#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!

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wicked gust
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Idk what that one is

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I know there's an equipment one

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But an aura one?

deft belfry
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[[ajani's chosen]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Interesting

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It does kinds go ham

deft belfry
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it is only infinite in blue white [[enchanted evening]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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instant win tie the game

wicked gust
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Lol

deft belfry
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or maybe when wizard allow hybrid mana

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🤔

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commander night achievement: Ties every game! {{everybody lives]]

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[[everybody lives]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Lol

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The mana curve is kind of weird now

deft belfry
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me trying to make a white deck seriously

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is it too high

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because i would do enchantment ramp

wicked gust
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I tried it before, it was weird and inconsistent

deft belfry
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[[wild growth]][[utopia spaw]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “utopia spaw”

deft belfry
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3 visit can stay

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i may not keep cultivate over enchantment

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[[overgrown bat]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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nope

wicked gust
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It...isn't in the deck?

deft belfry
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need to dig out my Umori cardlish

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list

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trying to name the enchantment

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in place of cultivate eff

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and idr the name of that enchantment land

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beside urza's saga

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vagamoth

wicked gust
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[[Valgavoth lair]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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that

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hexproof is relevant

wicked gust
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Could replace a basic land

deft belfry
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probably

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i see your utopia sprawl in the side deck

wicked gust
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I added it back

deft belfry
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ah just [[overgrowth]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Refresh the decklist

deft belfry
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👌

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you got the surveil land instead of [[temple of plenty]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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13 ramp sources including thr nrw one

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I do own one

deft belfry
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coz i hate tapped sry lands

wicked gust
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Full art too

deft belfry
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👍

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Must be nice 😒

wicked gust
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38 lands instead of 37? Or maybe go to 36 to make cuts

deft belfry
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good for you

wicked gust
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I have dumb luck, the wife pulls are real

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1 pack of spider man, got antivenom, the first and only Spiderman pack I got

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The only card I wanted from the set too

deft belfry
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"mind if i borrow your wife for a few seconds" 👀

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well nvm i forgot i dont pull packs

wicked gust
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Lol

deft belfry
wicked gust
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It's rare I do buy packs

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Like for pre release events

deft belfry
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looking at that super awkward curse [[!overwhelming splendor]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i think i would use [[arbor elves]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “arbor elves”

deft belfry
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[[[arbor elf]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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the thing to remember is that itself can be responded to unlike mana abilities; require the stack

wicked gust
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I figured out the cuts, [[abundance]] screwed me out of playing the game more than anything else less you think its worth keeping

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i cheat mana with it when i have enchantment ramp

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yeah thats not a good 4 drop in this economy

wicked gust
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So cut it

deft belfry
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[[!buried in the garden]] thought of getting this once, never did since i dont have a deck for it

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yeah cut abundance the extra stuff

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abundance is too much

wicked gust
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It's funny and awesome its a great catd

deft belfry
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pun intended

wicked gust
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Buried in the garden is an mvp

deft belfry
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i mean, removal + ramp

wicked gust
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Exactly

deft belfry
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and can clone it

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and HEXPROOF land

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i think you can consider the indestructible lands too

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the artifact duo colour tapped i dont mind even tho i hate the scry one

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it does dies to farewell if someone likes to use that in your pod

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1 artifact land is okay in non artifact deck

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isnt there a 2 drop enchantress

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you didnt play it because of shroud?

wicked gust
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Uh...I think its a regular creature not enchantment creature

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It's dumbly expensive card draw outlet

storm fox
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opinion about [[riftstone portal]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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normal decks doesnt have a good way to get portal into grave, but in the right deck it is like a free chromatic lantern effect

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almost perfect balance

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swap to more green source

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[[serra ascendant]] <.< thats not a "B2" card

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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How lol

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Less it drops turn 1 he's just a lil guy

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Ideas for more green sources?

deft belfry
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[[Forst]] 😅

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match “Forst”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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[[Forest]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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you expected something creative? XD

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i only run untap fetches if i have early drops and in 2 colours i dont need a lot of colour fixing

wicked gust
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It's fine

deft belfry
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i would replace evoling wilds terra expanse

wicked gust
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I think the decks solid

