yeah
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tight wolf
Will cut it I think
deft belfry
i dont see a time where you can make much use of it unless you have your old nawbone yourself and then take an extra turn
tight wolf
Yeah fair
deft belfry
just not a very smooth card on its own
tight wolf
I feel like on the dragon front I have like every good Temur dragon slotted in
Was thinking about adding the other ureni
deft belfry
looking at some of those dragons, i think onslaught is very much worth
the pro black white urenei?
tight wolf
looking at some of those dragons, i think onslaught is very much worth
Thats what I thought, the value ceiling is insane like twinflame
tight wolf
the pro black white urenei?
Yeah
deft belfry
do every red deck in B3 run B act
because of how much it affect your side
wish there is a one sided wipe
but its the most efficient red wipe
tight wolf
do every red deck in B3 run B act
Its a win con with wrathful red dragob
tight wolf
are you losing to boardwipe
Usually because of my ramp package i can recast ureni again and generate value like every turn
My death often is that one turn cycle there I pop off
deft belfry
because in terms of power/combat lethal, simic value, flying evasion/blocks, it covers every field that ureni is good at
tight wolf
And I feel bad one shotting the one other player with a good board state and often lose bc of that
deft belfry
oh lol
tight wolf
But thats a mentality thing
deft belfry
i ve done that
yeah its the efficiency vs trying to kill everyone at once moment
so knowing how much damage you can do is important
too much math
how do you feel about [[leyline of anticipantion]]
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deft belfry
this is for that [[elvish piper]]effect for surprise blocker and everything else
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Creature β Elf Shaman
, 
: You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
"From Gaea grew the world, and the world was silent. From Gaea grew the world's elves, and the world was silent no more." βElvish teaching
1/1
deft belfry
it can discount lot of your ramp into big dragons
tight wolf
And I definitely have to cut temple for ancient tomb
tight wolf
I learned to hate that card
deft belfry
and not having ancient tomb for one of your GC in a ramp deck
tight wolf
Total trap
deft belfry
XD
tight wolf
I ran mana vault before
deft belfry
i run it in like 2/20+ decks when i have like 37+ lands mana base
its more of a trap in precon imo
tight wolf
its more of a trap in precon imo
For sure
deft belfry
i dont mind it as much because with green, its easy to skyshroud claim and end on 4+ land with temple
and its my budget tomb XD
tight wolf
Yeah, I want to foil out the deck so I have to drop like 100β¬ on the tomb
Was thinking about stonehenge aswell
deft belfry
yeah.. i dont think [[the great henge]] is worth that price tag but as a card that does everything , iti s definitely one of them
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs 
less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
: Add . You gain 2 life.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on it and draw a card.
deft belfry
and the worse feeling is when
a deck gets too overtuned, gets into a powerlevel where it lost its place to be played fairly
and the pricey cards that you dont get to use
but i am not good with those money things or finanical adviser so thats entire on the player
tight wolf
I ran urzas saga too but at the time it could only fetch sol ring and mana vault so I cut it
deft belfry
i just build decks and paint my ideal game experience as i go
i love how no one ever try saga into [[lavaspur boots]]
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Artifact β Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has haste and ward 
. (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Equip
These boots were made for far more than walking.
deft belfry
its freaken HASTE tutor
tight wolf
Oh
That sounds interesting
Getting out a haste enabler in turn 2-5 is usually insane in my deck bc of double triggers
deft belfry
yep
i am not too concern about your mana base since you got that going
the play pattern is really just , land > ramp > cheat out dragons with anything
the inconcsistency with what dragon you get is part of the fun thus fewer tutors
tight wolf
Yep, I thought maybe it becomes boring but flipping 8 cards and put one shiny flashy dragon in is always fun
It was a ur dragon deck before and oh boy, that was boring
deft belfry
so it just depends on, once there are enough tribal matter aka it is a high value dragon 30+, mana production package 50ish cards, what remains in the 20-below cards in the 99
ah that make sense, its not like you need orzhov dragons anyways
tight wolf
There are some ones I like and I lost the graveyard recursion but that doesnt really matter bc I just pull out a new threat
deft belfry
overlaps is probably the best way to get that synergy and "more" things that covers both sides, the omens are solid there
i would probably not run [[fog]]
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deft belfry
as mentioned all those other fog just have better and stronger utility
tight wolf
Omens?
deft belfry
as a non blue/control player , i am not a huge fan of [[marang river regent]] but it is a big flyer with an alternative cost
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Creature β Dragon
Flying
When this creature enters, return up to two other target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
6/7
Coil and Catch 
Instant β Omen
Draw three cards, then discard a card. (Then shuffle this card into its owner's library.)
tight wolf
Marang proved quite nice when flipped into, its like bounce two threats and get a body
deft belfry
yep
i think those are part of the utility that leyline can offer
where as sneak attack you can get stuff out of hand. on opponents end step into an attack
i like being able to give ureni that psuedo haste
tight wolf
So kind of like defense of the heart
tight wolf
I just learned how sneak attack can be used in an opponents end step
And survive for your turn
deft belfry
yep
deft belfry
opotential for command beacon as well
deft belfry
anyways i gtg eat
tight wolf
Thank you very much
deft belfry
Np
deft belfry
I just learned how sneak attack can be used in an opponents end step
yeah, so a lot of the times its not the card quality or the deck,its about the tools availible to you and how its used. I know leyline is not very good lot of the times and not needed to play at flash speed, but for the sake of trying to find that timing that fits your deck i would recommand it so you can get a safe swing in with commander etb + attack trigger
in terms of utility, its probably slightly worse than just having a good old [[fervor]] aka [[rising of the day]]
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Enchantment
Creatures you control have haste. (They can attack and as soon as they come under your control.)
"We won't sit like lazy gob-slugs waiting for death to come to us. We'll bring death, shiny sharp, to our enemies." βKrenko, mob boss
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my favourite card is possibility storm, but its hard to work around it and it is a somewhat high cost spell with that Removal Magnet sign stapled onto it
my choice of "protection" would try to cast a [[release to the wind]] from impulse draw
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deft belfry
so i can either recast it, or use it to disrupt a sorcery speed loop
it turns a somewhat janky spell into a modal card that can both protect and disrupt
if the deck happens to run something like a [[apex devastator]]
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deft belfry
all of a sudden its just extra synergy and value
deft belfry
looking at the colours of deck i think i am so bad at playing Bant XD i made so many misplays since the play style bored the heck out of me
when i am not Rakdos my brain goes
frank bolt
i didnt even notice the colors lol...
deft belfry
i didnt even notice the colors lol...
sorry i trolled
as long as those "gifts" doesnt really kill that player
or destroy their game plan
i dont think those are really bad gifts
they are more like minor pranks of hinderince
the opponent who is taking that 10/10 and dont have chump block is the real victim here
so the ideal scenario is just you having all those "cannot be sacrificed" big beater (including commander) and you either give him that hexproof and/or indestructible
and that HOMEWARD PATH
your way to victory
frank bolt
yeah thats the way
homeward path would often be the main target for grim and demonic tutor
deft belfry
double down with that land tutor [[explorer's map]]
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Card
(Theme color: .)
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
"I use maps to find out where explorers have already been. Then I go the other way." βJavad Nasrin, Ondu relic hunter
deft belfry
i still trying to. find a home for my japanese text [[urza cave]]
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Land β Urza's Cave
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
No matter how deep Urza delved, he couldn't escape his regrets.
