so countering commander deals 2 damage to ruub salt in the wound
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foggy sorrel
deft belfry
dont need it, just how i like a "win con" when my games get too dragged out
only your own commander
foggy sorrel
oh i see
deft belfry
it say creature from your grave leave
foggy sorrel
ah then prolly wont be good here
i could certainly do a major revision to make this aristocrats but atp ill play a differetnt commander
deft belfry
yeah, i think you are aimming for more of a control build
foggy sorrel
certainly
deft belfry
with card advantage overwhelm the table
my problem was game lasting too long so i needed some lazy damage
foggy sorrel
yeah
my couple games with old sygg deck were lowkwy insufferable
i dont like long games personally
foggy sorrel
is why my main deck is a glass cannon xenagos
foggy sorrel
mhm
deft belfry
imo from experience
lot of other things matters too
its the social side of the game
to show respect and value each others time
storm people hate to see and they talk about it mechanically
but i think the problem is the amount of time it takes up and if no one is going to interact, its just a waiting game with no prize or reward
foggy sorrel
yeah as of late ive been missing out a bit on social side of commander as ive mostly been 1v1ing people, the 2 long sygg games were still fun tho cause i wa teaching someone and we did a lot of politic things
if you storm off you better win that turn
deft belfry
or find ways to make it fun
recently i have built two different storm decks that were able to make the table think its fun
foggy sorrel
the amount of times ive seen my friend's vivi and baylen have 10+ min turns only to have no haste or evasion or finishers
deft belfry
i just keep slipping on my own [[!rug of smoothering]] and cracking my skull open
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deft belfry
i find that as long as i am able to progress the game, even slowly
storm / casting lot of spells, big spell + long turn, is basically fine
same concept as watching your loading screen% go up
foggy sorrel
yeah if theres a big turn and no haste or whatever theres probably a 1 turn clock before they swing out and win
deft belfry
another pet card [[geth's grimoire]] this one is hard to use
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foggy sorrel
hm
deft belfry
not enough discard synergy in the game esp if commander doesnt care for it
so this depends on how much discard you can find
if you do have mind bomb, now it is really hard for them to discard
so it would turn it into a bolt wave
foggy sorrel
https://scryfall.com/card/dst/123/geths-grimoire
discard nekusar may want
foggy sorrel
if playing in that bracket theres prolly better options tho
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deft belfry
[[!archive trap]]
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foggy sorrel
ive seen some nekusar lists that have no wheels or forced draw so opponents still need to use their own card draw to keep up which gets punished
deft belfry
[[$archive trap]]
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foggy sorrel
oo
deft belfry
easy cheap card for B3 power
[[scheming symmetric]] is a very political fun card too
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foggy sorrel
oh yeah forgot abt that card
theres also the one that makes each other control each other on their turns
but is pricy mana value and monetarily
deft belfry
if i have a mindcrank out, cast scheming and mindbomb (very niche 3 card scenario)
but it creates a situation where
if they dont discard
whatever they search goes away
foggy sorrel
oh yeah mind bomb is peak in sygg holy
deft belfry
i think the fun is when they tutor to top, and then another opponent make them lose it
foggy sorrel
ye
deft belfry
i guess there is a small chance for this lazy deck building piece, not recommanded buy since its kinda of expensive
[[monument of endurance]]
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draw ramp burn
it does everything
everything commander deck wants and needs
self discard isnt for every deck though and most decks cannot discard up to 4-12 times per round
and with no maxmium hand size, having 8 cards also skips the clean up step self discard
otherwise, just by drawing to 8, discard, draw, discard again, treasure or burn
doing up to 4 draws and 12 damage per round is where it truely shines as the win con + draw engine
deft belfry
oh yeah mind bomb is peak in sygg holy
all i am doing is recreating the "doomed if you do, doomed if you dont" illusion of choice for the table, draw-burn-go
[[giggling skitterspike]] is a scary card but base power is low. very good blocker
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Artifact Creature ā Toy
Indestructible
Whenever this creature attacks, blocks, or becomes the target of a spell, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
: Monstrosity 5. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put five +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/1
foggy sorrel
tru
deft belfry
basically the newest [[stuffy doll]]
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Artifact Creature ā Construct
Indestructible
As this creature enters, choose a player.
Whenever this creature is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to the chosen player.
: This creature deals 1 damage to itself.
0/1
foggy sorrel
monstrosity cost isnt crazy prolly wont pay it on curve to hold interraction but i would prolly activate it
if it stays out
deft belfry
i wouldnt run in it a deck unless i can make use of it without going monstrous
foggy sorrel
yeah its good without it
deft belfry
but since it can be activated at instantly speed
foggy sorrel
night
storm fox
so i pulled a [[lorehold the historian]] yesterday and was thinking of building it
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Legendary Creature ā Elder Dragon
Flying, haste
Each instant and sorcery card in your hand has miracle 
. (You may cast a card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
5/5
storm fox
planning to have it be a bracket 2 list
https://moxfield.com/decks/VAyFr3GkF0qvgdOG6REb0w
this is my current version, what do you think of it?
deft belfry
if you want some fake miracles , theres also [[!library of leng]]
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but casting commander is often the hard part
which isnt too bad first cast at 5 mana, as long as it doesnt die first time around
oh lol the [[world fire]] and super high cost choices of sorcery
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deft belfry
the timing on indestructible do feel very awkward in the upkeep, getting 8 power worth is fine
new card [[restoration seminar]] lot of sorcery in the deck so it will be a little harder to pick a target on miracle
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deft belfry
and probably want to set up ahead of time and discard a thing without knowing this is on top
efficient/fun spells worth the miracle or underplayed sorcery that you want to use in the deck -> mana that allows for easy fixing for the colour pips on any turn -> card advantage to keep up with the consistent discard
those are my focus around the commander. i can see myself using 3 cmc ramp rock just because with a 5cmc commander, cost 
* if miracle-d out, and some can get back 2 manas by itself
Land tax amazing filter/card advantage in here since it also gives discard fodder and increase the chance of hitting miracle
even with top deck scry3....[[imperial oath]] pay off at 4 mana is high just okay at best, doesnt hurt to stay if you dont get it stuck in hand
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if lorehold was cast with 5 mana, untap, miracle, this would take up most of the turn's mana
for now i wont go into the [[!unwinding clock]] + mana rock route, but it can be an option if there are 4 miracles per round
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[[deathbellow war cry]] never seen this one used
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spring wind
Is there a list of all versions of some particular effect X?
like if i wanted to find all discard to draw 2 cards
i'm trying to figure out what effects have achieved "critical mass" and form a playable package
examples include zombifies, scam spells, tormenting voice variants, sac a permanent to draw two's
deft belfry
you can scryfall search
i think there is a tag like tormenting voice
and gives each of those, including the permanents like [[bitter reunion]] or the battle etc [[highway robbery]]
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Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.
