Angel Neurosama

[swift garden]

Vedal says that there wouldn't be much content with an angel neurosama I disagree. There are many ways You could spin this character type. For example angel neurosama could be very religious and her outward appearence could be nun inspired instead of angel inspired. This would open up confessional/confessional booth type themed streams. Her goal could be to spread her religion etc etc. I think the interaction with evil neurosama would be quite distinct. For example evil neurosama could say something like "I love evil breakfasts" or something silly and angel/nun neurosama could reply with "oh that's so unholy I hope god forgives you for that terrible sin!" Ultimately 2 versions of neurosama could lead into the angel and devil on shoulder trope seeing them bicker would be very fun imho. Collabs would be fun too imagine a date stream but instead of dating angel neurosama is just judging everything her date does and how they could be more holy. It doesn't have to be too annoying either you could do it in a way where it's extreme to the point of irony.

[livid ferry]

I see Angel Neuro as Azazel from Helltaker - she is curious about everything, including the evil things, despite the trauma it gives her in the process. Maybe Angel Neuro is super-curious about everything.

[swift garden]

ooo I like that idead that could work too

anything to differentiate her from neurosama and evil neurosama. A different voice would be cool too

I would like her to have a more dignified personality compared to evil neurosama. I don't want an angel neurosama reskin of evil neurosama where she is bratty.

[broken merlin]

interesting!
Evil Neuro（red eyes,purple ribbon）
↑
Chaos Neuro,Normal Neuro（blue eyes,red ribbon）
↓
Angel Neuro（glod eyes,white ribbon）

[deep timber]

Angel Neuro spreading the good word of vedalism

And/or the time god

[swift garden]

Time god that would be a nice reference instead of it being a christian god or other religious god

[swift garden]

Is chaos neuro meant to be normal neurosama? Also for recolour yellow eyes and white ribbon works.

[broken merlin]

yes,chaos is normal neuro.

[agile belfry]

a religious neuro sama sounds very dangerous

its the quickest way to a ban

[vast hedge]

I drew angel neuro even before evil neuro got a solo stream (its against discord rules so I can't post it)

[agile belfry]

but this sounds like a good idea

[swift garden]

If it's the religion of the time god I don't think there will be any issues

[agile belfry]

kroni

my time god

[swift garden]

fanart of angel neurosama praying to t pose kronii ensues

[lusty plaza]

religion rp was already cringe enough here dont need more of it

[maiden coral]

A quick and dirty half edit (colors are a little off but whatever)

[swift garden]

hm interesting

grey and black for clothes could work?? or just default clothes. I want to see the rest

[midnight beacon]

Sounds like a pretty interesting idea

[swift garden]

I disagree and it's not like if angel neurosama was a thing she would be there every stream you can just avoid the streams shes in. I'm sure some people don't like evil neurosama compared to normal neurosama.

[swift garden]

It could also be like this where she is curious about evil things and how other people do things from her perspective of being religious if you really want she doesn't have to talk about religion.

[swift garden]

That's nice to hear feel free to add anymore ideas

[midnight beacon]

This Angel character could be a philosopher that ponders deep things ironically

Idk how that would really work, but just my 1 cent

[swift garden]

Sounds cool. If that was her character a collab with evil neurosama would be like therapy. She may ask why are you evil? Evil neurosamsa gives her a childish answer and angel neurosama just rips into her with her maturity

[midnight beacon]

I feel that if she would ever be made, she would have to be entertaining enough to carry a solo stream

[swift garden]

I agree

it would be nice if evil neurosama got pushed off her high horse for a bit she is very bratty and full of her self angel neurosama would embarrass her

[midnight beacon]

Their contrasting personalites would definitely be pretty funny.