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frank bolt
nice
deft belfry
now i have a legit reason to run the hated temple of the false god
frank bolt
but yeah i wanted to avoid the worst gifts such as those phyrexian guys that make you sac permanents for every 1 damage
and also those golems that say that you cant play creatures and eyes that dont let you attack
deft belfry
you dont know how much i want to [[wrong turn]] away a [[dralnu, lich lord]] and watch them suffer
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Legendary Creature β Zombie Wizard
If damage would be dealt to Dralnu, sacrifice that many permanents instead.
: Target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
3/3
deft belfry
i want to build a commander deck around it
and i will reanimate dralnu, flashback wrong turn a second itme
frank bolt
i would get my ass kicked out of my pod if i would play those π
deft belfry
its funny the first time XD
frank bolt
im not sure theyd agree, but i would have fun π
deft belfry
"are you sure, you want to B act this board... my blood artist will hurt a lot"
frank bolt
im thinking maybe i should add something that gets value when my unblockables connect or when i draw cards
deft belfry
"jk i give you my gift with all my sincerity, Behold, Dralnu"
yeah
card draw is just an engine, not exactly a win con
i have [[the rani]] jank deck
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frank bolt
yeah, the wincons are scarce in Jon
deft belfry
not a single removal that takes a permanent off the field, it only ADDs to the board
trying to pull off that full board [[glimpse of tomorrow]]
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Sorcery
Suspend 3β
Shuffle all permanents you own into your library, then reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put all non-Aura permanent cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then do the same for Aura cards, then put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
deft belfry
actually thats not all true, i do have ninjutsu so it can bounce things
but for the most part i am here to spam some goading tokens, if things connect i get clues
so as long as i keep all those enchantment aura and aritfacts i will have like 3 times more permanents than non tokens decks
frank bolt
that glimpse could be devastating lol
deft belfry
but its a roulette with how much janks is in the deck
frank bolt
never seen that tactic before, very interesting
deft belfry
i lose. all lands too
deft belfry
i think i have yet to add [[foretold]] so i can cheat it in for free
deft belfry
crap what is it called
frank bolt
i took the Azula voltron deck for a first spin in my pod couple days ago. They didnt appreciate me killing everyone from 40 life turn 5 with one attack π
[[Soul's Fire]] is sick with it
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deft belfry
[[as foretold]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay 
rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.
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Artifact
If you would copy a spell one or more times, instead copy it that many times plus an additional time. You may choose new targets for the additional copy.
, : Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
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yeah its in the deck, also have [[roaming throne]] and [[veyran voice of duality]]
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Artifact Creature β Golem
Ward
As this creature enters, choose a creature type.
This creature is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4
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deft belfry
to be in my LGS and i forgot to look for it in the store with no catelog
frank bolt
that would go well with new ashling commander
deft belfry
yeah it basically quadrauple the token side and still get the initial one as well
ashling didnt interest me that much tho
it kinda say, certain spells now cast 4 and you have 5 colours in your deck
ignore commander identity restriction
frank bolt
yeah
deft belfry
and face commanders are easy to find upgrade, budget/expensive list, netdeck etc
frank bolt
add some cost reduction cards and you'll be casting the evoke cost for free
deft belfry
and all the good stuff must have cards
it turns the 99 format into like a 15 cards brew
frank bolt
yeah
deft belfry
you can play what you find fun
but it is no longer your own specific pet
if i have a morophone deck i may consider it
frank bolt
yep, i try to be somewhat original with my decks. dont like to just pick one thats top 10 in edhrec like edgar markov or ur dragon
deft belfry
i want to cost morophone for nearly free with like [[!gargos vicious watcher]] in the 99
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frank bolt
nice
deft belfry
have you ever watch edhrec cast's potcast
frank bolt
no
deft belfry
its so much better than the site imo
the site give you numbers and all the good stuff that sometimes dont even make sense
frank bolt
ill take a look. usually i just watch tolarian academy and card market videos
deft belfry
but even if you understand them, there are just too many cards
and the 3 host has the dynamic with very simple and different types of player
like Timmy Johnny... and the hispter Dana
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hipster dana π
deft belfry
so it shows their diff takens on cards, and talking about how to analysis those numbers
i havent really run [[beast within]] for any of my B2 decks for so long (i probably should) because i find so much other things i can do
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deft belfry
but i also dont really play mono colour decks to the point where i need this type of efficient removal
frank bolt
i run it in my [[fynn the fangbearer]] deck
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deft belfry
if 90% of the time i am going to remove a creature, i care more about having a [[terror]] type of effect
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deft belfry
and i want it to be like a combat trick with my trample creature
why pay 3 when i can do it at 2
frank bolt
yeah but in mono green theres not many options apart from fight cards
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deft belfry
i want to get this card, havent find one
if you have trample, this matters more with that excess damage
frank bolt
yeah, sadly doesnt work with fynns ability. BUT does work with Infect
deft belfry
green removal is more like, "dont touch my things, because it bites hard"
well, deathtouch will one shot anything
frank bolt
sure
the whole poison mechanic feels sometimes borderline OP
just get everyone poisoned and then stall and proliferate
life totals dont matter
deft belfry
[[taunting elf]] XD
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deft belfry
when [[lure]] meets a 1 drop
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Creature β Phyrexian Dinosaur
This spell can't be countered.
Trample, ward 
, haste
Toxic 4 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get four poison counters.)
8/8
deft belfry
yeah, i think my point about beast within is more so, if you dont need that versatile flexibiliy and you arent mono green, there is usually something else
something more jank, fun, and personal
Fun with Fynn sounds so ironic
frank bolt
my pod has developed from fun jank to more staple filled decks and i have to adapt too
haha
frank bolt
its always a one man party π
your friend come to the party one time and never again
deft belfry
waiting for a [[tower winder]] reprint so i can get it for no more than $2
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frank bolt
its very good
deft belfry
your friend come to the party one time and never again
at least give them edible food [[asmoranomadicauldinastina]]
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deft belfry
[[asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar]]
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Legendary Creature β Human Wizard
As long as you've discarded a card this turn, you may pay 
to cast this spell.
When Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar enters, you may search your library for a card named The Underworld Cookbook, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Sacrifice two Foods: Target creature deals 6 damage to itself.
3/3
frank bolt
im not surprised you didnt get that right immediately π
deft belfry
i sounded it out
but brain goes derp
also swaped the mid and end part
i blame the bot
stipid AI not recongnizing my typos and dyxleslic speaking pattern
`i know bot is not an AI
frank bolt
π
know any cards off the top of your head like [[bitterbloom bearer]] or [[ophiomancer]]
frank bolt
in dimir
frank bolt
π
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frank bolt
blocking and evasive gifts
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deft belfry
[[homuculus horde]]
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deft belfry
[[thopter fabricator]]
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frank bolt
thoptes is quite nice
thopter
sure youd need to have two gifted creatures per opponent for it to trigger
deft belfry
or double your draw, or instant [[opt]]
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frank bolt
i could with good conscience proxy throne as i have the real one π
thats actually pretty sick
oh it doesnt double draw after all
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frank bolt
it says another creature you control
deft belfry
thats a trigger
frank bolt
i meant for goaded creatures i have given away
deft belfry
lol
frank bolt
i somehow got it mixed up
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A"each"+o%3A"create+a+1%2F1"+c<%3Dbu&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name i did each instead of beginning
[[call of the bloodline]] may work
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Enchantment
, Discard a card: Create a 1/1 black Vampire Knight creature token with lifelink. Activate only once each turn.