Sorcery
You may discard a card or sacrifice a land. If you do, draw two cards.
Plot 
(You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
The fires weren't even out before the backstabbing began.
spring wind
the tags are nice but i think it's not always specific enough
but definitely a good place to start
deft belfry
as for sac, you can either add it on to do the search at once with "or" o:sacrifice
or a seperate search with just that
spring wind
makes sense
deft belfry
because [[skullclamp]] wouldnt show up
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Artifact ā Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/-1.
Whenever equipped creature dies, draw two cards.
Equip
Mardu blacksmiths can distill the technology of any clan and make it their own. Whether or not they should is another question.
spring wind
i think it would be nice to have a collective database that lists all effects that have >8 versions or something
deft belfry
[[corrupted conviction]] just a second card with the same name and there is a instant that is just like a single use skullclamp
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spring wind
nice
deft belfry
[[desperate measure]] was what i was thinking
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it misses [[cathartic reunion]]
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but i guess it doesn't fit the narrow def
deft belfry
it depends on how you refine it
spring wind
i like the idea of families of cards
deft belfry
if you want weird search, esp for artwork, tagger is much friendlier than looking at each card yourself
spring wind
lol technically a cantrip is a discard 0 draw 0+1
deft belfry
but B1 doesnt exist in the wild
spring wind
so i guess i'm looking for discard x draw x+1
deft belfry
then i would do standard serach on scryfall instead of tagger
deft belfry
but you can also add in words like ("two" or "three")
spring wind
for sure
deft belfry
i guess "cards" also works
let me know if you find any hidden gems or bulk you already own
in black, you can combine with [[morbid oppotunist]] for extra draw
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deft belfry
golgari also has lot of draw on death
spring wind
will do
i'm interested cause i usually don't build my decks 8x8
but rather look for, if possible, 20+ versions of some effect
and increase redundancy that way
i have a sidisi, undead vizier deck where i run like 40 zombify and/or scam effects
and use them and the exploit trigger to build a tutor/toolbox deck
[[undying evil]] works as a scam lol
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deft belfry
personally, i wouldnt do 8x8 at all. idk where this "template" came from and how it became a thing
if its more like a "minimium requirement" as a starting point, its not a bad self restriction
spring wind
I find that style of building kind of boring
deft belfry
to remind yourself you need more protection/removal and such
spring wind
So Iām always looking for some effect thatās been printed to death to build a deck around
deft belfry
in lower power and against newbies, i run as few as 5 removals in my deck so its almost as rare as drawing a boardwipe in those games
but not obvious enough right
cause lot of mechanics are too easy to abuse
deft belfry
one of the most boring commander imo is cantrip [[talrand sky summoner]]
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Which runs like 40 discard to draw effects
And every izzet colored mdfc instant/sorcery
But no, I donāt mean āyou mean playing dredge is good?ā
Huh scryfall has a similar to subcategory in tags
But itās just card x is similar to card y
As opposed to this set of cards are all similar to card z
deft belfry
so you like commander where you basically go super hard on one card type sort of thing, not as restrictive as [[umori collector]] but lot of typal/mechanic redundancy
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Legendary Creature ā Ooze
Companion ā Each nonland card in your starting deck shares a card type. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for 
as a sorcery.)
As Umori enters, choose a card type.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
4/5
spring wind
Yeah
I donāt care about the type much unless that matters
More just the effect
Like I donāt care if my scam spell is a flash enchantment or an instant for example
deft belfry
i guess you will have to pick out an effect first and eliminate all the overused effect you dont want
spring wind
Yeah definitely
I once built a deck that had like 500 distinct combos in it
Because I jammed in every creaturefall life gain
Every card that make a token when you gained life
deft belfry
sounds like a lot of near infinites and triggers
spring wind
And every card that turned that into a counter for good measure
Yeah thereās like 20-30 copies of each of the first two effects
if tags work on that, there's so many of these effects
deft belfry
so many tutors, no [[spirit link]] or did i missed it
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deft belfry
[[gala greeter]] probably too different
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deft belfry
but more options
as early as 4 mana T4 win with ballista loop
no sol ring but 13 creature tutor š
dang i didnt remember this part about [[!spider man, peter parker]]
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deft belfry
to think that its a balanced heliod
deft belfry
[[deathbellow war cry]] never seen this one used
@storm fox unless you really want those big spells, i think 7+cmc are just really hard to use. untap after casting commander =5 mana + miracle cost reduction 5 REPLACEMENT at 2 need a return that works with the commander?
and i just realized i misread [[!lorehold the historian]] really hard
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deft belfry
i thought it was reduce by 2 not cast at 2 XD. so no X spells
but the other idea of like [[wheel of fate]] could work
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Sorcery
Suspend 4ā (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Each player discards their hand, then draws seven cards.
deft belfry
adding [[cloud key]]
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, or sorcery.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
The advent of cloudsculpting ended the use of mechanical locks in Illvoi society.
deft belfry
[[dance with calamity]] will bust easily in here
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deft belfry
unless you aim for all 6es cmc cards
i wonder if [[solitary confinement]] got a place
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deft belfry
skip own draw step but open up to drawing at instant speed with draw engine
on anyone's turn
because with this commander, you are becoming a picky eater with no card draws in the deck
so one [[out of time]] with commander away, its game over
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i played [[wondrous crucible]] in a deck, maybe that catches your interest?
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Artifact
Permanents you control have ward .
At the beginning of your end step, mill two cards, then exile a nonland card at random from your graveyard. Copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
deft belfry
with [[!primal wellspring]] specially, there is a chance you dont want to cast your cost reduction [[!semblance anvil]]
deft belfry
[[len of clarity]] lot of weird things that can show the top
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i think knowing your top card is especially important as you can consider adding in fetch land to shuffle and stuff
may also try [[storm kiln artist]] for mana storage
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Creature ā Dwarf Shaman
This creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control.
Magecraft ā Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
A captured elemental makes for a potent, albeit unstable, power source.
2/2
deft belfry
i doubt i will have too many add as it isnt hard to find things to cheat out with lorehold, just need the engine oil and maybe a backup game plan
whats the cost of [[haysack]]
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deft belfry
[[haystack]]
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Artifact
, : Target creature you control phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until your next turn.)