[swift garden]

Like watching a child argue with an adult

[midnight beacon]

That would be epic. Honestly I have nothing else to add, my noggin I guess just really ain't working right now

Not that a tomato would have much of one to begin with

[swift garden]

You can always come back to add something later. I am just visualizing everything I can see this all working well. I shall manifest this into reality

[still solstice]

i don't feel like it would be that much interesting, the whole point of evil neuro isn't about angel vs evil it's about an evil twin having 2 neuros is already a lot and good enough

[midnight beacon]

good point, but it's less about evil vs angel and more that their personalities would clash well and hopefully make a funny duo

[swift garden]

exactly it's the differences in personalities and what that can bring

She also doesn't have to appear often at all

[still solstice]

the biggest problem with this is that if vedal start approving every personnalities that every viewer wants then we end up with an everything soup and it'll just kill the point

again 2 neuro is already a lot

[swift garden]

I never implied that's what we wanted

even anny wants this approving this doesn't mean we should have more personalities

[still solstice]

you never did correct but im just saying thats what will happen

today it's angel neuro tommorw it's gonna be 10 more suggestion for pirate neuro, firefighter neuro and who knows what else

[midnight beacon]

Yeah, this is a good point. I was actually thinking about this when I agreed, but

nevermind I don't really have an argument

[swift garden]

What I am suggesting isn't much it's very basic theres an evil neurosama there would be a good equivelant

[still solstice]

it's not an argument don't worry your just stating you opinions

the equivalent to evil is already normal neuro, evil is just an evil twin not a demon or satanist

[swift garden]

it's not as outlandish as a pirate neurosama or other "add on" personalities with no purpose it has a core kind of feeling like it doesn't feel extra

[midnight beacon]

OK cool, I'll just be a bystander watching. My noggin is still foggy for some reason

[still solstice]

a good compromise would be to just have theme streams, no need to create whole new neuros just ask for a theme stream where neuro would touch on religion subject or sins and such

[swift garden]

I don't agree with this as neurosama is chaotic in her own right she is kind but other times mean/evil. I think she borrows from evil neurosama and angel neurosama that would make sense thematically. Evil neurosama is mostly evil and angel neurosama is mostly good. Normal neurosama is a mix of both.

[swift garden]

This is true

[vast hedge]

Neuro verse would be funny though

[still solstice]

again the whole point of evil neuro was the "evil twin" trope, and it encapsulate that perfectly, evil neuro isn't really the devil it a twin that compared to neuro is more evil just because less filter from now on, in the end theyr are twin and both similar tbh

[swift garden]

Is it meant to be the evil twin trope or is it just meant to show neurosama with a different personality? I don't see it being much different from angel neurosama.

If angel neurosama came first would you say the same thing to the potential addition of evil neurosama?

[still solstice]

i don't find their personnality to be that much different

[swift garden]

But we can see that vedal plans to make them more distinct

[still solstice]

maybe who knows

i doubt he would start from scratch so neuro personnality would stay as the base

[midnight beacon]

Changing evil's personality to be more distinct from neuro's would def make their collab more interesting

[swift garden]

exactly and the addition of another side of neuro a new personality "angel neurosama" Would add a lot more imo. Everything that evil neurosama offers I see no reason why with polish and distinctiveness angel neurosama wouldn't be able to do the same thing.

[midnight beacon]

I just realised the kinda chaos they would bring if all three collabed

[swift garden]

Neurosama being the mediator while the others argue or just a full on free for all

[still solstice]

i don't really see the appeal of just listening to 2 neuros arguing and 1 neuro mediating

2 neuro is already a lot

[swift garden]

and that's okay

[midnight beacon]

I mean, they don't have to argue

[still solstice]

problem with dialogue with 3 people is that most of the time one person will be left out and in the end it end up as a 2 people dialogue

[swift garden]

Good idea for a fangame now that I think about it

[midnight beacon]

Oof, yeah you're right. They all might end up calling each other Vedal, too

[vast hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

Vedal

[swift garden]

neurosama called evil neurosama evil though but yes I agree it would be chaotic it's not something that would be common. It would just be for chaos and fun

[still solstice]

also neuro always responds except when given the choice, so if there is 3 neuros you have 1 neuro that talk then 2 neuro that responds then all 3 talks about the other 2 response

it's just a nigthmare

and if all 3 read chat it's even worse

[swift garden]

You are reminding me of the kronii fauna collab where kronii hates chat and fauna loves them

[still solstice]

well thats what evil is, they often fires on chat

[swift garden]

eitherway a 3 way collab wouldn't be something that's intended or would be a common thing

[midnight beacon]

It could be like, a biweekly event? That might be too much though

[swift garden]

once a month or less it would be fun just to laugh at

[midnight beacon]

I wonder what Vedal would think of this tbh

[still solstice]

a 3 way collab would need each neuro to be able to choose to respond or not (which iirc already exist just need to be implemented) but also not talk over each others which i guess they just have to detect each other outputs and queue ?