At Sorin's appeal, Olivia Voldaren summoned the full might of her bloodline to gather at Lurenbraum Fortress.
frank bolt
not bad either, if i get jon rolling i would have plenty of cards to discard
cheap blockers instant speed
once each turn is a bummer though
deft belfry
i think its meh
frank bolt
ohh but you can do it in every opponents turn
deft belfry
[[the raven man]]
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Legendary Creature β Human Wizard
At the beginning of each end step, if a player discarded a card this turn, create a 1/1 black Bird creature token with flying and "This token can't block."
, : Each opponent discards a card. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/1
deft belfry
yes, thats the point opponents turn, turn useless cards into 1/1s
raven man doesnt work on its own so its ahrd to get the flyer out
frank bolt
yeaah
deft belfry
[[wingblade disciple]] need spell cast
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deft belfry
[[minn wily illusionist]] is kinda the best [[mischievous mystic]]
deft belfry
actually i missed [[foggy swamp spirit keeper]]
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frank bolt
π
deft belfry
single use i think its hard to beat the utility from [[canoptek scarab swarm]]
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deft belfry
this card is so good everytime i played it
even 4 flyers it is worth that mana
its like the hornet queen at half the cost
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A"beginning"+o%3A"create+a+1%2F1"+c<%3Dbu+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name the rest of that
frank bolt
hmmm not too bad. quite situational though. fetch lands sure but how often opponents have artifacts in graveyards
deft belfry
the bitterbloosom and stuff
as the game goes
cards get destroyed, discarded, mill
can exile your own if you need flyers
with 10 flyers out its basically a clock threaten for lethal
and with 4 cards 5 power i think its worth that 4 mana
at 20 cards, its still 4 mana
UNLESS* you run [[midnight clock]] then you will have no grave
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Artifact
: Add .
: Put an hour counter on this artifact.
At the beginning of each upkeep, put an hour counter on this artifact.
When the twelfth hour counter is put on this artifact, shuffle your hand and graveyard into your library, then draw seven cards. Exile this artifact.
frank bolt
yeah but in early game its a dead draw
deft belfry
i can see it being a little bit worse
you can bounce it back to your hand later
one dead card is nothing when you are going to get your engine
to draw a lot
frank bolt
bitterblossom makes sense though
deft belfry
the price tag is probably the turn off
well, end of the day, i was never really disappointed by the utility of scarab swarm
attacker blocker, grave exile
everything is tehre
i guess there is [[thoper spy network]] alter win con
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deft belfry
slow but steady tokens
gtg bye bye
with* both, thats probably 10 1/1 flier for the win con
oh wait wrong* card
i was thing of the production one
oops
frank bolt
how about that [[parasitic implant]] opponent cant sac the enchanted creature
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frank bolt
https://scryfall.com/card/moc/241/thopter-spy-network
i like this
bu then again i dont have that many artifacts
frank bolt
gtg bye bye
thanks for the conversation!
deft belfry
what i had in mind was [[mechanize production]]
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deft belfry
lot of the synergy would work with the negative unkeep that trigger at the beginning so by the time those things comes in, the copy version dont have that issue
if you go harder on artifact land and some mana rocks, i think there are enough artifact synergy for those unkeep artifact matter things
gilded timber
Hey ! Its me again, i asked you about a week or two ago about my [[Kona, Rescue Beastie]] deck. I worked a bit on it to add more creatures, have a better draw engine ( i was mostly using ETB green draw but wasnt really effective with my deck). I now need to make some cuts but dont know what. If you see some changes that are needed dont hesitate ! (https://moxfield.com/decks/vjVNzEWUSkGC075EnVGodg)
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deft belfry
i think one of the card i suggested was [[regal force]] last time
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deft belfry
i think it will do more than soul harvest?
deft belfry
[[kodama of the east tree]] seems redundant
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deft belfry
when you can already cheat anything into paly
play
[[hunter insight]][[lifes legacy]][[momentous fall]][[soul s majesty]] is probably the worst one but same thing
deft belfry
[[gurruk primal hunter]] just a second copy of garruk draw
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deft belfry
the standard repeatable one i think you have gotten most if not all of them [[tribute to the world tree]] elemental bond]] i guess there are [[abzan beastmaster]] and [[colossal majesty]] too for the slow ones
deft belfry
i dont like them because they feel like dependent phyrexian arena
[[shamanic revlation]] cares more about go wide
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deft belfry
fecundity]] helps other players and also prefer going wide
those power matter draw should be enough to get you the creature you want
one of my favourite green commander was [[gothama]]
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deft belfry
[[grothama, all devour]]
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deft belfry
its a bit awkward to kill it yourself but it is like trading 2 cards for lot of cards similar to lifes legacy
and it has some synergy with vigor to give every other than +10 counters
i am sure you would rather add more draw than to take out the drop your hand down Ghalta
tbf the deck already ran out of room
it simplify things to big creatures/permanent, lands, things to turn commander online either by tapping it or something, tutors that are wild cards, and the rest
plug each type into the hypergeometric calculator to get the desirable numbers %
some of the things like the mana dorks that taps your commander, i would count those as ramp/ mana source as well
so a minimal of 4 mana, cast commander, tap commander perhaps with 5th mana or untap following turn
so my guess is roughly half and half
things that helps cheat things into play, and thing to be cheated into play
i dont favour [[rogue passage]] here since it cost so much mana to activate
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Land
: Add .
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Rumors quickly spread among thieves about a labyrinth without walls and a prize beyond all measures of worth.
deft belfry
[[darksteel colossol]] seems meh
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deft belfry
11 trample takes 4 hits to deal lethal, compare to ghalta at a much lower casting cost in case you have to play it, blightsteel can be lethal in a single hit
i would rather use [[khalni garden]] so i can tap it for the mana dorks before Kona is out
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, create a 0/1 green Plant creature token.
: Add .
deft belfry
over colourless mana source
i am meh on [[last march of ents]] since you have to cast it for 8
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deft belfry
[[tutan of industr]] for example, can give two creature at the cost of one card
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[[soul of the harvest]]
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deft belfry
is probably worse than Guardian project but the function is the same so those can be overlooked
as long as oyu dont run out of cards and the set up is good, i dont think you need too much changes in the deck
gilded timber
i think one of the card i suggested was [[regal force]] last time
I feel like Regal force wont draw me that much card, and for 8 mana i would rather cheat something else on the board using Kona
gilded timber
[[hunter insight]][[lifes legacy]][[momentous fall]][[soul s majesty]] is probab...
I should probably add Momentous Falls to get some answers to removal
gilded timber
https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/264/rogues-passage
I generally use it for Blightsteel to assure lethal
gilded timber
[[darksteel colossol]] seems meh
I know, was looking for other finishers. I have [[It That Betrays]] in a binder somewhere but i fear the anihilator keyword will trigger some people
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sweet ember
Hey @deft belfry, back here for advice. After looking through my deck, I realized it has a lot of cool cards, but I feel Im neglecting the basics a bit. Mostly in that my removal spells are almost all repurposed combo pieces. I added some cards and shuffled things around a bit, but now I cut some of my original win cons and I was thinking just Valley Floodcaller, Hullbreaker Horror, and Banner of Kinship might not be enough so I looked for alternative win cons
sweet ember
I was thinking of placing the original [[Jin-Gitaxias//Great Synthesis]] as a finisher, but I was wondering if it was worth it
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Legendary Creature β Phyrexian Praetor
Ward
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell with mana value 3 or greater, draw a card.
: Exile Jin-Gitaxias, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if you have seven or more cards in hand.
5/5
The Great Synthesis
Enchantment β Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I β Draw cards equal to the number of cards in your hand. You have no maximum hand size for as long as you control this Saga.
