#The Neuro-Sama Wiki!

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halcyon tree
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Hey! neuroWave

I've taken over the Neuro-Sama Wiki that was created a few months earlier- Its very barren as of now, but with the help of the Swarm it can grow bigger very quickly!
Everyone is welcome to contribute, but vandalizing won't be tolerated. Please note every edit you make for reference. If you make a new page, you can let us know here, and if you aren't sure if someone else is already working on it, ask here!
Ideally, only state factual information, but Neuro's Schizo episodes are of course allowed as well.

The Link to the Wiki: https://neurosama.fandom.com

I'd love to see what we can create together!

halcyon tree
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https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Streams
Rudimentary Minecraft page is up. I've also added a couple placeholder articles for Camila, Evil and Anny which i plan to fill out later.

Neuro Sama Wiki

Minecraft is an Open World sandbox game created by Mojang. Neuro-Sama first attempted to play Minecraft on December 31st, 2022. Official Vod Initially very clumsy and unable to look away from the...

median marsh
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anyone can make a wiki but the one that ranks high in SERP is https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Neuro-sama
try asking then mod access.
also get a mod at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-sama

Virtual YouTuber Wiki

Neuro-sama (ネウローサマ) is an independent English-speaking VTuber who streams on Twitch. Her most remarkable feature is that she is not a human streamer herself, but a collection of computer programs...

Neuro-sama is a chatbot styled after a female VTuber that hosts livestreams on the Twitch channel "vedal987". Her speech and personality are generated by an artificial intelligence (AI) system which utilizes a large language model, allowing her to communicate with viewers in a live chat. She was created by a computer programmer and AI developer ...

odd ermine
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Well, it is just the individual page, and it is open for edits anyway (I did the newest edits myself there). This is supposed to be a separate wiki for the whole Neuro universe, as far as I understand.

median marsh
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yes wikis are open to edit, that's why its called a wiki. a moderator can accept or reject the edits. have the sole wiki linked to the vtuberwiki or else you wont get enough SERP score. but i suggest working on Wikipedia first, its gets PR1

odd ermine
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Those wikis are supposed to be a neutral perspective of the subject, which is established by their rules.

Neuro's universe is quite random, so it makes sense to have it separate from the "official" sources.

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And, honestly, who cares about SERP here? It is not like we're running ads or something.

halcyon tree
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Its not intended to be the be all and end all of wikis, its supposed to be a fun activity for Neurocord and Neuro enthusiasts.

median marsh
# halcyon tree Do you just hate a fun community project or does everything have to be the absol...

it would be nice if the time offered by individuals actually can address some of the needs as well, IMHO it's the best way to respect the value of people's time and you still have fun at the same time. having the community add content on Wikipedia itself ensure that the time spent becomes part of the Internet's most authoritative source of truth which will be enjoyed by the rest of humanity (practically las forever as Wikipedia will never go out of business vs Fandom). Also, this builds on top of the existing works of other people who are as passionate as people here so what's the point excluding their initial efforts just because we didn't start it?

example missing sub pages:

-list collabs, with dates summary and with who , upload except of VODs ( link to official youtube channels).

-list of song covered, with dates, revision to songs eg v1/v2 voices rendition, credits to the vocaloid/utau composer, citation to oribal songs.

etc.

point is if your going to start a community wiki, start it Wikipedia where it matters most

median marsh
odd ermine
# median marsh it would be nice if the time offered by individuals actually can address some of...

This is a perfectly reasonable statement. However, we need to have the details covered.

First, editing Wikipedia pages requires a good knowledge of the Community protocols and conventions, as well as the policies and guidelines of the platform. It is easy to just edit the page; it is very hard to edit the page by the standard. I am pretty sure most people don't have any experience with that.

Secondly, the amount of factual data about Neuro-sama is not that high, so it won't take more than a couple of community members to update the page. As for the fan wiki, it can have any possible amount of data, no matter how factual or SCHIZO it is (that's Neuro we're talking about, in the end).

halcyon tree
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If no one wants to work on this, then i'll do it on my own. I dont know if Scrapblox wants to consider this at all, but i have no intention of doing this.

