#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
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cold quartz
no my marchesa has toxrill
deft belfry
oh gross lol
cold quartz
dealer of death, not the other one
cold quartz
it was quite rude, that was when i came back in bummed out
totally ruined the table vibe so i might drop it
cold quartz
right i havent put together the recorded version of my vraska online
recorded version? like a video or on moxfield you mean
deft belfry
no, i just dont put my decks on the site so
when i take it apart i have to rebuild most of it
storm fox
i pulled a maralen fae ascendant today and and am thinking of building her, tho im not sure if i should go with elfball or faerie tribal
[[maralen fae ascendant]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
bit of both
it is basically control mill with elv faerie support
but you can add lot of variant, such as [[maskwood nexus]] a card that almost never work
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Artifact
Creatures you control are every creature type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, 
: Create a 2/2 blue Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It is every creature type.)
deft belfry
so that now your opponent's creatures and your mass tokens cards are also going to be tribal
basically i think the typal itself doesnt matter, not as much as the number scaling part as long as you can get cards to play with marlen
a 5 drop that needs to come in first before it "draw" more cards from 3 other decks with no real synergy
deft belfry
[[!springleaf parade]] is probly the most expensive card i picked up from the set just because its one of the best synergistic mana ramp i have seen
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deft belfry
ramp early = X is high, blockers = multiple turns worth of fog, if there are tokens then next turn there are even more mana, or refund itself on the same turn
[[scheming symmetric]] + flash speed / mass elves into big mana turn, there seems like lot of things to do with 2 tribal combine
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deft belfry
and i am guessing [[bitterblossom]] will trigger Maralen? since it doesnt specific creature permanent
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deft belfry
[[$bitterblossom]] no way for me tho
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storm fox
these past 2 hours, i have sifted through all the elves that can fit in maralen's colors on scryfall and also through my own card collection for fitting cards and came up with something (still needs like 40 cuts tho)
deft belfry
Ofc XD so much to cut
storm fox
yeah
deft belfry
well, probably dont need maskwood then
storm fox
it's my first tribal deck im building so i'm not sure what i even should cut
storm fox
well, probably dont need maskwood then
transforms stolen creatures into elves tho
deft belfry
if you are not up against creature decks
most of the time it is just your own creatures
and it is like a bad 3 card "combo"
storm fox
my own decks are probably the least creature heavy decks in our pod, so creatures should be fine
deft belfry
holy 3 drop elves so many
[[realmwalker]] i usually add in last when i either lack the creature type, need more card advantage/creature heavy
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deft belfry
otherwise, [[imperious perfect]] is going to do the same thing for you and most
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Creature — Elf Warrior
Other Elves you control get +1/+1.
, : Create a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token.
In a culture of beauty, the most beautiful are worshipped as gods.
2/2
deft belfry
more*
there are enough ramp that kodamna's reach cultivate can go [[circle of dreams druid]] if you got the green fixing, going to either give more mana
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add for each creature you control.
The realms protected by druids of the Circle of Dreams are gleaming, fruitful places, where dream and reality blur together and the weary can find rest.
2/1
deft belfry
or trigger commander to "draw" 2
storm fox
i also sent a coauthor request to ya
deft belfry
oh ok
i will put a bunch in the "maybe cut" tag
XD [[urborg elf]] having seen this card for so long
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add 
, , or 
.
The elves of Urborg are as deadly and capricious as the swamp itself.
1/1
storm fox
yeah, he happened to be in the right colors
storm fox
https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/114/realmwalker
i do think there is probably enough card draw in the deck, so i'll cut that one first
deft belfry
but with acrance signet in the game, i doubt anyone want to go that far for an extra creature
hmm so you need to give me edit permission or something
deft belfry
🙆
storm fox
done
i also blindly put in all the green land ramp spells i could think of, those are worth keeping right?
deft belfry
not necessary
storm fox
if i cut them that's 6 cards less
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storm fox
im not sure where mill comes from cuz maralen does theft but basically yeah
deft belfry
must be so easy to go infinite tokens etb
storm fox
if i cut them that's 6 cards less
i went ahead and cut these as impulsively as i added them cuz still at 132 cards
storm fox
must be so easy to go infinite tokens etb
haven't looked into that yet
would be a fun wincon to just exile their libraries
deft belfry
opening 7 + 5 turns = 12, -commander - partner = 86ish card in deck. 43 creatures entering = one person deck out, 129 creature = mill out
my win con at my last LGS with [[katara the fearless] was my opening hand [[hailmar excavator]] and drew into my only mass flicker effect [[!ghost way]]
deft belfry
so i managed to mill out the archenemy playing [[icetill exploreer]] decking him
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deft belfry
in thew following turn i milled out the other players then myself before i pass
everyone were half a turn away from winning
storm fox
that is 1 strong mill
deft belfry
tbf my deck was worse than the 2 precon at the table XD so i got lucky
storm fox
i just hit my opponents with a 21/21 AO
storm fox
tbf my deck was worse than the 2 precon at the table XD so i got lucky
still fun
storm fox
i just hit my opponents with a 21/21 AO
apparently combining staff of titania, blade of selves and both landfall buff all creatures, commander damage is a real threat
storm fox
not landfall
but 2 death triggers from ao
buff up entire board by 4 permanently
on every attack
deft belfry
[[ao, dawn]]
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deft belfry
oh that part
storm fox
yup
deft belfry
i guess if you want it to be even faster, it would be down to the anioted possession token doubles and stuff but i think those are too generic
storm fox
i guess if you want it to be even faster, it would be down to the anioted posses...
yeah, too generic, but also too many steps
it's useless without any form of token gen
deft belfry
inb4 white has the most token cretions
[[beast whisperer]] might be better than lifecrafter bestiary]] but it is harder to die
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deft belfry
i guess will keep both for now and see if there are too much draw
[[urza incubator]] rock so hard in tribal deck
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type cost 
less to cast.
"Our recruitment drives are bringing in fewer fresh troops every day. We need a new strategy." —Urza, to Tawnos
storm fox
might be (too much draw*), the whisperes is better than the artifact imo
deft belfry
and blue has all the tutors
deft belfry
might be (too much draw*), the whisperes is better than the artifact imo
it is better
[[altar of the brood]] is something i wanted to buy but never got one, getting to pricey
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deft belfry
and ofc every panharmonicon eff in the game will work with it as well as etb commander
vedalken orrery is just a worse leyline when you have access to blue
storm fox
seems there are a lot of effects i haven't even considered putting in
deft belfry
yeah... and oyu havent even looked much into the fairies yet
storm fox
vedalken orrery is just a worse leyline when you have access to blue
yes, but duplicates of the same effect so it isn't a 1 of
deft belfry
[[chronicle of victory]] works for go wide trample but 6 cost for the draw is like a worse version of the ... is it [[door of destiny]] or another name
storm fox
[[kindred discovery]]?
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deft belfry
its also an artifact
but yeah kindred discovery is just better when you have blue
was refering to [[vanquishers banner]]
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deft belfry
biggest difference is that discovery works with tokens, and some blue decks make HASTE tokens
also blue has lower cost maskwood such as [[arcane adaption]]
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deft belfry
and before that was a thing, [[conspiracy]] was the old school
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deft belfry
[[gathering stone]] is the upgrade to [[herald's horn]]
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost 
less to cast.
When this artifact enters and at the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. If it's a card of the chosen type, you may reveal it and put it into your hand. If you don't put the card into your hand, you may put it into your graveyard.
Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. If it's a creature card of the chosen type, you may reveal it and put it into your hand.
deft belfry
looks like i am here to give you a lesson of the tribal history of magic XD
deft belfry
well i got just a little over 5 minutes before heading to work
i think dragon and slivers are still some of the most popular tribal
deft belfry
when i see a [[morophon the boundless]] i hope to see something new and then get disappointed
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Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon enters, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost 
less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6
deft belfry
the best? panhar effect on a creature [[roaming throne]]
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As this creature enters, choose a creature type.