II β Return all non-Phyrexian creatures to their owners' hands.
III β You may cast any number of spells from your hand without paying their mana costs. Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
sweet ember
I was also wondering if you thought [[Baral, Chief of COmpliance]] would be good in the 99
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Legendary Creature β Human Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever a spell or ability you control counters a spell, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card.
"The echo of silence is music to my ears."
1/3
deft belfry
I know, was looking for other finishers. I have [[It That Betrays]] in a binder ...
i think its fine? but you dont need to be aware where you point it toward
its a lot more fair than blightsteel imo
darksteel too weak, blightsteel too unfair is how i see them, to bad there arent much in between
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deft belfry
i never even considered that anthem to be a win con XD
deft belfry
I was thinking of placing the original [[Jin-Gitaxias//Great Synthesis]] as a fi...
the draw is nice but if you have to pay the full price of all that mana i doubt you are getting too far ahead with it. 5 to cast, 4 to flip, is hard to happen until late game
deft belfry
I was also wondering if you thought [[Baral, Chief of COmpliance]] would be good...
yes, its just a medallion here
deft belfry
I feel like Regal force wont draw me that much card, and for 8 mana i would rath...
last of all, the mana cost itself isnt the biggest deal since its either: you can hard cast it or you only cheat it in with Kona engine. as long as you are getting back the card you put in, to balance the input and output, anything goes
wicked gust
I threw together a mono white lifegain angel tribal deck for fun, thoughts? https://moxfield.com/decks/BM22Im5EIESMilUXxv8xGw
deft belfry
holy crap, that textured foil Giada art is so messed up i didnt recognize it XD literally HOLY CRAP
fyi i usually say holy fuk instead
[[mass calcify]] havent seen a 7 drop one sided wipe forever XD racist colour hate/support cards π― are great old school magic
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deft belfry
i am meh on parhelion since it is so slow as a vehicle
as a card i like it more than any angels but in game i think it is very situational
the one spell per turn, as well as most of your best angels already have life link seems to have a lot of overlaped redundant keyword
otherwise its probably fine as long as you hit your land drop and go up the curve, i would prefer a lower avg mana cost especially in a mono coloured deck; limited card advantage and ramp options
also very predictable since it is just tapping out to play big angels each turn
i would easily go over 36 lands in this type of deck and potentially cards that guarantee a land each turn
sweet ember
the draw is nice but if you have to pay the full price of all that mana i doubt ...
So Jin is getting cut then? I can think of some fringe interaction with [[Gifts Ungiven]] since he's a Praetor and they have a reputation that will likely lead them to Graveyard him, which means I can use Reenact the Crime for a 1 mana discount, though if I have Barl or Saphire MEdallion out it will be a 2 mna discount
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sweet ember
Wait, since he has Ward 2, do you think he'll survive a turn cycle (Assuming I cant just flash him in with Borne on the Wind/Emergence Zone)?
deft belfry
surviving isnt an issue, jsut the amount of mana to get the payoff
sweet ember
Hmm, yes the problem here is 3 turn cycles for that pay off
Thats a very telegraphed win
deft belfry
for fun i completely approval π
but whenever it gets removed it drops your excitement level to absolute zero
and then misplay and stuff XD
wicked gust
i would easily go over 36 lands in this type of deck and potentially cards that ...
I did cut the melding angels and add 2 more lands making 38
sweet ember
Hmmm
$11 is a lot
But I do like the Praetors as a matter of course
Fuck it, Praetors are popular anyways, worst case scenario I'll just sell him for a better pric
wicked gust
I'm really liking the idea of [[Calamity, inferno]] as a commander but not sure about what can be "game enders" in mono red other than maybe cloning big eldrazi. Thoughts on my current build? https://moxfield.com/decks/hyEjW8n_JU2Wd320rxWLDw
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deft belfry
I'm really liking the idea of [[Calamity, inferno]] as a commander but not sure ...
i would never go for eldrazi s clones because it means they are going to be worse than the avg trample beater
eldrazi has cast triggers, annihilator attack triggers
calamity really only care about tokens that has good etb/ combat trigger / dodge your negative abilities/ token matters, etc
i think you want to build this only if you find a bunch of creatures that interest you
you can look at your jank for etb/ltb whatever crap that seems weird and unplayable but with casting cost reduced by 1/3
[[inferno project]] just saw this 60cent thingy
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wicked gust
Uh...probably won't get too big in this instance
wicked gust
Some yes but some are personal/what I remember liking with my old [[orthion]] deck which was similar
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Legendary Creature β Human Soldier
, : Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
, : Create five tokens that are copies of another target creature you control. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3
deft belfry
not necessary better but more synergy?
because lot of the good cards are so good they dont care about what the deck does
commander plate
that protection will make you unblockable although all your red board wipes still hits it
all those creatures coming in are still easy to chump block if the damage adds up
impact tremour are just red deck creature etb spam, from: purphros, Krenko, Norin, red token go wipe = group slug
calamity cares more about creatures that are harder to make and the payoff are the attacking clone
wicked gust
So remove most of the value stuff for non legendary big hitters?
deft belfry
or just do what you find fun
i lost my fun in winning with warstorm surge and find 6 drop to cost too much, so i stopped using that one in decks
wicked gust
I guess cloning big creatures with keywords. Like the [[ball lightning]] cards could be interesting
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Creature β Elemental
Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
Haste (This creature can attack and as soon as it comes under your control.)
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature.
6/1
deft belfry
terror of the peak is very pricey and basically the same effect that is a magnet for removals. unless i pull one and have a higher power deck, i would probably not fit it most decks
deft belfry
I guess cloning big creatures with keywords. Like the [[ball lightning]] cards c...
yeah as long as it interest you
terror of the peak is for sure one of the most busted ones
wicked gust
terror of the peak is very pricey and basically the same effect that is a magnet...
I pulled a foil OG m21 terror during pre release so I'm good
deft belfry
with twinflame tyrant and whatever doubler, your damage is off the chart too
deft belfry
I pulled a foil OG m21 terror during pre release so I'm good
how many decks do you own that runs it
deft belfry
i would probably prefer it in a B3 deck but thats just personal preference
wicked gust
None of my current decks run it, some old ones did
deft belfry
it will warp the game around killing and reanimating it π
wicked gust
It was in my og phoenix tribal [[syrix]] but now it's in a top loader I believe
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deft belfry
yeah, its a nice trophy card to dislay
display
do calamity go infinite if you have
wicked gust
I plan on putting my value cards in a binder and perfect fit sleeves so I dont just have em knocking around in top loaders in bundle boxes
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wicked gust
Don't own it, only 40k cards I own are from the humans esper deck
But I do wanna try and get that demon 40k precon, it looks fun
deft belfry
are you getting TMNTs?
wicked gust
Nope
I never liked it. I may get a few random singles if a commander or one odd card interests me
deft belfry
the powercreep already looks insane to chase after
wicked gust
I think the only one that looked cool is fhsy rakdos hybrid commander
Oh and some colorless one that makes all colorless creatures base 9/9 flying trample indestructible
This guy
wicked gust
I mixed up what it can do
He also looks fun
Could be a replacement/auto include in calamity
deft belfry
yeah wait til your wife pop snother hitter for you
wicked gust
Other than those 2 cards and whatever good +1/+1 counters I wanna grab for my 3 +1 counters decks, tidus precon, shadrix orzhov, and boros sephiroth, its a set im ignoring. I can't wait fit strixhaven secrets
I'm 50/50 on this, a fun way to do ninjas and I love orzhov
This is almost 100% a +1/+1 counters set
deft belfry
[[mutagen]]
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Token Artifact β Mutagen
, , Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
will talk about this later sleepy almost 1 am π
brave dragon
Hey everyone
I came up with an idea of a low bracket creatureless [saruman, the white hand] deck and would love to know your opinion if this could be playable
[[saruman, the white hand]]
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Legendary Creature β Avatar Wizard
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, amass Orcs X, where X is that spell's mana value. (Put X +1/+1 counters on an Army you control. It's also an Orc. If you don't control an Army, create a 0/0 black Orc Army creature token first.)