"Search the area! He can't have gone far!" āPalazzo guard
deft belfry
ehhh meh thought it could be good protection, i guess not
if it sits on board and do nothing, then thats the best protection to redirect all other threats
cold quartz
mon i need some help when you got a second, after messing with other peoples obeka decks and not liking them, i decided to make my own, thoughts on inclusions or removals?
https://moxfield.com/decks/lTO4XAkGR02vrHQHnc8w3Q
deft belfry
oh lol thats a not so flexible commander and depends on the budget, it can get gross
just in case, all the cards in here works with obeka right? "sac at next end step"
myriad being the only exception
cold quartz
unless i overlooked something ,yes
deft belfry
black ForF is werid
i basically have to hide the land face down and mind game them to give me sol ring? otherwise the swan song + land is what will end up in hand
after Obeka lose summoning sickness + 1 other set up, the deck takes off
cold quartz
yeah pretty much, like if this is what they are showing me, what is crazier that they arent showing
deft belfry
but i cant say i look forward to [[!hostile neogotiation]] that much
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yeah because of that stipulation im at a crossroads with dropping all ramp to play set up on 3 or guarenteeing ramping into obeka on 3, currently im with the latter
deft belfry
very hard to use without knowing the ins and out of the deck
because the deck is also super weak if obeka dies
cold quartz
true, thats why i got a lot of protection, could maybe eevn run more but i think id rather have more draw right now
after playing a couple games with it
deft belfry
getting this out if luck would be really good T5
but i think it just relies a lot on the rest of the table
cold quartz
it deffinitely benefits from looking smol bean for the first few turns
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yeah im not sure about it either, testing it out
deft belfry
when a creature dies, is apparently a very hard clause to fulfill in some games
cold quartz
the one game i got to use it, i used it as a wawy to recur obeka lol
deft belfry
the games with heavy removal tends to not destroy and then vat just takes up lot of mana on its own
XD
cold quartz
but it gains haste so it was actually really good for that
and i won that game
but yeah before that it was out for like 3 turns with nothing destroyed
dropping it for draw could be nice
deft belfry
because game plan is using creature spell cloning
getting out the right creature is always tough
[[devastating onslaught]] is one of those, if you go for the big spell, you dont need to keep the tokens to win the game
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[[hazoret's favor]] was a jank i wanted to play for a long time well before [[rising of the day]] existed
deft belfry
its especially interesting with [[slave of bolas]]
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cold quartz
wow that is a large difference between those lol
deft belfry
i think i maybe able to sneak it in to my [[tifa martial artist]] deck
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yeah one of the obeka decks i was trying had slave in it and i drew it 3 seperate games early, and never played it once in the 3 games
deft belfry
not surprised
threaten is always weird in games because its all value small creatures in the higher power meta or
cold quartz
also {whip of erabos}
cold quartz
[[whip of erabos]]
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Legendary Enchantment Artifact
Creatures you control have lifelink.
, : Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
oh the unearth part
deft belfry
yeah that thing is just for the burn into life gain
i dont think you need more sustain
when your plan is just all out and take whatever you can from cheating the end step triggers
cold quartz
yeah if i need to ill take my opponents life gain guys
deft belfry
i can see a scenario where you can get a win out of [[risns of power]] but overall i think you just need to make lot of tokens
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deft belfry
[[reins of power]]
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[[voidwalk]] is some jank im quite interested in trying to run in this
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i am doing that one with [[wizard of ay]]
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Creature ā Human Wizard
Myriad (Whenever this creature attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash.
3/3
deft belfry
4 drop sorcery so nice with that
cold quartz
yeah i was debating including that since i had a sizable amount of instants and sorceries
but like half of them dont get discounted because of pips
deft belfry
hmmm but 4 mana is a weird place to ramp
cold quartz
and that
deft belfry
you are better of with colour fixing rocks
thay works best with like [[haze of rage]]
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Sorcery
Buyback (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)
Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
deft belfry
- that sorcery ritual or firebending
cold quartz
so should i replace the cauldron with a 2cmc draw 2 in black or a bigger draw source
deft belfry
they wont see it coming
deft belfry
i dont think you need that much draw over higher density
cold quartz
idk in both the games i played with it so far i quickly got down to 3 or less cards in hand
until i double cons sphinx and drew my whole deck
deft belfry
[[!determined iteration]] awesome card for cloning, even if the thing is gone 2 mana is hardly worth anything, but the problem i see is just no tokens ready until obeka is ready
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obession 's downside is too harsh if you lose obeka, ofc if you do red deck win playstyle and burn your hand it may not matter
but brudiclad shares that same thing; it comes down AFTER a board is developped
cold quartz
really the sauce in this deck is like [[flameshadow conjuring]] this shit is gross
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Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of that creature. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
deft belfry
rather than before and slowly build up an army
yeah i run that with Gary or
[[fanatic of mogis]]
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Creature ā Minotaur Shaman
When this creature enters, it deals damage to each opponent equal to your devotion to red. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to red.)
4/2
deft belfry
basically red gary
cold quartz
oh yeah thats some synergy
deft belfry
also, this one is the better version of the curse
cold quartz
3 bucks too for that enchantment, wild
deft belfry
[[avaricious dragon]] had to search spelling
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[[$determined iteration]] this or the curse
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yeah the other obeka deck i was trying had this but it felt so bad to play it on t5
deft belfry
yeah hasteless creatures in commander are weird
cold quartz
practically useless by then when im staring down so much shit
deft belfry
i hate blind obedient so much
i had games where two opponent got blind O and the other had authority consul
i was the only red player at the table and cant even set up blocks
with the worst enchantment removals
new [[world fire]] for commander when wotc
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yeah blind obedience is lame as shit
deft belfry
"exile all enchantments, cost 
less for each enchantment your opponent control" i need this
cold quartz
theres a few that are close, likee that 4cmc creature in green
deft belfry
-.-
deft belfry
yeah green remove so much easier
deft belfry
red has no real enchantment removal, chaos warp and that about it
cold quartz
no theres a worse X cost one in red
deft belfry
[[enchanter's bane]] or whatever you call this
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cold quartz
oh no thats artifacts nvm
deft belfry
yeah, red cannot destroy enchantment without the help of liquimetal
cold quartz
sounds like a solution for chaos warp to handle š
which i lost the game to when i did that yesterday
deft belfry
nah you do player removal
dont hestiate on killing someone with damage
if oyu want to win with pure damage
cold quartz
i got a really early kill with [[nerd rage]] on ivy the other day
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deft belfry
[[mystic reflection]] i think you can do this one
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Instant
Choose target nonlegendary creature. The next time one or more creatures or planeswalkers enter this turn, they enter as copies of the chosen creature.