This creature is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4
deft belfry
i think this pushes decks into that B3 or higher category
and it gets worse with all the blue cloning effect
one of the most fun spell to make clones [[doppelgang]]
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storm fox
i did get a [[starfield vocalist]] promo from edge of eternities prerelease that is still unused
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Creature — Human Bard
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/4
deft belfry
oh yeah thats a broken one
storm fox
one of the most fun spell to make clones [[doppelgang]]
doublegang is up there for 1 of my favorite spells
storm fox
maralen?, cuz etb triggers
deft belfry
ooh, even with legendary rule
i mean every commander deck is a pet deck
unless your avg mana cost is like [[Ivy, glee]]
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deft belfry
something like 1.3 of sort , a 10+ mana spell is like a must have with simic identity
so for legend rule, just because they all die
doesnt mean they dont see each other
so each maralen sees herself and other maralen
X^2 mill
storm fox
- every other elf that's copied
deft belfry
lot of math
storm fox
fair
deft belfry
doppelgang X = 3, target 2 elves and maralen
9 elves enters
3 are maralen with original maralen
deft belfry
exponential
option and mathematic facts are not the same
maralen0riginal sees 9 things, Maralen 1,2,&3 sees 9 things each
storm fox
anyway, doppelgang is a kill spell
storm fox
[[!springleaf parade]] is probly the most expensive card i picked up from the se...
i decided to buy that bundle box and got a fancy dice together with a bunch of fancy cards, (most expensive would be a full art [[emptiness]])
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, put three -1/-1 counters on up to one target creature.
Evoke 
3/5
storm fox
i finished tagging the deck exept for 4 cards, i hope it is done in a way you can make sense of it, imma go to sleep now
deft belfry
🤦 misspelt thigh of all things guess you are not into that or is that a reverse psychology mind game🤔
are any of those [[!Trystan's Command]] good at all
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deft belfry
i guess it is two elves... nvm doesnt enter battle field, so the cast isnt an elf, only the token
the utility looks nice but i do hate 6 mana
although untap all looks tempting
the tribal [[vitalize]]
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deft belfry
hardly noticed [[tyvar kell]] can draw cards XD
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Legendary Planeswalker — Tyvar
Elves you control have ": Add ."
+1: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target Elf. Untap it. It gains deathtouch until end of turn.
0: Create a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token.
−6: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast an Elf spell, it gains haste until end of turn and you draw two cards."
Loyalty: 3
deft belfry
theres so much mana stuff i can find something to cut there
can probably take something away for [[!quest of renewal]] for the untap synergy, while low scaling cards maybe able to cut as well, i am thinking about the small value stuff if it doesnt add to the win con
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deft belfry
if it is about life gain, every elf deck can do [[well wisher]] + [[wirewood symbiote]]
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Creature — Elf
: You gain 1 life for each Elf on the battlefield.
"Close your ears to the voice of greed, and you can turn a gift for one into a gift for many."
1/1
deft belfry
oops i meant [[wirewood lodge]]
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Land
: Add 
.
, : Untap target Elf.
wicked gust
Ideas for a merfolk azorius commander to go along with the new ones from lorwyn? I'm not a fan of the flip sygg, but his og one is also kinda lame. I surprisingly loved them during pre release due to how many I pulled
deft belfry
crossroad is always scary since it can be double edge sword
deft belfry
Ideas for a merfolk azorius commander to go along with the new ones from lorwyn?...
so you are doing UW merfolk?
wicked gust
Maybe, just ideas. Nothing on paper, I been theorycrafting and hoping the mew boros strixhaven precon be a good way to do phoenix tribal and hoping for phoenix support lol
And also been getting ideas for the orzhov one as a fun way to do goad
deft belfry
orzhov goad, azorius merfolk and boros pheonix?
idk if black white has enough "goading" effect i can see some white cards do the political
incentive of wanting the table to attack someone else
"attack a player other than you" etc
[[bloodthirst blade]] technically works in every deck but because it depends on other's deck, it is a bit hard to use well
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and is goaded. (It attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
: Attach this Equipment to target creature an opponent controls. Activate only as a sorcery.
The weapon wields the hand that holds it.
deft belfry
and it is a do nothing for the first 2 mana
proper belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/CQTkinvwGUGOA9c_ASiO9Q
any suggestions for this deck? its tribal human with voltron sub theme
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/CQTkinvwGUGOA9c_ASiO9Q
any suggestions for this deck...
yes [[slippery bogbonder]] proliferate
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deft belfry
white has many ways to put counters on all your creatures and if all that counter is on kyler then the anthem is massive
proliferating counters other than just +1 also increase the anthem by 2
2 card infinite power and creatures
[[gift of the viper]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has ": Create a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token."
"Here lies Gond, hero of Safehold Taldwen. May he ever guide our quest."
deft belfry
[[glaring spotlight]]
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Artifact
Creatures your opponents control with hexproof can be the targets of spells and abilities you control as though they didn't have hexproof.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Creatures you control gain hexproof until end of turn and can't be blocked this turn.
deft belfry
alpha strike game ender or make target removal easier
i see no reason to play that 1 mana fog when you are the aggro deck
same for holy day
i would rather just run more ways to get humans out
or draw
more lands too if possible
[[karn's bastion]]
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Land
: Add .
, : Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"I can't protect everyone here. But those I can, I will." —Karn
deft belfry
utility lands, etc, i include [[!war room]] in basically all my 2 colour decks
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deft belfry
there is a newer land(s) that gives creature unblocker, either menace (from spiderman) or two creature share same type
idk if your [[midnight guard]] infinite is worth it
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deft belfry
not human but a cool card [[arwen mortal queen]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Arwen enters with an indestructible counter on it.
, Remove an indestructible counter from Arwen: Another target creature gains indestructible until end of turn. Put a +1/+1 counter and a lifelink counter on that creature and a +1/+1 counter and a lifelink counter on Arwen.
2/2
deft belfry
[[tyrite sanctum]] spam that ability for counters
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Land
: Add .
, : Target legendary creature becomes a God in addition to its other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.
, , Sacrifice this land: Put an indestructible counter on target God.
deft belfry
for ramp [[season of harvest]] [[trasverse the outlands]] etc
deft belfry
[[celebrate the harvest]]
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deft belfry
[[open the way]]
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deft belfry
i dislike using one card for only 1 mana worth when i can get much more out of it
if T2 ramp isnt that important because i dont need that T3 4 mana play
i would just go for those big ramp pieces that scale better than [[worn power stone]] and [[temple of the false god]] as the baseline
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add .
Even a fragment of a powerstone contains within it not just energy, but space—vast dimensions trapped in fragile crystal.
Land
: Add . Activate only if you control five or more lands.
Those who bring nothing to the temple take nothing away.
deft belfry
each land i get out of my library is essentially drawing a card
and in green there are always landfall synergy if needed [[evolution sage]]
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deft belfry
[[felidart retreat]] etc
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deft belfry
nothing wrong with that arcane signet and talisman, but having them over the 3+ mana value ramp is losing so much utility
cultivate is ... okay just because it guarantee the 5 mana on the following turn after T3
but getting only 2 lands worth of mana? can do better
[[chronicle of victory]] is awkward for the curve
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proper belfry
is [[presence of gond]] for a combo?
Yes it is.
deft belfry
green can get trample at half the cost [[gurruk uprising]]
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deft belfry
[[gurrk uprising]]
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deft belfry
[[garruk's uprising]]
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deft belfry
so the +2 first strike isnt really worth the extra mana
deft belfry
Yes it is.
saw midnight guard afterward
i dislike the wipes that hurt yourself so much [[vanquish the horde]] i think you can find things that doesnt remove your side
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Sorcery
This spell costs less to cast for each creature on the battlefield.
Destroy all creatures.
"Remind Zurgo that the Abzan will not tolerate his marauders. If the Mardu wish to trespass, then I encourage him to face my blade himself." —Felothar, khan of the Abzan
proper belfry
I have the infinite creature combo for a way of either kill me or force a wipe or I'll win and as a way to buff kyler more
Are there any good board wipes in selensya that dont hurt you? I know of like 2
deft belfry
i think that infinite is not as consistent than just having overall synergy
see cards i mentioned above
one of my favourite is [[split up]]
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deft belfry
[[dont move]] is kinda funny
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deft belfry
unless i have to, i try to not go over 4-5 mana
which 2 were you thinking about
is the one in your deck one of them [[everything come to dust]]
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Sorcery
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Exile all creatures except those that share a creature type with a creature that convoked this spell, all artifacts, and all enchantments.