Goblins and Orcs you control have ward .
Over all his works a dark smoke hung and wrapped itself about the sides of Orthanc.
2/5
brave dragon
The goal is to protect saruman and orc army as long as possible while building tall the army to attack with trample or to sac to effects like [[fling]]
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brave dragon
I wanted to have effects like [[propaganda]] and [[no mercy]] and also free cast from spells like [[arcane bombardment]]
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Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"The cost of your opposition will be extracted from your wits." βNekusar, the Mindrazer
brave dragon
Is it possible to pull off? Decklist https://moxfield.com/decks/QnyKPzhtmE2W2ROEPuc8iA
At first I was aiming to use more free cast spells or creature stealing but I understand this kind of gamellay needs a lot of protection
Anyway it's supposed to be low bracket
sweet ember
Hey Monomon, I wanted to ask if you thought [[Etherium Sculptor]] and [[Temporal Anchor]] would be worth it in my deck?
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Artifact Creature β Vedalken Artificer
Artifact spells you cast cost less to cast.
The greatest masters of the craft abandon tools altogether, shaping metal with hand and mind alone.
1/2
sweet ember
I'm running about 19 Artifacts, but even if most of them are mana rocks my thought process was that a chance to reduce their cost by 1 is invaluable in expanding the amount of Artifacts I can use to start off my [[Valley Floodcaller]]+[[Retraction Helix]] combo, from just Sol Ring to any mana rock, and the same goes with the [[Hullbreaker Horror]] combo changing it from needing Sol Ring and another mana rock to go infinite to only needing any two 2 drop mana rocks
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gains ": Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand."
Where the geometries of the world collapse, a master of the aether can harvest power beyond comprehending.
sweet ember
I was also playing around with more generally applicable Theft effects like [[Rite of Replication]]ing an [[Agent of Treachery]] or pulling up with a [[Thieving Skydiver]] to neutralize troublesome Artifacts
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Sorcery
Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
Creature β Merfolk Rogue
Kicker . X can't be 0. (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Flying
When this creature enters, if it was kicked, gain control of target artifact with mana value X or less. If that artifact is an Equipment, attach it to this creature.
2/1
sweet ember
Hey Monomon, I wanted to ask if you thought [[Etherium Sculptor]] and [[Temporal...
As for Temporal Anchor, well I'm Scrying 2 every turn and figured that I couldstart safely putting Lands or non-Instants I dont currently need in the bottom since it practically turns the Cards I exile into draw, though I'd need to protect it
deft belfry
This is almost 100% a +1/+1 counters set
actually i think its a go wide ninju army deck, because you dont need to grow tall when everything can has deathtouch, and need 3 other ninjas (to survive) on board for that ability to trigger after sneaking it in on block. and the deathtouch only applies to things that got blocked
wicked gust
Fair
deft belfry
know those two cards?
one is like single use sneak attack but the creature ends up back in your hand
perhaps it s more fitting for blightsteel one shot but the fact it would give some back up even without commander and the utility seems like what a mono red attack deck wants
and arni...
wicked gust
I do own that arni
deft belfry
its a neat way to sneak in more attackers at a low cost
i never built that one but i just remember it exist
i guess its like that boar god but with extra steps
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wicked gust
Pulled a lot of him
deft belfry
[[$ilharg raze boar]]
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wicked gust
Dang I should sell my extra og wots copies
deft belfry
yeah, all of those red legendary just loves [[!anticausal vistage]] such a good card
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wicked gust
I did want to make a commander deck of him back in the day
deft belfry
(β―Β°β‘Β°)β―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
wicked gust
[[Ancestral visage]] ?
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Sorcery
Suspend 4β (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Target player draws three cards.
wicked gust
No
deft belfry
kek
wicked gust
No clue what card you mean
wicked gust
Mono red needs all the anticasual
Mono red is one of the weakee commander colors
It's barely $2
deft belfry
shows $3 on my side USD
card kingdom is USD right?
and i pay CAD so $2.5 would have been a steal
i should have bought [[twilight diviner]] before it spiked up
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deft belfry
misjudge on my part for waiting on it
nowhere near as bad at missing the artifact stuff that are like 3x their price tho
anyways, [[skyscanner]] i think this is too weak
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deft belfry
i can somewhat overlook the ones with both etb and ltb
but in general, if calamity is making copy of one thing
2 attacking copies
i probably want something that is worth more than its own 6 mana
maybe a good 4 drop so 2 of them is about 8 mana worth
[[!fanatic of mogis]] is such a menace in [[Rionya fire dancer]]
wicked gust
i should have bought [[twilight diviner]] before it spiked up
I just pulled one and it was an mvp in my mardu terra deck
Mardu terra phoenix deck
deft belfry
i pull nothing since i bought nothing at all, spend on all singles from set from last year
wicked gust
....yes the wife picked and opened the 2 packs we got randomly at Walmart XD
deft belfry
oh [[!dragon tamer]] is another weak one, not worth imo
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wicked gust
The other was [[morningtide light]]
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deft belfry
[[!dragon trainer]]*
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wicked gust
Swap it for [[red dragon]] for stupid burn damage,
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wicked gust
Maybe [[Spawn of thraxes]]?
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wicked gust
Or more mana/draw affects?
[[Rapacious dragon]] van be almost guarantee damage and 4 treasures
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Creature β Dragon
Flying
When this creature enters, create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"Surely it won't notice if I takeβ" βTheria the Sly, last words
3/3
wicked gust
Maybe even [[emrakul hatcher]]
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Creature β Eldrazi Drone
When this creature enters, create three 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens. They have "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Wordlessly it leads its abhorrent brood.
3/3
deft belfry
The other was [[morningtide light]]
although thats sorcery speed which completely changes how it works compare to the normal protection spell
wicked gust
It still saved the table last game I played against an army of dalek token creatures
And helped me win
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/ddp/59/emrakuls-hatcher
love this and thought of it but i would do [[rapacious one]] here since it is also attacking
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Creature β Eldrazi Drone
Trample
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, create that many 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens. They have "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
5/4
wicked gust
Interesting
deft belfry
it do cost one more and
not guarantee
so the higher risk more reward fits my own playstyle more
but i can potentially give [[violent urgent]] for double the value
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deft belfry
and the unsuspected combat trick usually throw people off
deft belfry
it doesnt draw
deft belfry
meh, your creatures are always attacking
nice, better work another 20 hrs and die from overwork π
deft belfry
slip you a piece of paper and point where to sign
btw, the cheapest way to cheat out a creature in red seems to be [[trash for treasure]] reanimate
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Enchantment
: You may put a creature card with total power and toughness 5 or less from your hand onto the battlefield. That creature gains haste. At the beginning of the next end step, sacrifice that creature.
"Charge! Aim for the cuticles!"
deft belfry
I don't work tonight...I AM IMMORTAL
pheonix dies first than comes back, is that immortality?
is [[ilharg rze]] a 5 or 6 drop
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deft belfry
[[ilharg raze]]
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Enchantment β Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has haste.
