40 life format, anything with less than... say 5 power is kinda irrelevant
#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
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tall willow
That’s fair
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that 2 proliferater above, do care about blinking your commander
costume is also leave instead of die
so all of those works with blink
tall willow
But I played the deck in a bracket 2 table to test it, and it felt good, just lacking on card draw and recursion effects
I think I should have a costume closet?
tall willow
Also I’m willing to buy a few more cards, especially if they’re cheap
deft belfry
I think I should have a costume closet?
i only see conjure closet
is it in your side deck or something
tall willow
I meant in my collection lol
deft belfry
Also I’m willing to buy a few more cards, especially if they’re cheap
no worries i play fairly cheap budget myself and i will pick from the cheapest stuff first or at least universally usable in other decks if you ever move the card around, so its is worth the value for its buck
rightnow, you want to tag you cards, some card have more than one category, try to do multiple if possible. Ramp and draw i want to see more
tall willow
should tag your cards
Also just hastily threw the deck together today before posting it here lol
deft belfry
i think theres too much ramp cards and not enough utility/card advantage
tall willow
I am WELL aware of my lack of card draw, I’m asking for good card draw cards to add lol
deft belfry
but some are more expensive
rather than card draw tho
black is best at bring things out of the grave so you can gain card advantage without directly drawing
[[warroom]] this is in almost all my 2 colour decks
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Pay life equal to the number of colors in your commanders' color identity: Draw a card.
A figure is moved on a map, and the tide of war changes.
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[[$war room]]
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oh nice you got a lotho
hmm dont remember what white cards cares about counter and card advantage, will have to scryfall
the black cards i remember tends to like to keep their creature abitlities
[[!power conduit]]
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[[$power conduit]]
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tall willow
I think I have a Ketramose, will have to look for it
deft belfry
nice gtg
tall willow
ty for the help, catch u later
wicked gust
i been playing since 2018, the return to return to revnica/war of the spark onward
tall willow
I think he was asking about my collection, as I said I "cobbled this deck together out of cards I owned"
tall willow
should tag your cards
UPDATE: it took me more time than I'm willing to share, but I found my Ketramose! also found a few other cards that I added, and I put a few more in the sideboard that I'm considering adding
cold quartz
hey mon i dropped all the faerie stuff from ephara and curious what you think about it now and how i could make it better, a lot more creatures happening since they all draw me a card with my commander
https://moxfield.com/decks/LYLEshRG3UCecc_rq3TRpg
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UPDATE: it took me more time than I'm willing to share, but I found my Ketramose...
3 hrs isnt that bad imo XD i see the Scholar that has a nice remove counter payoff
lowkey forgot about the main effect of [[Ketramose, ]]
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tall willow
when thing(s) is exiled on my turn, draw 1 lose 1
deft belfry
seperate instances of exile becomes draw
tall willow
GREAT card draw, saw play in modern for a time
deft belfry
but that means you will need lot of exile in the deck to make it work
especially repeatable ones
tall willow
(and if I do have Ketramose, exile-based removal may be more incentivised)
deft belfry
i almost never play destroy removals
tall willow
looking at my "blink" package, 6 of my 11 options are repeatable
3 of them are flat conjurer's closet effects, one's an activated ability, one is 2 spells to airbend, and one is "less blink, more make a copy"
(I labled helm as "blink" in the deck, as itt basically does the same thing as blinking the target, minus the exile)
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then the problem becomes, you dont really have a good way to get to ketramose, but when you do, sometimes you can draw a little more cards
i dont think towashe guide bot is worth a slot
[[vito thorn of dusk rose]] is usually very strong card, not sure how i feel about that here
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Cleric
Whenever you gain life, target opponent loses that much life.
: Creatures you control gain lifelink until end of turn.
"Through the blood of the wicked, we shall be redeemed. Let us pray."
1/3
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because in order for you to gain a decent amount of life, you need a big creature with the lifelink counter swinging for damage
so it sort of becomes a weird "double strike"
and a loop to jump through to get there
[[rotting regisaur]]
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[[heritage duelist]]
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i feel like those 3 drops would be generically good
and less specific
i think they are cheaper than vito as well in price if you dont already own vito
tall willow
I currently own all the cards in the deck
deft belfry
k, so anything you dont own will probably end up adding to your collection/budget
[[xu ifit osteoharmonis]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It's a Skeleton in addition to its other types and has no abilities. Activate only as a sorcery.
"They will call you a monster, but I call you worthy."
2/3
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has a similar effect
[[$mangara the diplomat]] really came down in price, i need myself a copy
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B2, i think [[Cut a deal]] hardly have any downside
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it s like the budget [[tempt with bunnies]]
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[[unexplained absence]] is a fun card i really like
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Instant
For each player, exile up to one target nonland permanent that player controls. For each permanent exiled this way, its controller cloaks the top card of their library. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward 
. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
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and in here, you can have big face down creatures
if that happens to your top card
[[sunfall]]
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Sorcery
Exile all creatures. Incubate X, where X is the number of creatures exiled this way. (Create an Incubator token with X +1/+1 counters on it and ": Transform this token." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
"Let the light scour away your imperfect flesh." —Heliod
deft belfry
exile removal that give you a big creature
also cost less than rebirth
i dislike [[fake your own death]] when the deck doesnt have a sure way to kill your own creatures
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gets +2/+0 and gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control and you create a Treasure token." (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
tall willow
there's a reason it's in the "Taking out later" tag
deft belfry
oh i havent looked at that tag lol
if you have the MDFC malakir rebirth
that one basically fits in any black decks
unless it runs 0 creatures
[[$court of ardenvale]][!court of ardenvale]]
deft belfry
you have that one?
tall willow
but ye, good suggestions! a few other cards I've considered include [[zu-ifit]], [[phyrexian soulgorger]], [[Haliya, Guided by light]], [[Nykthos Paragon]], and more
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever Haliya or another creature or artifact you control enters, you gain 1 life.
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card if you've gained 3 or more life this turn.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/3
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[[zu-ifit, Osteoharmonist]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It's a Skeleton in addition to its other types and has no abilities. Activate only as a sorcery.
"They will call you a monster, but I call you worthy."
2/3
deft belfry
i would do zu ifit, as mentioned above its similar
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/m20/111/rotting-regisaur
this downside can discard things
tall willow
you have that one?
I have it in a different commander deck, but I could easily proxy it and if anyone has a problem with it say "it's in another deck"
also I put four cards in the sideboard as cards to maybe add, thoughts?
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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/22/nykthos-paragon
this card is a bit of a trap
in most decks its not very good and the initial 6 cost is very high in BW
tall willow
I mean
swing with a single creature and pump my board by 4 to 8 (or more) +1/+1 counters? feels like the perfect home to me
deft belfry
what i said about vito earlier
big creature out > commander put lifelink counter > swing > then payoff
it is a few hoops to jump through
this one add another hoop of a 6 drop creature
and since you gain life on damage (first strike do make it a little better)
you can give the board the added power before normal combat
otherwise, if everything has that first strike counter, then you have to wait for a full rotation, keeping the board, before that +1 counters matters
its a [[light of promose]] that looks cooler
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deft belfry
but is "a bit of a trap"
tall willow
ooh [[Gilraen, Dúnedain Protector]] is a repeatable blink effect
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble
, : Exile another target creature you control. You may return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. If you don't, at the beginning of the next end step, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control with a vigilance counter and a lifelink counter on it.
"Ónen i-Estel Edain, ú-chebin estel anim."
