Setup Neuro-memes as a forum like art

[slim aspen]

People clearly want to discuss the memes and the currently existing channels don't offer that opportunity. Currently, talking in neuro-memes is not good for understandable reasons as it would clutter the channel and make finding memes difficult. However, that will become a problem later on no matter what. As more memes will get posted the more difficult it is going to be to find them.

Therefore my suggestion: Neuro-memes as a forum.

[late turtle]

understandable cause I guess you want to find by name? cause they can't be filtered by old memes just by date of most recent and activeness

but they can still talk in the current #neuro-memes just you know keep the talk to a minimum

or talk about it in #neurotic-neurons since they're neuro memes it falls within being on topic of that channel

[dark geode]

hmm

[tall wadi]

great insight

[dark geode]

hmm

i can see some pros and some cons to the idea

[unreal bear]

i think thats a good idea. this way i can look at a meme i liked whenever i want without searching for it for 5 mins by scrolling up and down and not finding it cuz the preview just looks the same

[normal shard]

Maybe disable chatting and only allow memes. Or would that hinder reactions?

[dark geode]

we still want to have the power to talk in memes, i think

[late turtle]

the pros is that you can talk in the forum post as long as you want

[dark geode]

yeaa

[normal shard]

A forum would be amazing, but I doubt it would be pleasant in making or moderating.

[slim aspen]

I suppose you are right regarding the talking and discussing of memes. I guess my main worry would more so regard posterity's sake. But you and the rest of the wonderful moderators be the judge of that.

[last bay]

i like the idea a lot!

[dark geode]

would if it was a art-like forum, have tags for the memes like neurocord memes and neuro memes or just have them all togther?

[last bay]

tbh im not here for non-neuro memes

[tall wadi]

downside to this idea: forum ui is ugly

[slim aspen]

The only advantage I could see to having different tags is in regards to this: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1136784787483402280

[late turtle]

yeah no, non neuro memes wont come back in any form

[last bay]

maybe neuro, evil, vedal, family tags?

or something similar

video tag?

[late turtle]

except for them being occasionally posted in genchat

[tall wadi]

non neuro memes in forum would flood it immediately lol bad idea

[dark geode]

yeah i never said to have non neuro memes i was just asking if it would have a filter on it to find types of neuro memes

[normal shard]

How do you move the memes from its channel to forums?

[last bay]

the good part is you dont

[dark geode]

hm?

[floral garnet]

allow threads in #neuro-memes instead of forums?

[tall wadi]

that's the neat part you dont

[unreal bear]

let the others move it themselfs

[last bay]

not a bad idea actually

[tall wadi]

it's like #fan-art moving to #1095941852068331560

[late turtle]

I don't think it would be an issue if the conversation is still made within topic

the stay on topic rule will still apply to the forum

[dark geode]

mhm

[slim aspen]

Yeah, normal memes should be left out. But if Vedal were to consider showing off some of the memes on stream, a differentiation of neurocord memes and pure neuromemes coud be handy. The wider audience probably is not interested in neurocord memes.

[dark geode]

😭

they hate us

but yeah thats what i was wondering if we would have filters for memes

[late turtle]

I see

neurocord and neuro memes tag

[last bay]

:crimonThink:

[dark geode]

but yeah personally im fine with whatever as long as its still just neuro memes and stuff

[late turtle]

well it's something to get used to it like art forums (and if you still didn't get used to it im sorry it's just that we can't have arts buried since we appreciate all fanart made)

[daring cradle]

Im against a forum, i find the forum function cumbersome
Plus i dont think the amount of chats warrent the change, its really only been one or two comments anything more can be moved to neuratic neurons

[dark geode]

how so?

[last bay]

im a fan of the forum UI, but not as much on mobile

that said using discord on mobile in general is an experience lol

[tall wadi]

trying to search for a post on forum never works

it's buggy af for me

[slim aspen]

But in regards to posterity it is definitely an advantage, no?

[late turtle]

I see, it always works for me so yeah i didn't think other people had bug problems

[dark geode]

yeah it also works for me, i guess its dif for some people

[glass pumice]

mentioned internally, add image,gif,video,text tag as secondary tagging

[dark geode]

oo

i like that

[tall wadi]

searching a word, then scrolling down just removes my search terms for some reason

[floral garnet]

maybe can also increase #neuro-memes cooldown...

[dark geode]

would that help tho?

[floral garnet]

idk

[slim aspen]

I suppose it would also depend on the titles that users will formulate. It is not of much use if the titles of some memes are "I don't know what to put here". Which already is a problem with art to an extend.

[late turtle]

true

[glass pumice]

which is why tags are better than a normal channel

[dark geode]

[glass pumice]

you will still have to find it but a lot easier lol

[dark geode]

i like the tags idea

like, neurocord, neuro, image, gif, video, text, ect

[tall wadi]

i am permanently stuck with having to scroll manually either way

[late turtle]

what if someone forgets to put a second tag?

[glass pumice]

neurocord and neuro being main tags

[dark geode]

can you not edit after?