: Enchanted creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
When a creature with mana value 6 or greater enters, you may return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield attached to that creature.
deft belfry
the coolest part of saddle and tokens is that it basically bypass a creature lacking haste
but haste in red is so important so i think it can be a backup plan
ofc it matters more if my commander dont have haste such as [[the master multiplied]]
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wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
Is it possible to pull off? Decklist https://moxfield.com/decks/QnyKPzhtmE2W2ROE...
[[!team pennant]] thats a fun card i missed from the set
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deft belfry
so its voltron with the orcs token
card draw will be the struggle
and board presence, since it has all the weakness of "all eggs in one basket" voltron style
brave dragon
Yeah that's why I don't think about it as a high power contender
Just for the theme mainly
No creatures in the deck plus tall army
I kind of wanted more of these [[no mercy]] and free cast spells but it wouldn't be able to keep saruman on the table at all
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deft belfry
reminds me of that Ovika deck
which is go wipe with haste 1/1s
one interesting thing is that
if you have those burn wipes, your creature gets all the counters before the burn comes down
B act is 9 counters
cascade is nice too since thats guarantee casting 2 spells for one
[[possibility storm]] again double spell cast
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deft belfry
maybe you can do the [[widespread brutality]] morophone wipe?
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Enchantment
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying, where X is that spell's mana value.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying.
deft belfry
the OG slip out the back [[reality ripple]]
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deft belfry
[[march of swirling mist]]
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)
deft belfry
i guess it just depends on how much big spells you can cast while protecting the commander
and at the best speed as well [[mindsplice apparatus]]
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Artifact
Flash
At the beginning of your upkeep, put an oil counter on this artifact.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast for each oil counter on this artifact.
deft belfry
i would have a harder time balance between the grixis colours
[[crawl space]][[mudslide]][[collective restraint]][[koskun falls]]
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Enchantment
Creatures without flying don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player may choose any number of tapped creatures without flying they control and pay for each creature chosen this way. If the player does, untap those creatures.
Enchantment
Domain β Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you, where X is the number of basic land types among lands you control.
World Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this enchantment unless you tap an untapped creature you control.
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
deft belfry
I wanted to have effects like [[propaganda]] and [[no mercy]] and also free cast...
dependso n how defensive you want to be, too much of those are kinda staxy
deft belfry
Hey Monomon, I wanted to ask if you thought [[Etherium Sculptor]] and [[Temporal...
sculptor solid cost reductor, but it depends on artifact count in the deck, if its like 10+ ish its not that great. anchor s effect is nice but never dismiss the initial 6 cost, its basically saying "draw more cards" until it is gone. so all scry becomes impulse-draw similar to [[Eligeth crossroads augur]]
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deft belfry
I'm running about 19 Artifacts, but even if most of them are mana rocks my thoug...
if you want to combo, that cost reduction is a lot more important
if anything the price to pay for sculptor is in its price tag, i think its at its lowest rn with the precon [[$etherium sculptor]]
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deft belfry
As for Temporal Anchor, well I'm Scrying 2 every turn and figured that I couldst...
overall, i think those depends on the curve and where you feel comfortable to play big spells instead of leaving mana open for counterplay. Value engine is something i am more indifferent about as long as it gets your game going
deft belfry
I was also playing around with more generally applicable Theft effects like [[Ri...
most decks cannot affort that 9 cost, but even at 5 its playable, plus its a really fun card, treachery is scary and in decks that can abuse that effect, basically game over. i would not recommand unless thats the power level you want or have zero ways to get to that 7 cost/cheat it out
as for skydiver, there are usually something to steal, but its not really a synergy piece for most decks. so i guess its like a pet card removal spell
sweet ember
Well, I have 2 ways to cheat Agent out ([[Reenact the Crime ]] and [[As Foretold]]), but one requires it to survive for 7 turn cycles and the other is usually being used to bring back any combo pieces sent to the Graveyard when I cast [[Gifts Ungiven]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.
sweet ember
if anything the price to pay for sculptor is in its price tag, i think its at it...
Ok the price is actually pretty good, I think I'll slot that in
deft belfry
[[saruman, the white hand]]
[[let the galaxy burn]] fits all the bills for me, i feel like my would be heavy red [[fall of the titans]]for X spell route or cascade storm route[[volcanic torrent]]
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Instant
Surge (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)
Fall of the Titans deals X damage to each of up to two targets.
As Gideon kept the brood lineages at bay, Chandra incinerated the bound Eldrazi titans.
deft belfry
cascade + P storm style storm deck, i cannot get enough of
[[$wildsear scouring maw]]
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deft belfry
when cards are so rare because no one build the alt commander :/
anyways, i am all about big spells [[season of the bold]][[brass bounty]]
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Sorcery
Choose up to five 
worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
β Create a tapped Treasure token.
β Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play them.
β Until the end of your next turn, whenever you cast a spell, Season of the Bold deals 2 damage to up to one target creature.
Sorcery
For each land you control, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"Why squabble for trinkets when we could be living large off all this gold?" βAdmiral Beckett Brass
Artifact
, : Copy target triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A triggered ability uses the words "when," "whenever," or "at.")
Its tines cannot be rung by mere physical force. Only magic of great power can start its eldritch resonance.
Enchantment β Room
When you unlock this door, create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it's a Reflection in addition to its other creature types.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Fractured Realm
Enchantment β Room
If a triggered ability of a permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
deft belfry
[[primal amulet]]
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Artifact
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a charge counter on this artifact. Then if there are four or more charge counters on it, you may remove those counters and transform it.
Primal Wellspring
Land
(Transforms from Primal Amulet.)
: Add one mana of any color. When that mana is spent to cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy that spell and you may choose new targets for the copy.
deft belfry
copy wont get cast trigger but i dont think that matters once this land flips
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deft belfry
oops
[[mystic reflection]] kill the next thing as it enters as a 0/0 army [[mirrorform]] fun stuff
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Instant
Choose target nonlegendary creature. The next time one or more creatures or planeswalkers enter this turn, they enter as copies of the chosen creature.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
deft belfry
primal wellsping is NOT a legendary permanent btw
So as you control only primal Wellsprings, tap for however many mana that can all copy your next spell XD
or untapper so you only need one wellspring
but most untappers are creatures so that makes it harder
deft belfry
[[march of reckless joy]] i guess its too good if it gets more than 2 cards? also meh on maskwood nexus
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of red cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Exile the top X cards of your library. You may play up to two of those cards until the end of your next turn.
wicked gust
[[!team pennant]] thats a fun card i missed from the set
Good for living weapons decks too
deft belfry
i think that was around covid where i didnt get to play at all
still trying to figure out how to use the spelltable
wicked gust
i think that was around covid where i didnt get to play at all
Same, most sets from commander legends and up to kamegawa Neon Dynasty I wasnt able to do due to covid, which sucked I would of loved to play
deft belfry
i like how one of the spelltable room lables "Wear clothes" i guess they dont want to see some extra bits
deft belfry
just saw this card i wonder i have a deck for it [[you been caught stealing]]
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Sorcery
Choose one β
β’ Threaten the Merchant β Each creature blocks this turn if able.