"I can see every single atom of your existence, and I divide them."
proper belfry
is the one in your deck one of them [[everything come to dust]]
Yes
I can't think of the other one off the top of my head right now
deft belfry
[[ezuri's predation]] is one of the best green wipe, although its not as fitting in here, i think most white wipe is enough
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
scryfall the one you like
with wordings that matters to you
my personal favourite are like [[by invitation]]
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deft belfry
[[slaughter of the meek]]
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deft belfry
[[slaughter the strong]]
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deft belfry
so i can basically get rid of anything even pass heroic and stuff
proper belfry
Valid
deft belfry
there should be many fitting white board wipes that matters for you
proper belfry
Right now this deck is in the testing/rough draft phase still
proper belfry
I do see where it needs work and your points.
Ive never seen another kyler deck and it seems pretty strong overall
deft belfry
i dont really like [[gift of viper]] since its like major powercreep/staple from the premium MH3 set
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deft belfry
but i have to acknowledge that 1 mana +3 on your entire board anthem synergy
so its a good thing that i dont find kyler as interesting to me so i will probably never get those cards XD
aura shard is one of those cards i dont want to buy or play with as well
so oppressive
proper belfry
Im unsure if I should keep it in the deck, its a solid removal piece since I dont run much removal for enchantment or artifact. Def need to be able to control the board a bit
I love tribal decks so when I find a commander I like for tribal I'll build it
deft belfry
overall, 5 mana [[overwhelming stampede]] is your kill spell win con, so thats another reason why i would be extra careful on what high cost spell i use in the deck
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proper belfry
That is fair. I have triumph for that reason
deft belfry
yeah triumph is very effcient "end the game" button
some may think its too fast
so for "bracket power level" with randos
may want to check with that
i think i only know like 2 assholes that would be super salty about that card out of few hundreds
but with randos you never know
proper belfry
True. I know that in the 2nd game testing the deck i was able to win turn 5 due to only 1 thing of interaction
deft belfry
yeah, it sort of have that "X spell win the game" effect in commander where you can do nothing for 5 turns and just ramp
antidramatic
B3/B4 is probably fair game depends on the people you play with
proper belfry
Its meant to be a mid to high b3, not anywhere near b4
deft belfry
some people dont like infinite in B3 if it can be early game
proper belfry
Eh as long as its not game ending its all fair
deft belfry
bracket cares about intent, expectations and reality sometimes dont match
proper belfry
True
deft belfry
i think i just find B3 to be in that awkward place XD and i like my janks too much in general
as long as no one is trying to exploit that bracket loop hole and is honest about the deck in the pre game/rule 0 conversation i think it is a easy social issue to solve
proper belfry
I love jank builds. Ive got a treasure party deck thats a bit jank but holy hell it hurts people bad and gets as much salt as my simic deck
deft belfry
anyways i am going afk for a bit, can chat if i am back before bed
proper belfry
Ive thought about putting miraris wake into the deck but am unsure
[[Miraris wake]]
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deft belfry
seems okay, not as good as the ramp i mentioned imo
proper belfry
Figure itd be helpful for doubling mana up to get more drops out
deft belfry
well, those kinda depends on having enough basics in the 99 too
this one works with nonbasic
remember, land ramp also passively draws a card, where mana doubler doesnt
🏃➡️ afk
wicked gust
idk if black white has enough "goading" effect i can see some white cards do the...
The commander itself goads...
And for the boros phoenix tribal...
These are the face commanders of the secrets of strixhaven precons, 2 of the 5
storm fox
🤦 misspelt thigh of all things ~~guess you are not into that~~ or is that a rev...
i'll just be incompetent
storm fox
are any of those [[!Trystan's Command]] good at all
tbh don't know, but it does seem expensive
storm fox
can probably take something away for [[!quest of renewal]] for the untap synergy...
i think lathrill is worth keeping, glissa, im not sure about, and tyvar is prbably worth cutting
storm fox
https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/110/quest-for-renewal
i like that card, never knew it exsisted/excisted ??? don't know how to spell anymore...
versed wind
any idea what should i add/remove
im thinking reanimation package with discarding artifact creatures to draw more with kefka and using [[scrap mastery]] as a 2nd copy of living death to get everything back
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versed wind
the deck should be able to function without kefka anyway so i didnt pack that muc protection
storm fox
i think lathrill is worth keeping, glissa, im not sure about, and tyvar is prba...
ended up cutting glissa unfortunatly
brave dragon
Monomon friend you doing good? Happy new year ☝️
Need your help with scarab god zombie tribal again
deft belfry
Monomon friend you doing good? Happy new year ☝️
happpy new year too, what new year is this for you. since its kinda past Jan 1
deft belfry
i think lathrill is worth keeping, glissa, im not sure about, and tyvar is prba...
i just kinda put all those golgari ones together in the pic i dont mean all of them should be cut, it was just a place to look at because they all have their utility
the deck can easily afford some higher cost elves over a mana dork but elves etb doesnt care about what the elf does
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The commander itself goads...
yeah i didnt keep up with spoiled to think about 6 months into a future. i am too edgier to look forward to that. its kinda a enchantress/aura deck so even without a major focus on goading, it enough to do lot of things, think of roles/ constellation
the elephant kept the neat "leave grave" mechanic but otherside of existing stuff it will probably all be new cards supports. it has solid draws and spirit tokens aggro tho
wicked gust
I'm hoping they introduce a new phoenix card that makes ir easier to leave the bin or even better a new boros phoenix commander, aka the sub commander of the deck
Again hoping
But phoenix make sense for him
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i like that card, never knew it exsisted/excisted ??? don't know how to spell an...
its one of those that so good in all the decks it runs; worst case scenario its pseudo vigilance in green the colour with all the big creature
in sultai there is cards like [[titan's nest]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
Exile a card from your graveyard: Add . Spend this mana only to cast a spell that's one or more colors without 
in its mana cost.
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so as long as the wording (scryfall otag or otext search) include something along those lines or random engine
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Yes my mardu terra phoenix deck is nice but it isnt as affective. If I put it to 2 colors it may run better plus get more value when one leaves than in mardu terra
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boros can probably do something similar
i guess, that dragon of takir commander with black can make use of [[dread return]] tho
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so boros will have some limitation around reanimating at a low cost
teval arbitor something
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i guess, that dragon of takir commander with black can make use of [[dread retur...
Ain't in red sadly, or you mean bloodwing the returned
The zombie dragon
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idr it being a zombie but it makes zombie druids
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happpy new year too, what new year is this for you. since its kinda past Jan 1
Haha yeah it's february already but I haven't visited here this year.
It can be a little slow at the beginning but gets going pretty well
deft belfry
Haha yeah it's february already but I haven't visited here this year.
i gotch ya
and ofc scarab god one of those slow decks 🤣
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https://archidekt.com/decks/17534712/kefka
thats a lot of mana acceleration for a reanimator deck (chaet cost) not too sure if thats a fast enough/consistent strategy at its power level
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idk sometimes i cant reanimate stuff after people destroy them i think i should have a backup of try to ramp into big creatures
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and ofc scarab god one of those *slow* decks 🤣
I treat him more as a distraction from other key pieces 😅
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yeah.. trying to get out 7+ drop can be awkward here
will take lot of time to look at all the pieces individually to get back on that one. mainly lot of goldfishing to see how smooth your side runs in a vacuum before seeing how much interactions for the rest of the table. my assumption in B4 is just lot of disruptions etc i would rate removals like cyclonic rift and vadalblast higher in those environment
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and ofc scarab god one of those *slow* decks 🤣
Love him, had a slapped together zombie deck of him with the Midnight hunt precon as the base
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i play couple of reanimate deck, unless it like scrab god or mirko that can keep reanimating targets, the arch enemy of a single disrupt and stop reanimate deck pretty quick if they are setup to try to reanimate only
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can summon Pastlebox since he probably memorized all the zombie combos better than i do
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My only real reanimate deck atm is my mardu terra deck with a few phoenixs cause I love phoenix tribal and killing people with a small army of phoenixs lol
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i just look at it as a general zombie/control/reanimator deck
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i play couple of reanimate deck, unless it like scrab god or mirko that can keep...
yeah, i think the hardest part is getting that first few things out. and i havent tested a lot of tutoring style decks so i am going off numbers i know
and my visual template is somewhat like 7 of this type doing one thing, 15 of this type doing another
each tutor is like a second copy of either a niche one of or an engine piece that cuts my deck size by 1 card
and when all the numbers are not based on 1/99 it gets a lot messier
deck size is like 80 cards to start with
i would reference some tool boxes decks online in that case
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I treat him more as a distraction from other key pieces 😅
played [[!harmonized crescendo]] once and its an amazing card, love it already
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are there anymore good zombies or this is basically all of them
i wish [[stir the sand]] is an instant, could have been so nice in token generation. anyways [[gempalm pulluter]] is that any good...