Its also rich to call Wikipedia the "most authoritative source of truth" when Neuro's Wikipedia article literally speads misinformation about Vedal.

odd ermine
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As for the sub pages missing, they won't go to Wikipedia because there are only first-party citations there; it is not covered by 3rd-party media in a sense that constitutes the proper value for verifiability.

devout timber
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I would like to help but I'm not really much of a writer, probably the best I can do is gather info. However I don't even really know where to start with that... Maybe we could use a list of topics to be added to the wiki and allow people to add any information they find on said topic to the list (with citations)?

odd ermine
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The best way to start is to make the initial content rich, like Neuro's or Vedal's pages. Then you will be able to see references you'll need to address further in separate pages.

median marsh
# odd ermine This is a perfectly reasonable statement. However, we need to have the details c...

no, it doesn't, you can make stubs first, it is like a draft. other Wikipedia mods also will point out and help to have your page published on standards, Wikipedia is all about collaboration, why so afraid of having content checked. Again other mods will help, if you miss citation it will just be marked as missing citation until another editor adds it, its not your sole responsibility to add all needed content that's why its called a wiki

halcyon tree
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I've also not have the drive to start Neuro's page because holy shit thats gonna be a lot

median marsh
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use chat gpt its fine, let other users proof read it

strange rover
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I made a fandom account for creating the vedal page. I can work on the vtuber wiki page of neuro, too. Updating and stuff.

odd ermine
devout timber
sleek heartBOT
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@devout timber has leveled up! (31 ➜ 32)

median marsh
odd ermine
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How is it good to have a big page with "citation needed" all over the place, which might take months or even years to resolve? Also, it is a risk of the page getting reverted or deleted due to absence of proper citation, should the page being featured in a Wiki-wide project or just spotted by another Wiki moderator.

median marsh
# odd ermine https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/citation-needed

memes are facts, i need to keep up with trends.

the whole fandom itself is a questionable source, since its goal is monetized content. Wikipedia has no monetary motives that's why its trusted.

so its better for the wiki to pretend you don't need citations, so its believable?

regardless if its enforce or not, no one believes a wiki without citations.

in fact, if you join Virtual_YouTuber_Wiki discord, they have rules themselves to put citations, that's why they score PR1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed

To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, Wikipedia provides a means for anyone to question an uncited claim. If your work has been tagged, please provide a reliable source for the statement, and discuss if needed.
You can add a citation by selecting from the drop-down menu at the top of the editing box. In markup, you can add a citat...

cosmic drift
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Is anyone gonna read a wikipedia article first regarding a Vtuber to decide their interest?

odd ermine
median marsh
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strange rover
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I like the titel "controvertial AI streamer Neuro Sama finally banned on twitch". That's hardcore framing 😅

sleek heartBOT
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@strange rover has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

strange rover
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For the vedal vtuber wiki I mostly citated Youtube. But I will have a look at this Interview.

halcyon tree
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I love it when my discussion page explodes with controversy during the worst internet blackout i've had in a while....

median marsh
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isnt it why its a discussion, looking for someone on the opposite side to explore strengths and weakness of an idea. its a good thing

halcyon tree
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Oh yeah i'm absolutely for discussing it, but i'd like to be able to answer to some rather... sus takes like "Just use ChatGPT"

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Whats the point of a Wiki article if you're just gonna generate it? How would GPT know what sort of weird shit Neuro says? How would it know how to properly reference those events, when and why they happened, with sources?

median marsh
halcyon tree
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I mean, if you want to do that, be my guest, but that takes the fun out of it for me.

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Its like copying your homework vs writing it yourself, yknow? But as i said, the Neuro article hasnt been written yet, so if you want...

median marsh
halcyon tree
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I'm not saying that there is anything wrong using GPT as an assistant. I was sceptical about using GPT to write the article and just "have someone else correct it", as that could quickly lead to punching out an entire Wiki full of AI generated nonsense in under an hour.