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I don't wanna do fetches less its a lands matter deck

deft belfry
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if you want fetch, panorama and [[shire terrace]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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or straight up basic

wicked gust
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I did just swap em for other lands

deft belfry
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oR* you think duo mana is needed pain lands, snarl/ check lands

wicked gust
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That's what I did

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The mdfc selesnya land and [[brushland]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Perfect

deft belfry
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my dumb brain goes to almost 30 basics when i have enough [[harrow]] in the deck

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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20 is my average before i upgrade the budget

wicked gust
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Fair

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[[Sire if 7 deaths]] with auras lol

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “Sire if 7 deaths”

wicked gust
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[[Sire of Seven deaths]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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when the table expect me to run out of basics with [[trasverse the outlands]] COPIED

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Another pet card lol

deft belfry
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[[$sire of seven deaths]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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🤮

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oh one version is 172

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i guess it is average 30

wicked gust
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I own the full art version luckt pull so

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It's just a lil multi guy

deft belfry
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let me borrow you wife, a few seconds will do

wicked gust
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Lol

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Thank you for help improving another fav deck of mine

deft belfry
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anyways do you want stroke of midnight out for - [[collective resistance]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Maybe

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Or both

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Both is good

deft belfry
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avg commander deck problems

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"No [[yorion sky normad]] is not a legal companion. Rule 0 out "

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/232/yorion-sky-nomad

Yorion, Sky Nomad <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153>

Legendary Creature — Bird Serpent
Companion — Your starting deck contains at least twenty cards more than the minimum deck size. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for mana3 as a sorcery.)
Flying
When Yorion enters, exile any number of other nonland permanents you own and control. Return those cards to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.
4/5

wicked gust
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Want another fun one?

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It's my recent take on equipments...

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Might as well get use out of those equipment sitting on the board

storm fox
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mono, should since kairi is gonna be bracket 2 anyway (and thus be jank), should i maybe include a [[tunnel vision]] instead of something like a very commonly played dig through time or instead of [[rise from the tides]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i havent gotten that card myself but i only have one deck that runs it [[marvo deep operatiive]] the clash mechanic gives my opponent a chance of scry to the bottom and with [[latern of insight]], i do have a legit way to reach a scenario where my opponent will be a singleton copy on the bottom without expecting an out of the blue deck out win con

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/7/marvo-deep-operative

Marvo, Deep Operative <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Octopus Rogue
Whenever Marvo attacks, clash with defending player. (Each clashing player reveals the top card of their library, then puts that card on their choice of the top or bottom. A player wins if their card had a greater mana value.)
Whenever you win a clash, draw a card. Then you may cast a spell from your hand with mana value 8 or less without paying its mana cost.
1/8

deft belfry
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hard casting 6 mana for an effect that may not be able to progress the game at an awkward moment is very tough to put into a deck

wicked gust
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I wanna try marvo out he looks silly fun

deft belfry
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you can go silly jank with 8 drops

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or nasty exponential triggers

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i almost got 65 mana worth of spells in a turn

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after doing nothing with top deck lands for the first 6 turns

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and i did not go for the strongest buid by any means

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overall, any 8 or less cmc UB identity cards can be included

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average 4 cmc on top deck and your chance of winning is really high

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landfall deck you will beat basically everything other than that avenger and whatever big win con green uses

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craterhoof is 8 drop iirc

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but not as often in B2 power

deft belfry
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and it is a card selection moment where you know only some of the cards can be played and the rest are skipped

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the opposite of 'keeping the entire hand' with thought vessel play style

deft belfry
wicked gust
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I had this built for a while and it decimates, but couldn't hurt to improve it more

deft belfry
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[[$chief engineer]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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dang idk why i thought [[sunset strikemaster]] is less than a 2 drop

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its basically the same as [[zookeeper mechan]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[pit automaton]] may have a place in equipment

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[beamtown beatstick]] seems meh, i think i would go harder on lands and less low cost cards for more 3 MV payoff

storm fox
deft belfry
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yea

storm fox
wicked gust
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I'll see what they do

deft belfry
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edited msg above

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i can see 99 getting more boros equipment matters legendary

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loxowarhammer eqp for mana3 is kind of bad althought its trample

wicked gust
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Ye

deft belfry
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waterbending boros is weird

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there should be two other sun titan effects

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in the game

storm fox
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may i ask why [[anim paka]] is in there? she cares about +1+1counters and not power/thoughness right?