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Sorcery
Create three 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Creature — Zombie
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, you may have target player lose life equal to the number of Zombies on the battlefield.
4/3
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Creature — Zombie Bird Wizard
Flying
Each creature card in your hand has cycling . (, Discard that card: Draw a card.)
"Kefnet may be gone, but the thirst for wisdom never dies."
2/1
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[[lazotep plating]] isnt one i have gotten much value out of in general
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it feels like the worst kind of blue counterspell protection interaction there is just to get an amy
esp consider scarab gods biggest weakest is wipes that remove everything
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i use [[unified will]] in a zombie deck for a counterspell quite like it
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if i want a "for sure" way to counter a spot removal i would do [[slip out the back]]
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or my personal way as a hater of white, [[corrupted conviction]]
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is that a zombie .. the one from EoE the surveil visca seer
nope but probably worth? [[umbral collar zealot]]
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i guess it cannot sac itself
probably better with combo
the mill/card selection is nice tho
i can also see a slighly higher land count than 36 for a control deck that really want to hit every land drop
and i dont mind having 2 lands in hand if one of those is a tapped land, so i have a choice on my tempo
fuck XD i hate scry lands, its probably fine.
i would do [[ash barren]] some of those "cut a card out of my deck" stuff in those colours unless i need all of the 99
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Land
: Add .
Basic landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
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or instead of extra mana fixing, more colourless sources to greed the utility
[[hidden grotto]] many similar version on a budget [[gallifrey council chamber]]
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Land
When this land enters, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
Legendary Land
When Gallifrey Council Chamber enters, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
: Add .
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a Time Lord or Alien spell or activate an ability of a Time Lord or Alien.
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[[conduit pylons]]
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Land — Desert
When this land enters, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
The newly constructed relays harness the desert sun, bringing power to settlers across the plane.
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https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle%3Asurveil+type%3Aland+(game%3Apaper)+id<%3DUB&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name no way for me on sinister hideout, some people would do it
dig site i wouldnt do in B3 level for my standard
brave dragon
played [[!harmonized crescendo]] once and its an amazing card, love it already
I know right? Amazing they made it an instant
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[[search for azcanta]] looks pretty good
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Legendary Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. Then if you have seven or more cards in your graveyard, you may transform Search for Azcanta. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
The Sunken Ruin houses all the learning of a long-forgotten age.
Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Search for Azcanta.)
: Add .
, : Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
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I know right? Amazing they made it an instant
yeah i did it with 6 allys in katara, the draw was mostly irrelvant because i got the winning piece in my hand but saving all that mana was so nice
i milled about 180 cards that game and since i ran out of libraries to mill, i did myself before i pass
actually i didnt count the turn before so it was definitely over 200
rn looking at scarab god, i think you really want some powerful etb to reanimate
brave dragon
Yeah the one with a great etb is Gary
brave dragon
What do you mean?
deft belfry
noxtous ghoul beside out of frame
biggest focus on scarab is this right
getting something back should be scary for the table
unless you only want the scry and life lose but thats wasting the strongest part of the card
and upkeep trigger is slow
i would really like leyline of anticipantion or fae in here to fix that
[[high fae trickster]]
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whenever i want to play my control style or an amazing body to get back with scarab
or have open mana to play scarb god at the best moment
and i would be willing to run tutors [[$faerie harbinger]] for it
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https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aland+t%3Aadventure two amazing lands you can consider
wow [[jidoor aristocratic captial]] is so much cheaper than i expected
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Land — Town
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"You're the spitting image of Maria!" —Jidoor resident
Overture
Sorcery — Adventure
Target opponent mills half their library, rounded down. (Then exile this card. You may play the land later from exile.)
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just b.c mill half cannot kill, it is a really strong way of denying most decks from getting to the answer they need
and in a control graveyard reanimator deck, i think its a good fit. worst case a tapped land
i will probably never see this in any serious scarab build but its kinda fun [[eligeth crossroads]]
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Yeah it actually looks great
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i will probably never see this in any serious scarab build but its kinda fun [[e...
True but feels slow and expensive to just slam and hope to draw a few cards
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i think locus god is the most interesting one out of all the gods but also so busted in 99 cards card draw format
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True but feels slow and expensive to just slam and hope to draw a few cards
yeah its not good
oooh did i not see [[training ground]] in your deck
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Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.
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or did i missed it
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I also tried to fit in [[Sphinx of the second sun]] but not really reliable
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yeah too slow
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oooh did i not see [[training ground]] in your deck
It's there ☝️
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yeah, and its thematic scene
using it with waterbending
this one is just perference [[ornithopter of paradise]]
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Artifact Creature — Thopter
Flying
: Add one mana of any color.
"Through even our darkest days, we must never cease creating. Each new invention brings value to the world, be it beauty, utility, or both." —Rashmi, aether-seer
0/2
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i like higher creature count, i died to flyers for all my early years of commander games
commander lowkey cares about creatures
i run it more than i run arcane signet
its the cool cousin imo
brave dragon
But the summoning sickness sometimes sucks
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if i dont plan on using that 1 open mana for something right away
it not as big of a difference for me
but mainly because i dont run too many 1 drops
you got 2 instants
maybe that one game that 4/4 zombie flyer can be lethal XD. thats up to you
hmmm do [[shambling ghast]] matter
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Creature — Zombie
When this creature dies, choose one —
• Target creature an opponent controls gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
• Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
1/1
brave dragon
Yess I like it so much actually
brave dragon
It needs something more on the board to work like roaming throne or sac to warren soultrader
But I managed to -1/-1 the whole board
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8 ways to sac a creature
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Versus my frirnds' sliver
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alright pet card
😒 that 1 drop scaling is no match for noxious ghoul
i would have been going for the treasure 90% of the time
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yeah, in that case i dont notice too much, but i would try to add those lands and high fae to fit the control theme more
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[[sliver hivelord]]
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I just can't stand it lol
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core of the deck dont have issue
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yeah, in that case i dont notice too much, but i would try to add those lands an...
Sure, thank you for all these
Guess the lazotep plating is kinda sus
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yeah the 1 army is meh
brave dragon
But I like the concept of being hexproof for the whole turn
deft belfry
it can easily Slip out
brave dragon
Not just counterspell once
deft belfry
fine another pet card
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Commander - The format with 75 pet cards, and 25 lands
brave dragon
Especially for a higher land count
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Commander - The format with 75 pet cards, and 25 lands
And sometimes it doesn't even feel like singleton anymore
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[[lorien revealed]] best card i opened from LotR
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Sorcery
Draw three cards.
Islandcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for an Island card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
"Look on us now with friendly eyes! Behold the trees of the Naith of Lórien and be glad!" —Haldir
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And sometimes it doesn't even feel like singleton anymore
correct it isnt
singleton is a choice
in fact commander zone, elk and other youtbuers addressed that like last week
raechel's team crunched out all the numbers
just got to find what is most fun for you
i am someone who wants to rule 0 [[Yorion, sky nomad]] just to play more cards
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Legendary Creature — Bird Serpent
Companion — Your starting deck contains at least twenty cards more than the minimum deck size. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Flying
When Yorion enters, exile any number of other nonland permanents you own and control. Return those cards to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.