Foretell 
(During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
cold quartz
had the table cackling
deft belfry
oh lol nerdy Ivy
cold quartz
oh yeah reflection sounds good
deft belfry
T1 Land + creature, 6 cards in hand
T2 land Ivy, 6c
T3 LAND nerd rage 9* cards
T4 21 commander damage?
wait only 9 cards
miscounted T3
cold quartz
was t5 with a +2/+2 goad enchantment on her
or was it t4
i cant remember
was a t1 ivy tho
deft belfry
i forgot the land drop T3 so its down a card
cold quartz
that was a crazy game, everyone had t1 bigg plays
deft belfry
ah fast mana
cold quartz
2 sol rings, 2 mox's
deft belfry
sol ring doesnt help in ivy though so i guess thats not you
deft belfry
ok 1.66 and 32 lands
32 is cutting it close
i think i havent played anything less than 33
but i also dont have fetches
cold quartz
this list for ivy spits out cards
deft belfry
well not all the fetches
cold quartz
yeah i probably wouldnt have chosen that number myself but it works
deft belfry
is the 50% U vs G intentional
deft belfry
i think the one of the few free spell i own is [[snapback]]
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used it with Tooth, imaginary friend so i have removal that can work as "protection"
cold quartz
[[tooth, imaginary friend]]
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oh yeah thats slick
deft belfry
it was one of my first simic where i did a lot of test
from just generic counters, to some fast near infinite, to as many win cons i can fit at once
cold quartz
you gonna play with new zimone?
deft belfry
i really want to do friendless Pir /Tooth. so just the mono colour alone
probably not
its just X spell but somewhat nerfed
i had my share of simic fun with [[volo guide to monster]]
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cold quartz
yeah its like [[magus lucia kane]] at home
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Legendary Creature ā Human Tyranid Wizard
Spiritual Leader ā At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Psychic Stimulus ā : Add 
. When you next cast a spell with 
in its mana cost or activate an ability with in its activation cost this turn, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
1/1
deft belfry
its too easy to go into simic value BS or landfall so i am better of doing 3 colours at that point
as much as i love cost reduction and i probably done almost all of them
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/afr/238/volo-guide-to-monsters
yeah thats nice and open ended, a lot more interesting imo than something that pigion holes you so hard like zimone
deft belfry
simic X spell at instant speed isnt the most interesting
or i just dont like this strix haven 2 that much
us adult are done with going back to school
the flavour is overpowered by the mechanics and power as well
cold quartz
nothing jumps out at me with it, some of it is deff good but not interesting
yeah agree
deft belfry
my favourite monster [[rug of smoothering]] i will put it in any decks i can
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deft belfry
i think the one time i played it with volo, i had 2 clones. so there are 3 rugs on board
cold quartz
hahaha thats awesome
deft belfry
at some point i made 12 triggers of [[man o war]]
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cold quartz
mm i have no idea, i didnt touch or look at that set
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deft belfry
legendary so i dont keep the copy but hell
non land bounce is broken as shit with copies
cold quartz
true
deft belfry
can also do itself so its a mini loop
cold quartz
thats why i got [[aether channeler]] in obeka
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cold quartz
bounce or draw with copies? yum
deft belfry
thats the one weakness/uniqueness of volo
you want to avoid human and duplicate types
BUT
shapeshifter is just too good to avoid
cold quartz
yeah thats facts
deft belfry
clones in [[arumi dead tide]] [[marchesa black rose]] or volo
deft belfry
once you can control when and number of clones entering as anything
cold quartz
oh yeah clone arumi goes hard
deft belfry
with hardly any real counter play, you just destroys the board
give volo a changeling to shut down their deck
cold quartz
so is there a different copy effect i should replace for mysthic reflection? i dont really want to increase the count on it
deft belfry
hmmm
cold quartz
to be fair i cant remember the last time i saw a changeling
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cold quartz
maybe but giving it myriad is real nice
deft belfry
yeah it is
cold quartz
6 mana steal 3 of the best thing
deft belfry
hmmm
cold quartz
unless its legendary
deft belfry
i think it goes back
cold quartz
which could be a downside for sure
deft belfry
if you steal legendary, then you can legend rule and kill the original
because threaten is until end of turn, only the tokens are created by you
the original will always go back regardless of obeka's ability
cold quartz
oh yeah thats a good point, didnt think of that
deft belfry
and tokens goes away in combat anyways, do myriad work with obeka at all
cold quartz
yeah at end of combat is a trigger
deft belfry
yeah its nice to keep the tokens although they are all tapped
cold quartz
which if its an etb is fine, or a death trigger and i let them sac etc
or just big boi
deft belfry
i think [[curse mirror]] is too good to miss out on
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Artifact
: Add .
As this artifact enters, you may have it become a copy of any creature on the battlefield until end of turn, except it has haste.
cold quartz
i also like that on furbolg himself is an etb
and not a tap ability like a lot of the others
deft belfry
yeah firbolg is a good etb
cold quartz
ive been getting around that by creating a hasted token of the tap to copy stuff
deft belfry
i think firbolg is better than the master multiplied unfortunately
cold quartz
could be, havent drawn that one out to test it yet but on paper sounds sick
even if worse case is back up obeka
deft belfry
yeah, love it as a card. so hard to make use of it
6 cmc without haste is a significant downside
cold quartz
i could see maybe [[redoubled stormsinger]] being one of the worst since he needs to go a round and also have other stuff around him
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cold quartz
true
deft belfry
where your commander doesnt directly make tokens
so it messes with the card ratio
ideally, this is the token you create
cold quartz
[[orthion, hero]] doesnt feel too great as a draw ngl
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Legendary Creature ā Human Soldier
, : Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
, : Create five tokens that are copies of another target creature you control. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3
cold quartz
mainly there for the dream with mirkwood bats
deft belfry
yeah that one is slow for sure, and its not normal to have 9 mana to untap with it
ah the dream
cold quartz
what a dream š
deft belfry
i actually hardly draw the bat, but i also didnt get to play my deck that much, less than 10 games
right now the master multiplied build is in the 99 of my [[cosmic imposter]]
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cold quartz
oh and its only at sorcery speed unlike literally all the other ones
yeah thats prob my least fav of the bunch
deft belfry
[[!valki god of lies]]
deft belfry
just your friendly valki nothing special to look at
cold quartz
does that play better than it reads
deft belfry
depends
cold quartz
because ngl reading it sounds like a stinker
deft belfry
tibalt is the focus
deft belfry
valki is only okay if you know your match up and able to take away from other's hand
well the 99 should somewhat sustain itself without the help of the commander
then the impulse draw 4 is quite nice in colours that lacks consistent draw engine
cold quartz
yeah thats true
deft belfry
so its not meant to focus too hard on the commander
cold quartz
am i disgusting for wanting to try a breach deck
deft belfry
but still want to ramp up at some point
i mean, first time everything
and your obeka build isnt the chain extra turn version so i will trust you breach combo to be not overly disgusting
or fine something different
cold quartz
yeah chain extra turns is deffinitely the lamest way to build it
deft belfry
i like the extra turn one where you dont get an untap step
its like 3 mana also
so its more like a 3 visit in blue and extra combat
cold quartz
[[combat celebrant]]]?