β’ Bribe the Guards β You create a Treasure token for each opponent who was dealt damage this turn. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
deft belfry
thats a very nice ritual with treasure synergy
because unlike [[ find some prisoners]]
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deft belfry
it doesnt offer card advantage and red needs that more that mana
deft belfry
[[echoing assault]][[delina wild mage]][[Fireflux Squad]][[redoubled stormsinger]]
deft belfry
[[total war]]
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sweet ember
Hey @deft belfry I wonder if you think Eldrazi Monument is worth it? It protects my Creature engines for an honestly negligible cost, but Im not sure if the window between "Has enough birds that Black or Red board wipes are worth protecing against" and "Has enough birds to start pushing for a win" is beg enough to justify it
[[Eldrazi Monument]]
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deft belfry
Hey <@391063794387910656> I wonder if you think Eldrazi Monument is worth it? It...
its basically an athem but that flying part is useless when you already have flying
5 mana sorcery for indestructible is kinda meh when birds are lowkey expendable
better off with "flying creautres get +1/+1" "+2/+0" etc
vagrant bolt
hey monomon i just build a spellslinger deck for the first time and i was wondering if you could take a look at it. im not familiar with the archetype at all but it sounds right up my alley. im trying to burn out my opponents mostly i dont want to go too heavily down the tokens rabbithole. thanks! https://moxfield.com/decks/c4aEdfTGbUyKlJm6RGc4tA
sweet ember
5 mana sorcery for indestructible is kinda meh when birds are lowkey expendable
Typing out my reasoning, where the Monument protects me in that middleground between having too few birds to care about a board wipe and enough that Iβm likely about to draw half my deck and combo out a win already made me hesitant, but your right in the the birds are expendable in the end
Instead, what do you think about abusing the Station mechanic? For example all my non bird Creatures are never attacking because they are value engines first and foremost except for Eluge that needs to attack, so I figured them plus a few birds could be abused to station some pretty nice efffects, mostly on the likes of [[Uthros, Titanic Godcore]] and [[Eternity Elevator]]
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Land β Planet
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Planet. Station only as a sorcery.)
12+ | , : Add for each artifact you control.
Legendary Artifact β Spacecraft
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery.)
20+ | : Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of charge counters on The Eternity Elevator.
sweet ember
With Uthros Iβm not very hesitant because twelve total power for Tolarian Academy is not a very hard sell, especially when itβs a Land that practically guarantees survival until I get it stationed
The question for me is the Eternity Elevator, in that itβs a 5 CMC Artifact that will want protection for at least a few turn cycles, because that is a whopping fuckload of mana
The problem then, is that by the time I have about 15 birds despite interference from other players, Iβm likely in a good enough boardstate that I drew into one of my card draw engines
And at that point I can likely focus more on drawing half my deck and comboing for a win than getting 20 extra mana
I guess I could use it more if I had more anthems aside from Heraldic Banner
But card slots are rough enough as it is, when I donβt even know if I would be better served adding another land or shoring up my removal suite with an actual non-combo piece spot removal spell like Pongify
proper belfry
https://manabox.app/decks/AZxIYXTCcIGastqyN8zByg
My current zombie build. Trying to do tribal zombies. Have 3 win cons, any thoughts on what to change to make this a bit stronger for b3?
deft belfry
Typing out my reasoning, where the Monument protects me in that middleground bet...
its never bad to use the extra resources so planet being one tapped land is a very small downside. It just comes down to the power of that [[tolarian academy]] mana and how well it is used
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Legendary Land
: Add for each artifact you control.
The academy worked with timeβuntil time ran out.
deft belfry
elevator is straight up fun, again, just want ways to make use of that mana, and this time its not a land, so that 5 mana casting cost matters, a lot. Just read the second part of what you said, very on point assessment. land doesnt take a slot as much as an artifact. at some point you wont have that room in the 99 because every deck basically starts with sol ring, arc signet, C tower or roughly 50ish lands+ mana ramp sources, 10 high synergy pieces to keep the things running or stapled together. your cut/swap is technically within those remaining 40 ish cards.
Maybe you want to start over with another deck/similar playstyle or not doesnt matter, blue or not also doesnt matter. Just play what you want. I often not allow myself use overlapped cards outside of mana base
deft belfry
hey monomon i just build a spellslinger deck for the first time and i was wonder...
ok, so to begin, i will give a brief mention about the token part. without blockers, you are most likely to take more attacks than the rest of the table; which is completely fine.
The deck doesnt have much of the control aspect so its just pure turn and burn style spellslinger, one side is keeping up card advantage, the other side is the payoff and dealing damage
which also simplify thing as your win con is like 20 gutternipe triggers for 40 burn
lethal (usually 30ish is enough since there are almost always of sources of dmg and life payments)
sandbagging while keeping yourself safe is often a good way to keep that win-con "hidden" until others can no longer catch up to your engine running at its max
deck seems playable, I think the problem i could predict to happen here would be the synergy: potentially bust of red mana but all blue spells, casting spells for additional value but no guttersnipe in sight (just the wrong half of the deck), &/or recasting things but not gainning too much in return. since Kess cares about having things in grave, its also only once per turn. [[lier, downed]]
deft belfry
compare to lier where you can give everything that at all time without the once per turn restriction
so naturally, Kress either prefer to stay out on board longer, or want more value from a big effect rather than a one drop
the 4 mana, rakdos identity, and flying are ofc the upsides kess has over Lier
and reusing fierce guardianship on your turn etc
Will definitely want to play test and see if it fits how you want the deck runs
card quality overall looks good, i wouldnt run lightning bolt since it feels like a waste to target a single player and lot of important things either dont die to 3 damage or the 1for1 trade feels bad. i sacrifice the flexibility for [[boltwave]] mindless burn to the face
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deft belfry
oh one more thing, the wrong half of your deck... the deck overall has too much mana? consider how low the curve is...
with kess i can recast mana geyser, thats alot of mana and nowhere to go to
boardwipes that kills your pinger and commander also goes against the game plan of keeping those out as long as possible
deft belfry
hey monomon i just build a spellslinger deck for the first time and i was wonder...
i would add Bigger spells, perhaps X spells or those storm-like effect such as [[mizzix's mastery]]
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Sorcery
Exile target card that's an instant or sorcery from your graveyard. For each card exiled this way, copy it, and you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. Exile Mizzix's Mastery.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
deft belfry
one of the few that say "cast the copy" so it will trigger cast ability burns
[[$veyran, voice of dual]] in case it was missed, idr what i am looking at π΅
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deft belfry
pricey but that doubling power is not something that has a direct replacement in the game, at least not at 3 mana cost
yep its not i nthe deck
deft belfry
https://manabox.app/decks/AZxIYXTCcIGastqyN8zByg
My current zombie build. Tryin...
i cant work with mana box XD
card name and quality wise things are there
but i have no idea what category and ratio is within each one
proper belfry
Thats fair. I'll try and get it on mox later
deft belfry
do they at least have a way to
"copy to clip board"
then you can insert everything into arc/mox
i know arc can do drag and drop with edhrec
although i somewhat stopped using rec for over a year now
proper belfry
Yes they do
Its the three dots in the top right, click share and then you can click text and it'll give you the ability to copy the list
deft belfry
idk why but its not on my screen on the computer
the combination of the draw anthem for combat and combo route give me mixed signals on what the deck wants to do
almost twice as many black spells than white spells so mana production may want to balance accordingly
curve seems fine, see quite some good draw in there
synergy and consistency is hard to tell without grouping things on their own
tutor is my weakest since i dont use them often enough to immediate see what i need in that deck. i guess most of the time people for the GC or missing piece of the combo, or a immediate answer for the problematic board state
its too much for me to consider before the game starts and in the game i may as well just run a board wipe in that slot XD
certain types and the amount of removals/counterspells are subjective so anything is fine depends on the powerlevel you want to match
i do try to find more value and synergy in those places whenever possible
such as [[arcane denial]] > beats that double U pips [[!Counterspell]]
deft belfry
when i can run that double pips, i may as well, why not do Narset reversal instead
if i want tutor in deck, i can add that utility with [[muddle the mixture]]
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Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell.