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/223/anim-pakal-thousandth-moon

Anim Pakal, Thousandth Moon <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack with one or more non-Gnome creatures, put a +1/+1 counter on Anim Pakal, then create X 1/1 colorless Gnome artifact creature tokens that are tapped and attacking, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on Anim Pakal.
"If we are to protect this world, we can no longer hide within it!"
1/2

deft belfry
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meh on [[abrade]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
wicked gust
deft belfry
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attacking 1/1s are too small

wicked gust
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Fair

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If they are equipped though

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But I see it

deft belfry
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[[aang's wrath]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “aang's wrath”

storm fox
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
deft belfry
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or red versions of similar effect

wicked gust
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But it isnt also attach all to1 creatire

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It's a go wide

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Least its supposed to, I hate loading up 1 creature with everything

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “teshar anc aspostle”

deft belfry
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[[teshar ancestor aspostle]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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potential cast trigger synergy

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[[blitzball]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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3-4 mana board wipes maybe

storm fox
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think that both AO and Kairi are pretty solid (and fun) decks rn

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thus for third i'll make [[junji, the midnight]], maybe grave robbing?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[Sword of Wealth and Power]]doesnt really work

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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discard or reanimate, both nice for thr right scenario

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[[play a game]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match “play a game”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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[[dead or alive]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “dead or alive”

deft belfry
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freak

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all the niche modal spells

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[[live or die]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[lets play a game]]

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
deft belfry
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selfmill, bad choice reanimate with a dose of discard

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oh ye i was going to share my mana ramp package and vraska memey crime deck

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[[wayfaerer's bauble]] [[moonsilver key]][[coveted jewel]] [[stronic resonator]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[thran dynamo]][[sceptre ofeternal glory]] & sonic screwdriver]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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while resonator dont make mana, it is generically good and with draw from random things, you can easily turn the extra 2 mana into more cards

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or just copy your whatever commander's ability

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and now there is the parker s camera for the redundancy/upgrade

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and more cards = more land drops. a lot of those rocks taps for more than 1 mana so in a way, i am getting like 2 lands worth of value out of a single card

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unless that vandal blast put me behind again, which is where the card draw and land drop were for to keep me in the game

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so the rule of thumb is either maintain the 0 net gain card advantage or sneak in card draw whenever i can

wicked gust
storm fox
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time to dig into scryfall now

storm fox
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biggest problem i encounter is running out of cards, so i need more card draw in theme, and life gain

deft belfry
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and i think it is just not played because no one seems to know about it

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never got a copy because i cant find it

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waterbending for artifact is kinda good imo

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too much low cost stuff, as they often dont provide enough to accelerate the game

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lot of things can be retagged to show its function in the deck

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so that they all serves a purpose

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the obvious ones are like [[mask of griselbrand]] I am not satify with a 6 mana draw less than 7

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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so if i cannot get at least that much power, its not something i want for card draw. since Noctis already have lifelink then only half the abilities are applied

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many cards can have more than 1 tag

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some would be more specific for the deck theme such as [[marchesa the black rose]] has a self inflicting pain section to ensure the user has the second highest life total among players

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose

Marchesa, the Black Rose <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
3/3

deft belfry
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so if noctis doesnt has build in life gain, realistically 10 artifact from grave is close to the max without killing you

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there should be rarely a game where you want to play 20 artifact from grave alone

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and have mana for everything

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without going infinite

deft belfry
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JUNJI DECK - STARTS HERE since its about grave robbing, i think [[mindcrank]] is the perfect include to give more choices; mesmeric orb can be a double edge sword sometimes depends on the deck and how much it affects everyne by default. whereas altar of the brood is busted esp if you have tokens or repeat etb

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[yahenni undying artisan]] is a card i considered getting esp with the new reprinted price, i think it is generic enough to be a decent sac outlet