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cold quartz
mm idk then
deft belfry
sorcery extra turn, no untap step
cold quartz
i honestly didnt mind having a couple extra turnn cards in the obeka deck i tried before making this one, because the deck sucked so i could extra turn early for another set up piece or to "ramp"
deft belfry
[[savor the moment]]
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deft belfry
not the extra turn for obeka
but i think its one of the most interesting extra turn there is
it opens up to synergy with [[unstopable plan]] of sort
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cold quartz
yeah it would need a special deck to work well i think
deft belfry
extra draw, extra combat, unkeep
nothing in that is bad imo there is also [[obeka spliter]]
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deft belfry
[[obeka of time]]
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deft belfry
ahh seconds
cold quartz
[[obeka splitter of seconds]]
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deft belfry
]] [[
cold quartz
that obeka is just combo tho
deft belfry
unfortunately, again, this obeka goes too hard with the same uPkeep* cards
and dudle without them
deft belfry
i like how you can do [[twisted image]] tho
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deft belfry
typo
cold quartz
oh yeah i do like the idea of having combat stims in commander
deft belfry
kill target wall muhahaha
deft belfry
i pull off some nice things with [[as foretold]], one of which being [[repeal]] bouncing a token
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay 
rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.
deft belfry
that was one of my games at LGS last night few horus ago
cold quartz
oh i love as foretold..and im just realizing how busted that is in other obeka
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deft belfry
i may add in obeka splitter of seconds in the 99 tho
[[grimsp of tomorrow]] is the dream here
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deft belfry
[[glimsp of tomorrow]]
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Sorcery
Suspend 3ā
Shuffle all permanents you own into your library, then reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put all non-Aura permanent cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then do the same for Aura cards, then put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/clu/94/repeal
would x not just equal 0 if you used as foretold on it as the alternate casting cost?
oh you did say token
deft belfry
i run almost exclusively 'additive' removal so i can maximize my permanent count
yes X =0 so i bounced a token
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/who/149/the-rani
oh i faced that in that ivy game where i got the early kill
helped me realize how shit goad is ngl hahaha
deft belfry
and with a very slow start for the entire table, my turn 4 play (from open hand bunch of lands and as foretold ) was [[arcane labtory]]
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deft belfry
so playing at instant speed one spell is giving me time to play more janks
cold quartz
or at least goad as game plan in an of itself
deft belfry
yeah goading only works in multiplayer
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/60%E2%98%85/arcane-laboratory
broooooooo]
your talking about hating the creatures entering tapped enchantment and rip out that
deft belfry
but i built this for jank progressive game play in B2
cold quartz
i hate that way more
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Enchantment
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Artifacts and creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
"By the time your knees have worn through your robe, you may have begun to learn your place."
deft belfry
ofc both can get worse if they do land stax
or possibility storm
but by itself, they force everyone to do things more optimally
in some match ups it does shut down more decks
but as a red player, blind O tapping down every attacker and blocker is worse than only allowing one spell
unless that one spell also get countered
cold quartz
idk id say blind obedience is maybe overall more noticable or useful but the 1 spell a turn just turns off so many options
deft belfry
i have hardly any counterspells so that may changes the equation
cold quartz
to a higher degree
deft belfry
blind O stops artifact ramp too
and only opponent
arc lab is symmetrical
if that matters
in my case, since i dont have the removals to stop incoming damage, the one spell restriction is weaker
it slow down those trying to sneak in a win with lethal out of nowhere
but thats just my opinion and experience in the deck i used it in
if i use it in a deck with all abilities, its awful to play against
i got rani out T5 and then ninjutsu her back to my hand for 2 mana and recast on T6 to dodge the one spell per turn, getting another mark of rani
deft belfry
to a higher degree
cold quartz
yeah thats a fair argument and i faced it with obeka and got around it with abilities but it was so lame
deft belfry
the one turn it got removed, every opponent basically casted like 20 mana worth of spells and we are lucky no one died
deft belfry
all i did was delay the inevitable
i had 2 tapped lands when [[mana geysar]] was casted
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Sorcery
Add for each tapped land your opponents control.
The Quicksilver Sea hissed and bubbled at the indignity. The Vulshok shaman just smiled.
cold quartz
thats just what someone playing that would say
deft belfry
i was feeling generous so i crack a clue and turn 18 mana into 20 red mana
i just didnt intent for arcane lab to stay around and i only run it with the underplay janks to slow down the game
i have also ran [[sands of time]] +[[omen machine]] in another jank deck
deft belfry
its so troll when it messed with everyone's head
and they did nothing fyi
i used them to bait out all the counterspells XD
deft belfry
i will be putting omen machine in [[the twelfth doctor]] so i can potentially make 3 of those on board
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deft belfry
still Bracket 2 btw XD
cold quartz
looooooool
deft belfry
yes, no more draws, but you are going to get 3 cards, for free
cold quartz
remmind me not to play br2 with you
deft belfry
XD i have some normal...er decks
but janks is in almost all of them
[[day of the dragon]] is in a borderline B3 deck
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deft belfry
not upgraded to reach B3 but if i pull enough cards it is nearly infinite with 5+ cards and tons of mana
it has nonbo cards so when both pieces are out, you dont know which to destroy
i cannot play [[eye of singularity]] when my token generator is out for example
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deft belfry
its just a shitter but funny version of [[leyline of singularity]]
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deft belfry
remmind me not to play br2 with you
i am sure you will want to see what i can do anyways :3
cold quartz
bro my head hurts just reading eye lol
i for sure would lol
sorry for late replyings im in a game with obeka
5+ card combo..does that even count as a combo or just synergy lol
deft belfry
[[!naked singularity]]
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deft belfry
i wish i have this card
deft belfry
5+ card combo..does that even count as a combo or just synergy lol
it was technically a combo, there were hardly any synergy between half of those cards, until i took the entire infinite combo from my opponent's deck
there were actually more anti synergy because i lose like 21 cards from my own deck to draw 22 cards from my opponent's deck
anyways 2 am here so ttyl š š¤
cold quartz
ttyl!