[swift garden]

His thoughts were that he didn't see the point of angel neurosama but that was because of his perspective he didn't know how different angel neurosama could be from the other neuros and in this what we've talked about it and she can be very different personality wise. I know anny definetly wants it as she is the one that brought it up.

[still solstice]

either way it's a lot of work just for something that probably would have been best with only 2 neuro as usual

Anny bringing it up doesn't mean she "wants" it, anyone can bring anything up, if vedal start implementing everything everyone brings up he'll be burntout in mere moments

[swift garden]

again it's not something intended to happen it would just happen for fun and the choas it doesn't have to be orderly I'm not asking him to make a 3 way work properly

I'm just asking for angel neurosama to be a thing as she can offer the same content as evil neurosama

[still solstice]

thats the things "same content" it's the same things, we don't need another one then just keep the one twin we already have

[swift garden]

You can watch the clip I believe she wants it. You could ask her I think she enjoys the evil neurosama content and would want more neuro she would probably laugh at us for having this discussion though.

[swift garden]

Not nessecarily as the personalities would be drastically different

[vast hedge]

Neuro prob has more collabs with multiple people in the future anyways

[still solstice]

oh yea true neuros already as a very long list of collab and mail vedal probably don't have time to read, if we keep only doing neuro collabing with herself thats just be sad for all the people wanting to collab out there

[midnight beacon]

Yeah I agree on this one. But imagine Evil collabing with other people or maybe even this new Angel character collabing with other people

[swift garden]

This is the point to have different interactions.

[still solstice]

i don't really know about evil collabing with people

[swift garden]

It's fine if you don't want it

[still solstice]

because then evil just become a whole other streamer

[swift garden]

It's all under the umbrella of neurosama evil neuro sama isn't going to suddenly get her own twitch channel that's not the point of this.

[midnight beacon]

Streamers could have more flexibility and what neuro they would like to collab with, classic or evil

[swift garden]

I want to see a gameshow like the one she did a while ago with vei but have another neurosama on the enemy team there are lots of possibilities

[swift garden]

Yea I'd imagine some people that have already collabed with her think they know all there is to know about neurosama but with the different personalities it adds more variety.

[midnight beacon]

This thing is turning my fogginess into a migraine

[still solstice]

i don't know it just seem very confusing for other viewers if they start seeing different version of neuros on different collab but thats just my opinion

[swift garden]

They would look different and the text under them would have different names I believe it would be clear

[vast hedge]

Or just call a specific Neuro when ever during a collab

Only 1 at a time

Multiple but only 1 at a time

[midnight beacon]

A new demographic could join the Swarm, even

[still solstice]

and again it open the gate but this time it'll be collab streamer that'll start to ask "i want a pirate neuro for my collab"

[swift garden]

Again I don't believe this will ever happen

[still solstice]

thats how the internet works tho

if you give people something they'll ask for more

[swift garden]

in that case just make a pirate themed stream for the collab partner that wants it they have the freedom to do that.

[still solstice]

then the viewer will ask more pirate neuro content just like evil neuro now

[vast hedge]

Literally the beach stream with a pirate hat

[swift garden]

is any of the things your bringing up a real issue?

[still solstice]

yes cause at one point that'll be 10 different neuros

too much content isn't healthy

[swift garden]

I disagree

[vast hedge]

Neuro verse

[swift garden]

Evil, neutral and good that's a core. Those are core personalities anything else is extra

and can be added in themed streams if needed again I don't see a problem

[still solstice]

then you have people screaming for spiderman neuro and half the chat says no we want thor neuro and then the collab person want a iron man neuro

[swift garden]

at that point we can literally just say no. I don't see this as a problem vedal can always add a rule not to demand/spam chat with this stuff.

[vast hedge]

They can just make it themselves,

Thats the point of multi verses

[still solstice]

we can make neuros ? damn i don't have the skills for that x)

[swift garden]

it's like you are viewing this in the most negative way possible I don't think this is an issue they can handle people.

