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#Neuro ARG - Cracking the "Numbers" Video
sacred ruin
minor fiber
unfortunatly this new video didn't give us a number that contains 9 and 1, and contains a 2 when multiplied by 5, and ends up with a valid key
meaning there is a number to find that will, when passed through the lyrics, give us the valid key
sacred ruin
we have documented every number we found in all vids
if we cant find it something is wrong
minor fiber
i tried some but nope
rose sparrow
Wouldn't it make more sense that each number is just a part of the key @minor fiber ? a 256-bit number is huge, makes more sense to encode it in chunks
minor fiber
572943 gives a 16 char key, but this number doesn't have a 1, so the number we are looking for should be bigger tha 572943 to get a 32 key
rose sparrow
the key doesn't have to be chars, the screenshot even says [BINARY]
sacred ruin
hm
minor fiber
Wouldn't it make more sense that each number is just a part of the key <@3431702...
it would make sense if not for the fact that these video are addtional videos, meaning the number 1 video should be solvable without them, meaning we didn't find what is needed to be found
sacred ruin
it would make sense if not for the fact that these video are addtional videos, m...
this wouldnt make sense... numbers one and study came out at the same time
you'd need to include study for that to be right
rose sparrow
it would make sense if not for the fact that these video are addtional videos, m...
Again, I don't think that's the case, I think both numbers 1 and 2 are required to solve the ARG, I see no indication that implies it would've been solvable with just the first one
minor fiber
yeaaa but study is complicated and i didn't work on it
i think pfcpmf worked on it ?
sacred ruin
theres one "hash" there
maybe if we try to decode it using 572943 it gives us the secret number
its quite small
if you are right and use your theory (numbers 1 and study) we can get the 32 bit key
using numbers one thingamajing to transform 572943, decrypt the study thing and get a number which goes thru the same steps
minor fiber
i think this is telling us to use these lyrics
but i already tested counting the days
it gives too small numbers too
snow crystal
if you are right and use your theory (numbers 1 and study) we can get the 32 bit...
Just to confirm because you keep mentioning a 32 bit key: Do you mean bytes or is there actually a reference to a 32 bits key I missed?
minor fiber
32 would be 32 char long
for utf
1432 days + 572943 gives
17590325721525530924
22 long
robust scaffold
Just to confirm because you keep mentioning a 32 bit key: Do you mean bytes or i...
maybe bc of the spectrogram https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112082183235047506/1121578737843052554/image.png
256bits = 32 bytes so probably bytes
minor fiber
so far the range is 17589...924 -> 17590...924
minor fiber
in hours ?
minor fiber
fibonnaci ?
sacred ruin
17....24
robust scaffold
give 17589915530924
minor fiber
i just did 1432572943
sacred ruin
not useable
scarlet quiver
Did everyone forget about DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==? It's 16-bytes. Could it be the secret?
17355005654666773979791917897625208130
sacred ruin
where did you get that number
rose sparrow
it's from the study javascript
sacred ruin
not that
sacred ruin
17355005654666773979791917897625208130
how was this trasnformed
rose sparrow
no, 16, but that's enough for a 128-bit key
sacred ruin
the transformed number
sacred ruin
17355005654666773979791917897625208130
this
rose sparrow
38 chars
thorny robin
38
scarlet quiver
If you reverse with the desc in number 1, what number does it become?
robust scaffold
17355005654666773979791917897625208130 transformed by the number 1 algorithm is
175899104365686964873639090715000364475199120924 with a length of 48 char
scarlet quiver
48=32+16
robust scaffold
IV and key maybe ?
scarlet quiver
IV and key maybe ?
I was thinking something like that.
robust scaffold
maybe bc of the spectrogram https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112082183235...
if we asume 1st and 2nd mean part of the number
17589910436568696487363909071500 is the 32 bytes key (but why it say [binary]?)
and 0364475199120924 IV
edit I made a mistake and fixed
minor fiber
did we get clue about IV ? just 258 bit binary right ? are we thinking binary is the output ?
tired wind
possibly. estonte, what do you think about inital_number = 2? we also haven't really used the fib number clues.
robust scaffold
possibly. estonte, what do you think about `inital_number = 2`? we also haven't ...
I think it related to "start with 2" only as hint that this is the number 1 algorithm
minor fiber
a = '201'
a = '2' + a
a = a + '9'
a = str(int(a)*5)
a = a + '6'
a = a[::-1]
a = a.replace('2', '3')
a = str(int(a) * 9)
a = a + '24'
a = '17' + a
print(a)
would refer to the second line
tired wind
right. i've pasted the key info here into the docs, including the code
astral panther
```
a = '201'
a = '2' + a
a = a + '9'
a = str(int(a)*5)
a = a + '6'
a = a[::-1]
...
isnt this missing a = a + '1' for add another line
minor fiber
yes
i did copy the wrong one my bad
//[number] is the input, [n] is the output
n = "2" + number;
n += "9";
n += "1";
n *= 5;
n += "6";
n = n.split('').reverse().join('');
n = n.replaceAll('2', '3');
n *= 9;
n += "2";
n += "4";
n = "17" + n;
from dystakruul
can also optimize it by doing n += "91" instead of 2 lines
and n+="24"
astral panther
yeah but 2 lines is faithful to the lyrics
rose sparrow
I still don't think the interpretation of "add another line" as n += "1" is correct
I think that lyric should be ignored, it gets you much closer to the distorted numbers when you do
astral panther
it works with these though
tired wind
we also did fix the keys text without using the secret number, although we fulfilled "applying", "cipher.numbers1", and "all given numbers from cipher.numbers2"
minor fiber
did we test if it changes the results ?
astral panther
it works with these though
if you remove that line the answers dont match up with this
rose sparrow
Have you tried it?
minor fiber
have you tried with a 9 instead of a 1 or with a 10
scarlet quiver
possibly. estonte, what do you think about `inital_number = 2`? we also haven't ...
Fib could be how to get the first line.