2/3
deft belfry
whats the main use of dark ritual here
tall willow
the thought was to burst-out a "bad" creature and Abigaile all in the same turn, but maybe not
deft belfry
dont seem worth or needed
no haste anyways
losing a card in hand for temperory nothing
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Artifact Creature — Wall
Defender
: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
"The Northern Beacon flared, and even before the drawbridge finished its descent, the knights charged out." —Legend of the Gilded Knights
0/4
tall willow
yay or nay
deft belfry
its fine, but having big creatures is more important
this jank [[illness in the rank]] i have tried and is often too weak since lot of tokens are +2
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deft belfry
[[virulent plague]] is much more playable
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i used it to balance out the weakness of not having enough removal or interactions to go wide decks
[[kaya ghostform]] efficient way of saving anything
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Put a bounty counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.
Whenever a creature with a bounty counter on it dies, each of its controller's opponents draws a card and gains 2 life.
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at 3 mana, you have so much more than lockets and stuff
i think 3 mana ramp should at least give you value beyond "tap: add 1"
otherwise, i will just do [[mind stone]] no point of spending 3 mana
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Artifact
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
"We have barely begun to learn the secrets of the Fourth People. Every remnant of their presence, however cryptic, is a gift." —Akal Pakal, First Steward of Oteclan
deft belfry
but i am not too concern about the small ramp because you just need to hit your natural landdrop per turn
and draw into more cards
https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracletag%3Adeathtouch-counter+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name best blocker
and i find [[void beckoner]] somehow forgot abotu this card
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Creature — Nightmare Horror
Deathtouch
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, put a deathtouch counter on target creature you control.
8/8
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[[call of the death dweller]] is pretty gud too
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a creature i like more than arcane signet is [[ornithopter of paradise]]
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Artifact Creature — Thopter
Flying
: Add one mana of any color.
"Through even our darkest days, we must never cease creating. Each new invention brings value to the world, be it beauty, utility, or both." —Rashmi, aether-seer
0/2
deft belfry
colourless flying blocker never dissapoints me
and my personal favour [[rug of smoothering]] i run it in any decks i can find room for
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when you have life gain synergy, the burn will affect you less
it is easily doing like 50 damage a game and no one will bat an eye on something that is "symmetrical"
but ofc, the deck that cast the least amount of spells, and or gaining back life
is least affected
[abigale, first year]]'s deck brewing fun lies in "looking for somewhat low cost creatures with drawbacks you want to remove on board"
[[abigale, first year]]'
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deft belfry
and having that creature ability removal in the commander zone in itself is strong against decks that rely solely on big static/trigger effect
rn this build has WAY TOO MUCH single target removal
cast/recast abigale = removal, blick = removal, reanimate/target creature, everything in the deck is basically removal
deft belfry
hey mon i dropped all the faerie stuff from ephara and curious what you think ab...
deck do look a bit smoother with the fairy gone
[[ghostway]]
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[[eerie interlude]]
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so expensive $$ 😵
i know some merfolk from the new lorwyn set has flash speed
and covoke is really nice for cost reduction
so many teferi's in the deck 😵💫 i dont know how to play those
😵💫 😵
definitely a unique deck hopefully not too hard to play
[[victory chime]] is the counterpart that came before waterskin
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Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: A player of your choice adds .
The favored noisemaker of goblins ever since the wardens cracked down on explosives.
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although it is still less mana than like [[phrexian altar]]
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[[homunculus horde]] may work with all the card draw
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deft belfry
actually quite fitting 😄 since draw 2 create token(s) = more draw
that works better than i thought
its like the perfect [[fairy mastermind]]
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[[run away together]] [[town for us]]
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[[town aint big enough]]
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a permanent you control.
Return up to two target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
"All that fancy footwork, and you can't even dodge one silly little rope? Cryin' shame, that is."
deft belfry
i think those are nice alternatives to removals in case you want to reuse anything
cold quartz
so many teferi's in the deck 😵💫 i dont know how to play those
they feel really good in the deck when im drawing so many cards, esp the one that gets a loyalty counter every time i draw, in one turn cycle i got to use its ultimate ability on my next turn
cold quartz
[[victory chime]] is the counterpart that came before waterskin
i had victory chimes in but after playing the deck, with all the pips in my deck it felt reallly bad to have it only tap for colorless and kind of fucked me over more than once just that game, then the next got and used bender waterskin and it felt way better
deft belfry
they feel really good in the deck when im drawing so many cards, esp the one tha...
that one is the easier one
cold quartz
also i really need to increase land/basic land count and cut some duals even for basics
deft belfry
the other that has so many control effects
its feels like too many options
but i am probably just getting distracted by the ultimate
cold quartz
i could have gained like 10+ more cards from [[deep gnome terramancer]] which obv isnt always going to happen but i didnt have any to grab from fetch lands or [[land tax]]
cold quartz
deffinitely need more lands with a type at minimum
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/41/homunculus-horde
i deffinitely dont need more draw, the draw is crazy
cold quartz
actually quite fitting 😄 since draw 2 create token(s) = more draw
that is a really h igh quality draw piece though which is interesting
deft belfry
yeah i didnt see that interaction until i mentioned it
it just liked the card because it reminds me of other homuculus
cold quartz
now sure how mana hungry the deck is: may consider [[flawless maneuver]]
i did have it in at some point, guess i removed it
cold quartz
it just liked the card because it reminds me of other homuculus
yeah thats fair haha
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/67/run-away-together
oh thats a cool bounce
im trying not to go overboard on bounces though, i already have 7, because i dont really have much bounce benefit in the deck outside of drawing a card
deft belfry
i guess
cold quartz
and bringing back some flash creatures to reuse the effect
with how much draw i had though i didnt feel the need for any more since i practically always had one in my hand
if anything it might be worth to cut a draw or two for more land
the thing is though once my draw is really going then i dont need any of the lands im drawing
but it was really hard to get going at the beginning with how few were in the deck
so im not sure
late i have way to many even at 30, early i have not enough
well not too many, i just discarded them when i went over hand size
deft belfry
i think at one point, the deck where i draw an average of 4-5 cards per turn (with ways to find land/fix mana) i run as low as 33 lands (before MDFC)
cold quartz
yeah this was 30, 34 with mdfc
deft belfry
34 is very risky
cold quartz
which is by far the lowest count ive ran before, usually i run 37-38
it makes mulligans really hard to even get 2 lands in hand, which still isnt very good without 1 piece of ramp
the deck deffinitely functions really well, if not a little too well and be a bit annoying to face by the sound of it
the main issue ethough is deffinitely the land base and mana
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Artifact
Multikicker (You may pay an additional any number of times as you cast this spell.)
This artifact enters with a charge counter on it for each time it was kicked.
: Add for each charge counter on this artifact.
cold quartz
i did actually cut 2 things after that game i guess and add 2 lands so im at 32 now, 36 with mdfc
deft belfry
oh you already played tested in game
thats quick
well i have to wake up early tmw so i am heading to bed Xp will think about his again
cold quartz
before you go got a quick question
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❓
cold quartz
[[lotus field]] [[lotus vale]] worth cutting even if i have a way to stop the sacrifices to add more plains/island type lands?
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Land
Hexproof
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, sacrifice two lands.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Land
If this land would enter, sacrifice two untapped lands instead. If you do, put this land onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
: Add three mana of any one color.
At what price beauty?
cold quartz
oh you already played tested in game
yeah got 2 games in, one 7 turn game and one 17turn game LOL
deft belfry
by itself it doesnt change the amount of mana you make, but with untap they suddenly becomes ramp
cold quartz
vsing another azorius player and a blue/green control deck with my control azorius made that game go so long
deft belfry
did you consider that cycling fairy that untaps two lands
cold quartz
by itself it doesnt change the amount of mana you make, but with untap they sudd...
ok i dont think i have a way to untap besides on one of the teferi plainswalkers so prolly not worth
deft belfry
yeah without untap its the same amount of mana
cold quartz
yeah but it sounds useless most of the time in this deck tbh
deft belfry
and without ways to get lands back you arent getting much out of it
cold quartz
free 2 drop that takes up a slot in the 99
deft belfry
it does give the potential of open mana
on another players turn
and if played before Ephara
with 4 mana
it draws on that next upkeep
but we can leave it out for now
dont need to care about the lotus field then
land type tutor matters more for consistency atm
g'nite
cold quartz
gnite, see you tomorrow!
deft belfry
[[ademi of the silkchutes]] is this the online spiderman
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Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Flash
: Ademi gains flying until end of turn.