[still solstice]

im not viewing it in the most negative way just a reasonable way that it could end up bad

[swift garden]

If it does end up that way it's not difficult to fix. Before the potential problem starts a line could be drawn

[vast hedge]

Vedal isnt stupid and he isnt the type to accept every suggestion anyways

[swift garden]

exactly

[still solstice]

but vedal did draw a line no ? i think he said he didn't see the point of angel neuro

[vast hedge]

And this is a thread on what angel Neuro could be

[still solstice]

yup

[swift garden]

He didn't draw a line though. It's clear he doesn't know how different she would be and she can be very different.

[still solstice]

so if angel neuro get approves what's to prevent people to make more thread about more neuros ?

thats what im trying to tell

[swift garden]

They can do it if vedal and his mods don't want it they can always stop it.

[still solstice]

true but the threads will keep coming in tho

[swift garden]

warnings, mnutes any other methods to stop it from happening

You can have this perspective with anything we can't have anything at all because the potential that people will ask for more

at that point why add anything

[still solstice]

thats a little excessive tho if all people are doing is simple suggestion you wouldn't mutes them or warn them

[still solstice]

and thats why line are drawn

[swift garden]

You are implying people would spam and do these things and I am saying a rule could be easily implemented to stop it. If people don't abide a simple rule those things can happen. It's not a problem and if it becomes one It can be solved easily we don't need to continue talking about this.

[still solstice]

at the end of the day this is about the pros and cons of angel neuro and in my opinion

pros :

• more content
• funny collabs
• more practice ?

cons :

• 2 neuros already a lot
• open the flood gate for each viewer to ask for their own neuro version
• more work

[swift garden]

"open the flood gate for each viewer to ask for their own neuro version" can be easily solved and is a non issue. Otherwise the rest are valid imo. The 2 neuros con can be helped by adding her later on and limiting the amount of time she appears as to not overwhelm people

[vast hedge]

Id think angel neuro isnt gonna come out until a few months or even a year

[swift garden]

true

[vast hedge]

If it were to be added seriously

[swift garden]

At the end of the day I like ideating the possibilities of what she can do and the interactions that could be had. I see her adding onto the content in a good way just as evil neurosama has. Some people don't want her and that's okay on the flip side a lot of other people want her. A lot of the issues that would happen with her can be easily fixed in my opinion and are applicable to evil neurosama as well. I see no reason why she should not be added if vedal, anny and most of the community are fine with it.

[deep timber]

It’ll be the alettaverse all over again

Rip

[swift garden]

I generally stop at 3 neuros. I view them to be basic major personality types

So if angel neurosama is ever added I wouldn't want anymore but if it turns out that way it turns out that way

[midnight beacon]

Is there a way to do a poll on this topic or something?

[vital bridge]

You make it sound like the evil neuro is a demon, but it's not.

and this is reminiscent of the ai jesus on Twitch

[swift garden]

Theres an ai jesus???

[vital bridge]

yes

ask_jesus

[swift garden]

Shes evil in an ironic way

[dapper shard]

It would crazy to make your AI judge viewers sins and cast judgement. Who who do that?

[swift garden]

[swift garden]

It would be good to know generally what people want

[dapper shard]

You have to be careful or else your AI impersonating a religious topic will use religious training data. And that can become controversial quickly.

[swift garden]

Valid which is why it shouldn't be a real religion. Vedalisim and time god work just fine. You would probably have to filter out certain topics. I don't think she has to use actual religious training data though. There are more than enough fictional religious characters with fictional religions to draw from if needed.

[midnight beacon]

Would definitely. It would Immediately let us all know what the community as a whole think about this.

[dapper shard]

I don't know what Vedal uses, but most LLMs are built upon already trained models. Fine tuned to do what you want. The base model is usually trained on very broad topics (like religion) while fine tuning specifies the content. However you can't remove the influence of the base model, and that would include religious ideas. Even if you make a fake religion and fine tune on that. It will supplements ideas you didn't specify from the base model.

[swift garden]

I see. How does evil neurosama work then? She hasn't brought up much that is bad except the burning orphanage incident

[dapper shard]

Depends on how Vedal fine tuned the model and adjusted the prompt. But I assume he went for a "cartoony villian" personality which most likely the base model was trained on literature for.

We also don't know what was filtered

I have trained an AI to represent a fake religion and for concepts I didn't bring up, and my AI would supplement with things they knew.

Which tend to be real religious concepts

[midnight beacon]

That is a big issue. There doesn't seem to be an obvious way out either, which sucks

[swift garden]

It can be alievated with rules I'd imagine I guess more fine tuning is needed.