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/me4/216/naked-singularity
how is this a black border!! looool
cold quartz
there were actually more anti synergy because i lose like 21 cards from my own d...
thats honestly a vibe tho lol
storm fox
if you want some fake miracles , theres also [[!library of leng]]
I dont know why everyone praised this, i tried it but everytime i played it the list just felt worse
Cus i get stuck with the non instant/sorcery cards in hand and this means i also can it dig with lorehold
storm fox
may hurt yourself too much
Maybe, but its fun
storm fox
for now i wont go into the [[!unwinding clock]] + mana rock route, but it can be...
I felt like getting the mana for miracles with either cost reduction or just self untapping mana rocks felt sufficient already right now
storm fox
[[deathbellow war cry]] never seen this one used
Yeah, found it in some jank, grabs stuff that makes a lot of mana on my turn potentially
storm fox
new card [[restoration seminar]] lot of sorcery in the deck so it will be a litt...
It targets any nonlands permanent, so if i discarded one to lorehold i can always miracle it on that
deft belfry
I dont know why everyone praised this, i tried it but everytime i played it the ...
rather than priasing it, i think its just a lazy way of guarantee the trigger without much needed thoughts behind the high MV card to deck ratio. in itself it isnt a good card to cheat out/play without other form of card advantage + top deck manipulations
technically its has a high floor because it can be a 1 mana do nothing card, or cast any one card in hand with commander for 2 mana
but better if it is tutored out and have other synergy within the deck (lot of draws and discard etc)
especially looting (which is usually not a red thing to do)
deft belfry
speaking of that how do looting and miracle works [[?lorehold, historian]]
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deft belfry
š¤¦
wicked gust
So I ran into an issue with the phoenix Quintorius deck, I didn't have good ways to grab the key higher cmc stuff I may of needed, but I also went up against a force the whole table to mill deck...so idk
I did almost win but I scooped as mu food was ready and I was getting a headache
But maybe I should also add a few mass haste enablers...
storm fox
wait actually, is library of leng a may or a must?
wicked gust
wait actually, is library of leng a may or a must?
Its a replacement affect. Had this convo with Mon earlier when I had it in my Quintorius deck, it did not help it as its a pseudo miracle maker
Also, I had a dumb idea as I wanted to use Gilgamesh more, and had this idea - https://moxfield.com/decks/KORCo4J-PkOWG3K057ZtiQ
Thoughts?
deft belfry
[[library of leng]] as long as you discard as an EFFECT and not a cost, that card goes to the top of the deck
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deft belfry
idk forsure but the no max hand size may have been a way to "nerf" the card so that if you have 8 cards, you cant prevent yourself from decking out
it doesnt replace the discard part but it just never hits the grave and go to the top of the library
unless the commander is [[river song]] or can scry, putting a card you dont want onto the top of the library is pointless
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deft belfry
if you call "draw" as "see my card board", then leng is basically the opposite of that, "see less"
deft belfry
[[Gilgamesh, Master-at-Arms]]
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deft belfry
itself is high cost but it also can cheat card advantage, high cost equips into play and free equip, loss all the white draw engine but in return gets a bit of a samurai/haste tribal voltron ish set up
need to look up what red ramps has to offer
6 mana is pretty high to begin the game in an aggro deck
will look at deck after work
storm fox
Its a replacement affect. Had this convo with Mon earlier when I had it in my Qu...
i was more thinking in the way of that it says that you MAY discard the card to the top of library, so technically i could still choose to discard to grave right?
cold quartz
mon how knowledgable are you for b4 deck construction?
deft belfry
rather than knowledgable, its just that B4 seems more boring and restrictive with countless GC and fast mana stuff. and depends on how well the deck is already running, its hard to make adjustment
also not as clear cut as Cedh which i dont play / uninterested in the high "steak" intense interactive problem solving mindset
deft belfry
i was more thinking in the way of that it says that you MAY discard the card to ...
yes, you can completely ignore the existent of leng and discard as* normal as if it is an overcosted [[spellbook]]
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deft belfry
i think that was one of the first cards i ever traded away back in 2011 because of how useless it is in casual 60 cards
deft belfry
mon how knowledgable are you for b4 deck construction?
personally i would meta game, because how i perceive other's decks at that power level, i want something where i think i would be able to gain the upper hand before knowing what commander i may play against and how i want to build toward those 99s
if i normally play janks that can be used both offensively and defensively, i am now stuck with the low cost + efficient + most versatile piece that guarantee to do what it needs to do
and to keep that split between different groups of cards, i would need more tutor or synergistic engine to make up for it
i noticed around B3, the few tutors that i run will almost always end up with getting removals i need due to someone threating to win the game with value play
if have either more tutor or more removal, i can save up my ammo before waiting for the right moment to strike
one hell of an opening
[[!ronin cavekeeper]] so shit tho at 6 mana š¤£
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deft belfry
i probably wont bother with "protection" like [[disrupt decroum]] nothing to do with equipment tribal theme and its entirely depends on opponent's board
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deft belfry
yeah, no one might able to attack you for one turn, but with blocks and casting new blockers from hand... it fails to kill, do damage, or open the board for your big attacker to get through. and i dont think it has samurai type of spirit to it
Nykthdos seems meh here for a $65 card; artifact = low devotion. also dont need that much red mana when commander is cheating equip cost
without commander's double red, it sort of break even at best, which takes away its ability to ramp for early commander
sword of light and shadow, the retreive from grave similar problem with lower creature count
[[!roadside reliquary]] normally a nice way to sneak in more card advantage, but this deck dont have enchantment...
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deft belfry
same problem with clamp for not having enough small butts
storm fox
yes, you can completely ignore the existent of leng and discard as* normal as if...