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
with my bais, i am just a hater on counterspell
even in less than 3 colour identity, i may have medallion so i can reduce the cost of blue spells
proper belfry
So the deck wants to draw a lot of cards to wheel into a wincon for the deck and also buff the hell outta the zombies when possible. Im aiming for mid to high b3 games, im trying to balance things out a bit but the white is mostly for protection based spells
deft belfry
hmm, reactive sells from best to worst: blue+white > blue >= white > black i guess in general
there are always things like [[dovins veto]] or whatever extra ability on a spell
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deft belfry
i consider the "non creature spell" counter to be more defensive
while creature spell/destroy spot removal to be more offensive
proper belfry
Thats valid
Im very much a tribal player and zombies is beyond stupid hard imo of all the tribes to figure out so far
deft belfry
if you make a thread i can help you call for the zombie combo expert to help you; chances is that just making a thread will attract him like bee to honey
deft belfry
[[chandra' spitfire]][[chandra's pyreling]][[cavalcade of calamity]] bit late but recalled those old cards that has some interesting synergywith high scaling damage
deft belfry
3 opponents = triple trigger. if spitfire connects, thats like 9x times the number of wizard pinging effect at the cost of 3 mana flyer. pyreling would be no evasion at 2 mana, +3 power double strike so 6x instances of pings
i doubt you will be attacking with 0/1s, although cavalcade is a way to get extra damage through as well at the low cost of a 2 drop
overall can search sryfall for similar wording "whenever ... dealt noncombat" etc
storm fox
After playing this deck for way too much, i only just now found out that these 6 cards give me infinite landfall triggers
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deft belfry
[[redemption choir]] iirc is just sun titan
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deft belfry
yep so its the same loop
i wonder if i can recreate my first infinite loop, it takes like 8 cards
that i didnt catch in deck building
but now i am actually trying to find ways to make combo deck fun in causal
it shouldnt jsut be control midrange battlecruiser all day, need to add more things to the game of rock paper siccors.
deft belfry
After playing this deck for way too much, i only just now found out that these 6...
wait you dont need all 6
- Shepherd out on board
- Land drop to start the trigger with Plains; can sac it now with its own mana
- return Choir, target the same Plains
- Gix
again to sac Choir
5.Choir resolve return plain, rise and repeat
so even for that 1 mana in between, you can cut out Gift immortality
and i think theres enough mana for gix with 2 plains? not sure about that part
then dont need zaran orb as well
angel > land > gix > choir > land > gix
i think you need orb
since there are limited number of plains in grave
just gift is unecessary
not good at doing mono white loops in my head without physical/virtue cards
i can do most of the temur coloured related ones
or mono black
storm fox
not good at doing mono white loops in my head without physical/virtue cards
Yeah same, once i get back home, i'll try to see if it works
deft belfry
[[daybreak coronet]] have you ever see this card in ANY games
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deft belfry
as much as i like it, i never got one or seen it played
aura is so underrated, maybe for the right reason
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storm fox
[[ink duellist]]
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2/2
deft belfry
ohh lol i thought you had it cut
maybe it was another person's build
MH3 made an "upgraded" green one with totem armor or something kinda mnmeh
meh
wicked gust
just saw this card i wonder i have a deck for it [[you been caught stealing]]
[[Anzrag the quake]]
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Legendary Creature β Mole God
Whenever Anzrag becomes blocked, untap each creature you control. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
: Anzrag must be blocked each combat this turn if able.
His claws tear at the foundations of civilization.
8/4
storm fox
ohh lol i thought you had it cut
Nope, he's my only voltron deck, and i like to play him
Also strixhaven should give him even more synergy
Just tested this and it should be possible with this setup
Without the orb, i am either gonna need some external sources of mana, or i'm limited to the amount of plains in my graveyard
cold quartz
3 opponents = triple trigger. if spitfire connects, thats like 9x times the numb...
oh those are interesting! I havent been playing much mtg this past week as Ive been playing some new games - Last time I was testing the deck though I felt the biggest problem was the card draw, almost none of the draws I have give card advantage, most at best are neutral so if I used multiple spells in a turn and one didnt draw cards then i would watch my hand size dwindle lower and lower which felt like a big problem in all of my games, along with not having enough protection for my commander, im a bit shakey on whether i want to throw in generic cards like boots in to help with that or if there are more interesting protection alternatives in rakdos i dont know about, maybe stuff like malakir rebirth type effects
and probably can drop a couple lands for these things as well as some replacements ofc
cold quartz
oh i just realized you probably dont have the link -https://moxfield.com/decks/19EW8TLId0uDF2bEwYml2g
ended up making some swaps, dropping a couple lands and a couple cards for exclusivly more/better draw/impulse and protection so far
deft belfry
Just tested this and it should be possible with this setup
yeah so more like 4 cards + 2 untapped plains
deft belfry
[[Anzrag the quake]]
we are in the opposite direction XD i want the treasures and you just care about the blocks, which many other green cards has full board lure
it would add another copy
deft belfry
oh i just realized you probably dont have the link -https://moxfield.com/decks/1...
unless you changed it, i saw the link before i mentioned those cards
deft belfry
oh those are interesting! I havent been playing much mtg this past week as Ive b...
yeah card draw is always the biggest issue in rakdos π₯²
rn i am testing out [[sunbird inovation]] in my storm deck to see how that goes, bit of a hit or miss unless i get more ritual but then i need more card advantage to make up for the lost cards, just an endless cycle
deft belfry
oh those are interesting! I havent been playing much mtg this past week as Ive b...
i would go for instant speed protection that triggers all the wizardry and somehow counter the removal spell
rather than boots, i run rebirth a lot since i have multiple copied at its lowest price and its a land
but dying is not very common when all the removals usually exiles
the ashnod ... something one can return dying and exiling creature to the owner's hand
will check what i can change in the deck
but i would try not to cut lands
deft belfry
ah i was thinking [[ashnod's intervention]]
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deft belfry
but the best and worst part of a transform commander is that you will always end up with the front side if it leaves
indestructible is much worse than hexproof
was this the deck where one of the first card i mentioned was [[virtue of courage]] or was that someone else
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Enchantment
Whenever a source you control deals noncombat damage to an opponent, you may exile that many cards from the top of your library. You may play those cards this turn.
Embereth Blaze
Instant β Adventure
Embereth Blaze deals 2 damage to any target. (Then exile this card. You may cast the enchantment later from exile.)
deft belfry
i am not in favour of vadal blast when the deck itself struggle with card advantage
sabotage without gaining value
may as well go for the generic draw engine [[!Skullclamp]] simple but effective
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Add .
deft belfry
by itself its meh, with MDFC its a little better
and with red deck losing card advantage, it sort of becomes 2 lands worth of mana
obviously much worse in todays world with so much treasures
[[!takenuma abandoned mire]] can be reused etc
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deft belfry
ohh the advanture land that one is really nice to make another wizard
i think i hate having B act in here π it kills everything you have
if my commander is [[vial smasher]] i can see it happening
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deft belfry
[[vial smasherthe fierce]]
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rough yew
Could I get a recommendation on this beledros brew, need 3 cuts still https://moxfield.com/decks/DmR_v2tcd0iMwoVR3sYBDQ
deft belfry
the 3 cards above i think are kinda big in the deck here, otherwise it would be lot of small swaps
rough yew
Hm?
deft belfry
that was for the deck above