4/5
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command zone also did an eps on 200 cards deck with no actual tutors
aka Dana lowkey cheated with "no tutor" jk jk
[[solider of fortune]] would have been my win con/troll card
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Creature — Human Mercenary
, : Target player shuffles their library.
"Loyalty to coin alone is loyalty nonetheless." —General Varchild
1/1
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played [[!harmonized crescendo]] once and its an amazing card, love it already
My lgs gave all of us a extended art foil, cuz why not, and it really is an amazing card
I got maralen down to 101 cards now, but i feel like its lacking a lot of things, card draw mostly
And maybe recursion
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I want ideas for a build I really love the idea of [[Roxanne Starfall Savant]] but don't wanna do the typical direction of her based on edhrec Suggestions ,other than maybe splash some equipment on her, but I do too much equipment lol. Suggestions?
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Legendary Creature — Cat Druid
Whenever Roxanne enters or attacks, create a tapped colorless artifact token named Meteorite with "When this token enters, it deals 2 damage to any target" and ": Add one mana of any color."
Whenever you tap an artifact token for mana, add one mana of any type that artifact token produced.
4/3
storm fox
i really don't know anything about roxanne or how she's build normally, but i would say to build her blink (cuz color pie breaks are fun), make it rain rocks quite literally
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Only...2? Yea 2 in gruul [[conjur closet]] and [[sword Hearth home]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile up to one target creature you own, then search your library for a basic land card. Put both cards onto the battlefield under your control, then shuffle.
Equip
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Sadly lol
wicked gust
I mean there's a few clone affects but...that ain't blink lol
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My lgs gave all of us a extended art foil, cuz why not, and it really is an amaz...
🤯
thats some nice LGS promo, my was just Gran gran
i guess standard or other format would have better promos?
not standard, probably seal or something
deft belfry
And maybe recursion
yea you had like all green cards lol
deft belfry
I want ideas for a build I really love the idea of [[Roxanne Starfall Savant]] b...
token/artifact matter maybe
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Only...2? Yea 2 in gruul [[conjur closet]] and [[sword Hearth home]]
[[voyager's staff]]
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile target creature. Return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
Voyager staffs are sought by those hoping to find an escape from the sprawling glut of Ravnica.
deft belfry
i can get more especially janky ones from scryfall
but lot of it is mana rock now taps for lot of mana
wicked gust
added a few....and i did an idea of animating the meteorites
deft belfry
too bad the rock throwing goblin is landfall
wicked gust
ye
deft belfry
even if you play all the artifact land similar to shadow hedgehog build
i think treasure is just always going to be the explosive route
may want a theme
if you want super jank, you can create non-gruul colours
[[crystalline crawler]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Converge — This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Add one mana of any color.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
1/1
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[[radiant flames]] sadly would kill roxanne
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unless flickered til end step
but naturally, roxanne is hard to swing with due to low toughness and no evasion
so i think being able to attack a bit is important
and for a burn deck, one of my favourite red draw jank piece [[expedited inheritance]]
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or if you just want tons of damage being throw around [[reprecusion]]
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[[repercussion]]
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i dont think amulet of vigor is the most important thing but as a 1 drop artifact it rarely hurts to have in most decks
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overall, the way i simplify roxanne is that she does two things
artifact token aka mana rocks and treasures, add addtional mana just like [[!goldspan dragon]]. then the constant bombardment of meteorite are just many instances of repeatable [[shocks]]
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while you can go in basically any direction with the mana base and core focus around inefficient burn, i think you need to find what interest you in gruul that you want to play the most
the two things that i found most interesting are extreme cost reductions [[rakdos lord of riot]] (and alike) chaos stax storm [[possibility storm]] which is allowing me to cheat spells and cast many things, and then there are making endless clones of something to have tons of triggers whenever something happens onto of ruling nightmare interactions maybe mutates
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Legendary Creature — Demon
You can't cast Rakdos unless an opponent lost life this turn.
Flying, trample
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
6/6
deft belfry
to make room for roxanna, i believe you actually want to cut some of those mana rocks that doesnt help with roxanne's ability, as well as "too much ramp" when [[meteorite]] is in your command zone
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, it deals 2 damage to any target.
: Add one mana of any color.
"Material at dig site 165-beta confirmed to be of Null Moon origin. Immediate excavation assistance requested." —Tolarian field dispatch
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the "synergy" with artifact ramp is actually [[replication ring]]
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Snow Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a night counter on this artifact. Then if it has eight or more night counters on it, remove all of them and create eight colorless snow artifact tokens named Replicated Ring with ": Add one mana of any color."
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which is really not a good mana rock that most people ever use or seen
[[sky conclave]]
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[[skyclave relic]]
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Artifact
Kicker
Indestructible
When this artifact enters, if it was kicked, create two tapped tokens that are copies of this artifact.
: Add one mana of any color.
Skyclaves held the key to reshaping the world.
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can make tokens and do pretty well as an upgraded [[darksteel ingot]]
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Artifact
Indestructible (Effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this artifact.)
: Add one mana of any color.
"It reflects the purity of Mirrodin-that-was." —Koth of the Hammer
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with 5 drop commander, 3 mana ramp also is the ideal curve
basically 4 lands + 3drop utility rock
should be in your first 10 ish cards on an avg game
the rest of the deck can say "fuck-all" and do whatever you want
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I also think my table is about to find out that [[displacer kitten]] is a really good elf
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good kit... elvy
storm fox
Something like that
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As the non creature player that i am, im only playing 32 noncreatures in elfball
And i can steal from the top of opponents, blinking maralen steals the top 2 again and resets the once per turn as well
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the deck should be able to function without kefka anyway so i didnt pack that mu...
i think the deck has the exact problem i feared, its consistent with doing its thing but idk if its fitting for B4 optimization with the current way it plays out
i feel like i am flooded with mana to get a small "battle cruiser-ish" payoff. if there are more utility or better payoff
and one of the problem iwth using all those "best cards" in the game makes it really hard to make cuts since it would basically "weaken" it in that category; minor nonbo is like having toxic deluge with [[platinum emperion]] out
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which doesnt protect you from alternative win con
[[duplicant]] seems meh as creature removal especially since it doesnt take over the ability
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i feel like artifact is not worth the synergy with reanimation compare to a simple [[agent of treachery]] theif effect
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[[anticausal vestige]]
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Creature — Eldrazi
When this creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card, then you may put a permanent card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
7/5
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As the non creature player that i am, im only playing 32 noncreatures in elfball
Or is that amount too little?
What do you think of eclipsed elf?
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[[staff of eden vault's key]] maybe a fun piece but B4 it may not be doing its thing
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Legendary Artifact
When Staff of Eden enters, put target legendary permanent card not named Staff of Eden, Vault's Key from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
: Draw a card for each permanent you control but don't own.
deft belfry
thats something i would like to try in the deck tho
so i would be looking to shift the decks overall direction
[[!eclispe elf]]
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[[!eclipsed elf]]
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its better than basic elves for sure
its etb card selection cantrip
seems worth for the replacement but not like an interesting pet card
its the supplement that taste bad in your life
storm fox
The deck currently sits at 101 cards with the elf (kitten) so i would need 1 more cut
versed wind
and one of the problem iwth using all those "best cards" in the game makes it re...
I didnt thought of that but it likely i dont need to toxic deluge while having platinum emperior out
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The deck currently sits at 101 cards with the elf (~~kitten~~) so i would need 1...
Tho im not sure what to cut
versed wind
I was thinking if I breach reanimate i could mass reanimation without losing life
deft belfry
ah that make sense
i am too used to taking damage i totally ignored the draw back XD
versed wind
The artifact payoff isn't very strong but I will to make it work. There a few things that make it more interesting than normal animation by goblins
I do think the land count is pretty low enough to not get flooded ?
