west wren
https://moxfield.com/decks/I8U6Te1YHkuC95vZpAeNDQ
So I basically cannibalized a Teval precon to get started. I know I made a lot of suboptimal choices based on my collection... But my vision is Permanents Only. Anything I should work towards replacing and what I should add?
sweet wigeon
there arent too much synergy as the limited mill into sin will basically be a single use of reanimating bunch of lands and/or a single non land permanent into play tapped
things come back from grave seems fine, i would probably change up the landfall cards such as removing [[!tireless tracker]]
carmine ivyBOT
sweet wigeon
unless you really care about the clue draws
i think [[!twilight diviner]] is an amazing card, but it dont really trigger with too many things in the deck since it cares about spells/card that entered from grave
carmine ivyBOT
sweet wigeon
so it has no effect on tokens
intended or not, i like how equipments doesnt care about being tapped, so lightning greaves token can give sin the haste it needs to reset the ability the same time it is stuck
the guarantee way of getting exactly what you want into the grave is discard, while the fastest and most efficient way is random self mill
discard (or sacrifice)
so ideally, the deck is better at ramping with lot of lands and getting extra lands into grave, and then sin can reanimate all of them as tokens at once for the exponential payoff
new [[honest rutstein]] should be nice for either side of those, for ramp and permanent recursion
carmine ivyBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
When Honest Rutstein enters, return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
Creature spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
"No questions. No refunds."
3/2
sweet wigeon
[[!kotis sibsig champion]] may share similar problem, with not entering from grave
carmine ivyBOT
sweet wigeon
i got something very janky you can consider
[[riptide chronologist]] +[[life and limb]]
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Creature — Human Wizard
, Sacrifice this creature: Untap all creatures of the creature type of your choice.
The wizard consulted the Riptide Project about how to further his research. He wasn't prepared for what they told him.
1/3
sweet wigeon
its basically [[Village Bell-Ringer]] with extra steps and avoiding the craziest of [[Intruder Alarm]]
sweet wigeon
and by reanimating things into play tapped, you avoided both the casting cost as well as unaffected by not having to tap for sac ability
life and limb can be a double edge sword since it gives lands summoning sickness, works with yavimaya craddle to give all lands, including opponent's that same problem
with [[!colossal grave reaver]] in the 99, can consider enchantment reanimate spells to get those big etb
carmine ivyBOT
sweet wigeon
that way, you dont have to play your commander to get back something from grave
or its a target hit and not entirely random
[[necroplis fiend]] and [[tombstalker]] can turn that randomness into guarantee hit as well
carmine ivyBOT
Creature — Demon
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Flying
, 
, Exile X cards from your graveyard: Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn.
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Creature — Demon
Flying
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
When it ran out of bodies, it broke down the crypt door and sought new sustenance.
5/5
sweet wigeon
i like [[matzalanti the great door]] in this type of theme
carmine ivyBOT
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
, : Transform Matzalantli. Activate only if there are four or more permanent types among cards in your graveyard. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker are permanent types.)The Core
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Matzalantli.)
Fathomless descent — : Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of permanent cards in your graveyard.
Centuries ago, under siege from the Mycotyrant, the Oltec sealed the Core off from the world... until Huatli's party arrived.
sweet wigeon
the flip side is slower but synergize with grave decks
the untapping things is probably the hardest
which i can see potential use of [[krosan restorer]] [[stone seeder hierophant]] or [[aphetto alchemist]] doing wonders
carmine ivyBOT
Creature — Human Druid
: Untap target land.
Threshold — : Untap up to three target lands. Activate only if there are seven or more cards in your graveyard.
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Creature — Human Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, untap this creature.
: Untap target land.
Her touch brings to bare stone what water and sun bring to rich soil.
1/1
Creature — Human Wizard
: Untap target artifact or creature.
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for 
. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
He brews trouble.
1/2
sweet wigeon
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Ainspired&order=edhrec&dir=asc also this weird mechanic
i find [[siren of the silent song]] and [[disciple of deceit]] the most interesting
sweet wigeon
while the commons are just bad
sweet wigeon
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west wren
Interesting suggestions. I'll definitely look towards upgrading in the future
sweet wigeon
yeah for the most part, i would just get rid of the cards that doesnt work well and make room for the important pieces, whenever its lands or something. i think there is a bunch of cycle lands stuff you can do with this commander