, Sacrifice Ademi: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
3/2
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Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Flash
: Spectacular Spider-Man gains flying until end of turn.
, Sacrifice Spectacular Spider-Man: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
3/2
deft belfry
wtf AM I LOOKING AT
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question; would [[abigale eloquent first year]] fit in this deck somehow?
https://moxfield.com/decks/lJ73pHzG8EK1hfHihtgkcw
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deft belfry
question; would [[abigale eloquent first year]] fit in this deck somehow?
https:...
my gut answer is no, but may have to test it out
losing ability is not a thing that is good on your creatures in a normal commander deck
the P/T usually is not the reason why a card is play [[yargle and mutani]]
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deft belfry
and [[darksteel mutation]] [[kenrith transformation]] are some of the all star* removals on commander
storm fox
and [[darksteel mutation]] [[kenrith transformation]] are some of the all star* ...
that's what i was thinking, and it also stays even when abigale would leave the field
also he has good keywords for pumping him up
deft belfry
if the equip cost reduction doesnt matter
than having flying is not a bad thing at the cost of menace
i think the only thing abigale is missing is flash, so it becomes the ultimate double blocker combat trick
deft belfry
also he has good keywords for pumping him up
abigale pump up Killian? thats what you meant right?
deft belfry
[[stangg echo warrior]][[!stangg twin]]
deft belfry
kinda the flexible verison of stagg
gives you a second one and attack with raw power
storm fox
abigale pump up Killian? thats what you meant right?
more like that in time of need, he himself has good keywords, thus can also carry aura's really well
storm fox
Think i'll try to find a place to slot abigale in (as a removal piece i think)
deft belfry
👌
deft belfry
i would just do [[pyrrhic strike]] instead
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deft belfry
low cost, kill things, maybe lose an insignificant creature in the process
deft belfry
i think for Ephara i can make cuts on flash enabler since lot of the deck is already playing at flash speed
which can lower mana cost and add other utility beyond card draw value
cold quartz
[[ademi of the silkchutes]] is this the online spiderman
it is yeah, i found this art because i dont want a spider man in my deck LOL
deft belfry
@wicked gustfor the one with a 12 drop izzet commander [[cactus preserve]] is a really good tapped land
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Land — Desert
This land enters tapped.
: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce.
: Until end of turn, this land becomes an X/X green Plant creature with reach, where X is the greatest mana value among your commanders. It's still a land.
deft belfry
may consider cutting idol of oblivion
wicked gust
That's silly
deft belfry
was lilianna in your deck before?
passive draw static ability
because with all the token doubler, you can get so many cards off them dying
cold quartz
hey mon in my ephara deck is there a different finisher that i can run instead of [[mirror entity]] that costs like 6 mana instead of needing to put 7-8 mana into it to actually buff my creatures i have out, felt really bad when i needed to hold up interaction so i couldnt realistically sink mana into it, 7-8 mana asuming im flashing it out because it would get removed during a turn cycle if i played it naturally
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Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X and gain all creature types.
Unaware of Lorwyn's diversity, it sees only itself, reflected a thousand times over.
1/1
deft belfry
hey mon in my ephara deck is there a different finisher that i can run instead o...
what about katara that is like mirror entity
whats that card name
this deck you may want to take inspiration from, but it does have the issue of not having much of a win con
https://discord.com/channels/574711449566445603/1465158047583436976
[[ Guardian of Faith ]]
[[Amphibian Downpour]]
are things idr seeing in the epharar deck
cold quartz
ended up going with [[elish norn, grand cenobite]]
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cold quartz
and threw in a [[pupu ufo]] funny name and i can put in 2 lands a turn? hell yeah
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Artifact Creature — Construct Alien
Flying
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
: Until end of turn, this creature's base power becomes equal to the number of Towns you control.
"Thank you!"
0/4
deft belfry
teferi who slows the sunset
teferi mage of zhalfir
would be my cut because they dont really play alone that instant speed synergy and almost all the important stuff already have flash
[[dollmaker shop]] maybe
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Enchantment — Room
Whenever one or more non-Toy creatures you control attack a player, create a 1/1 white Toy artifact creature token.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Porcelain Gallery 
Enchantment — Room
Creatures you control have base power and toughness each equal to the number of creatures you control.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
deft belfry
may remove spirited companion as well since theres enough draw
Potential cuts:
creature flash teferi
time slow teferi
doggo
deft belfry
very minor detail about tagging:
I took things out of the "bounce" and put it in removal, mainly [[!sink into stupor]] since it cannot target your own piece. while airbend can target opponent's stuff so they can be removal at times
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I wanna add [[twilight diviner]] in my mardu terra deck. Pulled one last night along with [[morningtide light]] but idk what to cut ti add the diviner https://moxfield.com/decks/_hI8CM85eE-NuAkasaejVA
deft belfry
ended up going with [[elish norn, grand cenobite]]
And then, apparently teferi's protection can be a small nonbo (if you somehow dont get in a winning position) since it get rid of all your mana and draw engine on your opponents' turn
but i also added it in as a "win con"
deft belfry
I wanna add [[twilight diviner]] in my mardu terra deck. Pulled one last night a...
since it does mutiple things, i think you can cut from either #mill #impulse or this big pile of
wicked gust
Lol
Would the morningtide be good to add too or no?
A way to protect myself for a turn
deft belfry
you have one card you didnt know where to put it and its 3 cmc 👀
wicked gust
I probably forgot to add a tag after adding it
deft belfry
its basically TPro if balanced
it can be used as fog, reuse all your etb
wipe out opponent's blockers on attack
before attack*
deft belfry
it is still fog
until your next turn
oh and wipe all tokens
most causal deck play at sorcery speed anyways
wicked gust
True
deft belfry
i think its more of a playstyle if it fits how you want to protect yourself instead of the last minute "win the game" button
the fog, token wipe, and tap down blockers is the generic part of it
and the reused all your etb is same as having [[eerie intelude]]
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
i think its more of a playstyle if it fits how you want to protect yourself inst...
I agree 100% which could of come in handy in quite a few games
deft belfry
since it is both defence and ?offense? in one card, mostly defence, as long as you have developed a big enough board on your side; it s usually a good card
not the perfect fit with terra, but not bad
cold quartz
[[dollmaker shop]] maybe
I kinda like it, wouldn't mind more token gen, but the board builds slowly, slowly, oh they all have +8/+8 and flying - most of the time before that big one I swing like a couple times? Almost never
cold quartz
may remove spirited companion as well since theres enough draw
There is enough draw for sure but that being early draw 1 w/o commander or draw 2 has been quite nice, I end up bouncing it most of the time if I play it because I needed to draw to get to an answer
cold quartz
very minor detail about tagging:
I took things out of the "bounce" and put it in...
Makes sense, I think I forgot to tag a couple things like eerie as protection too
deft belfry
i will try to record some of my flash shenanigens from my [[heliod dawn ralian]] deck online and see if i find anything i forgot there
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deft belfry
[[heliod radiant daw]]
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either 
or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6
deft belfry
Makes sense, I think I forgot to tag a couple things like eerie as protection to...
your removal count was pretty high too after making those adjustment
cold quartz
And then, apparently teferi's protection can be a small nonbo (if you somehow d...