Not sure how I change that
I could change duplicant but I found the exile clause better than most removal
deft belfry
Tho im not sure what to cut
did you try to cut glissa or sylan offering; X spell when you got all the cards to cast is kinda a win more yet doesnt actually give better value
versed wind
There some other destroy creature artifact creatures in wh40k and drwho but i dont really want to add those
deft belfry
I do think the land count is pretty low enough to not get flooded ?
i think it was just all the mana ramp
hmm it only see 12 sources of ramp, maybe i should goldfish again
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Huh I thought if I load up on the ramp pieces i could sacrifice them later on goblin welder effects
deft belfry
although i missed a few here and there
i guess its too deep in the rabbit hole to dig yourself out XD can add another tutor [[uzra's cave]] maybe
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[[urza's ~fucking cave]]
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thought on haste enabler?
also i have no experience with [[demonic consulation]] its too much brain power to use unless i have the entire deck list in mind
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it feels like a self mill out combo piece or emergercy counterspell play
i somewhat have the % in my head with my chance of getting to certain cards or random jank, i wish it is a card i get to test out [[$demonic consultation]]
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[[throne of grim captain]]
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Legendary Artifact
: Mill two cards.
Craft with a Dinosaur, a Merfolk, a Pirate, and a Vampire (, Exile this artifact, Exile the four from among permanents you control and/or cards in your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)
The Grim Captain
Legendary Creature — Skeleton Spirit Pirate
Menace, trample, lifelink, hexproof
Whenever The Grim Captain attacks, each opponent sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice. Then you may put an exiled creature card used to craft The Grim Captain onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.
7/7
deft belfry
second copy of the milling perpetual timepiece
probably not needed with all the tutor?
storm fox
did you try to cut glissa or sylan offering; X spell when you got all the cards ...
I tried cutting glissa, but added her back in cuz the deck lacked card draw
For the offering, every time i drew it in play testing i cast it cuz its a good mana dump/finisher even early game it gets my elf count up for maralen
deft belfry
is maralen not enough draw
in that case i guess you will have to cut a non elf thingy
storm fox
is maralen not enough draw
I see her more like an extra, not really draw
Cuz stuff from her is free cast
deft belfry
idk how many times i looked at the counterspell with double pips in your 3 colour deck
but theres no way you would cut that without putting something back in place
vedalen orrery can go
or a 3 drop utility/removal spell
😭 why so many scrylands
[[unforgiving aim]][[negate]][[counterspell]][[elivish promenade]] i can see one getting cut
deft belfry
or if you dont need all that mana [[wirewood channeler]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of Elves on the battlefield.
"Your words are meaningless. The rustling of leaves is the only language that makes any sense."
2/2
deft belfry
while getting more flash speed iss nice to abuse maralen once per turn, flickering maralen will no longer sees previous maralen's exile
and most of the time you get our your creatures on your turn to dig for more cards
X spell is kinda the only way to ever mill someone out, so its really just for the once per turn value play
can cut a 1 drop mana dork too if you prefer the higher cost utility, since the deck curve is pretty low even with the X spells
storm fox
😭 why so many scrylands
Had to put in something, will get changed still
Think i'll probably cut the unforgiving aim
deft belfry
yeah that was my most expected cut out of the bunch
over 30 elves i am fine cutting anything
versed wind
it feels like a self mill out combo piece or emergercy counterspell play
I just like the art but usually i looking for a giant reanimation spell like living death or scrap mastery
The roi is pretty bad still when it can hit the top 6 and you die still
deft belfry
i would love to do that gambling theme especially with hivemind chaos XD
versed wind
The new secret lair is about 10$?
deft belfry
when every interaction spell i do is like a big pile of messy interaction stack [[narset reversal]]
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versed wind
deft belfry
doubt i will get any
versed wind
It has a great art, looking for a foil one too
deft belfry
the collectable part of the game isnt for me
versed wind
I mean if you play the cards you collect is it still a collectable
deft belfry
i get the singles and lot of bulk
still trying to get rid of things since its easy to end up with all the extra cards
part of my philosophy in this casual-social format, i want to be comfortable giving out extra copies of the cards in my own deck to other players. so i really dont need much special/ premium version of anything
deft belfry
[[trickery charm]] is one of those old jank i wanted a copy of, maybe it will work well with consultation 🤔
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deft belfry
but no way anyone in the right mind would try this stuff in commander
so i would do it
sweet ember
Hi, I've been seeing this thread for a while, is it really as simple as dropping my deck and discussing it?
storm fox
over 30 elves i am fine cutting anything
Would 30 elves be like a minimum amount?
I would've thought that it would be like 40 or something
deft belfry
[[mischievous sneakling]] changelings has gotten so good this days XD
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deft belfry
Would 30 elves be like a minimum amount?
but somewhat like that, tribal/typal of something is basically 30 ish, i like 33 since that exactly 1/3 of the 99, but more doesnt hurt if the deck can afford it
it really depends on how you feel about its consistency, and how the payoff convert to the win-con etc. like [[guttersnipe]], if you get that out than play 20 spells in the spellslinger deck, thats just enough to burn all opponents
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deft belfry
with how much cantrip/free spells and more sorcery instants than existenting guttersnipes, it makes more sense to have more of those spells than permanents to balance out that card type rather than a 50/50 between non creatures and permanents (instead of 1/3 spells, 1/3 guttersnipe, 1/3 mana, its more like 2/5 spells, 1/5 guttersnipe, 2/5 or less lands and ramp, etc)
deft belfry
Hi, I've been seeing this thread for a while, is it really as simple as dropping...
yes you get to watch me ramble about you deck like[[rakdos the showstopper]]
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deft belfry
show me what you got but i do prefer if you have tags and tell me what you want in the final product. I am helping with card choices in the deck and not building the deck for you
sweet ember
Ok, just to make sure the Moxfield global tag works for everyone, not just me right
sweet ember
Here’s my deck list
It’s a control/spellslinger deck trying to protect itself with chump blockers that also happen to be used to draw cards with Coastal Piracy type effects, become extra Lands once the Siege that gives all non creature spells Convoke gets resolved, become beaters with anthem artifacts, and also provide fuel for Skullclamp and Ashnods Altar
Aside from beat down using Banner of Kinship and Coat of Arms, I also have other win cons like Twenty Toed Toad, Hullbreaker Horror/cheap Artifacts, and Mass Manipulation to steal key pieces
deft terrace
Here’s my group hug deck with actual wincons if anyone can take a look:
https://moxfield.com/decks/w1EEnATH806qw80s7qvFpw
I was considering Cleaver Concealment & Suppressor Skyguard in the 99. Cleaver might be better than Heroic Intervention, and Skyguard discourages attacking me.
storm fox
i have been playtesting maralen for a moment now, and i keep thinking i may have cut too much mana generation
or moxfield is screwing me over and over again with bad draws
so im adding back in a elven chorus
i think card draw should be good, hadn't realized yet that maralen can steal card draw spells as well
deft belfry
i think card draw should be good, hadn't realized yet that maralen can steal car...
lol thats what i was saying, but i will admit that i also have misread maralen the first 2 times
deft belfry
It’s a control/spellslinger deck trying to protect itself with chump blockers th...
overall lot of things going on, i dont see obvious problem since you seems to know what the deck is doing. on the other hand if you want more focus on certain strategy or more cast triggers payoff in case the main plan isnt working. it is running a bit like a [[talrand sky summonerer]] deck
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deft belfry
as long as you hit your landdrop each turn, the control play style should run smoothly
i would use the moxfield compare it to other spellslinger decks just to see how much instant sorcery they like to run, as well as the "best version" of each counterspell or spot removals
feel like you can run a bit more removal in the current list
even if not doing pongify/ rapid hydrolization
did i see your build before, [[monastery siege]] doesnt look like a common card in the format
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Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose Khans or Dragons.
• Khans — At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card, then discard a card.
• Dragons — Spells your opponents cast that target you or a permanent you control cost more to cast.
deft belfry
not a bad "ward 2" effect although it maybe meta dependent to know how effective it is
soul guide lantern seems meh consider there is [[ghost vacuum]] in the game; but ofc it cost more $
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Artifact
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Put each creature card exiled with this artifact onto the battlefield under your control with a flying counter on it. Each of them is a 1/1 Spirit in addition to its other types. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
[[gift ungiven]] that card i am straight up bad at using due to not running tutors often in my own decks
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deft belfry
not sure what are your targets depending on the scenario
i dont think [[wizard's retort]] is worth it, there should still be other counterspells? will have to check scryfall on that one
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if you control a Wizard.