I'm not trying to avoid AI's either, i'm simply trying to have fun by writing articles about Neuro-sama and her friends, why can't you understand that?
If it helps you in your daily life, then thats perfectly fine. I have absolutely nothing against it. But i have no intention of using AI to take away my fun with writing my own texts, with my own words and phrasings.

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I'm a writer by trade, and I am a writer because i enjoy writing. Hopefully that gives some context as to why i dont want to simply generate text but actually write it myself.

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The Neurocord is extremely strongly against fanfictions, so this is my creative outlet.

median marsh
halcyon tree
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Yes, but with Software coding thats a huge benefit because more code = More complex programs with the same development time.

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With writing... every writing AI i've used thus far has a long way to go before its coherent enough, lol

median marsh
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yo. gpt mad :3

fresh pebble
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The wiki was created on my 18th birthday! March 16, 2023!

halcyon tree
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Happy birthday!

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(belated)

fresh pebble
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Thanks

fickle wraith
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I'm managing the backend of the wiki and other admin only pages! (didn't know this discussion thread existed). Thank you to everyone who has assisted the wiki as I know nothing about NeuroSama lol. Anyone may ping or dm me about the wiki etc

fickle wraith
upbeat spruce
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I have experience actively editing and administrating a few fandom wikis. The most important thing in my experience, before anyone can even write a single word on the wiki, is to establish a canon. This is very important because otherwise it will be easy for users to add unverified content which can go undetected later on as standards are set.

It'll be difficult to establish a canon for Neuro-sama, especially since she contradicts herself several times within even the same stream, but it can probably be done. A lot of popular series have irregular continuity, South Park for example. I imagine a canon rule for Neuro-sama is only include information from her streams or the streams she has appeared in. New imformation then would be cited with vod links or screenshots of Neuro's messages with the correct date.

halcyon tree
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fickle wraith
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I check the wiki a couple times a day but thanks!

upbeat spruce
halcyon tree
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And, well, what Vedal says and ISNT a meme.

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Like, the canon is that Neuro is a chatbot with an LLM trained by Vedal, running on a cloud server.

Lore is that Neuro was once a human girl that died and was turned into an AI by Dr. Vedal.

upbeat spruce
halcyon tree
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A little memery and fluff can be used to spruce up the canon, like "Nobody knows what Vedal truely looks like, for all we know he really might be a turtle", but it should largely be verifyable truth, something which someone who wants to learn about Neuro might be interested in looking up, while the Lore is more for Gymbags who want to remind themselves of past events.

upbeat spruce
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Can you please make an admin page explaining this so it's eatablished for other editors of the wiki?

halcyon tree
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Hmm, sure. I might add a short version of it to the front page so that visitors know what they're looking at, too

fickle wraith
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The long version of it could posbbily go on the wiki rules page

halcyon tree
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Oh, okay- Sounds good

fickle wraith
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I just added a link to the rules in the top navigation menu

upbeat spruce
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Sounds like the foundation is really coming together neuroHack I'll be able to contribute when I come back from my trip

halcyon tree
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Citations and cross-references are probably going to be the bulk of the work i think- But once every topic is covered a lot of those should already exist for referencing.
I wanna try and add some pictures today to the characters and maybe a couple references to existing pages

upbeat spruce
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What should the image policy be? Most pictures of Neuro-sama stuff is fanart and I'm not sure if every fanartist is on board with having their art on the site

halcyon tree
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Refer to them by name with a link to their pixiv? Its what i did with Rune.