At first i thought it wasnt a may trigger, but now i see that it might bee better than i first thought
deft belfry
it is fake miracle though, so if you just care about getting the first draw top deck it is possible to do without
because i am sure it will kick out more niche stuff in the deck and homogenize into other lorehold deck
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deft belfry
yeah, no one might able to attack you for one turn, but with blocks and casting ...
as for Maze of ith thats another mana source out of the land count so be careful how much mana the deck is making for casting gilgmesh
really like [[!rebel salvo]] btw
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deft belfry
simple but effective and efficient lightning bolt
[[reckless handling]] gamble at home, i think there are enough targets for this just in case you want specific equipment etc
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deft belfry
nykthos is a maybe cut for me. rn i would want to swap sword for something else and cut decorum entirely
counted 29 permanent cards with red pips
6 of which are double fire red , so 23 are single red. at least 3 red cards with nkythos out to make 4 mana (host helm can add extra devotion but overall i dont think more mana matters if helm is out)
[[!samurai's katana]] [[murasame]]
deft belfry
to make equip cost so high š
still one of the best samurari playable and ideal combat abilities for the commander
10 cards with trample on them
2 and a half with flying
if [[?freya crescent]] get equipped by colosus hammer, will it lose flying?
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deft belfry
yep, timestamp applies in order, so freya always sees when it enters and hammer sees when it was equipped. freya will always lose flying
by my preference, i would probably do [[sword of war and peace]] over light and shadow, or a better sword for the deck is [[sword of forge and frontier]] since its card advantage + ramp
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Artifact ā Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, this Equipment deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip
Artifact ā Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. You may play an additional land this turn.
Equip
deft belfry
[[mystic forge]]
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Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast artifact spells and colorless spells from the top of your library.
, Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library.
deft belfry
different ways to look at more cards and get through them in colourless artifact decks
wicked gust
nykthos is a maybe cut for me. rn i would want to swap sword for something else ...
Sword of Light and Shadow? It's a good way to get creatures back from a wipe
wicked gust
if [[?freya crescent]] get equipped by colosus hammer, will it lose flying?
Yes
Maybe replace nykthos with [[tarnation vista]] ?
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Land
This land enters tapped. As it enters, choose a color.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
, : For each color among monocolored permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
wicked gust
I really hope they add in more good mono red samurai...
cold quartz
i threw together a b4 deck and im not sure on the qualtity of anything, whether i need more rocks/lands draw, interaction etc
it does function and i did win a game with it but could prolly use a good amount of tuning
crazy thing is, in that game i had 0 lands turn 4 after my urza's saga sacced but ritualed into the one ring and drew all the cards and got there in the end
wicked gust
different ways to look at more cards and get through them in colourless artifact...
I did revamp the deck a bit if you wanna look it over when you can
deft belfry
Sword of Light and Shadow? It's a good way to get creatures back from a wipe
but your creatures are samurais...
wicked gust
And????? They die too
We all die, eventually
So we all need s Light and Shadow Sword
deft belfry
- they are bad enough kinda not worth getting a dead one from grave
- they are dying due to collateral damage from wipes, if any. so recursion is a backup plan
- that sword wont do anything without creatures in grave and with everything in grave, there are nothing to equip onto for the damage trigger
^ those are the main point of my logic
you can test it out and see how it goes
maybe all my predictions are off
deft belfry
its funny how sometimes bad cards goes under the radar and surprise the table when it is about to deal lethal
deft belfry
as much as i like pro white, because i hate swords and path, they dont appear in my games that much when i do get my protection
and white also has the most non target wipes
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
so protection in commander is more of an evasive combat trick than actually counter play for removals
because gilgamesh has no natural evasion
i think giving that evasive colour will matter the most but against randoms, it kinda rely on luck
wicked gust
Or keywords except ehat can grab from equipments
deft belfry
the LGS i know everyone in usually have some combination in sultai colours, while boros is probably the least i see among those guys
the other one where i like to play at more... very random but more precons and more green
and insanely few removals are used properly especially against newer playerrs
i think the extreme case was like T1 sol untouched for the entire game
wicked gust
Wow
deft belfry
so yeah, in some of those games, unless i have a self mill plan, i would have nothing in grave to recur
or overdrew to the point of clean up discard
wicked gust
That's weird
wicked gust
Reminds Me of my old irl group
deft belfry
hard to adjust and match that power level š
but i am there to have fun so i dont mind if everyone has a chance
those with at least a year+ experience are the ones that make much smarter decisions and deck building on average
but i can show bunch of unusual and weird cards that changes the flow of the game
which may surprise the decade old players but are hard to match the same power with janks
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
solitary isnt fun and thats why interactions is needed, but wasted interaction also dont contribute much to the game
wicked gust
Exactly
deft belfry
which colour are you afraid of seeing with this samurai deck
green? bigger creatures
blue? outvalue with draws
white? too much removals
red? more damage than your output
wicked gust
I'm fine with any color, the initial idea was mono red as he specifically does stuff for samurai and seems like an easy way to have a board of big and good equipments
Plus Gilgamesh is so cool
deft belfry
if you can give it haste, kinda double dipping and instant payoff
but out of those 6, you really only have to hit no more than 3 equips
and get one freely equipped
and i meant which colour you think you will struggle more against
that maybe the sword you want the most
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Legendary Creature ā Merfolk Artificer
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
Equipped creatures you control have flying and haste.
His imagination soars from the depths of the sea to the heights of the heavens.
2/4
deft belfry
XD rip
wicked gust
Anything with flyers
deft belfry
i thought of that too, but that simic sword is one of the worst
mill 10 and make a wolf was it
wicked gust
Body and mind?
deft belfry
[[!body and mind]]
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wicked gust
Dude my last game it was the card that everyone was scarred of
deft belfry
oh lol
wicked gust
I had like all the other equipment
But the second THAT one dropped...all hell broke loose
Idk why
deft belfry
its kinda the worst one in the cycle if you dont count the side that is almost never played
wicked gust
I argue the dimir one is worse
wicked gust
There wasn't lol
wicked gust
I think like 2 green players and 1 blue
deft belfry
mill 10 isnt scary
wicked gust
It was so long ago idr
wicked gust
No 2 were green and 1 blue aka 2 players
deft belfry
but mill 10 shouldnt be scary, especially only on one player
wicked gust
The other I think was mono black
deft belfry
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
wicked gust
Doesn't matter
I just wanna have samurai tribal and it be good lol just like phoenix tribal
deft belfry
do you hate seeing this card in a game [[kor firewalker]]
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wicked gust
I never seen it used
deft belfry
oh i have a foreign language of this [[pilgrim of justice]] XD
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Creature ā Human Cleric
Protection from red
, Sacrifice this creature: The next time a red source of your choice would deal damage this turn, prevent that damage.
"I would die a thousand deaths before I let you harm another."
