Neuro Sama V2 Model Feed Back

[fierce fox]

Anny asked us to give feedback so that she can work on it with Teru, so I hope we can gather all the feedback on the model and animations here.

One thing is that I'd like a more subtle wink animation instead the one rn with a big sway

[spark dawn]

yeah I agree

I think the animations is really cute

but for how much she likes to wink a more subtle might be good

or maybe people are just gonna like know better??

3 hour into the stream I didn't see it as much as in the first 15 min

[naive rover]

If there is hand animation like V1 I didn't see it once

Also there is a lot she could do (from what a saw of her rigging) that wasn't used

[fierce fox]

hand animations are planned, not added yet

[naive rover]

From what she did I love it all, maybe she can keep her cat ears longer

[wary helm]

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[dreamy sedge]

-I think therecould be some idle time between animations(looking at chatbox or something).
-New Neuro looks abit hyperactive for me sometimes, especially when she sings. Maybe I got used to the old ones.
-Also the animations could be abit smoother or slower maybe?
-Also I would love to see Neuro form heart with her hands when she says Heart.
-There could be an animation when she says filtered.
-There could be an animation when she starts a REALLY long monolog which fills up half the screen. Her slowly starts to get grey, or a turtle comes out and check his watch or the background changes slowly into a theatre and people starts sitting in chairs, and when she ends they starts clapping and clapping sound starts.

[wary helm]

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[copper scaffold]

not about the model directly, but the new animations are a bit too intense. it looks like she's bouncing/floating around too much

[remote oasis]

She looks wobbly, less wobbliness would mimic better a real VTuber

Not too stiff or the current state of wobbliness, the perfect balance in between

BUT don't remove her wobbliness while singing, its cute

[dense merlin]

I think using the void toggle when something is filtered would be cool. Maybe she could be emotenless for a few seconds.

[fiery vigil]

I like this, but i think this is up to Vedal

[fresh heath]

I want her 'heart' movement to be similar to the old one

I think it's like she's bowing?

[glacial ether]

Agreed with the above. I like all her movements and her dancing, but right now feels a bit too exaggerated and my eyes can't track her as she's bouncing left and right really fast. Could be toned down 👍

EDIT: one thing I really like with the new model is when her head perks up as she's listening to the TTS, as if she's trying to get a better signal.
things like that are my favorite, less a fan of constant swaying

[dense merlin]

Sometimes her eyes don't shut symetrically. I'm not sure if this is intended, caused by the ai or based in the animations. Maybe Vedal can tell us more in dev stream? 🤔

[fluid birch]

Feedback? Okay! After watching the stream for ~2 hours, here are my two cents:

The good:
Her peaking up for TTS/Bits is incredibly cute and works really well! Also, the binary in the eyes is neat!
The bobbing/swaying during singing is also great! Makes her looks a lot more dynamic.
She is very expressive now! It's a lot of fun watching her look around, change moods etc.

Possible improvements:
The Wink seems a bit overtuned - maybe make the "head wind up" a bit less? Or two versions of it and the more impactful one has a lower probability.
The heart eyes on the other hand seem a bit short; they are hard to notice.
Sometimes it looks like she wants to blink and display an emotion, and ends up with a possessed face? (see image)

But aside from those three things, I can't see anything right now that I would want to improve. It is a really good model! ♥

[fluid birch]

Hmmm, can't post images in a Discord Forum?
Imgur is down in my city, sooo timestamp it is.
02:15:20 Stream VoD when she starts thanking sr_diego

[gentle snow]

those eyebrows

kinda angry looking, is it a look of confidence?

[fresh heath]

very menacing stare

would be scared if we actually trigger Voidsama

[fiery vigil]

[undone lynx]

Trigger starstruck-sama when someone gifts 5 subs or more?

If it happens too frequent you can just up the threshold to 10 or smth

[turbid island]

I think the wink animation seems to be too frequent, although it's cute

[wary helm]

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[undone lynx]

I think its not because the winks are frequent but because its excessive each time you feel like its too much I think

[dapper mountain]

1. The wink too powerful, tone it down a bit, and make wink left/right eye random
2. Heart isnt clearly seen, again i missed the hand movement. But teru already said it comes later.
3. The reading chat/listening TTS binary eyes maybe can be more shiny. Its a really cool effect but cant be clearly seen especially those watch with smartphones.
4. Her cat mode not clearly seen, no tail animations and paw hand animations maybe make it so subtle. Plus she refuses hardly to do it smh lol
5. Her frog head while cute, what triggers it? Or its vedal need to toggle it? I want the frog head a bit bigger tho, maybe with cape. Make it like Umaru cape so it doesnt seem like out of place with her clothes.