Ah yeah that makes sense, I actually somehow haven't seen it in the 4-5 games I've played the deck even though every time I end up seeing like 70 cards in the deck - maybe run grand arbiter over it?
cold quartz
your removal count was pretty high too after making those adjustment
What was the count? It definitely plays essentially as a control deck, then with the control being on creatures, they slowly build on board until I throw out an overrun effect
It actually plays quite nice since I'm not actually developing a board on my turns they don't view me as a threat and instead of swinging at me, swing at my opponents and get their life totals down
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/p6F2E8GHzkGmiO5sF-0VIA my slight changes
the difference
was just testing if it plays differently without certain pieces
flash teferi only give flash to creatures so i think raff is doing more with mana rocks
cold quartz
Hmm, I could be down to run less but have more optionality to each answer, because a few times I don't have good answers for the board state until I draw like 15 cards with that mdfc 7cmc that draws equal to my hand size
deft belfry
but other than that pretty sure you got more if not all the best cards already
as fore told i just couldnt use it well since i like that explosive play style
in theory it should be the ideal ramp at flash speed
cold quartz
I just dropped mischievous mystic because most of the time I'm not drawing 2, it's just drawing 1 per upkeep
cold quartz
Archivist could be an add for sure, wanted to fit it
Same story as mystic for the horde and I don't think I make enough tokens for junk
Raff maybe, 4cmc feels real hard to play before I have 8-9 mana
deft belfry
yeap i get that
cold quartz
Flash teferi I quite like though for preventing counters or removal when I eventually swing for lethal
deft belfry
i just brought myself a HP'ed [[awakening]] that i hope the chaos works in my favour
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
would be really bad against ephara XD
cold quartz
Ooo yeah it would hahaha
Well maybe, depending on the pod it might lock the board a bit since creatures basically have vigilance
deft belfry
i would easily make those swap
cold quartz
Hmm, I quite like plainswalkers in this deck tbh since I have all the ways to protect it, I've gotten the ultimate on them every time I've played them
cold quartz
Basically yeah I suppose
I also politic a looot with this deck
Like hey you could swing over here, I'll remove it, or you could swing over there and I won't, and they're like sure ok, every time 😂
deft belfry
Ah yeah that makes sense, I actually somehow haven't seen it in the 4-5 games I'...
that may work, havent thought of grand arbiter for so long due to its stax nature
deft belfry
Like hey you could swing over here, I'll remove it, or you could swing over ther...
your table need to grow that threat assessment brain
cold quartz
Ahh I'm becoming the white enemy, everything we swore to destroy
I've only played it with randoms on tabletop from discord
deft belfry
you are like the double agent i sent to the white army
cold quartz
Yesss exactly
Grand arbiter is more stax lite though no, doesn't disallow things, just a different line, maybe a 2 and 3 drop instead of a 6 if they have 6 mana
cold quartz
Idk, I don't know plainswalkers well, didn't even know about these ones till someone from one of my games was giving recommendations
deft belfry
oh lol
i only ever see the one that can draw each turn by activating it on opponent;s turn at instant speed
cold quartz
Could archivist maybe go in over the {1}{U} that gets +1/+1 when I cast a spell on an opponents turn? That one has felt pretty useless
deft belfry
yeah it should replace that
id=wu t:planeswalker for exclusively UW ones
id<=WU for all of them
if only [[dovin baan]] doesnt suck so much
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
Now thats some stax
deft belfry
5 turns to get there tho
cold quartz
Oh it starts at 2?! 🤮
deft belfry
unless you are messing with [[rad storm]] i dont think its realistic XD
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cold quartz
Idk if I'm rad enough for radstorm
deft belfry
yeah you are not rad enough 🤓
i think the best part about rad storm is the version without the reminder text, but it s hard to throw into a deck 😭
Instant Storm Proliferate. Card text box is so clean
so little yet do so much
cold quartz
Wait did someone say counterspell? Don't worry I'll take em out back boss and show em a piece of our mind
deft belfry
Here's my version of counter-spell [[ambiguity]]
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
Hahaha wtf
deft belfry
silverborder FTW
cold quartz
I need my coffee before I read that shit
deft belfry
if you can flip the art on your phone, the upside image is another thing
🫠 or crack your neck 180
cold quartz
I can on the phone..is that..is that nick cage?
deft belfry
Wait did someone say counterspell? Don't worry I'll take em out back boss and sh...
knowing you, you will use your counterspell to start a war
deft belfry
I can on the phone..is that..is that nick cage?
dont think so, just a random dude
but you can be anything you wanna be
😄
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
even at the cost of wasting my entire hand
cold quartz
Not with counterspell though, with tishanas tidebox or w/e the name is
deft belfry
[[case of ransacked lab]]
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Enchantment — Case
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
To solve — You've cast four or more instant and sorcery spells this turn. (If unsolved, solve at the beginning of your end step.)
Solved — Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
deft belfry
so i threw all my instant speed removal on my turn to force the experienced player at the table, knowing they are 85% likely to have protection
cold quartz
dont think so, just a random dude
That would be funnier so I'm going with that
cold quartz
i think i did [[case of ransacklab]] and wanted to solve it that turn
I love that hahaha
deft belfry
that stack was like 7 spells among the two of us
and i wasted my hand and got 0 draw out of the solved case that game 👌
it is a really bad [[emeritus archmage]] and later [[archmage of runes]] was printed
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Creature — Giant Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
He's so intent on his study that others think him frozen in place.
3/6
cold quartz
so i threw all my instant speed removal on my turn to force the experienced play...
Yes I love that, make them have it..I tell so many randoms that I play with, even when I'm not playing ephara, to run more protection if your panties are getting bunched up from one board wipe
deft belfry
what, panties?
cold quartz
and i wasted my hand and got 0 draw out of the solved case that game 👌
Hahahahaha that feels bad
deft belfry
worth for the 'solved case'
cold quartz
Solved the case of what removal is in your hand for sure
cold quartz
Yeah I think I've only seen those cards once
deft belfry
someday, someday they will reuse it and it will get the lesson treatment; generically good card that is very playable
cold quartz
Same with the doors, it's so rare people unlock it
deft belfry
rn i think i am waiting for battle
i assume it will be in battlebond 2?
[[fracture realm]]
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Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it's a Reflection in addition to its other creature types.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Fractured Realm 
Enchantment — Room
If a triggered ability of a permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
deft belfry
both sides amazing
the good room and the bad rooms are tiers apart
as long as you want one side on repeat or both side are good for your theme, they arent too bad
cold quartz
someday, someday they will reuse it and it will get the lesson treatment; generi...
Yeah I think you gotta trudge through Turtles, stsrships. Marvel super heroes and villans, SpongeBob and blues clues until then
deft belfry
and if you care about high mana cost in the deck like to win CLASH, all the double sided cards have really high cmc
another spongebob?!?!
cold quartz
Well that was s secret lair, prolly a set of it too
cold quartz
and if you care about high mana cost in the deck like to win CLASH, all the doub...
Yeah I just learned about that for the rooms
Since it didn't get removed from a cmc based wipe
deft belfry
idk the age for blue clue, but i think it is like less than Bluey
would be funny as shit if they pull a +3 infant brand into the +12 mature audience card game
but that would only be for like an April fools joke
cold quartz
idk the age for blue clue, but i think it is like less than Bluey
No more, blues clues was from when I was a kid like 22-23 years ago, bluey is today's kids
deft belfry
not another premium unwanted produce like 30 yr annvis
cold quartz
would be funny as shit if they pull a +3 infant brand into the +12 mature audien...
secret lair maybe or [[secret tunnel]]
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Land — Cave
This land can't be blocked.
: Add .
, : Two target creatures you control that share a creature type can't be blocked this turn.