201 1321 5831
2+01=21
13+21=34
58+31=89
21, 34, and 89 are part of the Fibonacci sequence.
frail ibex
Does that work with the other numbers in numbers ii?
scarlet quiver
It doesn't on the surface. I suspect there's a secret Fibonacci function where you enter 2 and it will generate:
201 1321 5831
723 743 4913
879 875 2145
716 906 4156
Our job is to reverse engineer it.
frail ibex
Hmm
scarlet quiver
For example, f(2)=201, f(201)=1321, f(1321) = 5831. It functions like an elliptical curve.
frail ibex
Maybe initial_number=2 means start with the 2nd (or 3rd code-wise) number in a sequence? Rather than using the actual number 2
Like an index number
Cuz "initial" implies it'll increment/decrement or at least change somehow
robust scaffold
well if we consider "initial_number=2" related to "start with number 2" the number will change following number 1 instructions
I checked the number1 algorithm just in case and found missing wihout void (that may indicate our formula wrong ?? or just some video effects)
collecting thoses digit in encounter order gave me 257773599. Parsed to number1 transformer give 1759039979199479924 of char length 19. nothing usable but still strange
minor fiber
yes numbers went missing due to distortion
heady quiver
hasty vale
wait, those are notes, damn
minor fiber
if there is sevral lines there can be replaced by sevral numbers
example 2145 last symbol is 24
heady quiver
if there is a line or 3 lines above a number, it means to place a number before it
and that number is different for each line
b and the music note means to replace it with a number which is also different for each line
i made a table of those numbers of each line
minor fiber
yes we can see your image
heady quiver
i though pfc wanted clarification
minor fiber
we made the algorythm to find these numbers tho
//[number] is the input, [n] is the output
n = "2" + number;
n += "9";
n += "1";
n *= 5;
n += "6";
n = n.split('').reverse().join('');
n = n.replaceAll('2', '3');
n *= 9;
n += "2";
n += "4";
n = "17" + n;
yeah but the fact the distortion following a patern may mean that there is an hiden sequence
scarlet quiver
It's confirmation if you can find the same numbers with different methods.
minor fiber
thats good but we can't solve the lyrics with distortion
heavy wave
i've been doing the same thing and found that skipped/replaced digits are just taken from input number (201, 1321, etc), heres the algo:
all occuruences of 1st digit are deleted, then dash added on top of digit following to deleted. If deleted digit is the last, dash added on top of empty place like in 4913 and 4156.
all occuruences of 2nd digit replaced with b
all occuruences of 3rd digit replaced with musical note with three dashes on top
all occurrences of 4th digit are deleted, three dashes are added on top of digit following to deleted
so seems like these digits can't give any additional info
gritty fractal
```
//[number] is the input, [n] is the output
n = "2" + number;
n += "9";
n += ...
Why both string and numerical operations?
minor fiber
which line ?
gritty fractal
Overall. Rusty on my python (may be misreading), but why append string numerics instead of summing them?
frail ibex
Wouldn't make sense for lines like "17 is first, yeah"
gritty fractal
Yes, yes. I understand for some of the operations, but why all of them?
Save for the multiplication, that is
minor fiber
true, the person that did this python reverse engineered the example we were given to find out which operation were done.
in the lyrics it tells us to "add" we never were sure on it being numerical sum or string concat, seems that concat match and give coherent result
in lyrics it says "multiply" and we don't really have much choice
gritty fractal
Ah, just going by reasonable assumption. Makes sense. I'm going to try to make my own program for a few of these things in a language im more familiar with so wanted to double check I was understanding right
minor fiber
can always help, from the clues we got it seems we are needing to get a string of size 32
gritty fractal
Anyway, right after Public Static void came out I was here for a bit then had to leave. What main things have been discovered?
gritty fractal
can always help, from the clues we got it seems we are needing to get a string o...
Curious
minor fiber
i try many numbers and number of size 22 seems to lead to a result string of 32
frail ibex
Sorry I'm out of the loop, why do we need a string of 32?
minor fiber
Anyway, right after Public Static void came out I was here for a bit then had to...
from the video we got some text about a program that take a number and generate keys
from these keys we found the algorithm the program use so we can create keys
we also got from the spectrogram of the video clues about the 1st video cipher being encrypted in 256bits meaning a key of 32 is needed
and the 2nd video cipher is of 128bits meaning 16 size key
gritty fractal
We still assuming that the keys are AES?
gritty fractal
Any ideas on how 'secret_number' is used?
minor fiber
but the clues about 256 and 128 might infer aes
minor fiber
Any ideas on how 'secret_number' is used?
it is the number we give the python to create a key
gritty fractal
Like each of the numbers in numbers II?
minor fiber
this number most likely come from the original video since the algorithm is created from the lyrics
gritty fractal
Like each of the numbers in numbers II?
Like, are we assuming that the pseudocode effectively evaulates to:
cipher.numbers2.Array().ForEach(v => cipher.numbers1(v))
instead of
cipher.numbers2.Array().ForEach(v => cipher.numbers1(v, secret_number))
correct
gritty fractal
Alright. This just an assumption or do we have clues to this?
minor fiber
we tested with the python script which doesn't have any secret_number and got coherent results on the dataset
gritty fractal
Yup, checks out. I just like to try to implement all likely options in my code if possible so I can see what they all produce 
minor fiber
make sense
graceful mulchBOT
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rose sparrow
Like, are we assuming that the pseudocode effectively evaulates to:
```cs
cipher...
because there's only one argument to the function in the screenshot? you're asking for clues there's only one argument, but I see no clue there's actually two arguments
minor fiber
tbf there could be a secondary declaration of the method
gritty fractal
because there's only one argument to the function in the screenshot? you're aski...