Counter target spell.
"The second mage learned to dissipate blasts of lightning. Threat and response: thus did the study of magic progress." —Naban, dean of iteration
deft belfry
as you can see, i dont think the category need much changes
if they are 1-to-1 swaps
[[coral atoll]] bounce... is from the OG bounce land cycle, i think it isnt worth it
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice it unless you return an untapped Island you control to its owner's hand.
: Add .
deft belfry
can run [[guildless commons]] instead
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Add .
deft belfry
Here’s my group hug deck with actual wincons if anyone can take a look:
https:/...
well, the most confused thing i have here is: where's all the bounce lands? K&T puts lands into play, and with green available, i think you want to rely more on land ramp over artifact ramp
or in additional to mana rock
my focus on this commander is probably the game play of how to get out a well timed impactful spell along side the mid-range playstyle
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deft belfry
by having an 8 toughness commander and all the pillowfort effects,i think the chance of getting attacked is very low to begin with, soooo may not need that at all
sweet ember
overall lot of things going on, i dont see obvious problem since you seems to kn...
Aha, I've learned to focus more on redundancy, both for variation and consistency. I find it more fun to run 5 different win cons that I will shuffle to between games based on which pieces I draw early rather than going all in on the same strategy for every game, so I'd prefer to run multiple pay-offs that all have different goals but can all be fueled by the same game plan with minor pivots.
sweet ember
i would use the moxfield compare it to other spellslinger decks just to see how...
Oh yeah I can see that, thanks for the suggestion
deft belfry
i helped with one a while back let me see if i can pull it up
lol yep that was yours
sweet ember
feel like you can run a bit more removal in the current list
I do want to run Pongify and Rapid Hybridization for spot removal, but I havent been able to find them near me for anything below 1.5x market price. I do want to get them eventually, but if I do, do you have suggestions for what I can replace them with?
deft belfry
[[chief engineer]]
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Creature — Vedalken Artificer
Artifact spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting an artifact spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
An eye for detail, a mind for numbers, a soul of clockwork.
1/3
sweet ember
did i see your build before, [[monastery siege]] doesnt look like a common card ...
Wait I recognize you, yeah you did give me help when I posted a thread asking for help. Thanks dude, you and the other guy really helped me decide on the direction I was gonna take my deck for
deft belfry
not quite non creature spell convoke
yeah i can see the deck did changed and finalized a lot
sweet ember
not a bad "ward 2" effect although it maybe meta dependent to know how effective...
I feel like its one of those cards I can comfortably slot in and out of the sideboard, but I do like how it discourages attacks on my key engines and instead encourages board wipes which are more value to counter
deft belfry
personally i am a sucker for clones and copies so i would jam in [[complete the circuit]] to get extra big value stuff, but i am sure there are better cards esp after lorwyn elicqse dropped
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Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
You may cast sorcery spells this turn as though they had flash.
When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell twice. You may choose new targets for the copies.
sweet ember
soul guide lantern seems meh consider there is [[ghost vacuum]] in the game; but...
Is it that good? It doesnt seem to have a way to mass-exile Graveyards
deft belfry
I feel like its one of those cards I can comfortably slot in and out of the side...
make senses, i dont run generic counterspells in my own decks so i face less of that decision point. i run one sided wipes. with tokens i can do [[perplexing test]]
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deft belfry
or [[zimone's hypothesis]] etc
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deft belfry
[[soul guide lantern]]
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
deft belfry
because this is sorcery speed exile
sweet ember
[[gift ungiven]] that card i am straight up bad at using due to not running tuto...
The plan with this is to pull key cards depending on what pieces I have. For example I could pull Nexus of Fate to take one of four slots that either makes the enemy waste one of their "send to Graveyard" slots on a card Ill recover anyways, or leaveit be and give me an extra turn, and I can pull Fabricate, Mystical Tutor, and Scour for Scrap to guarantee at least two win cons taken from the Library
deft belfry
or a [[tormod crypt]]
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile target player's graveyard.
Dominaria's most extravagant crypt nevertheless holds an empty grave.
deft belfry
where as ghost vacuum is always able to slowly take things out one by one
and no one wants to remove a 1 drop artifact
rather than that good, i just think that a one time effect vs a indefinite effect
is more devestating for a grave matter deck
most of the time tormod is able to completely host someone's game plan
sweet ember
i dont think [[wizard's retort]] is worth it, there should still be other counte...
There are better Counterspells, but this price list is getting a bit bloated so I thougt to keep it to save a bit of money. Especially since, including my Commander, 6 out of my 9 Creatures are Wizards, so I can usually guarantee the cost reduction meaning its practically a reskinned Counterspell
deft belfry
i dont think the sac draw part matters so thats why i figured vacuum has better utility
sweet ember
because this is sorcery speed exile
Wait, it is? I thought Artifact Abilities are Instant speed unless otherwise stated?
deft belfry
I do want to run Pongify and Rapid Hybridization for spot removal, but I havent ...
i will think about that one
deft belfry
Wait, it is? I thought Artifact Abilities are Instant speed unless otherwise sta...
i mean the first exile
on cast
enter
most decks dont run soul guide because it has no synergy in the deck, its like a mini stax piece in the 99
the value it gives is on the lower side
and it just sort of sits there until you decide to pull the trigger and sac
sweet ember
rather than that good, i just think that a one time effect vs a indefinite effec...
When you put it like that I can see it. The effect of Ghost Vacuum seems like a discount Rise of the Dark Realms, and Commander decks are varied enough that I usually face 1 or less Graveyard focused decks, so I can place Soul-Guide Lantern on the sideboard until I need to face 3 different Graveyard decks. Tormod's Crypt is something I havent been able to find sold near me, though.
deft belfry
Xp fair enuf
sweet ember
But yeah, I think your right and I can replace Lantern with Vacuum
deft belfry
i think my one [[stone of erech]] is enough for me to deal with 90% of the graveyard decks i faced other than the ones where i have to bojuka bog their grave
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Legendary Artifact
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
, , Sacrifice Stone of Erech: Exile target player's graveyard. Draw a card.
"At the Stone of Erech they shall stand again and hear there a horn in the hills ringing." —Malbeth the Seer
sweet ember
can run [[guildless commons]] instead
I considered running [[Arid Archway]] and Guildless Commons, but I felt that with all the colorless pip reduction I was running it was more valuable to run a Bounce land with Blue pips since those, I cant discount until I resolve [[Invasion of Segovia]]
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Land — Desert
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand. If another Desert was returned this way, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
: Add .
Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4
Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
deft belfry
yeah that makes sense
sweet ember
https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/251/stone-of-erech
Wait hold up how have I never heard of this before this seems perfect. Im thinking this+Vacuum, should be good for both sustained and burst value, yes?
sweet ember
personally i am a sucker for clones and copies so i would jam in [[complete the ...
In terms of Instant/Sorcery copies, I find I prefer [[Rimefire Torque]] more, since I can either save up charges for a bi burst turn copying my big boi spells, or consistently copy value spells over several turns
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Whenever a permanent you control of the chosen type enters, put a charge counter on this artifact.
, Remove three charge counters from this artifact: When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
: Add one mana of any color.
With thistle, quill, twig, and beak, the finest artisans of each animalfolk society stitched unique quilts, patched together as a symbol of harmony.
Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color get +1/+0.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
deft belfry
anthems you may like
sweet ember
make senses, i dont run generic counterspells in my own decks so i face less of ...
For these, I was planning on running [[Season of Weaving]] which makes up for the extra 1 CMC by being a modal spell with every option being valuable
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Sorcery
Choose up to five 
worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Draw a card.
— Choose an artifact or creature you control. Create a token that's a copy of it.