"I forget the next couple of lines, but then it goes...'Secret tunnel! Secret tunnel!" —Chong, nomad musician
deft belfry
i have seen blue clue stuff around from a decade ago, guess they must have reused it XD
cold quartz
i have seen blue clue stuff around from a decade ago, guess they must have reuse...
bastards
deft belfry
A product to ruin your childhood more than your uncle has
cold quartz
they respected my avatar set and made it sick
speaking of which, i want to make a 5 color aang deck that runs all of the avatar shit
deft belfry
tru, i am trying to watch some avatar because of that, never got far into it
sound like aang is your commander XD
cold quartz
i got my sister to watch it and weve been watching it together the past few months, soo fucking good, she loves it even though she didnt know anything about it and just learned about it, and shes 30 so i think its fun for all ages
deft belfry
although he is more of a 4 colour (non black) elemental bending draw engine
cold quartz
sound like aang is your commander XD
yeah the one that flips, idk the name because theres like 15 aangs
that gives a mana discount when flipped
deft belfry
[[aang the airbender]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Ally
Flying
When Aang enters, airbend up to one other target nonland permanent. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Whenever you cast a Lesson spell, Aang gains lifelink until end of turn.
3/2
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
[[avatar aang]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Ally
Flying, firebending 2
Whenever you waterbend, earthbend, firebend, or airbend, draw a card. Then if you've done all four this turn, transform Avatar Aang.
When the world needed him most, the Avatar returned.
4/4
Aang, Master of Elements
Legendary Creature — Avatar Ally
Flying
Spells you cast cost 
less to cast. (This can reduce generic costs.)
At the beginning of each upkeep, you may transform Aang, Master of Elements. If you do, you gain 4 life, draw four cards, put four +1/+1 counters on him, and he deals 4 damage to each opponent.
6/6
cold quartz
nailed it
cold quartz
wtf that gif bricked my discord for like 5 seconds
deft belfry
🤣
cold quartz
i love the blue avatar too
deft belfry
i dont
cold quartz
yeah, when it came out?
deft belfry
that apparently took like 25 years to make or something
cold quartz
no that was for the 2nd one because the camera tech wasnt advanced enough yet for the underwater shots he wanted
deft belfry
it was just fancy visual with shallow substance, or maybe i didnt understand it at the time
then i am really not sure which one i watched, i feel like i did watch the first one
cold quartz
it was just fancy visual with shallow substance, or maybe i didnt understand it ...
it can be a bit shallow yeah but the first one at least was like anti big business/capitalism which feels quite analagous to today
deft belfry
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cold quartz
esp living in the states 🙃
deft belfry
i think my upbringing i would relate more to the modern dystopian capitalism
cold quartz
you love counterspells, i dont like blue, avatar or not
you dont like smurfs, you dont like white people, what do you like mon
deft belfry
cyberpunk edge running background setting
cold quartz
you dont like smurfs, you dont like white people, what do you like mon
prolly just rakdos for you, you edgelord
deft belfry
you dont like smurfs, you dont like white people, what do you like mon
[[rug of smoothering]]
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
something soft and fluffy
why are you telling me to ol yeller the dog in my deck then D:
deft belfry
it is suffering along side all the control shit
deft belfry
i want you to [[tragic slip]] on my Rug
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
see i was thinking that it brings others joy along with all the control shit
deft belfry
yeah right, look at their tear of joy
cold quartz
thats why all my lands are beaches and shit, gotta chill people out and remind them of happier places when i tap it to remove all their toys
deft belfry
more salt from the table than the surrounding islands on your board
i guess i just like to light shit on fire
cold quartz
i guess i just like to light shit on fire
hey i do too, i had good fun with [[judith, carnage conneseur]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
and i mispronounced elmo as emo way too often
deft belfry
hey i do too, i had good fun with [[judith, carnage conneseur]]
until it becomes control boardwipes tribal
cold quartz
more salt from the table than the surrounding islands on your board
yeahhhhhh, last game i had land tax, propoganda and rhystic out at once
cold quartz
after having a sol ring, signet start..and they STILL wouldnt swing at me
deft belfry
sounds like new players
i think i got an [[forgotten ancient]] out T2 after topdecking sol ring T1
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
that thing lived the entire game and got me over 25+ counters
cold quartz
yeah the random discord lobbies are real hit or miss, you get 2 out of 3 every time:new players, underworld breach old heads, leaves when a board wipe is played players
deft belfry
rip
cold quartz
sometimes its real good though
deft belfry
tru, and you can get lot of games in
cold quartz
yeah, ive been learning loads the past week or two because i do often play with people better/more knowledgable than me now
like i just learned some arguably basic shit that i just didnt know, that copying doesnt target
so it gets around hexproof
deft belfry
what kind of copy
cold quartz
well this type of copy that doesnt say target on the card
deft belfry
but a copy of the original
cold quartz
i dont remember the name but theres a few of those
cold quartz
nono, i mean my sheoldred had swiftfoot boots on and was copied by my opponent
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
is not the same as "copy"
deft belfry
hmm not sure about the detail but off my head something do seems off
[[fork]] [[lighning bolt]]
cold quartz
[[princess yue]] i think? was one
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble Ally
When Princess Yue dies, if she was a nonland creature, return this card to the battlefield tapped under your control. She's a land named Moon. She gains ": Add ." (She's still legendary.)
: Scry 2.
3/2
cold quartz
no, it was a piece of it though
cold quartz
yeah, used a regular copy to have the moon land enter as a copy of sheoldred
he busted out the layer sheet
deft belfry
if you clone something as Yue, when it dies, it took over that "undying" and return itself, and then clone something else
cold quartz
maybe it was clone and we were saying copy, idk it was like a week ago
cold quartz
having 2 shoeldreds be lands though was some crazy shit
there were 4 sheoldred apo out at once
because i reanimated my opponents
cold quartz
yue can have 2 because they arent legendary, they are Moon
deft belfry
She's a land named Moon. She gains ":manat:: Add :manac:." (She's still legendary.)
cold quartz
i had my opoonents, a 3rd opponent had mine
cold quartz
yue can have 2 because they arent legendary, they are Moon
well according to his explanation of the layers legend rule didnt apply
deft belfry
oh i see
cold quartz
it made sense when he went through it, i wish i could remember the board state
cold quartz
nonlegendary copy maybe? idk
deft belfry
i will try look it up online to see how many ways to turn Yue into non legendary
cold quartz
thats like all the yue's deck was trying to do though, copy something and have it become a land
deft belfry
mutate, chaos, and storm are usually my messiest game state i have created
sometime all of them at once
deft belfry
thats like all the yue's deck was trying to do though, copy something and have i...
[[Thats rough buddy]]
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
i love messy board states, makes for fun games
deft belfry
[[chaos moon]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of each upkeep, count the number of permanents. If the number is odd, until end of turn, red creatures get +1/+1 and whenever a player taps a Mountain for mana, that player adds an additional . If the number is even, until end of turn, red creatures get -1/-1 and if a player taps a Mountain for mana, that Mountain produces colorless mana instead of any other type.
deft belfry
not recommanded, did it once
cold quartz
it did cause me to watch a 20 minute video on layers though, which i still only sort of understand
like i understand it but not enough to apply it in my games
deft belfry
[[vraska the silencer]] this one had my opponent triple reading my commander everytime
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Legendary Creature — Gorgon Assassin
Deathtouch
Whenever a nontoken creature an opponent controls dies, you may pay . If you do, return that card to the battlefield tapped under your control. It's a Treasure artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color," and it loses all other card types.