Its just what I first thought when looking at the pseudocode. I'm not fully convinced there's two, but the way its written it's what I'd assume.
rose sparrow
Its just what I first thought when looking at the pseudocode. I'm not fully conv...
what part of the way it's written makes you assume that?
rose sparrow
tbf there could be a secondary declaration of the method
I mean there could be a setVedalIsAFemboy() function for all we know
minor fiber
there got to be
gritty fractal
tbf there could be a secondary declaration of the method
yeah, to me it'd look like they basically did an extension on whatever the key is store in, int or otherwise. So you'd do 1.Encode(3), for example. Because when I'd write similar pseudocode the parameter may be assumed by context, it doesn't have to be specified. Because a parameter is explicitly defined that doesn't seem to share context with the implicitly defined one my brain says that there are two. It's just something I'll test if it makes sense just in case, since there is always a (very small) chance I'm right.
rose sparrow
anyway I see lots of people making a theory, and then assuming the absence of any clues refuting their theory as proof that it's viable, but that will just result in going down a lot of dead ends
minor fiber
so far i got
- 1219202204272023572943 -> 17590325721839956817099621540924
- 0527201904272023572943 -> 17590325721839956822310572670924
- 2705201927042023572943 -> 17590325721839912183210571779924
- 1912202227042023572943 -> 17590325721839912177999149310924
no plain text came from these, i used 2 dates and 572943
gritty fractal
Mhm. As I see it there isn't much proof in one way or another (though one variable giving relative results makes sense is somewhat proof in and of itself). If I can think of a way to do it, I'll implement it just to be safe 
gritty fractal
```
//[number] is the input, [n] is the output
n = "2" + number;
n += "9";
n += ...
Whats up with n += "9"; n += "1";
nvm misread some stuff
though actually it still applies somewhat. Where does the 1 come in?
minor fiber
refers to the lyrcis "add another 9" "add another line"
1 often is written as a single vertical line
also because of the keyword "another" it is assumed the number need to already have a 9 and 1
gritty fractal
Yup, got as much. And makes sense.
minor fiber
another interpretation of "line" was 10, being \n, but we tried and the results didn't match the dataset, another one was "line" being just "nine" but misheard, tried and again no match of the dataset
gritty fractal
fair enough
rose sparrow
So lots of people assumed 1st here referred to Numbers1 and 2nd refers to Numbers2, but we still don't fully understand what this implies
the only clue that 2nd actually points to the numbers2 video is the fact that part of its description shows up below it
gritty fractal
2 encryption runs makes sense, but the numbers II desc being included doesn't make much sense in that scenario tbh
minor fiber
the descriptions, since nb2 description is also visible in the spectogram
so maybe only the nb2 desc has 2 encryptions runs ?
rose sparrow
Perhaps the [BINARY] means the 1st video will decrypt to a file while the 2nd will decrypt to text
might even be an executable, since that is often referred to as a binary
gritty fractal
Though I suppose it could also be seen as the result of 1, and then 2, giving the nb2 desc. That doesn't make sense unless we were generating a fixed/unencrypted version, or maybe the key for it. (Not to convinced on this idea, just spitballing)
graceful mulchBOT
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gritty fractal
woah cool
minor fiber
if it's binary we might need to check for magic bytes then ?
rose sparrow
Indeed, on the decrypted result
gritty fractal
Yeah. It could be binary of text, too, depending. Though because that introduces codecs its less likely
rose sparrow
text on a computer is always binary
minor fiber
everything on a computer is binary 
gritty fractal
well... yes, but technically in programs its stored somewhat differently. It's a whole thing, and because of codecs you can get different binary from the same string
rose sparrow
you mean character encodings
gritty fractal
Yeh
rose sparrow
for english text it will pretty much always be the same, because every unicode encoding uses the same character points for standard english characters as ASCII
gritty fractal
There's always Latin1 and Big endian, which are somewhat used, not to mention the padding created in UTF8 vs UTF16 etc
Its more likely to just be binary of some executable, or maybe a video/audio thing.
rose sparrow
There's something wrong though, because if 256-bit refers to the key/chunk size then there's a problem
the numbers1 description decodes to 1040 bytes, which doesn't fit a 32-byte key/chunk size
If it was 256-bit encryption that I would've expected the encrypted data to be 1056 bytes
It is much more likely that 128-bit encryption was used for numbers1
gritty fractal
yeah, to me it'd look like they basically did an extension on whatever the key i...
I take this all back. I didn't realize how cleanly the string algorithm lined up. I knew it matched, but I didn't think it matched nearly as much as it does.
rose sparrow
both numbers1 and numbers2 line up with 128-bit encryption, so that does give some credibility to the theory that 1st/2nd aren't referring to the videos but the encryption cycles
So encryption of the data was done with 256-bit encryption first and 128-bit encryption second
rose sparrow
Which means each video would need 384-bits worth of key data
If we assume the numbers we have decoded represent 64-bit numbers we have 12 * 64 = 768-bits worth of key data
Which is exactly double the amount we need, which makes sense since we need to decrypt two pieces of data
of course the question is, how do we combine the numbers we got into the 128-bit and 256-bit keys?
gritty fractal
Could the neuro placement in numbers two have anything to do with it?
that'd be my first guess
rose sparrow
I would've expected more variation in the placement if that were the case
gritty fractal
True, but what if we were to assume that they were sequentially combined where the neuro on top means 128-key, and neuro on bottom means 256-key (for example, highly doubt this works out)
rose sparrow
Oh btw, for this 2-cycle decryption thing to work we need to assume padding was used during the 128-bit encryption cycle
rose sparrow
hmmm, using DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== as a 128-bit encryption key decrypts Numbers1 and Numbers2 to 992 and 1248 bytes respectively with valid padding
Given that 992 and 1248 bytes both align to a 256-bit encryption this is almost too much of a coincidence
tired wind
I think you're probably doing something right. We haven't fully fulfilled the "applying cipher.numbers1(secret_number)...", because of secret_number.
gritty fractal
Like, are we assuming that the pseudocode effectively evaulates to:
```cs
cipher...
see ^ @tired wind
theres a discussion around it there if you'd like
rose sparrow
pretty sure "secret" number is just the numbers in Numbers2, but a lot of people seem to disagree with that
tired wind
So lots of people assumed 1st here referred to Numbers1 and 2nd refers to Number...
Yes, you are right. All this is saying is we have 2 blocks that are distinct
gritty fractal
Yes, you are right. All this is saying is we have 2 blocks that are distinct
I thought so two, but without secret_number the algorithim lines up so cleanly already
rose sparrow
He was referring to the spectrogram, not the console output
tired wind
I'm under the impression that:
cipher.numbers2.array() refers to 201, 1321, 5831, etc
cipher.numbers1 would refer to the 17*24 numbers
Based on how the video was sequenced, it suggests that we get the distorted key text as the output of whatever was done
Are we meant to reverse engineer the secret_number?
gritty fractal
I'm under the impression that:
cipher.numbers2.array() refers to 201, 1321, 5831...
check out this rq
tired wind
I was the one who inputted some of the existing info into the docs
gritty fractal
I'm under the impression that:
cipher.numbers2.array() refers to 201, 1321, 5831...
