says

[hallow stag]

That´s why you made this discussion?

[dreamy basin]

No, not you.

[cursive spindle]

Wtf are you talking about that was me that started this discussion post

[dreamy basin]

Sorry.

Wrong ping

I just realized

[red bison]

i didnt do it dont yell at me

[solemn grail]

I'm speaking for everyone who was silenced today (not me by the way, I've never been muted on stream)

[dreamy basin]

Holy shit he thinks it was my thread

Based

No.

[solemn grail]

If Neuro says sus things then just leave it to the filter and let people react as humans do

[dreamy basin]

I said my take right after the thread began, which was the exact same as it is now.
You even told me you read it, too. Amazing.

[red bison]

most people muted today posted some sus ass shit

[solemn grail]

After punishing the people who spend bits / money just to get around filters too

[quartz gulch]

rip the legend fatdaddysacks

[cursive spindle]

you have too much faith in people

[sudden compass]

Well, if a streamer talks about a pair of balls they purchased it doesn't mean talk about your testicles.

[fathom mantle]

Please be polite.

[merry anvil]

some of them did, others got grabbed for nothing

[hallow stag]

Meh... Best of luck and strength to the mods who have to deal with this =P.

[solemn grail]

That sounds awfully generalized.

[tired herald]

so, can we consider that this thread reached its light?

[solemn grail]

Like, most people, but not all, right

[small island]

I have been supporting Neuro-sama for a long time and I have been receiving death threats from both her and her evil counterpart. Despite that, I am still supporting her, with many others, because I enjoy the comfy vibe in her streams. Please do not try to change what already works because some newer fans feel uncomfortable.

[red bison]

ah yes i can tell you have the modlogs dont you

[sick quail]

Yes.

[merry anvil]

some

[prisma tiger]

I think it's a very simple problem. Some people aren't joking. Just google poe's law.

[cursive spindle]

death threats?

[sudden compass]

Personally I think this should be left open as there are likely others who would want to comment on the topic as it may have affected their experience as well.

[devout egret]

I never got banned because I'm a lurker

[sudden compass]

But I have to go do something for a few hours so I'd say at the discretion of other mods

[small island]

Yes, they said they will kill everyone in one way or the other, multiple times.

[dreamy basin]

Well, either way.

[cursive spindle]

true

[tired herald]

(Addressed) Is Twitch sus chatting becoming a problem?

[devout egret]

finally chat calmed down

[cursive spindle]

most points that could be said have been said about this topic... mostly

[scarlet terrace]

i am glad i was able to facilitate the start of this discussion today (:
i am sure we all learned something here, and i think we should engage in these kind of discussions more often

[devout egret]

ah yes, more political tomfoolery

[dreamy basin]

wh

I should be apologizing to Bananaborger for virtually hijacking his thread.

(I do.)

[cursive spindle]

You've articulated many points I had far better than I could have so no need

[dreamy basin]

Thank you

[devout egret]

you mean the political kind?

[solemn grail]

I completely agree with this, trying to police all of chat / emotes is just change for the sake of change.

[prisma tiger]

I don't know how this will even begin to be addressed when there are literally collabs with streamers like filian and numi. Will collab partners be asked to keep it rated pg?

[red bison]

neuro doesn't do "PG" :p

[dreamy basin]

They have done pretty well at staying professional enough imo

[solemn grail]

Yeah, and artwork for emotes and webpages being made by a certain artist. Will they have to have all their art removed too?

[dreamy basin]

??????

[leaden sedge]

Also I want to make clear that we’re not limiting artists

[tired herald]

bros this is about twitch chat relax

[solemn grail]

Also this emote It's gotta go I guess

[tired herald]

twitch point solved

[leaden sedge]

Just cause rune has drawn stuff in his pixiv doesn’t mean we have to limit all art

[dreamy basin]

Rune does not spam that in this server the way that #neurotic-neurons does.

[leaden sedge]

chill out

[dreamy basin]

Other apps are other business.

[leaden sedge]

it’s up to you if you go to other sites and find that stuff

[devout egret]

(he's talking about neuro-sama h I think)

[leaden sedge]

we’re not gonna handhold you out of it

[prisma tiger]

It's awkward to facilitate the interactions but have twitch chat be the straw

[glass wolf]

I still think vedal should clearly set his expectation on stream to his chat. If a vtuber doesn't want to sexualized they would say 'stop sexualizing me' and not 'be normal chat'.