3/3
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/ice/179/chaos-moon
wtf, you just like having a calculator out
deft belfry
i use a coin/ die for odd and even
cold quartz
counting cards out here like your playing blackjack
deft belfry
and the mess is with treasures, everyone can check the number with priority with the trigger on the stacl
[[tempting contract]] in case others dont have treasures
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
"alright so theres 39 permanents on board but 24 of them are lands, hes likely to hit a permanent on his next draw based on having 6 lands out and 4 cards in hand, so im gonna have him discard after drawing''
fuckin beautiful mind having equasions running through your head
deft belfry
upkeep trigger
after draw doesnt matter
red deck: odd is good
non-red deck: even is good aka odd is bad/less good
cold quartz
ah thats not it
deft belfry
Red play wants odd # of permanent on board on their turn, so if someone control the board total count by sacrificing one treasure
cold quartz
cmon
cold quartz
how the fuck do yall kids do this
cold quartz
im 28 and i cant figure out how to put a gif in dsicord
deft belfry
ah, sounds like a boomer
cold quartz
play the one where the drunk guy falls onto the trailer home
cold quartz
what are you my parents?
sure am, thats why i gotta control you both out of magic and in it
deft belfry
on the right beside the arrow to enter your message
there is a gif/emote icon you can search gifs
deft belfry
no more offensive ones since discord basically "patched" those
cold quartz
thanks fellow young'in
deft belfry
inb4 i am more old than you
cold quartz
haha i think you said you were last time
cold quartz
https://tenor.com/view/calculating-alan-the-hangover-math-zach-galifianakis-gif-...
anyways, thats you playing that card
deft belfry
back in my days, white doesnt draw cards
nah
more like
did i get it?
all according to plan
cold quartz
back in my days, white doesnt draw cards
hey i was there for some of those days, i started in like 2016/17 post atraxa/ur dragon precon
deft belfry
oh i guess you started commander bofore i did, until 2018 i was playing 60 cards causal
cold quartz
https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-acting-up-ormond-lanes-bellair-1cAlU...
ahh yeah that does sound more like you, i just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt
deft belfry
i mean... i have a very calculated and elaborate plan with my [[possibility storm]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
but you wont believe me...
cold quartz
oh i guess you started commander bofore i did, until 2018 i was playing 60 cards...
i didnt play magic at all though from like 2021-2023/4
cold quartz
or maybe still in 2020
deft belfry
brought my first mtg card in 2013
ah, so covid converted your social circle into magic
cold quartz
i still have never bought a magic card 🤣 wizards isnt getting my hard earned money
cold quartz
no, all the decks were my buddies cards, and later into it we did start proxying, then i didnt play for like 4 years, now we play on tabletop
why do you think my decks go from 800 to 3k after i change art 😄
deft belfry
i noticed that but online record and offline cards can be different too
and i am still collecting lot of 50 cents bulk
cold quartz
i noticed that but online record and offline cards can be different too
ah ok that makes sense
cold quartz
some of it is crazy though, like heres this $20 land, which is already a lot mind you, but this cool art? $400 take it or leave it
cold quartz
i want to make at least one sleeveless deck
yesss, hold it together with a rubberband
deft belfry
so i wouldnt want over $1 card in that deck
yes, i think i will find old rubberband that is going to melt
cold quartz
maybe tastefully spill some water on it for authenticity
deft belfry
and i do need checklist for double sided cards
cold quartz
i spent $2.50 yesterday and around $45 this past 2 weeks on magic.
you gotta get 3 wives like soleil, then you can get all the cards
deft belfry
heavily play is fine but not intentional destroying quality card board
deft belfry
you gotta get 3 wives like soleil, then you can get all the cards
@wicked gust Spare me one plz
cold quartz
heavily play is fine but not intentional destroying quality card board
yeah i suppose, its the difference between your jeans getting ripped from so much work vs doing it yourself
cold quartz
I only have 1 bruh
cmon, call back humor to one of our convos 😆
deft belfry
😒 so you want to bargin, 70:30
deft belfry
yeah i suppose, its the difference between your jeans getting ripped from so muc...
i bet you be cutting your jeans into jorts
deft belfry
cold quartz
i bet you be cutting your jeans into jorts
hellll no
wicked gust
<@270411180210651147> i promise im not a jackass 😄
Suuuuuure
deft belfry
that video sums up how i build my deck but i am more of a cyan and happiness type of person
cold quartz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2w5SQ0L65I
what the actual fuck did i just watch
deft belfry
deft belfry
what the actual fuck did i just watch
thats why i mentioned "third wife" back then
cold quartz
thats why i mentioned "third wife" back then
ahhhh ok i see it
so uhh
deck building
deft belfry
yes, you need backup plan, in case you get bored of the first two
but hide the backup so the you dont get suspected
cold quartz
but then he couldnt play magic because to not get bored of the first two its gotta be an alternative lifestyle
plays yugioh instead
deft belfry
linear playstyle and deck building is a lot easiler tho
play core card, expand rest of the deck around core card
pre game action, tutor for monster card and put it in the command zone
cold quartz
ok i finally opened moxfield, tf did we decide on again? i swapped in archivist, thats all i remember
cold quartz
i dont mind the way it is tbh, maybe just teferi's pro?
if we optimize it any more i think it owuld only get more groans
deft belfry
oh yeah can try grand arbitor to those unsuspecting newbies
rekt them a new one with the stax
cold quartz
i kinda like being a control player
this is magic the gathering, not solitare
i have a spite solitare deck thats like, ok yall just want to solitare and get mad when your fucked with, i WILL solitare faster and better
thats my ted talk
run removal, run protection
eat ya veggies
deft belfry
me runs [[village rite]] as my protection on my creature
shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
i raise you [[phyrexian arena]]
shrewd zealotBOT
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cold quartz
me runs [[village rite]] as my protection on my creature
that sounds like a blue thing 🤔
deft belfry
[[heroic intervention]] is just a blue card pretending to be green
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
also, getting rid of things before it get removed is just any way to show why we cant have nice things
cold quartz
no the commander i faced yesterday [[king of the oathbreakers]] is why we cant have nice things
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
for vishgra i would cut [[oblivion idol]] for [[throne of geth]]
shrewd zealotBOT
Artifact
: Draw a card. Activate only if you created a token this turn.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Create a 10/10 colorless Eldrazi creature token.
"Arise, great one, and cleanse the world of our enemies!"
Artifact
, Sacrifice an artifact: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
At the heart of Ish Sah, Geth stokes the dark fires of Phyrexia.
deft belfry
easier to make use of those tokens
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/211/king-of-the-oathbreakers
thats just overprotective parents with their dotting daughter who never knows who the children's dads are
part of it has the unique take of creating end less offspring but the card choices in the deck is somewhat limited to multi target like [[hinata dawn crowned]]
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Legendary Creature — Kirin Spirit
Flying, trample
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each target.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast for each target.
Hope races on sunlit hooves.
4/4
deft belfry
then the last part of tribal/token do become more generic unless you find a personalized deck out of it
deft belfry
Suuuuuure
mentioned throne of geth
[[feed the infection]] do seems to be one of the weaker corrupted card
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deft belfry
[[chittering skitterling]][[anoint with affliction]] seems to be the best
deft belfry
overall very minor swaps if want to make any
i think most of the deck matters more around the play style and negative connotation from "infect"
having few blockers will be the toughest part in a battlecruiser deck
as well as the typically weakness against heavy control late game
dim scaffold
ello monomon heres a new bria, riptide rogue prowess deck I'd like you to look at! thank you https://moxfield.com/decks/sKJiYhTNTkWhdSRWs8MPcg
the goal is to get ~4 creatures (including bria) on the board, and then prowess them up through draw cantrips (which should hopefully keep my hand from emptying too quickly)
deft belfry
that sounds like a blue thing 🤔
[[bottomless pool//locker room]]
probably never comes up, yet for decks that wants a repeatable engine to bounce something, 
is really not bad. i sm lowkey considering infinite loop with it
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Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, return up to one target creature to its owner's hand.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Locker Room
Enchantment — Room
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, draw a card.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
deft belfry
rooms are janky tho for the most part
deft belfry
the goal is to get ~4 creatures (including bria) on the board, and then prowess ...
this curve....
the cost reducers dont make that much sense [[haghty djinn]] at least have evasion, the otters dont
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Creature — Djinn
Flying
Haughty Djinn's power is equal to the number of instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
"I adore your outfit. It's so . . . rustic."