[tall wadi]

mute them for 2 years

[glass pumice]

mute foeva

[late turtle]

I mean current problem in fanart for example is that people put neuro art in wips and forget the wip tag

[glass pumice]

xdx

[slim aspen]

Is there a way to remind people about tags before they post something?

[dark geode]

at best the top of the channel disc

[glass pumice]

they have to select at least 1

[floral garnet]

timeout

[late turtle]

a pinned post like in #1095941852068331560 but people dont read it anyways

[dark geode]

didn't read all of dat

[normal shard]

Same.

[last bay]

set up a bot just to manage neuro memes

[late turtle]

also there's no channel description in forums

[dark geode]

how would that work???

[glass pumice]

time to make a neuro-sama server guide

[last bay]

are there bots for managing forums though?

[dark geode]

oh i see i didn't know, forums are a new thing to me

[tall wadi]

i just read the art channel pin i've used 2 tags at once before 💀

[late turtle]

only guidelines that's the checkmark and pinned posts (only 1)

[dark geode]

[late turtle]

which bot does that?

of the ones we have

cause adding another bot is just

[dark geode]

so, like a pinned post in the memes forum to tell users is i guess is the best we can do?

[late turtle]

oh I read that wrong thought u said that there are

I haven't seen a bot that manages a forum myself

[turbid carbon]

(keep in mind, our own bot could be augmented to fit our needs)

[dark geode]

how so?

[glass pumice]

so could it do what we would need?

req/limit 1 main tag 1 secondary tag

[dark geode]

hmm if it could do that it would be good

[hidden solar]

idk when Art changed to a forum style type it was rough for a while, there's no need to make neuro memes that serious to the point it needs a forum which for sure will kill some interactions

[glass pumice]

cus i believe there could be an ui issue >..<

[slim aspen]

Would the main tags be neuro-memes and neurocord-memes? And the other the format?

[dark geode]

would it though since art has been a forum for a while so people could be use to it by now?

[glass pumice]

yeah

[hidden solar]

thats also a possibility

[tall wadi]

i kind of joined neuro cord when art forum started so no comment

everytime i lurk in there i still see amazing art i've never seen before

[slim aspen]

Memes, and as silly it is going to sound, are an important part of internet interactions anywhere. They certainly deserve the attention imo.

[late turtle]

keep in mind that you can stick to following posts so some posts don't get forgotten if you liked them, effectively cluttering your channel list (like mybraza)

[dark geode]

yeah true

i had to unfavorite the art channel since i had to scroll down for the gymbag general

[tall wadi]

average art enjoyer

[slim aspen]

This is a perfect example of the problem with titles. I can see like 3 posts with "title" as their name and one with "title" 3 times

[dark geode]

the favorite feature does kinda deal with it tho, since you can favortie the talking channels and have the forums and art below so you can scroll through it

[tall wadi]

all of them are eenightlamp

[dark geode]

makes sense

[dark geode]

one of my ones called title is you

but hmm how would the naming work, since memes are pretty straight foward in what they are

so it should be easier to give titles

[slim aspen]

I don't think we can force people to put a descriptive title for their memes. This is why tags could be useful.

[tall wadi]

i named it title because every other ones with fox ears neuro was named title

[dark geode]

yeah im happy with the tags idea how they are

[slim aspen]

Anyhow, my suggestion will probably be brought before the moderator council now. We will have to see and wait.

[dark geode]

well if it does get turned into a forum ima have to get use to using it i've only ever used a forum twice

[glass pumice]

5head

[tall wadi]

i was just following trends

[dark geode]

copy paste

[tall wadi]

eenightlamp's thing was his own doing

[dark geode]

[late turtle]

mmm oh also we'd probably have to drag it down below #swarm cause of its cluttering nature

so it won't be close to #neurotic-neurons anymore

I do not like this change myself but it's necessary to have order

[dark geode]

what about the favorite feature where you can move your own channels to the top?

[late turtle]

I don't use that, too clunky

well it's not like i have a choice i gotta moderate all server

[dark geode]

yeah i guess

[late turtle]

but i dont use it either way on other servers

looks kinda disorganized

[tacit anvil]

Same
And I think with memes it would be even worse for me

But I still think that the urge to comment on memes is turning #neuro-memes into a chat sometimes, which ruins the flow when you just want to consume the funny, so I am on board with that idea

[dark geode]

yeah i don't like comments in memes at most 1-2 but forums would let people talk about the memes which i still wanna keep

[dark geode]

i like it because it lets me access all the channels i talk in instantly without scrolling

[tacit anvil]

Doesn't seem like a problem to me

[late turtle]

wdym u want to keep it below #neurotic-neurons ?

[tacit anvil]

I mean, if it becomes a forum, it could go lower, right above #1095941852068331560 would be perfect

[dark geode]

i don't like it being moved but again it has to move if it becomes a forum

[late turtle]

I see

[slim aspen]

People can easily de-clutter by simply collapsing categories. Moreover, you can right-click them and mark every single channel in them as read. You can also de-follow posts by right-clicking them. Discord offers the tools. It depends on the user.