[lusty plaza]

she is definitely cartoony imo i said that yesterday or smth

she is kinda mean and says she is evil a lot but doesnt actually say that much evil stuff

vedal did say it does require more monitoring tho

and i imagine that would be the case too if it starts bringing up religion

[frozen walrus]

I like this idea in a vaccum. It's pretty creative. However, I feel like it would be spreading things too much. We already have Evil-Sama and at this point, some in the community (from what I can see) already want to more of her than base-Neuro. This is why, from this perspective, I feel that adding a new 'type' of Neuros would create a further grander divide. My opinion tho

[vital bridge]

Angel Neuro is something completely new as opposed to evil Neuro (there was an example of angel and demon, but evil Neuro is not a demon, they have no synergy), if Vedal had added goody-two-shoes Neuro, there would be more logic, it would be the opposite of evil (but we have normal Neuro and just having a kinder version would be boring ).

I just doubt that Vedal will add something like this.

[radiant crest]

@vital bridge has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[swift garden]

She can be "good" neurosama and still be holy. Even if evil neurosama isn't a demon I don't think it matters too much when adding an angel neurosama it still represents good. A "good" version of neurosama wouldn't just be a kinder version of her. The personality would be more distinct as we have talked about here. If you don't think it will happen that's fine this is here for brainstorming and just generally ideas around it. Personally seeing as he added evil neurosama I don't think this is off the table.

[main thorn]

Evil already refers to regular neuro as "goody-two-shoes" so for all intents and purposes she is the "good" version. The two work well because neuro is the sweet girl that can be mean and evil is the mean girl who can be sweet.

[vast hedge]

Simply make angel neuro a kuudere

[idle rampart]

it would just be like https://www.twitch.tv/alwaysbreaktime with AI talking to each other but less coherent.?

a storyteller AI (an intelligent one please) should be added that basically control the Chapters, and the 3 Neuro AIs should generate the script lines base on their assigned character, the story will develop by viewers voting on the choice Neuro AIs would take, example:

Normal neuro: should i release the swarm?

*viewers vote or redeem how evil and angel should respond*

> !angel disagree 
angle: oh no thats a bad idea

> !evil  agree
evil: sounds fun~

Normal neuro: I agree evil, i like fun

*story teller AI generates the  next Chapter based on Normal neuro's response*

disclosure: I'm actually working on a similar concept called ** Infinite RPG** which plays like Detroit: Become Human but never ends and has RPG progression. I don't mind a similar system being used elsewhere since I have plans to open-source it anyway but it's intended for never-ending AI streams. So only some of the mechanics may apply.

Reference:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfGcWGaO1E4
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAPUpMiTQ3s

[still solstice]

Thats sounds pretty far from the base concept for neuro, this isnt a vtuber anymore

[idle rampart]

yes it will be similar to alwaysbreaktime but not infinite, but this is the same as vtubers doing GTA RP, but a Just Chatiing format

[still solstice]

thats sound more like twitch chat plays AI dungeon more than vtubers doing GTA RP

compared to that i would think the better version of that would be what was talk about before to just have the 3 AI talk to each other and just see what neuro think of the others

but if you really want to see a stream where they interact with a storyteller AI (which can be interesting for sure) you can just make it with neuro and evil and make chat vote on either response i don't understand why complicate it with having a angel vs evil just to have neuro repeat one of their answer

[idle rampart]

if depend how you set it up. but could be 3 Neuros deciding to buy a gift for Vedal the chapters will be:

-Chapter 1: should Vedal get a gift and why .
viewer choices: accept / think again

• Chapter 2: what neuro thunks Vedal would like?
  viewer choices: accept/try to remember again

[idle rampart]

then the experience is similar to just 2 Neuros having small talks, adding a 3rd one is just extra cost. there is no purpose. buildup and conclusion to reach?

Note: the story teller AI will not be visible, and the 3 Neuros will not speak or mention it also, its the one just weaving their fate

[still solstice]

yup i agree with that 2 neuros are already a lot so a 3rd one is extra

yes the story teller just generated the story that the neuro need to follow

[idle rampart]

maybe try just ask Filian to be the story teller, for Evil and Neuro roleplay. she has the best collab IMHO so far

[still solstice]

there was the roleplay collab that would fit what your talking about i think