*/4
deft belfry
which dont matter too much since Bria gives anything unblockable
but the cost 
is not doing anything most of the time
[[primatic lens]] hmm
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Artifact
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
It bends not light but mana, aligning its chaotic currents into the sharp angles necessary for the mystic's purposes.
deft belfry
some synergy is not there
whats the ideal hand that you can craft
https://moxfield.com/decks/sKJiYhTNTkWhdSRWs8MPcg/compare/1rJ5ITprtkyrVyQhg7SFMA here is a quick comparison to another online bria deck. I think the overall spell count is very high but it is not getting much value out of those cards
even if you avoid the high $$ cards like [[harmonic prodigy]] there are still many creatures that would help get the damage through
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deft belfry
as for cantrip spells, i think it would be close to a [[zada hedron grinder]] deck
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deft belfry
needing Bria out and untap for the rest of the deck to function do put a big target on your boardstate
that idk if it can be mitigated
upgrades isnt hard to find, but the card type ratio can make some changes to run smoother
[[whisilk cloak]] is kinda nonbo with the shroud?
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature can't be blocked and has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip
Such cloaks are in high demand both by assassins and by those who fear them.
cold quartz
[[bottomless pool//locker room]]
probably never comes up, yet for decks that wa...
ive never used one but they look cool
i might start to play b4 tbh, b3 is kinda bumming me out
deft belfry
oh rly
cold quartz
so many people are so salty about just magic the gathering, and it bums out everyone else, esp me
like i had to break up a fight because this guy was raging about getting couterspelled by one of my opponents
on like t4
deft belfry
are you sure its not the sea water surrounding your islands
cold quartz
hahaha no it wasnt even me
cold quartz
and i was chatting with a guy about this a few days ago who mainly plays b4 and people that he plays with from the same discord dont really get salty about shit, and have properly built decks
cold quartz
its not and i 100% agree with you but if people are looking to play b4 they are more serious and understand what magic as a game is and entails and what to bring to the table
while b3 i think looks like an entry point for a lot of people that are getting into magic online
and theres a lot of baggage and expectations because of that
deft belfry
thats kinda under the assumption everyone at the table is playing at that power and going to "aim to win"
cold quartz
where b4 is more of a 'veterans' level
deft belfry
i think B4 are more salty about the "emotional" bad play that resemble king-making
cold quartz
wdym
deft belfry
but are more fitting for what you may refer to veterans
cold quartz
i think B4 are more salty about the "emotional" bad play that resemble king-maki...
like going for someone just because they got countered or something?
deft belfry
inexperienced player may think they can play at B4 but its like getting into a tournament, where without enough knowledge about certain things it is increasingly difficult
cold quartz
oh 100% im prolly gonna get shit on because i dont know enough, but thats how i learn the best too by getting shit on and learning from it, lil trial by fire
deft belfry
like, B4 tries to do the optimal play
cold quartz
in my b3 games most of the time ive noticed im actually the one explaining rules a lot of the time, deff not all the time, esp for certain decks, but it is happening with increasing frequency
deft belfry
but some requires indepth knowledge to make that threat assessment and prediction
cold quartz
ahh so if someone incorrectly predicts or threat asseses they get salty?
deft belfry
explaining rules will still happen if you find the niche enough pieces, or complicated layer stuff
deft belfry
ahh so if someone incorrectly predicts or threat asseses they get salty?
somewhat along that line, but like giving value to another player/ work against archenemy/weird politics
cold quartz
hmm ok, i think i want to try it and see what its like, the discord where i do my tabletop edh games i dont really see much b4 stuff, not sure where a better place for that is
deft belfry
i think it would be less salty about having interaction but more salty about how interaction is used
guess you just have to try and find out
i think i have less than 10 actual"B4" power games in my life and zero interest in a 4 way Cedh game
overall, just dont want mismatch
and play with the chill dudes
cold quartz
yeah cedh doesnt interest me at all
deft belfry
pre brackets i ve basically been playing my B2 against B3 decks all the time
so i really dont mind not seeing anymore rhystic TeferiPro cycRift anymore
cold quartz
and play with the chill dudes
very much same, and at least where i get my online edh games in, im hoping b4 is the answer for that, or maybe go down to b2, but thats a bit less fun for me tbh because certain archetypes either dont work nearly as well at b2 or are just inherantly stronger at that level where interaction quality is worse and less plentiful usually
deft belfry
yeah B3 is always a weird place
3 GC rule makes no sense in the format but it is a cap
cold quartz
pre brackets i ve basically been playing my B2 against B3 decks all the time
yeah certain archetypes lend well to that for sure
cold quartz
3 GC rule makes no sense in the format but it is a cap
yeah i think its wierd too, i want to say that they should split up b3 into two seperate brackets but ive heard the argument that that might push it back too much to how it was before, which i wasnt really around for, aka everything is a 7
deft belfry
one of my favourite commander youtuber back then (lowkey quit making vids) is demo. from EDH deckbuilding
cold quartz
havent heard of em, are their vids still up?
deft belfry
when brackets were first introduces, he mentioned how it doesnt really helps and in his community the established powerlevel basically ignore the use of brackets
yeah its up
cold quartz
i think part of the problem is still the inconsistancy with what is labeled as a game changer, like as a blue player [[mana drain]] is 100% better than [[force of will]] but FoW is a game changer and not mana drain, at least imo
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Instant
Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next main phase, add an amount of equal to that spell's mana value.
Enthusiasm is no match for preparation.
deft belfry
the uasage is diiferent
cold quartz
for sure
deft belfry
force of will reads "1 life, 1 other blue card, counter any target spell"
cold quartz
but overall for what they do for you, mana drain goes 1 for 1 but usually results in way more mana than used to cast while FoW actually puts you down a card instead of just 1 for 1
deft belfry
i didnt make the list
i think he put up the vid after stopped making more new vids or something
cold quartz
ahh ok
deft belfry
cold quartz
interesting first video, probably gonna watch the second video too, but the title is wild, like of course [[land tax]] is not an issue, but that didnt stop this player from telling me otherwise today 😂
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deft belfry
"Dont be a baby and cry about a counterspell because you casted something important up against the 2 open blue mana, suck it up, your actions has consequence" maybe hard to say to someone but sometimes it is true
the videos with no cards on screen is easy to listen to as podcast
cold quartz
imo i think i big one is not protecting the big spell/creature or play
i feel like i win so much with ephara solely because i dont cast my wincon the moment i get the mana, i wait until i can play it and hold up a counterspell, or if its an interaction game i wait until i can have TWO responses if i get responded to
i dont just tap and pray
deft belfry
the janks are why i like him. although many recommendations online lacks the "this card can work in this and that" yet doesnt give enough examples how it works, or decks they belong in. some channels are especially bad with that, just a bunch of cards in all differerent colours
yeah, the instant speed hiding things is a really good strategy
cold quartz
an edh youtuber i found recently and have been listening to is deck driver MTG
puts out similarish videos to like a salubrious snail type video
deft belfry
i am okay with him, but doesnt interest me that much. i like the different perspective
cold quartz
i am okay with him, but doesnt interest me that much. i like the different persp...
is that to snail, or deck driver or the guy you showed me?