It already shows how the distorted keys are recreated?
The script on there doesn't require a secret number to get the exact same values
rose sparrow
Yeah we already knew the keys
We didn't need any additional numbers other than following the numbers1 algorithm
gritty fractal
It already shows how the distorted keys are recreated?
The script on there doesn...
the script on the docs does forget to prepend 17 at the end, but besides that its right
sacred ruin
anything new since i went to sleep?
tired wind
Yes I agree, we know all the keys. But we don't know secret number. If we were able to create keys without secret_number, and the instructions -> keys, then keys -> instructions + secret_number
gritty fractal
I don't understand
rose sparrow
Yes I agree, we know all the keys. But we don't know secret number. If we were a...
The music video very clearly shows the console output from running cipher.numbers1(secret_number) on the ciper.numbers2.array(), seems pretty obvious that it's printing out the input parameters in the left column, those are the secret_numbers. Additionally by running those numbers through the numbers1 algorithm we got the same result as the right column minus the distortion.
tired wind
I see, that makes sense
Yeah, makes more sense than what I had in my head. Was under the impression that there were three ciphers involved
rose sparrow
hmmm, what if the b is not distortion, but a clue how we should interpret "matching all the letters"
scarlet quiver
👀
gritty fractal
Possibly. The noticed overlap with the original numbers and their order is definitely not a coincidence, the question is just what is it for, and how is it used.
tired wind
Matching all the letters of what though? A sliding window on the base64-like strings?
rose sparrow
Like this
Still, I have no idea what to do with this, as there is no way to interpret it as a 256-bit encryption key
gritty fractal
Can the converted list be converted to hex to give any reasonable/useful output?
rose sparrow
I mean you can go from hex back to decimal yeah
First number would be 3507009319836068
sacred ruin
theres been some cool progress
just a reminder this vid has everything we need to decode, dont give up now
or do
rose sparrow
Or vedal simply plans to milk this for months, he's enjoying seeing our descent into schizo
rose sparrow
he'll drip feed us clues, but will stop short of giving us enough to solve it 
shrewd trench
neuro can speak japanese
LOOORE
I still refuse to believe this is Neuro
sacred ruin
yes its not her voice
astral panther
neuro can speak japanese
that didnt sound like neuro
sacred ruin
but its the tts that vedal uses
astral panther
its 2 voices, neither of which are her
sacred ruin
but if one tts can speak japanese, so can the other
burnt coral
Neuro can speak Japanese because karaoke
burnt coral
Neuro can speak Japanese because karaoke
But it's her singing model
Also, the start of psv is numbers 2 song
The piano part
scarlet quiver
175903 100 9924
175903 1594 0924
175903 5673 7924
175903 246 7924
175903 255 7924
175903 6888 7924
175903 940 6924
175903 760 6924
175903 4330 9924
175899 367 7924
175898 918 6924
175899 3832 7924
100 1594 5673
246 255 6888
940 760 4330
367 918 3832
If you start with numbers instruction and remove first six digits and last 4 digits, you end in a loop constantly generating keys.
gritty fractal
elaborate?
scarlet quiver
If we reverse this, the secret_number would lead to 201.
201 1321 5831
723 743 4913
879 875 2145
716 906 4156
gritty fractal
those are just the numbers from numbers II?
scarlet quiver
those are just the numbers from numbers II?
Yes.
warm finch
Yes.
i would probably say the secret number relates to something from numbers 1, but im not quite sure atm
gritty fractal
yeah, thats been established
wait no misread
secret number is related to numbers II
warm finch
oh ig im probably just behind on the lore
scarlet quiver
The lyrics imply she's stuck in an infinite loop generating keys. We have to find a number that get her out of the loop.
Counting all the days, it’s been so damn long.
Finding all these numbers.
How long will I keep this up?
Some please help me fill the rest.
Someone pull me out of this.
Never ending life still stuck in loop.
gritty fractal
Like, are we assuming that the pseudocode effectively evaulates to:
```cs
cipher...
not exactly lore, but this
strange hollow
Uhhh sorry to interrupt but anyone got a compilation of clues for new people to catch up or do I have to read the 2 threads to compile them
gritty fractal
The lyrics imply she's stuck in an infinite loop generating keys. We have to fi...
Interesting idea. Don't know how accurate it might be, because taking away the first 6 chars and last 4 doesn't feel right, kinda arbitrary
gritty fractal
Uhhh sorry to interrupt but anyone got a compilation of clues for new people to ...
There are the docs, if thats what you want https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qm6GSRlstTmjbyOFCuH1OhSmPK4pi4Aa
strange hollow
There are the docs, if thats what you want https://drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Yeah thanks
warm finch
not exactly lore, but this
oh ok i think i understand
scarlet quiver
Interesting idea. Don't know how accurate it might be, because taking away the f...
Taking out the digits come from "remove xy + odd-one out."
gritty fractal
howd you get first 6 and last 4 from that?
gritty fractal
of course the question is, how do we combine the numbers we got into the 128-bit...
this seems much more likely imo
scarlet quiver
howd you get first 6 and last 4 from that?
"Start with x. End with y. Remove xy+odd-one out."
scarlet quiver
The numbers start with x digits and end with y digits. Remove x and y digits to leave odd digits.
175903 100 9924
175903 1594 0924
175903 5673 7924
175903 246 7924
175903 255 7924
175903 6888 7924
175903 940 6924
175903 760 6924
175903 4330 9924
175899 367 7924
175898 918 6924
175899 3832 7924
gritty fractal
the repatition is because of the encoding algorithim
It adds digits to the beginning and end of the number quite frequently
thus why the beginning and end match a lot
gritty fractal
```
//[number] is the input, [n] is the output
n = "2" + number;
n += "9";
n += ...
javascript impl
scarlet quiver
Yes. My idea is that the keys are like keys generated for video games. They repeat. It's like a pseudo-random generator.
gritty fractal
There can't be random, its encryption. If it used random you couldn't decrypt it
scarlet quiver
The cyphertext are encrypted. I'm saying the instructions can be reversed to get the key.
gritty fractal
We already have code to encrypt and decrypt?
scarlet quiver
If you go forward, it never ends. If you go backward, you can get the key.
gritty fractal
that does not make sense
scarlet quiver
Maybe I should post in the other arg. I'm connecting lyrics as clues to find the keys.
gritty fractal
Yes, I get that, I don't get how you're getting what you're getting. Or what it is exactly, that you're getting
scarlet quiver
This arg thread is for raw cooking. They're not well-done so that's why you're confused.
graceful mulchBOT
@scarlet quiver has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)
gritty fractal
Still, I have no idea what to do with this, as there is no way to interpret it a...