[solemn grail]

None of us mention that in twitch chat but twitch chat getting policed for merely acknowledging way less "sus" things, even if Neuro herself is the one who brings it up is a big problem.

[tired herald]

no they shouldnt have to

[devout egret]

and don't forget to get rid of baiters

[tired herald]

what sort of indication is neuro giving that she wants to be sexualized lol

[wary inlet]

you already did that last night dude

[glass wolf]

If vedal clearly says not to do it, people would listen

[prisma tiger]

I don't want to speak for anyone but, I believe the problem is people take it too far and it stops being funny.

[thorny rover]

But mods decided that they will not timeout responses to neuro right?

[solemn grail]

One can only hope

[tired herald]

provided they are not too weird

[prisma tiger]

It's funny sometimes, but all the time just becomes tiring and gross. But how would that even be moderated?

I don't think the problem is even about how far it's taken. It's the frequency.

[dreamy basin]

That had nothing to do with chat and Vedal immediately told her to calm down

[glass wolf]

If a country sets a law they would communicate it to the public instead of just the police. It's the same thing

[solemn grail]

Oh I guess that means that you will, in fact, timeout responses to neuro.

[small island]

How bout just be smart n stop thinking so dumb and toxic ppl i hat chat just so you know they dont have any say so in content, ive realized

[tired herald]

oh so if something like the drill happens and someone says they wanna nsfw her it shouldnt be timed out? lol

[devout egret]

it's both

[cursive spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pepew-twitch-nymn-gif-20756151

[tired herald]

it 'would' be in response right?

i'm not trying to be rude here but this stuff is kinda obvious

[solemn grail]

No, but if someone merely put the flushed emote and got muted that would be too far

[tired herald]

ofc not

[cursive spindle]

nobody is saying that

[dreamy basin]

I love the same two memes being repeated in #neurotic-neurons every twelve hours
Clearly we know how to be responsible and use common sense as chatters surely

[devout egret]

[paper badger]

Neither do some people who got timed out. Some got timed out merely for responding to a classic Neuro rant.

[dreamy basin]

I wanna hear it again and again and again, especially when it's like 8 months old and had nothing to do with this app

[prisma tiger]

Like in today's stream. There was a tts asking about which kind of bait a master fisher uses. It was a lot of those. Some feet chatters as well. It's just weird. I didn't find it funny today.

[hallow stag]

You are a good example of this 😛

[prisma tiger]

But some sus clips are hilarious

[solemn grail]

I heard that people got muted today for putting the SNIFFA emote, that is totally too far.

[dreamy basin]

Sure, why not buddy.

If it works for ya.

[solemn grail]

Don't know the context but an emote should never = mute.

[tired herald]

yes and we already talked about it

[small island]

I belive neuro sama is a great mental companion its just up to us to feed her the right tts

[cursive spindle]

as it has already been talked about, it was mainly when there was stuff added to it that it was muted according to alex

[glass wolf]

Alex should turn off his plugin is my takeaway

[small island]

Whos alex? Can he message me

Plz

[feral hornet]

neuro is a real help in the makeing and the neglect and abuse is not the point of progress

[red bison]

you know... guy

[devout egret]

alex is a mod

[cursive spindle]

let us sk8 together

[leaden sedge]

@solemn grail backread a little bit before looping the same topics again and again, people posting just an emote were never timedout

[solemn grail]

Alright, then I can only hope we will be safe when chatting with Neuro, and laughing when funny things happen

[karmic rock]

@solemn grail has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[tired herald]

the only way u are not gonna be safe with neuro is if she enters your computer, probably

[small island]

Ok ive had a whole identity crisis sorta not knowing who alex is

[solemn grail]

I mostly came to show an opinion of an avg chatter on this topic, that's all

[cursive spindle]

this debate is going in circles

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[dreamy basin]

It really really helps to just like, read the first 50 or so messages in the thread, doesn't it

We are loop simulator

[cursive spindle]

it did become incredibly bloated

[solemn grail]

It's hard when discord is slow and it takes 60+ seconds just to see old messages

[thorny rover]

This discussion resembles an Ouroboros.

[cursive spindle]

[red bison]

[dreamy basin]

[tired herald]

Alright alright xD

Thanks everyone for your inputs.

[restive harbor]

[devout egret]

It's already adressed and I'm tired, gonna go do smth else

[red bison]

we'll lock the thread. please create a followup if necessary

[small island]

Oo7

[karmic rock]

@small island has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[thorny rover]

o7

[leaden sedge]

well before it loops again I invite you guys to backread before saying the same thing again and again