[late turtle]

but mybraza won't let them go

they'll keep cluttering

[dark geode]

true

[tacit anvil]

I just like to keep up with updates 👉 👈

[dark geode]

uh huh

[tacit anvil]

Not my fault we have so many incredible artists on the server

[dark geode]

surely can't just save the art with the artists name as the file name

[tacit anvil]

Well as I see it, pros are:

• Eliminates the problem of cluttering the #neuro-memes with text messages, no need to remind everyone to keep converstions to minimum
• Thumbnail format makes it easy to parse
• Tags would enable filtering out neuro-cord memes from neuro-related memes
• Enables discussions related to a certain meme

Cons:

• Might clutter the navigation section for some people (me) (but I can live with that)
• Might require moderation for proper use of tags (also some lazy people might spam posts with "title" in the title)
• Forums sometimes become buggy when you try to scroll too far too fast

[dark geode]

i see,

[normal shard]

I come back and see this.

[dark geode]

well it is a hot topic so its gonna be discussed fast

[turbid carbon]

[tacit anvil]

Well, we care about memes a lot, can't be helped

[dark geode]

surely its not just us

[tacit anvil]

The amount of reactions in #neuro-memes makes me hopeful that we are not the only ones who enjoy the memes

[turbid carbon]

i like the forum idea, will have to figure out the tagging system
dunno where it should go though, i feel like it's more pleasing to have both forums at the bottom of the list there, though i would personally like to see it below #1095941852068331560

[late turtle]

why below art

[turbid carbon]

because i personally value artwork people post more than memes, but not in the sense that they're high quality versus low quality—both are really good mediums of expression

[dark geode]

[late turtle]

[dark geode]

im fine with it being below art

[tacit anvil]

Depends on which one would be used by more people. And I think memes is the more casual medium, so imo it would attract more people

[turbid carbon]

the inverse implies art is more of a competitive medium
i hadn't considered the casual medium approach though, perhaps you're right

[dark geode]

[turbid carbon]

(in the end it probably makes no practical difference; what posts people decide to reply to/follow are up to them)

[dark geode]

yea

[late turtle]

time to cook

[dark geode]

good luck

[floral garnet]

[slim aspen]

I believe I just foresaw another "problem". It is in regards to the quality of memes.

Take this as an example #neuro-memes message (nothing against the user)
This is a relatively "low effort" meme and very temporal as well. It is funny nonetheless but probably fits the whole forum like style not that well. Maybe users should be encouraged to only post memes that are contrary to the aforementioned traits.

Is this even possible to enforce? Am I wrong about this supposed "problem"?
I mean, I don't want to "gate-keep" memes of course. That could hurt the community. Nonetheless, it might be negative for user experience. Just putting some thoughts out loud.

[tacit anvil]

So, what I was going to say is, I don't think that would be a problem. I tried typing out a longread explaining why, but I don't have the energy to properly structure my argument

[dark geode]

yeah, i think its fine

[slim aspen]

@late turtle I am aware it might be a bit odd to inquire about this months later, but I suppose the proposal got rejected?

[late turtle]

I just pushed it back so much that idk if people want it now

[slim aspen]

Oh well. While I think the idea was supported by the community at large, it was of little significance. Makes sense that any desire for it fizzled out. Even I forgot about it. The labour necessary for implementation might not be worth it either.

[late turtle]

I mean I could do it now but it’d require for the people that post there either to repost their memes there (this was the original plan) when it was semi new or just start over and archive that channel

[slim aspen]

Whatever you and the other moderators decide on.

[unborn rivet]

[uneven spear]

This has now happened as most know, say hi to #1194088101627297924

[kindred sage]

[dreamy verge]

hate it

[next hound]

One guyed

[dreamy verge]

nukes are en route to your locations

[uneven spear]

Desi would be proud.

[radiant lintel]

Ngl I like it more than the old one

[native plank]

the change to meme forum is good meme by itself

[onyx stratus]

meme of the year if anything

[uneven spear]

That is meme material if I have seen it.

[native plank]

don't forget to tag it as a neurocord meme

[dreamy verge]

all so complicated now

[late turtle]

I mean I asked for input in #neurotic-neurons several times but I got severely

[onyx stratus]

it was off topic so chatters were following the rules

[dreamy verge]

damn it should've looked more often in nn

[late turtle]

neuro memes is offtopic?

[onyx stratus]

no but asking for rules for the forum is

technically correct, the best kind

I'm being facetious

[late turtle]

oh right, but i was talking about the time this post was created

it's been 5 months

[onyx stratus]

the 5 month donowall
on a serious note, is there any sort of announcement happening or post somewhere directing people to the new location for memes?

[late turtle]

is it not clear enough?

i mean having 2 forum like channels appear in that section wouldn't draw too much attention?

[dreamy verge]

if I could turn back time and send missiles to desiderius's home so as to stop him from sending this message... I'd do it

[dreamy verge]

should be clear enough

most likely

[onyx stratus]

As someone who works in tech support, I have zero faith in people being able to find things that should be "clear enough"

[late turtle]

will think of something later on then

[onyx stratus]

for now if anything just assume you're right and people will figure it out.. but if shown otherwise then I suppose just point them somewhere else.

[strong valve]

i gotchu