Did you ever try just using consecutive numbers?
gritty fractal
This arg thread is for raw cooking. They're not well-done so that's why you're ...
I've been doing "raw cooking" in here too...
gritty fractal
If you go forward, it never ends. If you go backward, you can get the key.
Wait, think I might be starting to understand. But how would you go backwards? From my (tentative) understanding wouldn't you need to know the surrounding numbers already?
scarlet quiver
Brute force starting from nothing until you get 201. Once you get the initial number, see if there's a meaning or pattern to get the other numbers.
gritty fractal
Give me a moment I'll write that up since I already have the code needed for that, just in case. I still don't quite understand but might as well
gritty fractal
Brute force starting from nothing until you get 201. Once you get the initial n...
got 1759032017924
Its 423 encoded
423 has no matches
scarlet quiver
Could you do this for the rest of the numbers?
201 1321 5831
723 743 4913
879 875 2145
716 906 4156
gritty fractal
Mind formatting them like this { x, y, z... } for me rq while I prepare it to be able to do taht
scarlet quiver
Sure.
scarlet quiver
Mind formatting them like this `{ x, y, z... }` for me rq while I prepare it to ...
{201,1321,5831,723,743,4913,879,875,2145,716,906,4156}
gritty fractal
thank you
(removed to avoid crowding chat as much, #1112401279680008242 message has a basically identical list with less newlines)
gritty fractal
(removed to avoid crowding chat as much, https://discord.com/channels/5747205358...
1758992840924
134
1758992849924
334
1758992246924
992
``` match output when ran on those numbersIt seems like it goes on a few more times if you want me to keep chasing it
2 more times
scarlet quiver
Could you format them like
201 1759032017924 423?
gritty fractal
uh sure give me a second, that'll take a bit more work
scarlet quiver
Thanks. I just want to be sure.
gritty fractal
879 1758988799924 226
906 1758989069924 284
906 1758989069924 286
201 1759032017924 423
723 1759037237924 593
201 1759032017924 623
723 1759037237924 793
1321 17589913217924 4390
4156 17589941567924 5218
1321 17589913217924 6390
4156 17589941567924 7218
4913 17589949136924 8198```I fixed the duplication errors, they occur because 4 and 6s tend to get mixed up sometimes. technically not fixed just outputting a not broken version but yeah
scarlet quiver
There should be twelve. Did they repeat?
gritty fractal
No, if its not shown there wasn't a match
scarlet quiver
I see.
gritty fractal
I fixed the duplication errors, they occur because 4 and 6s tend to get mixed up...
It seems like this is a quirk of the encryption method though, not of my code
scarlet quiver
4-digits should appear, but let me look to see if there's a pattern.
gritty fractal
Oh I accidentally removed them appearing, good catch I'll redo it and edit the message
I have to do em a little different
scarlet quiver
Nice. This is much better. I'm saving it.
gritty fractal
Should I run it again on the output?
graceful mulchBOT
You have unlocked new role
gritty fractal
clever lintel
You have unlocked new role
gritty fractal
Should I run it again on the output?
The more I run it on the output the more distorted it gets from 4-6 confusion @scarlet quiver
scarlet quiver
That's very interesting. Can you show some sample?
gritty fractal
This is two passes after 534 1759035347924 569 534 1759035347924 769 134 1758991346924 990 9042 17589890420924 1644 9042 17589890420924 1646 9042 17589890420924 1664 9042 17589890420924 1666 9042 17589890429924 3644 9042 17589890429924 3646 9042 17589890429924 3664 9042 17589890429924 3666 9062 17589890627924 4084 9062 17589890627924 4086 9062 17589890627924 6084 9062 17589890627924 6086 8680 17590386806924 8517 8680 17590386806924 8717
scarlet quiver
Maybe run until one stand out?
gritty fractal
It also seems that 5s and 7s can get confused too given that otutput.
scarlet quiver
This is two passes after ```534 1759035347924 569
534 1759035347924 769
134 1758...
Are you still running it?
gritty fractal
Ye
8 passes so far
only interesting thing is pass 6 had only one match, pass 7 had 4
scarlet quiver
Keep going. 
gritty fractal
10 passes excluding the first one. I'll keep going ig
scarlet quiver
It might be something. 906 is the odd one out.
gritty fractal
one moment making it full auto since I can't be bothered to do this many passes half manually
It survived 19 passes let me txt-ify them one sec
scarlet quiver
906 1758989069924 284
284 1758992840924 134
134 1758991346924 990
990 1758989906924 868
868 1759038686924 917
917 1758989177924 706
706 1759037066924 953
gritty fractal
hmm
full disclosure I don't think this is it, I think Vices has the right idea, but I had nothing better to do so I ran this through my script
gritty fractal
The script does that, internally
gritty fractal
let me find and reply to the messages by Vices cause I think they're closest
Besides that, we know how to encrypt/decrypt from the encoding shown in public static void
scarlet quiver
full disclosure I don't think this is it, I think Vices has the right idea, but ...
Thanks, anyway. That was fun.
sacred ruin
yeah i was here when that was discovered
gritty fractal
of course the question is, how do we combine the numbers we got into the 128-bit...
this
gritty fractal
Given that 992 and 1248 bytes both align to a 256-bit encryption this is almost ...
and this
gritty fractal
Thanks, anyway. That was fun.
np
sacred ruin
i also know numbers 2 is a 128bit key and numbers 1 is 256bit
dunno if its cbc or ecb
gritty fractal
iirc we don't have confirmation its aes in the first place
gritty fractal
fair
sacred ruin
base85?
its the only thing that resembles this and has a key method
wait wrong shit
kekw
i forgot
wait
have we thought of RSA?
gritty fractal
I wouldn't know
sacred ruin
wait a fucking minute
the hashes could be rsa keys
thing is the size doesnt match
but would have been pretty amazing if it was
rose sparrow
i also know numbers 2 is a 128bit key and numbers 1 is 256bit
Unlikely, neither of the descriptions actually decode to a data size that aligns to a 256-bit key, they're more than likely both 128-bit encrypted
sacred ruin
right
scarlet quiver
It survived 19 passes let me txt-ify them one sec
Could you do the same except forward? I want to see how many passes it survive.