— Return each nonland, nontoken permanent to its owner's hand.
deft belfry
ohh guess what you can make a token of your commander with that
AND still keep the original in your hand
since statebase action isnt checked UNTIL the spell fully resolves
sweet ember
anthems you may like
I thought about these, but I feel like 3 CMC mana rocks giving +1/+1 is less value when my birds are already mostly used to chump block or fuel engines, and and if I want to go for beat down I have [[Coat of Arms]] and [[Banner of Kinship]]
deft belfry
thats fine, just wanted to give the extra option, coat of arms is usually more scary in case the attack fails
sweet ember
ohh guess what you can make a token of your commander with that
Yep, keep him safe, copy a big value Artifact like Banner of Kinship/Coat of Arms/Bident of Thassa, or copy a Creature Engine
sweet ember
thats fine, just wanted to give the extra option, coat of arms is usually more s...
And thanks for the genuine help. Question: What do you mean by "When the attack fails"? I know both have their advantages (Dropping Banner of Kinship with 10 birds means even if I get hit with a board wipe my birds will still have +10/+10 as long as it remains, while Coat of Arms can be dropped even when Birds are low and still provide scaling value, but its buff weakens after a board wipe)
deft belfry
if damage dont connect
coat of arms will buff the rest of the table
and thats probably lethal back on you
deft belfry
Yep, keep him safe, copy a big value Artifact like Banner of Kinship/Coat of Arm...
you can make a copy of the commander, and bounce it back in hand
which imo is funnier
deft terrace
well, the most confused thing i have here is: where's all the bounce lands? K&T ...
Hmm, bounce lands might be worth it IF my commander is already out, although I already have 3 lands that ETB tapped. Will consider for sure.
Yeah Il cut Skyguard, fair enough. Also adding Split up and Winds of abandon for more asymmetrical wipes. As far as mana rock Signet and Fellwar are color fixing, and thought vessel and Decanter are hand size fixers. Il add rampant growth in addition to Farseek, natures lore and three visits.
sweet ember
coat of arms will buff the rest of the table
Oh true I didn’t catch that. Hmm, since it’s way more expensive than Coat of Arms, I think I might cut it for [[Candlekeep Inspiration]] or one of the two Mana rock Anthems you mentioned
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sweet ember
So, I just found out that [[Panharmonicon]] Exists and works with my Commander. The question is if it's worth it to run it when it only counts Creatures and Artifacts. The Creature half is unreliable since my only Permanent with a triggered ability from Creatures entering is [[Kindred Discovery]], so I'm wondering if a sot and 4 mana is worth it when I only have 16 Artifacts, most of which I aim to place early game to ramp and thus can't guarantee will have enough available to make Panharmonicon worth it
storm fox
lol thats what i was saying, but i will admit that i also have misread maralen t...
Yeah, i thought you meant that maralen draws 2 cards didnt think much about what it draws, anyway, i think i'll olaytest the deck this evening
See if it actually does elfball stuff
Or if i need more mana generators now
deft belfry
So, I just found out that [[Panharmonicon]] Exists and works with my Commander. ...
not on cast trigger
or are we talking about something else
deft belfry
Yeah, i thought you meant that maralen draws 2 cards didnt think much about what...
for non land cards: ramp > draw > removal > jank/synergy piece are usually what you can draw from other people's decks
unless you are meta gaming to destroy someone's combo piece, i think most of the time you want to target the one with the highest expected mana curve to cheat out something big
deft belfry
Hmm, bounce lands might be worth it IF my commander is already out, although I a...
i original got that commander from the precon and it was one of the hardest group hug deck to build and play i came across. Do you have any self imposed restrictions? For my build back then, i was sticking as close to the group hug theme as possible and with the intent to let everyone hit their land drop for a fun explosive smooth game. yet the table will get ahead and still end up with a VERY LONG game
[[keen stone]] was something i couldnt keep even though on paper it is very on theme if the game last long enough
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Artifact
, : Target player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in that player's graveyard.
As it spins, dead voices shriek in an ever-increasing cacophony, rending the mind asunder.
deft belfry
i invested like 2+ yrs on that deck to keep it as close to the original 99 as possible. i think rather than specific cards its more about how you want the game to go
the commander is the engine that gives extra land drops after T4. its basically a [[exploration]] after that point
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deft belfry
the one or two open mana is usually not as important so i dont mind having more tapped/utility lands as long as i get the 4 colours
if you want to do all the fetches, i think you do want somewhat of a landfall theme to maximize the payoff [[lotus cobra]] for the most obvious base ramp + fixing
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deft belfry
on your side of the 99, as long as there is the early game fixing, commander ramp draw, and mid-late game payoff with all the mana, the deck is very flexible with the game plan even with underwhelming weak cards. so idk if X spells are necessary but do whatever you find fun
i think tons of "group hug" decks got a bad rep because people dont actually build group hug and call it that to get away with broken things. which i dont think is the case here
just be care how others may preceive it in that pre game conversation
and one of the main reason why i added in more removal and counterspells is because
i find that as the table is getting more cards, naturally more spells and big threats will come out
everyone will be using their removals on each other's threat while iget away with my janky values
sweet ember
not on cast trigger
If I'm reading it correctly, wouldnt this allow Hermes' ability to trigger twice? Since it's a triggered ability. its just that of the two card types Panharmonicon works with, only Artifacts work and unless I draw Panharmonicon in my first 5 turns by the time I get it it's likely either late enough in the game that I'v placed down most of my Artifacts and thus won't have enough opportunity to justify the slot or its a "win more" card
Actually when I put it like that I think I'll abstain
deft belfry
and at the point where the deck size are getting low, resources are running low, K&T will having more left to deal with the table
[[Hermes,]]
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sweet ember
I've also gone on a new search for cards to slot in, and long story short I am now gone from looking for what Removal to add to looking at some extra options for Instant/Sorcery Recursion
deft belfry
you need a permanent that is either an artifact or creature
sweet ember
[[Hermes, Overseer of Elpis]]
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deft belfry
to enter the battle
aka ETB trigger
if something trigger from something entering
then it trigger one more time
i think oldschool likes to refer to panhar as the "double trigger" but nowadyas there are so many things that does that
for cast trigger, you would either need a second copy of Hermes such as [[spark double]]
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deft belfry
[[renicus duplication]]
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sweet ember
you need a permanent that is either an artifact or creature
What? The text says "If an Artifact or Creature entering causes a Triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers again", it doesnt specify that the permanent's triggered ability needs to belong to an Artifact/creature, just that any permanent's that have triggered abilities will trigger again
deft belfry
ENTERING is the keyword
sweet ember
OH
deft belfry
cast is not the same as entering
sweet ember
Oh I see
deft belfry
there is something that can do what you want tho
sweet ember
No I see it, so this only works with [[Kindred Discovery]] since it triggers on Creatures entering, but Hermes triggers on cast
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deft belfry
[[virtue of knowledge]]
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Enchantment
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Vantress Visions
Instant — Adventure
Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
sweet ember
I get it now
deft belfry
[[fracture realm]]
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Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it's a Reflection in addition to its other creature types.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Fractured Realm
Enchantment — Room
If a triggered ability of a permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
deft belfry
the adventure side only
not the panharmonicon side of virtue of knowledge
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, If a triggered ability of a permanent you control triggers
direct comparison
sweet ember
Wait wouldnt the bottom side of Mirror Room double all my Coastal Piracy, card draw, and Hermes?
Oooooh
deft belfry
Yes
sweet ember
Very hefty cost
deft belfry
and your bounce land too lol
sweet ember
But by the time I cast it I usually have enough engines running that its worth it
ooooh
I like this
deft belfry
i ran it with [[volo guide to monsters]]
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deft belfry
create two copies of the creature spell for 3 things entering, each one will get 2 etb triggers
and the deck focus on making more volos
green covers the high mana value
sweet ember
and your bounce land too lol
Doesnt [[Coral Atoll]] not trigger until it hits the battlefield, and since it only triggers after entering, it wouldnt double the bounce?
shrewd zealotBOT
Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice it unless you return an untapped Island you control to its owner's hand.
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sweet ember
Oh
Well, one card becomes a downside
But that ability tho...
I think its worth it
deft belfry
i think its worse than a basic island tbh
i would just cut coral when i am playing blue
even the land deck dont like OG bounce
maybe white because they have catch-up ramp and [[achaeomancer's map]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
bot scared me with how long it loads
sweet ember
Actually I've been looking up recursion spells rn
shrewd zealotBOT
Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Everything looked fresh, and the new green of Spring was shimmering in the fields.