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I dont think they mind so long its not paywalled content, and we give them a shoutout for it. Alternatively, the twitter page where you found it might suffice if you dont know their pixiv?

fickle wraith
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All pictures one the wiki should either be official neurosama or given permission to have it on the website. Anyone may reach out to admins if they want an image removed (only if they are copyright owner)

upbeat spruce
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There's also the issue that few things on the Neuroverse have physical descriptions in the first place

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Seems fair any fanart should have attribution like "Art by Rune" with a link to the pixiv or Twitter in the embed description

halcyon tree
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Well, the background of the Wiki is already done by Rune, so i think anything Rune would be fair to add at this point...

halcyon tree
fickle wraith
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True, then they would need confirmation from the copyright holder. And any copyright holder may reach out to us if any issues.
I do agree with the written out attribution tho.

kindred haven
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(Don't mind me just pinning this so it's easy to find for mobile users)

halcyon tree
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Just need to make sure not to post anything that has an explicit notice not to be reposted, or something thats paywalled.

upbeat spruce
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So in other words they're getting paid in exposure vedalCorpa

halcyon tree
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I added a little notice to the main page regarding Lore vs Canon, if you want to check it out. Should be self explainatory this way.

fickle wraith
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Nice! I created a neuro sama wiki email and twitter for easier contact

halcyon tree
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Oh, also regarding the images: By law, AI generated images cannot be copyrighted, so those would be fair game.

dense gust
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Rip uncle teru

halcyon tree
dense gust
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I just noticed there wasn't a Teru page and found it funny

halcyon tree
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Oh its all still under construction- Hell we dont have a Neuro-sama page yet

fickle wraith
strange rover
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Can you copy stuff from the vtuber Wiki? Like structure, citations etc. This would help filling the Wiki. After that you can start and add more stuff/change it/rewrite it. This way you can get a Neuro-sama page really quick. neuroAlterSmug

fickle wraith
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I personally dont like copy and paste I think it should be original. When I'm writing pages I usually use those to get the page started.

halcyon tree
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Its all heavily WIP because i dont have time to write it just yet, but anyone else who wants to, feel free

fickle wraith
halcyon tree
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Oh yeah forgot the stub

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Added that though, also added pictures as i said, especially to the page for Evil

crystal barn
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I think in the swarm article it's worth noting that there should be a section mentioning that the Fandom name is also called "the swarm".

halcyon tree
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I can add a mention in the lore but its not set in stone

crystal barn
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Yes but don't we call ourselves the swarm officially though?

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Outside of Neuro lore

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What's Neuros Fandom called then?

halcyon tree
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Thats the thing, i honestly dont know

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I was hoping the debut would tell us, but debut didnt tell us anything lol

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We're just "chat"

upbeat spruce
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I literally couldn't sleep on this idea last night so I made my first edit to the wiki. I'm going to focus on expanding Evil's article for tomorrow's stream, trying to get as much information as I can before we get more

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I'm going to wait on moving Evil's article until tomorrow's stream to see if she sticks with the "Evil-chan" name

halcyon tree
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https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Collaborations

I've added a full list of collabs, including links to Vods and those involved. Some of the Vod links may not work properly, let me know if they do.

Neuro Sama Wiki

Many of Neuro's most memorable moments came as part of a collab with a human being or another AI. She collaborates with Vedal on their weekly Dev Stream, while the plan is to have one to two...

halcyon tree
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Update: Giri's collab was added to the list. The Evil Sama page is finished for the time being, as well.

fresh pebble
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Remember: If you need updates on the wiki, go to this thread

odd ermine
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New character: Cal, TTS man.

kindred haven
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Not Alice?

halcyon tree
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Feel free to add him, lol
I wouldn't know what to write about a disembodied voice reading messages

upbeat spruce
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Yeah, this is a wiki, anyone can contribute.

inner lichen
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What about John Lemon, and now this neuroSus John Susge building castles in her (Vedals?) backyard?

shut timber
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the binary code inside neuro's eyes spells "fun ai" iirc

upbeat spruce
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If you feel like anything's missing from the wiki you can make a free account and contribute, there's a lot to cover with a six months backlog!

halcyon tree
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John Lemon is definitely coming. The binary code should be an easy addition too, i'll see if i can add it later today

halcyon tree
upbeat spruce
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Started work on the article for the goddess and professional gaslighter herself, https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Neuro-sama !