1/3
deft belfry
maybe i can use it in oldschool cleric tribal
or are there enough colour shifting in orzhov?
deft belfry
I never seen it used
i know one person who run this with a stall style game play and late game bombs (angels) so its actually quite gross if he lives to that point
its like like when my [[insight]] draws me 12 cards before anyone could do something about it
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deft belfry
but i cant just run it in any deck since it is a complete dead card in the wrong match up, i need a higher draw count in the 99 to make up for having dead draws
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Artifact ā Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from blue and from black.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, surveil 2. Then you may cast an instant or sorcery spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
Equip
deft belfry
[[sword of wealth and ]]
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Artifact ā Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from instants and from sorceries.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token. When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Equip
deft belfry
those are probably some of the worst swords in terms of game play
if sinew and steel is niche, those are just too conditional
surveil is okay but on damage trigger makes it meh, especially since a spellslinger deck cares less about equipment that cost 5 mana and a creature to swing with. its probably better to defend with those creatures and have open mana on opponent's turn
a free spell but limited to 2 cmc is also too restricted, commander tends to do the good stuff around 3 mana
its probably going to be "target creature removal" with extra steps
and then wealth and power is kinda nice for the defensive play for instant spot removals, but those can kill stuff in respond to equip, and worst of all, pro spells isnt evasion. making it one of the only swords that offers 0 combat keyword
with no follow up spell cast, the copy also goes away, and again spell slinger dont really focus on having a creature to do combat damage
a cycle that all has "protection"? and 3 to play 2 to equip is perhaps too hard to balance in singleton format?
i also hardly noticed black removal even tho it is known as the removal colour
iirc youtuber bloodartist has a video analysis each sword
i think i thought of one type of deck/commander that would like wealth and power but i would never want to play it at its price tag
end of the day, defensive swords are almost never good enough and the trigger ability determines its ceiling. protection is just icing on the cake no more than the +2 stat buff
wicked gust
end of the day, defensive swords are almost never good enough and the trigger ab...
I mean the sword od X and y did help me win a few games purely cause they couldn't blow em up and I was able to hit fot big damage
deft belfry
for evasive colour, it looks like to me pro black is one of the weakest as those decks tends to have the worst blockers
[[!commander plate]] i guess this covers for basically all the colours you will go against
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deft belfry
other than red which i am not sure if it affect your own red equipments
unlike auras, equips dont detach from protection
marble cedar
Yooo, it's me a again with another clapped brew which no one else wants to tinker with... sooo have fun
(Trying to budget this down, remove some of the pricy stuff to get this under 100 quid)
While still a boobytrap/lantern control list
aiming at bracket 2
wicked gust
other than red which i am not sure if it affect your own red equipments
It does I have a lot of red equipments
wicked gust
unlike auras, equips dont detach from protection
I thought they do..?
wicked gust
Cause the equipment are red, red mana pips
deft belfry
Cause the equipment are red, red mana pips
protection specifically say enchant auras and target, but something that is already equipped on there wont matter
and i just find the name of this [[blast furnace hellkite]]
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deft belfry
if it takes off half or more of the 9 mana, it s basically playable at flash speed
and good with swords triggers/combat trick/ incentive to attack any opponents
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/X3-rMX9dX0yomnEX7mfX0g
so i see a few combos/loops to win, how much do red mana from the spirit sac matters?
also i am bad at using tutors especailly one like [[gifts ungiven]]
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deft belfry
its the blue [[burial alive]] but you do want something out of it
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deft belfry
[[!BURIED ALIVE]]
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deft belfry
Not sure if [[misdirection]] is worth it in B4 over any of the red redirect, kinda depends how much excess draws you have
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deft belfry
i guess its fine since the deck is heavy blue and its technically no mana cost
deft belfry
looks like the interaction is a bit high
wow that land count is very low
is there a dramatic reversal loop ?
or stormkiln treasures
i am guessing [[tandem lookout]] is for the infinite with niv?
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deft belfry
which is technically not 120 damage but the hand size should be enough to win
weird to see [[earth.quake]] but i guess that works
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deft belfry
[[!grand abolisher]] [[hexing squelcher]][[mindbreaktrap]] i think that interaction and preventing reaction is very redundant, if to the point it takes away from getting the draws smoothly, but idk how much counterplay is happening here to make that tuning
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Instant ā Trap
If an opponent cast three or more spells this turn, you may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Exile any number of target spells.
"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends." āNoyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
deft belfry
[[!mirror made]] seems a little random too
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deft belfry
i guess its for meta game cloning
but both that and [[steal enchantment]] can be niche aat times
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deft belfry
they are the potential dead cards
some of those cards you will definitely need to look for statistics and own experience to figure out if they are usable or not. [[dispel]] can be somewhat dead depends on matchup. otherwise very effecient counterspell
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deft belfry
i think you can let it loose a bit simply because the deck is making tons of mana (as in more than 1 mana spells)
cold quartz
so i see a few combos/loops to win, how much do red mana from the spirit sac mat...
quite important for breach time but not super overall, i could get away with not playing it i think..but i also havent gotten many games with it
cold quartz
also i am bad at using tutors especailly one like [[gifts ungiven]]
oh its reeeeeeally good in white because i grab breach, sevinnes reclamation +1-2 other things and no matter what they give me i can go off either that turn or the one after depending on mana
deft belfry
right
cold quartz
Not sure if [[misdirection]] is worth it in B4 over any of the red redirect, kin...
yeah with commander giving red thats probably fair, more so just the free nature of it over the red options
deft belfry
so its kinda winning without commander, spirits really dont matter
cold quartz
yes-ish, i deffinitely gotta get more games on it to know for sure
deft belfry
[[grinding station]] feels weird
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Artifact
, Sacrifice an artifact: Target player mills three cards.
Whenever an artifact enters, you may untap this artifact.
cold quartz
its there because its the perfect number with breach, 3
deft belfry
thought so
cold quartz
so i can lions eye diamond, sac it to this for 3 cards to pay for the 3 of playing it from yard
etc
deft belfry
with tithe it can also become a win con
cold quartz
oh yeah with a wheel i didnt even think about that since i never play them
cold quartz
yeah with the plainswalkers since i dont play hardly any creatures its hard to protect so its more to slow it down for a couple turns while i set up
iffy on them but slowing down the table is really good
deft belfry
i guess i need to check for B4 list to see if anyone uses [[!archmage emeritus]]
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cold quartz
mmm pitching cards to the free counters and going even seems really good
cold quartz
i am guessing [[tandem lookout]] is for the infinite with niv?
yeah for inf with niv, not sure its nessecary in here but a back up combo seems nice to have
deft belfry
it sees copies too so [[fluster storm]] is the dream
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Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays .
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
deft belfry
but i wouldnt rely on that one-off in the 99
cold quartz
neat duo tho