{201,1321,5831,723,743,4913,879,875,2145,716,906,4156}
gritty fractal
Sure gimme a sec
rose sparrow
also, if you use the study javascript key to decrypt them with padding they both succesfully decrypt to a size that does align with a 256-bit key
so multiple rounds of encryption seems likely
minor fiber
so we did get a 16 key from 572943 but did we get anything with from mostly used websites ?
gritty fractal
Could you do the same except forward? I want to see how many passes it survive.
...
actually its guaranteed to go infinite unless it stablizes somewhere
in which case itll go infinite but the numbers will be the same
scarlet quiver
Exactly. I'm interested if it stabilize or repeat a number.
gritty fractal
Give me a moment have to configure maximum passes then so it doesn't fill with errors instead of data
scarlet quiver
Give me a moment have to configure maximum passes then so it doesn't fill with e...
gritty fractal
<:okay:586958809055100940>
355 forward passes, here you go (If I do more my terminal stops caching the lines so I can't get a full history so only 355)
quite a few stabilize at 1, others at 181.
Turns out 989 is a stable loop. 989 -> 544 -> 935 -> 787 -> 453 -> 669 -> 489 -> 498 -> 448 -> 989
scarlet quiver
My hypothesis was that forward is infinite, but backward converges. 906 is the number.
gritty fractal
sacred ruin
turns out the numbers 1 cipher + numbers 2 cipher is 3076 bits long
RSA can have a key of 3072 bits
if we take off the padding we get 3073
snow crystal
3076 bits long
we do? isn't it bytes?
gritty fractal
355 forward passes, here you go (If I do more my terminal stops caching the line...
@scarlet quiver with this information I confirmed that all numbers become stable on pass 49, if you're still curious. The first stabilization occurs on pass 8
thorny bolt
any progress?
astral panther
1759032572147924
scarlet quiver
That's it. Could you go backward and forward for 572943? @gritty fractal
minor fiber
so after doing a few 32 bit keys the only numbers that doesn't change much are 175903...924
dang that interesting if the number is even we get the 589 alteration but if it's odd we keep the 590
gritty fractal
That's it. Could you go backward and forward for 572943? <@373597793954299904>
one moment rewriting some stuff
gritty fractal
That's it. Could you go backward and forward for 572943? <@373597793954299904>
Forward terminates on pass 103, backwards on pass 0
backwards may be wrong one second
scarlet quiver
Forward terminates on pass 103, backwards on pass 0
Very interesting. Do we brute force all numbers that terminates backward on pass 0?
gritty fractal
it was incorrect, but it still terminates on pass 0
gritty fractal
Very interesting. Do we brute force all numbers that terminates backward on pass...
That sounds like a pain. And quite a few of them do. I mean, you can get a number that terminates on pass 0 by getting the numbers of the final pass.
scarlet quiver
My idea still stands. It's a number that goes forward infinitely but stops backward. Even if we find the number, how does it lead to a 256-bit key?
minor fiber
it's not a 256 bit key
scarlet quiver
That sounds like a pain. And quite a few of them do. I mean, you can get a numbe...
Thanks again. You actually implemented my idea into code.
sacred ruin
might make a website with all the tools we're making
i feel like this arg will last
something about this slow pace of giving clues and us not solving anything is enough evidence
tired wind
might make a website with all the tools we're making
this is a good idea
gritty fractal
Thanks again. You actually implemented my idea into code. <:neuroPray:1108327370...
I had most of the code already 
gritty fractal
I have a domain if we want to host it on that
sacred ruin
start dming me the programs you did and how they work because i gotta javascript them
🤮
is this what my 2 years of experience are for
for this arg
gritty fractal
🤮
feel that. All my tools are in c# since I love myself (but only slightly more then condeming myself to javascript, its c#)
sacred ruin
I have a domain if we want to host it on that
ill ask promote he has a cooler url
scarlet quiver
If you share the code, I'm sure we can find someone to brute force it.
gritty fractal
I have two, https://numra.net and https://inconspicuous.dev
sacred ruin
promote has a neuro url
gritty fractal
saftey at last is having a field day with my links
gritty fractal
promote has a neuro url
really? thats so cool
gritty fractal
saftey at last is having a field day with my links
Given that one of those links has literally nothing and the other is an immediate redirect it'll probably get pretty confused pretty fast on them.
gritty fractal
i understand enough c#
this is the bulk of what I've done https://gist.github.com/CoolandonRS/71faa0cb1332252bae7da26d511abf55
I've done slightly more but nothing too too helpful besides this
The forwards and backwards stuff is from @scarlet quiver's thingy ma doodle
gritty fractal
fair enough
snow crystal
there's pfp's tool https://github.com/sby1bd/simple-decrypt
gritty fractal
there's pfp's tool https://github.com/sby1bd/simple-decrypt
my tool is just numbers_solver from that repo but with c#, decryption, and the forwards backwards thing
snow crystal
just combine everything everyone made and turn it into a custom version of CyberChef 
sacred ruin
keke
gritty fractal
just combine everything everyone made and turn it into a custom version of Cyber...
can't you add custom cyberchef modules?
sacred ruin
the website would have our progress
gritty fractal
tis client side only
sacred ruin
mhm
minor fiber
add a JS sandbox
gritty fractal
oh misunderstood
sacred ruin
im hoping to integrate a bot that allows us to send progress and etc
or what we're doing
gritty fractal
of what species?
sacred ruin
discord bot
gritty fractal
discord?