deft belfry
driver
snail i like a lot for prettyy much all his videos
i am also someone that can talk about mana base/ramp all day
cold quartz
yeah i deffinitely dont watch all of his stuff but i do like the different perspective for sure, he was the one that really explained to me well the importance of protection
deft belfry
or else you become a dad
cold quartz
or like i knew it was kind of important but like explained it in a clear, sussinct way and put into words and expressed kind of my vague feelings on it
deft belfry
i think snail's hybrid mana video was so on point and reasonable
cold quartz
i havent really watched any of the hybrid mana videos from anyone, i dont really care imo but im not engrained in the community as much as other people
deft belfry
some other ytbers are all complains and not much backing on their words
i guess, since you dont really buy cards 😅
cold quartz
i just generally think that a company is going to act like a company if its public "we value the shareholders" aka suck the consumer for every nickle and dime by any means nessessary
deft belfry
wizard taking over ruling community did do a thing to the game, as well as changing rules this and that\
nah, value shareholder is just a slogan to sound respectful to those giving you more money to invest
but in reality you really think of the boss as scums or something
so the bare minimal effort is needed to convince the shareholders will be rewarded
not sure what hasbro 's goal is
if any
cold quartz
nah, value shareholder is just a slogan to sound respectful to those giving you ...
interesting, i do not think its even trying to sound respectful, i feel like most of the time its used in almost a condescending or disdainful way
deft belfry
interesting, i do not think its even trying to sound respectful, i feel like mos...
probably XD
cold quartz
like of course our product used to be good but expensive to make, now its shit but so cheap to make and an awful product because we value the shareholders, they want to see a return for their investment, it deffinitely isnt us being greedy and shortsighted
or one thats more applicable to video games and card games, start with a good quality product, then ramp up MTX or set releases or battle passes or seasons after you build the trust to quantifiably make the game into something that is different than what people loved it for all for the sake of bringing value back to the shareholder
but thats my rant for the day
deft belfry
the DLC
deft belfry
afk
cold quartz
wizard taking over ruling community did do a thing to the game, as well as chang...
yeah that happened a couple/few months after i got back into magic so idk how people generally feel about that
deft belfry
the one who create and design the cards [[command tower]][[arcane signet]][[jewel lotus]] is also the one who has full? control over the official rule; thus have more direct influence over the card market
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Land
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
"The Path of Flame is a flamekin's most personal journey. You must walk it for yourself, but you'll never walk alone." —Zasharua, Brighthearth mentor
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
Eirdu's adherents invoke its blessings with jingling bells and dancing feet. Where there is joy, there is the warmth of the sun.
Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add three mana of any one color. Spend this mana only to cast your commander.
"I've seen my share of baubles, minister. Whatever ostentatious bit of glitter you have there won't convince me to ... Oh my." —Emperor Ayrelion
deft belfry
one of my dislike for higher power/bracket is the generic use of all the best cards
cards that are specifically designed for a fan-created format is weird when it is going to appear in every deck
cold quartz
yeah that makes sense to me, i was having a discussion with my regular pod about this because my buddy loves to play janky old stuff and brought out a snow themed deck which is cool and why i want seperate decks to match that power level when i play w/ them
deft belfry
if there is a design mistake, whats the likelihood of the developer fix it when they are profitting off it
i think ygo had some major issues with that recent years, the key combo piece was left untouched for years
cold quartz
if there is a design mistake, whats the likelihood of the developer fix it when ...
oh 100% nothing at all
deft belfry
and basically everything surrounding that piece were banned left and right yet it just stayed around for so long
"its not a bug, its a feature"
cold quartz
i think a big thing about it for me personally is it was fans of the format making the rules in an effort to help people, they had names, faces, we knew who they were, like after watching the command center i was like oh rachel and JLK are on the rules committee thats cool, gives me an insight into the philosophy behind the decisions
deft belfry
command zone
deft belfry
they were not the RC at first
but the RC that did the nadu dorkside mana crypt banned got death threat so the whole thing
got blow out of proportion
cold quartz
and basically everything surrounding that piece were banned left and right yet i...
thats honestly sadly so many games today, they just see the $$ signs and not do it out of love or passion
cold quartz
but the RC that did the nadu dorkside mana crypt banned got death threat so the ...
yeah the minority will be vocal, im sure wizards probably gets that bullshit daily and we just dont hear about it, its unhinged crazy behavior
deft belfry
the change on vehicle that could be commander right as EoE came out was not too big of a change
deft belfry
yeah the minority will be vocal, im sure wizards probably gets that bullshit dai...
idk how much of that stuff came from commander players, but it is one of those "ban the $ card" and there is a reaction to that
it may even be those who make money with cards like its stock
cold quartz
oh for sure, ive seen/heard of websites for mtg cards that look like stock charts
its just sad that the minority had to ruin it for the majority because i 100% am with you on trusting an unbiased party to decide those things than wizards that has a financial incentive and hasbro with a fiduciary responsibility/pressure
deft belfry
let me google the word fiduciary, cant even sound it out as a non native speaker XD
no wonder why i dont recongnize the word, i am awful with money
cold quartz
haha sorry i forget sometimes your a non native speaker, could never tell based off how quick witted or articulate you are with english, thats something i for sure wish i could do in the other languages i know
deft belfry
history, linguistic, business, macro economic are subjects i dont want to get involve XD visual art and psychology are what i am better at
cold quartz
no wonder why i dont recongnize the word, i am awful with money
wdym, you said you went light and only spent $40 on commons 😄
deft belfry
singles* most are uncommons and rares
cold quartz
ahh ok
deft belfry
wdym, you said you went light and only spent $40 on commons 😄
because i cant adjust, my gauge is broken
cold quartz
i mean i think your adjusted, $40 is like 2 meals now adays, thats enjoyment for life
deft belfry
i can survive with $50 CAD per week on food
cold quartz
yeah as a chef i generally thrive off of 40 a week making bomb food but generalizing
unless the meal requires wine to cook with 😅
deft belfry
but its not because i am keeping track, its more like idk how to keep track
cold quartz
ahh yeah i feel that, i mean it stresses me more keeping track but having more in the account than it does to not keep track and going 'overbudget'
deft belfry
i am probably overbudget all the time then 🤣
cold quartz
your telling me lol, servers make in a day what us cooks do in a week
cold quartz
soon! moving to australia in like a month, and while im there/next summer want to do some private chef stuff on boats and sail around, you make a ton of money doing that
cold quartz
cooks dont get their share of tips?
some places do yeah but then they have lower hourly wage than places that dont share tips to cooks
so its about the same
deft belfry
rip
the typical "you get tips so we pay you less" rip off
staying true the "spirit of the tipping tradition"
the good old exploitation
cold quartz
yep, and thats at michelin level too btw, the top 1% or 0.1% of restaurants, even then, make less than mcdonalds ☠️
deft belfry
wtf
cold quartz
hense why i dont get into paper magic 😄
plus idk if i could even play paper anymore with all the dope features on tabletop to make it easier
just right click the deck to casade 2 for 8cmc
ahh
deft belfry
i liek the shuffle feel too much, but i do enjoy being able. to read all cards on the screen with a single click
cold quartz
yeah, i think that alone made me a better magic player, i would give up asking all the time what cards did after they were out for a while
or just lean over the table all over everyone 24/7 lol
what that card do
cold quartz
hahaha true, but no back in the day more like 3-4 hours with like 6 beers
we had a 'rules' sheet for magic the drunkening
take a drink every instance of 2 or more dmg was the first one btw
deft belfry
"misplay, take a shot"
cold quartz
whenever your creature dies, take a drink
deft belfry
[[equal treatment]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
XD no trying to drink all the beer for yourself then
cold quartz
hahaha i love that
deft belfry
[[forbidden orchard]] the punisher group slug staple
shrewd zealotBOT
Land
: Add one mana of any color.
Whenever you tap this land for mana, target opponent creates a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token.
deft belfry
[[illness in the rank]] "free drink for you buddy, on the house. wake up, thats the floor not your bed"