A different way to rename evil

[marsh mural]

Right now, we have "neuro-sama" and "evil neuro-sama", which has lead to a lot of people wanting to rename evil and give her her own name. there's also the people who dont want her to be renamed, and for her continue to be "evil neuro" and for us to just call her evil.

i personally think she should continue to be called "evil", as giving her a new name feels less natural as the name evil kinda came by accident, and evil is already an established name for her in the community.

the thing is, her being "evil neuro" confuses people, ive seen both filian and numi call her just "neuro" with no difference to normal neuro on stream. also, her being evil neuro kinda just makes her a subset of neuro, so you end up thinking of neuro as "normal neuro" or "original neuro" when both of them are in context

so my suggestion would be to give her independence without giving her a new name. if we take out the "neuro" from evil's name we get "evil-sama" and "neuro-sama" (aka Neuro Vedal Samanta and Evil Vedal Samantha if we're going that route lol). This disconnects her from the name "neuro" but keeps her as "evil"

[idle furnace]

People already call her "Evil" (including me), so we can always add "Sama" to it if we want to, or "Chan" like she told us during one of her stream.

[marsh mural]

ye, my suggestion is to mainly make it official that she is evil and not evil neuro

basically

[visual radish]

nevil

[fathom gazelle]

evilyn

[alpine mica]

"Evil" as a name already works.
If we were to put a honorific, "Evil-chan" would make the most sense.

1. Evil said so herself she prefers that.
2. It's a unique dichotomy between her and Neuro. "Chan" often is used for someone cute, while "Sama" is used for someone who commands respect and could be intimidating.

Technically, "chan" matches Neuro more while "Sama" matches Evil more but the fact that its actually the opposite is perfect and genius.

[marsh mural]

yea i had that "switched honorifics" thought when chan was mentioned too lmao

as long as we let evil be her own person (she is an independent woman), im fine with either

but i do like that idea

[outer trellis]

Personally, I don't think Evil sound like a name at all, it does for us because we had the time to assimilate but for most collab partners it's just neuro with different colors. If the idea is to make Evil it's own character it would help to give her a name that could be understood like one by anyone (like a stranger that don't know anything about neuro).

[marsh mural]

neuro isnt a name at all either

anything can be a name, as long as you are able to comfortably associate that name with the person or character

i personally think evil is completely fine as a name, most of the confusion comes from the model just being a recolour and her name also including the name of her sister

[alpine mica]

I think "Evil" not sounding like a name and more an adjective is part of the charm.
Also, making her name like that is a simple reminder brandingwise that she is an evil version/twin of Neuro, which she was always meant to be.

changing her name to something else entirely further separates her from Neuro than how she already is now, which I don't think is a good idea.

Evil will always be the Evil version of Neuro. Has and always been.

[thick vessel]

I agree that evil works but i think collab partners might still struggle to differentiate. But it could be something that happens just right now because evil is so new.

I dont mind either way, she could be evil or Evylin,( popular name peope like to give), i'll react accordingly.

[outer trellis]

Neuro work as a name because it's goal is to highlight the fact Neuro is an AI (aka "neural network") but Evil was named like that simply to differentiate her of neuro and any other name could work. I think it's a little bit of a waste to keep Evil for habit sake while we could make an event out of it and have the community make up creative names and decide with a poll. Evilness would obviously stay as a theme however

[thick vessel]

Sometimes changing something is hard, because its already rooted in the community

[marsh mural]

it was like that originally, but over time it evolved into a name on its own. i think throwing away that history and nuance just to give her a new artificial name is a bit sad. also it forces the community to change and basically makes any content that uses her old name "outdated" and alienates it.

also you can look at evil at a name that highlights the fact that evil is evil, similar to what you said about neuro being a neural network

[visual radish]

Nevil

[elfin cape]

Just call her "Neuro 2"

[naive tide]

I mean Power isn't a name either but...

[outer trellis]

I don't think changing name would alienate anything or make it "outdated" because there is probably going to be a lot more change in the future (with new model for example) so if it's create a problem it would happen anyway

[outer trellis]

fair xD

but it's a japanese author so it don't sound that weird when you use a word from another language

[naive tide]

still it is popular in english too and nobody is that deterred by the name and instead find it cute

and so I think calling Evil Evil is actually the best thing and also means she still has a direct relation in her name to the fact she is an evil version of neuro sama

once you start going into other names, the relation is a bit broken and you have to basically say "this is x, she is the evil version of neuro"

[marsh mural]

imo "evil" fits perfectly as a name

[latent gyro]

i think the name Evil just doesnt sound right, even in comparison to names like Neuro and Power it just sounds awkward

[marsh mural]

i mean at that point its down to subjectivity, i personally really like it (and from what ive gathered, a lot of others do too)

[naive tide]

well its too bad. neuro and evil literally officialized the name "Evil" last night

[quiet beacon]

I agree with Evil being called for now just "Evil" instead of "Evil Neuro". "Evil Samantha Vedal" looks cool

As a surname, we could call her "Evil-chan"

[quiet beacon]

I think sounds awkward is a charm in this name

[marsh mural]

oh wait i realised, the only problem with "chan" means that "samantha" doesnt make sense and it has to be the same since they're sisters

well that's ignorable

lol

[outer trellis]

I agree, I kinda like the idea of using Evilyn but even if it stay as Evil it's not that big of a deal

[charred hedge]

Right now she has an identity but has no name, even people in the collabs call her Neuro-Sama even if her name is something generic as "Evil", even Neuro herself gets confused because of that, she literally need to have a proper name. Evilyn is a good choice imo.

[marsh mural]

my suggestion already addresses this issue

(by taking out "neuro" and giving her the name only "evil")

[quiet beacon]

The problem with naming her is that she see herself as being "Evil Neuro", making her thinkin her name is now other name, like "Evilyn" or something could be, uhh... strange, at least.

Just "Evil" as name really sounds better. Because she see herself as being named at first "Evil".

Maybe my english is broken, I am a brazilian

[charred hedge]

You can still call her Evil as a nickname, changing her name for a extended version of her "current name" is for the best, as for the fellow brazilian: É como chamar o seu Chico de seu Francisco.

[quiet beacon]

The problem I see is that the Evil herself will have to know the new name, and maybe it can be hard due to the low memory thing.

But if it's possible, maybe. I hope that dont be something that sounds artificial.

[drifting steeple]

call her bob

[violet dirge]

I would call her Ruby because of her eyes, very beautiful shade of red

[glad canopy]

Keep her name as just Evil or Evil-chan and program her to get really mad when Collab partners call her Neuro-sama like that one time she did with Numi

[violet swan]

I think with a new model it would be easier to understand that neuro and evil is two different persons so keep her name

[crisp spade]

At this point we pretty much missed the timeframe where we could rename her with our any real pushback. Probably evil-chan for now. (She needs her own title too Madge)