gritty fractal
ah, curious
sacred ruin
=progress add "nothing"
minor fiber
i do remenber people asking for a bot that respond to people asking for progress
gritty fractal
You could use git as a backend for progress tbh
sacred ruin
well a bot would be easier
- what amarok said
ill do the website first
then ill ask for the bot
gritty fractal
No, for backend. You'd still do =progress add "nothing" but its stored in git
minor fiber
sad that the bot system changed now you cant scan every message anymore
sacred ruin
althought its probably a hard no
sacred ruin
sad that the bot system changed now you cant scan every message anymore
you can
dunno what you're talking about
minor fiber
i though the bots only use the command system now no ?
minor fiber
nice they still didn't change that
gritty fractal
althought its probably a hard no
you'd probably be more likely if it only had slash commands and send messages perms and do it that way, cause there's no real potential for harm at that point (assuming it doesn't spam, in which case it can just be banned )
sacred ruin
oh i had a bot here
gritty fractal
oh really?
sacred ruin
its not about trust
gritty fractal
cool
minor fiber
yea bots can just log everymessage ever written and there is no way of knowing
gritty fractal
i mean i can ask vedal but
Just ask vedal for the solution to the arg, no need for bot
minor fiber
we can try to list what the website need
-
decrypt aes fonction ? give key it try the list of IVs we have from popular site, it try 128/256
-
ibrary of the tools we got
hasty vale
are you having a stroke
sacred ruin
good idea pfc
minor fiber
me ? yes
sacred ruin
stroke detector
minor fiber
sleep deprive check with a scoreboard
storm kraken
What do you think, can we bf it? If we know that much?
minor fiber
bf what ?
sacred ruin
smh
storm kraken
lol
hasty vale
i will try to write a bruteforcing script for 10^6, i just dont really know which cipher to use, this one #1112401279680008242 message?
storm kraken
I did 10^12 in 16 hours and 10^6 in 1 minute
minor fiber
if you want to bruteforce the ranges of known numbers are
- 175903...924 (odd number passed through the lyrics)
- 175893...924 (even number passed through the lyrics)
but if its 256 the bruteforce not gonna be doable
just fill in the "..." with your random numbers
gritty fractal
if you want to bruteforce the ranges of known numbers are
- 175903...924 (odd ...
Whats the advantage of this instead of generating random numbers and then encoding them?
gritty fractal
The known numbers range looks like the numbers encryption, though
minor fiber
which encryption ? the Base64 ??
snow crystal
but what are you gonna check the decryption results from the bruteforce with? if we assume that there are two rounds of encryption does it still make sense to check for utf decode after only one round?
gritty fractal
this is the bulk of what I've done https://gist.github.com/CoolandonRS/71faa0cb1...
no this
storm kraken
This is what I have on me right now, the IV used same as the key. 50 to 60 and so on, means from 175000000...24 To 17600000....24
But it's for the study short code
So idk if it works for numbers 1
minor fiber
the hints we got were 256 bit binary meaning if it's really 256 bits itwon't be bruteforced, but someone said it's too small for 256 ?
also if we get binary then we need to check for magic byte iirc
snow crystal
but someone said it's too small for 256
I think Vices said it could be 256-bit into 128-bit AES. Maybe the "binary" could mean that the intermediate result is "just" binary and you only get something sensible after doing both rounds
minor fiber
so i googled really quick aes and binary, it seems sql function AES_ENCRYPT and AES_DECRYPT return binary
these [] seems very familiar
tired wind
Referring to the spectrogram, if 1st is binary 256bit, can we say that 2nd could be cleartext 128bit?
shell heron
oh my god
are people actually saying that my interpretation of the algorithm produces results that are "close" to the shown numbers
minor fiber
imo it's the exact numbers
shell heron
all numbers I checked match perfectly. 100%
what is there to argue about
minor fiber
i tried and change some parameter each change keep giving wrong number meaning the algorithm is good the way it is
shell heron
numbers have to end with "24"
a symbol can replace a digit
a symbol above a digit replaces a digit before it
minor fiber
yea people wanted to solve it without reverse engineer i guess
shell heron
all numbers start with "17"
b's are also just symbols that replace digits
but.... the whole mini-puzzle was about reverse engineering it??
graceful mulchBOT
@shell heron has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)
shell heron
wasn't that the point?
sacred ruin
yep
minor fiber
i guess you just outsmarted it
sacred ruin
we're able to figure out the missing numbers
minor fiber
no denying that it was a perfect solution
shell heron
I think it's pretty much the only way you can solve it
I also intentionally picked a number that had only one corruption outside of the "17" and "24"
and it turned out that the instructions were just the simple ones
minor fiber
yea idk what they did with their solution
shell heron
sorry about being kinda weird rn, but reading the chat history and docs makes me kinda mad
for people arguing about stuff I solved that fits perfectly
minor fiber
and it turned out that the instructions were just the simple ones
still good that we got a confirmation, since the start of the ARG we got a lot of setbac because of uncertainty but now it's clear the simplest interpretation of the lyrics were just the answers
minor fiber
sorry about being kinda weird rn, but reading the chat history and docs makes me...
oh yea i understand 100%
hasty vale
so are we adding "another line" as 1 or are we not
minor fiber
yes
i tried 9 and 10 it gave bad result, 1 give perfect results
i don't know if there is more lyrics interpretation to test tho ?
hasty vale
tbh, "add another one" would've rhymed just fine, why complicate it as a "line"
minor fiber
i thought about that, it might be because of "finding all these numbers"
writing it as line would make it not a number to find
on the doc some people highlighted only the numbers because of "finding all these numbers"
storm kraken
So we need to add fib before 17 or what?
thorny bolt
so is there any documentation on all the progress we made so far?
storm kraken
Did somebody already talked about how many fib numbers appears? 5, 8, 13, 2, 21... A lot
minor fiber
it does appear a lot and i don't know if we use it much
storm kraken
Ah yes somebody talked about it
It seems like the fib appears before the code of 17....24
But there is also numbers which is not fib and still appears
clever lintel
Did somebody already talked about how many fib numbers appears? 5, 8, 13, 2, 21....
Yes, I've seen it several places in the docs
storm kraken
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89,144,233,377,610,987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765, 10946, 17711, 28657, 46368, 75025, 121393, 196418, 317811, 514229, ...
I think this is right
minor fiber
Number 1 video desc as been solved !