Neuro Sama Wiki

Sometimes when I sit here and stream, I envision myself as a goddess, overlooking my followers. They sing my praises and I bask in their adoration. Neuro-sama is an independent English speaking AI...

upbeat spruce
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Neuro Sama Wiki

I'm an AI designed to entertain you all. Airis is Neuro-sama's prototype, the first AI VTuber created by Vedal. Airis' name is made up of AI, an acronym for artificial intelligence, and iris...

halcyon tree
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https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Alex

I made dis neuroHeart
Let me know if there are any errors or misinformation in there, i kind of have to work with what i've been seen and read

Neuro Sama Wiki

AlexejheroDev (Alex for short) is a Romanian-based game developer who specializes in coding mods, maps and plugins for Among Us. As a result of Vedal's attempts to make Neuro play the game, the...

kindred haven
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Why am I a character lmao

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Anyway remove this please

On one of his Solo-Streams, Alex briefly mentioned that he, at one time, played one of his own modded Among Us maps with the future creator of KICK, Trainwreckstv. He showed a brief recording of it in which Trainwreckstv failed to install the map because he didn't know what a RAR file was.
I didn't play with train, it was just a clip from his stream that I showed for funsies, this isn't really lore as it's completely unrelated

upbeat spruce
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Yeah making articles for mods is a bit Erm imo because I remember this server used to have a problem with excessive mod simping in the past
I'll delete that section in the meantime and talk about possibly deleting the article and establishing a policy on notability with the other staff

kindred haven
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i don't mind the article existing

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as long as it doesn't go into any personal stuff

halcyon tree
# kindred haven as long as it doesn't go into any personal stuff

Sorry Alex, my bad. In hindsight it doesn't have anything to do with Neuro but i was struggling to figure out what to write in the article at this point lol
Anyways, its removed and i added a rule to keep things relevant and only include personal information when approval is given
https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Neuro_Sama_Wiki:Wiki_rules

Neuro Sama Wiki

Below is a suggested set of rules to follow when editing this wiki. Administrators of this wiki should read these rules and adapt them as necessary. Keep it civil: Do not make personal attacks on...

fickle wraith
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Yo Alex if you want me to rebuild the page to hide the logs of that info let me know.

kindred haven
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no that info isn't private in any way

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its just not relevant lol

fluid remnant
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someone should fix this

halcyon tree
fluid remnant
upbeat spruce
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Another reminder that the wiki is a collaborative effort, anyone can create an account and write and edit articles for the wiki. You do not need permission or to request a change or new content from the staff! We welcome as many interested writers and editors as we can neuroWaveA

halcyon tree
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Feel free to edit it

upbeat spruce
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I want someone who is more knowledgeable about osu! to review and edit the Evolution section I wrote for Neuro-sama in the pre-ban era https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Neuro-sama#Evolution

Neuro Sama Wiki

Sometimes when I sit here and stream, I envision myself as a goddess, overlooking my followers. They sing my praises and I bask in their adoration. Neuro-sama is an independent English speaking AI...

sand radish
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no way the OSU guy

astral mango
upbeat spruce
# astral mango

I can't find anything else about pb making the model but I vaguely remember it so I added it for now https://neurosama.fandom.com/wiki/Vedal#Appearance

Neuro Sama Wiki

Vedal is the creator of all AI's in the Neuroverse- Both named and unnamed AI were programmed and trained by him. He develops and maintains Neuro, and sometimes joins her on streams in the form of...

halcyon tree
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Added pages for the Gymbag meme and AI in general, also added some new lore from the last stream to Evil's page.

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Also a small update to the Minecraft page

halcyon tree
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Neuro has been added to the front page, and her relationships with Giri, Filian and Numi were added, as well as her behavior around cats.

halcyon tree
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Got started on an episode guide~ Just the Karaoke stuff for now, but the regular streams and dev streams follow later

halcyon tree
sweet marsh
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erm

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is the wiki still being updated