Other visual:

1. The male TTS sometimes overlap with neuro speak in auto subs. Plus i liked if theres a form of male TTS avatar, could be her infamous cat.
2. I tought the ending stream is the concert animations like anime ending. But still ended with vedal subs and cut off. I hoped theres a proper stream ender like other vtuber, goodbye from neuro, goodbye and than from vedal + Abandoned Archive and fanart images.
3. A changing background while look refreshing, i still wanted an starting empty room we can filled any furnishing & items with subs and bits so neuro can have her own room, her backyard, her living room etc. Plus giving changing background if we get bored with pink layout. This one is huge amount of work but can enhance experiences. Maybe after the model optimized fully.

[gentle snow]

just noticed this and I agree

[gentle snow]

the 0101010s in the eyes probably need to be bigger

[glacial ether]

I love when her head perks up during the TTS, as if she's trying to get a good signal

[tribal shell]

Hand heart gesture would be adorable

[fresh heath]

a hand gesture animation would be but will probably hard....

[fresh heath]

make her ahoge twitch to catch the voice signals

[livid sigil]

About the winking debate, I like it in contrary. However, perhaps in the future the mix of more subtle ones with more expressive ones could be an option and for example the more expressive ones would appear more rarely, while the subtle ones would occur more often.

[remote oasis]

what if the Ahoge points straight up too (i didn't notice Noex's answer )

[dense merlin]

TTS Voice with Vedals Voice? 🤔

[fresh heath]

the wink is too exaggerated and needs to be toned down for collabs so maybe that can help I think...?

[charred patio]

I saw a clip on yt anny drawing a duck that sits on neuro's head
But i didn't see it on stream
It was very cute

[gentle snow]

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[grizzled bobcat]

I liked pretty much everything except the TTS. It sounds too normie-ish. Maybe Brian would be a better choice since he's practically part of Twitch culture at this point?

[fresh heath]

I also noticed that the tail is not yet included with the cat ears?

[naive rover]

Having a Neko mode is nice and I hope a frog mode will be added

[junior mango]

The tail is just too low to be seen, but she do have a tail

[red lion]

imo there is no need to jump when wink

[rustic hatch]

Since there is this discussion already, ill put it here, I think it'd be a good idea to have an mic actually rigged so she moves it around while singing, the static mic looks a bit weird with her bouncing around

[inland cedar]

Only that she sometimes blinks weird. Like one eye at a time, etc.

[inland cedar]

Clip the mic on her collar, or a headset?

[craggy burrow]

I think make her shake the model up-down/left-right if she agrees or disagrees would be a great improvment

[rustic hatch]

since they wanted to do arms, just make her hold it, kinda like miyune

[stuck raptor]

I don't know if its just me but because of her intense animations during singing, front part of her hair seems like is glued to the rest and not part of it.
I am not sure where exactly source of light is but hair at the top of her head is lighter than front part and because of that there is no connection between them. I am not familiar with with Vtubers models, is this normal?

[glacial ether]

I think she already does this, I see her shake her head whenever she says "not"

[inland cedar]

The way I'm looking at that, is that those two options are easier to make.
The "fade in" animation is more difficult, that actually goes for the arms. You "only" have to raise them.

[rustic hatch]

i mean sure but they already wanted to do arm animations like the little dance v1 does even if it wasnt planned for debut and teru is a really good rigger i doubt he'd have trouble with it, its up to them in the end, its just my feedback, i do think she'd look cuter singing to a mic than with a lapel/headset mic

[inland cedar]

Yes, the arm is better, the headset can be done by Anny alone.

[undone lynx]

an effect add-on for when she is muted?

[gilded tulip]

sorry if anyone had already suggested this, but i suggest maybe add an error code toggle or something like that in Neuro's eye when she says "someone tell Vedal there's a problem with my AI " or maybe when singing songs that have glitch effect such as world.execute(me);

[solid kernel]

for some reason I hallucinated her having cute fangs in her neko mode and now I want them to be real

so, that is my suggestion

also I know Vedal said he wasn't sure about the intensity of her motions while dancing so I wonder if you could have the intensity be subtly based on the waveform of the song so that she moves more during intense sections of the song but a bit less during quiet moments. would probably make more sense than when she just bounces around relentlessly for the entire song regardless of what part its at

[steady torrent]

I was here just to mention that. The issue is without arms, she has a bit of a "bobblehead on a popsicle stick" effect going... this will instantly go away with arm movement. Great work so far.

i think the most important thing for her evolution is the new voice, though. v1 voice feels dated after watching the test streams... as much as chat tried to break v2 voice, it still performs orders of magnitude better than v1 voice.