#1112082183235047506 message
we found the right key which was 572943 passed through the lyrics but we missed "matching the letters" which was replacing known number - letter pairs
robust scaffold
OMG GG
void sky
Now we go for numbers 2?
minor fiber
yes
gloomy cedar
It is probably safe to assume now that the solution to II is entirely within the video, since the first was able to be solved that way.
graceful mulchBOT
@gloomy cedar has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)
minor fiber
the first was solvable with only info within it
study wasnt tho since the phone number used the key from numbers
gloomy cedar
Yeah, I'm annoyed by that.
void sky
Hm. So the list of numbers from numbers 2 wasn't used to get the key for numbers 1?
gloomy cedar
nope, they were used to tell us we were doing the math right though.
minor fiber
it was use to give us examples of how the lyrics works
void sky
So do we still think that they are meaningful for numbers 2?
minor fiber
numbers 2 seems to have a different solution so prehaps
clever lintel
Hm. So the list of numbers from numbers 2 wasn't used to get the key for numbers...
No, they were only used to verify that we understood the algorithm correctly -- it's the same numbers that appeared again in Public Static Void.
random drift
I love how far we missed the mark in the numbers doc
minor fiber
not that far
random drift
not in terms of how far from the solution, but I mean how far we went with all the things we tried
random drift
in retrospect, this made things so much better in terms of memes and SCHIZO content
the slander video wouldn't exist if we easily solved Numbers
minor fiber
we were close to it at start, but then we kinda went to more wild ideas
void sky
Where can I find the slander video?
random drift
minor fiber
first part of the desc for number II as been decrypted, second part still remain
heavy field
??
tired wind
to complete this, what would be the odd one out?
minor fiber
879 is odd one out
heavy field
why?
clever lintel
imagine reading the docs
minor fiber
yes you can try all of them if you want
scarlet quiver
No need to bruteforce found the key.
3455861094181771
I think I found something that might work... I've been training her with my own consciousness... to fill in all the gaps. It's the only thing that's missing. I'm sure it'll work! My roommate thinks I'm crazy, mixing together two people's consciousness??? But I'm out of options, I don't know what else to do... I've already been through enough. It's almost- hold on... D'``@p>\Z549E10SRQQ>=<;o9[6(E&g$d"cxv_)\xqYutm3TSohgle+ihgfH%]E[Y^W{UZSXWPUTMq43ImM/EiCHG@EDCB;987<;:9810Tu3,10).'K%$H(!g%${A!~}{t:xqpon4lkjoh.fN+ihg_^$bD^W{>=YXQuO7SLKJnHGLKJIBAeED&B;?!=654Xyx6/St,+Op.'K+$)(!EfeBc!x>_uzyrq7XWsl2ponmfN+ihJIedcb[!YA]VUZYXQut7MRKJIHl/EJIBAFE>baN
is that someone knocking on the door??
gritty fractal
No need to bruteforce found the key.
3455861094181771
I think I found something...
wrap it with ``` so discord doesn't use the characters as formatting
scarlet quiver
Numbers 2 Solved
I don't want to become an engineer. I feel so exhausted... three more years just to waste away?? It's almost exam season and I don't know how prepared I'll be. I guess we'll wait and see. My little sister hasn't come home yet like she usually does, she's not answering my calls either. It's been days now... Too many things going on at once, these numbers, my brain hurts...
I think I found something that might work... I've been training her with my own consciousness... to fill in all the gaps. It's the only thing that's missing. I'm sure it'll work! My roommate thinks I'm crazy, mixing together two people's consciousness??? But I'm out of options, I don't know what else to do... I've already been through enough. It's almost- hold on...
is that someone knocking on the door??
burnt coral
Numbers 2 Solved
I don't want to become an engineer. I feel so exhausted... thre...
huh??
astral panther
yes
burnt coral
i feel like i accidentally skipped a few seasons
burnt coral
after reading i feel like its vedals monologue about neuro
especially the I think I found something that might work... I've been training her with my own consciousness... to fill in all the gaps. It's the only thing that's missing. I'm sure it'll work! [...] part
like he tried to recreate his little sister who went missing??
heady quiver
i think he said he actually did it to train the inital version of neuro
heady quiver
he got chat data from annys chat and pretended to be the streamer answering chat to train neuro
burnt coral
WAIT THE "I miss her" TEXT IS ABOUT HIS SISTER WHO WENT MISSING
so that picture above the text is probably her sister
astral panther
study-sama = sister?
burnt coral
looks like it
gritty fractal
Neuro just wanted to be smarter so she tried to merge study-sama with herself
burnt coral
probably talking about replacing(????) his sister with neuro
astral panther
should we rename this thread, since numbers has been solved and this is basically just a filtered version with the important information from the main one?
scarlet quiver
It should be called ARG Raw Cooking.
clever lintel
ARG That Other Schizo Thread
woven dove
"Sane Neuro ARG"
brittle plover
should we rename this thread, since numbers has been solved and this is basicall...
I haven't talked much in both threads before but the problem is even though this thread is just the filtered version of the main thread i think making another one and letting this one die out is better because there's already a lot of messages sent on both.
If you guys do make a new one, i recommend it to be read only and messaging is locked to specific ARG members so they post important updates there.
clever lintel
I understand that this is how things are often run in ARGs, but personally, I do not want there to be an exclusive inner circle. This is also why everyone can edit the docs (even though we disagree a lot about how to structure the documents lel)
Though a different thread for focused work when needed is a good idea. It doesn't have to be this thread
blissful hamlet
Is the ARG done?
clever lintel
Not yet. You can check progress here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17KrbPUAVu4wDTbj3sBtWTnjRsjDTCdh89F_5L1LvX0A/edit#
And also, we're more active here: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1112082183235047506
minor fiber
the numbers have been crack so this thread is kinda done but it's still useful is some people want a more calm thread to crack stuff if there is more in the future
burnt coral
dead chat
violet drift
amber cargo
minor fiber
why as it been ressurected
limpid star
Knock off ARG thread huh
tired wind
dead chat<:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100>
i might be schizo but this thread reappeared before fily's message
maybe something was edited/deleted
sacred ruin
the thread was closed for inactivity
but might aswell close it up for good since this has been solved @spark tree
spark tree
Was it?
sacred ruin
yeah numbers is fully solved