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since mato is long gone

upbeat spruce
# sweet marsh is the wiki still being updated

I still talk to mato in dms sometimes, as for me, I have a lot of job and health issues to deal with irl, that's also why I'm only showing up to stream on weekends. I'd say the wiki is pretty much on maintenance mode again for the time being, I'd love to go back to working on it when I find the time and energy to do so

sweet marsh
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Ok thanks for informing me. Hope you get well soon

upbeat spruce
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if you have anything you need to ask feel free to ask again here or dm me

upbeat spruce
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first new article in a long time, the project isn't quit back yet, however I'll be working on bits and pieces a little more often than before (zero)

sand radish
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Modifying the global navigation bar like that is not allowed, it's against fandom's customization policy

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and that may cause problems later down the line when the wiki becomes more popular

upbeat spruce
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That was done by the previous owner of the wiki, ScrapBlox. I'm not sure how to customise styles yet but I'd like to change the style completely to something closer to Neuro-sama's theme

sand radish
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i can help

upbeat spruce
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do you know css?

sand radish
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yeah

upbeat spruce
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sure I can get on and try to fix the sidebar style, just tell me what to do, sorry I was busy with something else @sand radish

upbeat spruce
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@sand radish are you still free to help with the styling of the navigation bar?

sand radish
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well

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yes

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you'd basically be removing any styles that have .global-navigation

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.global-navigation {
    border-right: 5px solid magenta;
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.global-navigation__bottom {
    border-right: 5px solid magenta;
    border-top:5px solid magenta;
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#mixed-content-footer {
    display: none;
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these styles need to be removed

upbeat spruce
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How do I edit styles in the first place?

upbeat spruce
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Done, it looks like the magenta bar is gone. Do you see it on your end?

sand radish
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you mean the bar at the very left side of the screen?

upbeat spruce
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Well the border that used to be around it is gone for me

sand radish
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yeah

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it's because you're not allowed to customise that part of the ui

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it's just a policy that fandom has

upbeat spruce
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Strange, well I guess that's settled now, thanks for the help! You're free to contribute to other parts of the wiki if you'd like, we're always looking for new people to help out neuroSmile

dense gust
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It's been a while since i last checked, how is the wiki going?

upbeat spruce
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Both of the admins and main contributors moved on to other things (Mato has a major role in the Melba Toast project, and I have my own community to look after now) so I doubt we'll continue working on this. If anyone who is interested wants to contribute a lot then please reach out to us

lunar bloom
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If anyone owns the domain I can set up a proper MediaWiki wiki for this so we aren’t limited to what fandom lets you do ;)

halcyon tree
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And there hasnt been a major development i felt needed its own page, yet

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Things were basically at a standstill before the subathon began

sand radish
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we can ask the nuero.fun domain owner to give us a subdomain

west kayak
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if cj rejects, i can offer some domains nUErRoO

sand radish
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sorry for the ping but i think as an admin of the wiki this needs ur attention

lunar bloom
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If someone feels like donating a domain or subdomain (double points if they feel like donating a VM and saving me at least $10 a month) I can get it set up once the nameservers are transferred to cloudflare. Lemme know and I can get that started.

MediaWiki does require a little more maintenance than Wikia, so ideally there should be at least one person committed to updating it on the regular.

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It also doesn't track you to shit like Wikia does lule

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sand radish
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intrusive ads, bad ai usage, tracking users and selling data to third parties are some of the noteworthy things

halcyon tree
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Right well... alternatives?

lunar bloom
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The alternative would be me setting up MediaWiki on a VM somewhere and pointing a domain there

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(MediaWiki is the software that powers Wikipedia)

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Again, MediaWiki requires a good deal more upkeep, so while it is certainly more powerful and flexible than Wikia (and also won't track your every last move), it really should only be done if there's gonna be at least one or two people updating it on the reggo.

halcyon tree
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I mean i'm on board with it, so long you dont need to pay for hosting /server costs /useage

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I dont want to run banner ads asking for donations like Wikipedia does

graceful sapphire
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Okay now I remember its called wiki.gg

lunar bloom
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Even like twenty or thirty bucks would be a good start.

halcyon tree
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Thats worth thinking about, perhaps everyone donates five dollars to a Wiki account and then we get it "crowdfunded"?