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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black has countless sac outlets to convert into small value, this one is nice with all the marauders to get up to 3 counters

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i think FF also has something similar that keep getting bigger and naturally has Trample

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my direction would probably be more toward waiting for a big board before i get everyone to lose everything

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marauders are good at keeping the boardstate manageable but since edict gives the controller that choice, you will rarely get the extra thing out of the way unlike spot removals

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so a boardwipe + blood artist/syr konrad basically means someone is going to take a lot of damage, along with whatever drain there is

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random fact about [[soldevi adnate]] is that it quite a few diff art to choose from. it was a more unique treatment at the time

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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probably wont matter too much here tho since it is just for the sac

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i guess altar of the brood will make all the undying effect more annoying to keep track off

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since junji would probably pick the mode after everything happens, milling extra cards can change the choice and add more cards to reconsider

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[[?junji the midnight skuy]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[geth's grimoire]] may not have enough synergy with the current build

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i see 2 other cards that can discard each opponent

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dk if bone shard is worth

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perhaps there are too many sacrifice abilities

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[[master breeder]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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lot of cheap tokens to use

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[[feier reach sanitarium]] can be easy to add if there are more discard synergy

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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also put your high cost creature into the grave

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grimoire is a pet card of mine and the dream combo is just things like [[delirium skeins]] for maximum value

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[anvil of bogardan]] guarantee discard every turn, it spiked back around the time when [[the raven man]] came out

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[scavenger's talent]] if need more mill and value

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/111/scavengers-talent

Scavenger's Talent <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control die, create a Food token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
mana1manab: Level 2
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, target player mills two cards.
mana2manab: Level 3
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice three other nonland permanents. If you do, return a creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it.

deft belfry
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[[rankle's prank]] does bunch of rankle's things at once

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[desperate plea]] works well in place of bone shard

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if it is for sac spell i would just do village rite since it is cheap, but [[flare of malice]] can be free

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and ofc bender water skin has a place when there are a bunch of 1 drops instants

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but single target cant get rid of the pesky tokens, so anything that somewhat mention "low cmc" for example [[day of the black sun]] recently is a good way of dealing with small things

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if you are not the one playing blood artist this one can shut down some aristrocrat creatures

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i am willing to play like 5 mana if it is an instant that can wipe tokens

wicked gust
storm fox
storm fox
storm fox
deft belfry
wicked gust
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You were talking about both decks at the same time so things got mixed lol

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I didnt add it

deft belfry
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because for junji, theres not much to do before it comes out so its a good time to set up

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i c

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[[blasphemous edict]] is one of those that is design to resemble bAct but doesnt play the same since it need over 8 creatures to be casted for reduced cost

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if thats something you think could fit, then it would want the board to get bigger with fewer reduction ability along the way

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if the plan is to add in a creature for junji to reanimate yourself

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in case no one else has the thing you want

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perhaps a 6+ cost creature is reasonable

deft belfry
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in my head i am like trying to see if i can instant reanimate a [[phyrexian obliterator]] for an evil combat trick

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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"you sure about casting that Blasphemous act?"

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sac trigger on the stack, reanimate target, picks [[it that betrays]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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but realistically, you can run any "unplayable" overcosted creature within mono black identity

storm fox
proper belfry
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so im stuck trying to get my zimone deck to play a bit faster and dont know if there are any other wincons outside of thassa and milling out my opponents in simic. what should i cut or add? https://moxfield.com/decks/6lC25utLA0C269rCvqYXCg

Moxfield
zimone - Commander (Zimone, Mystery Unraveler)

•Thassa’s Oracle + Infinite Draw: With engines like Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal and mana rocks, you can generate infinite mana and draw your deck to win with Thassa’s Oracle or Laboratory Maniac.

•Altar of Dementia + Yedora Loops: Sacrifice a manifest creature, mill opponents, return it...

deft belfry
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the "Draw me like your French Girl" demon whats his name with the doom sdays ability

storm fox
deft belfry
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my wifi is dying

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oh really, that was a big thing back then in was it modern or something

storm fox
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[[doomsday excruciator]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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the 4 black pips is supposed to be a downside but wizard gave everyone shock fetch so it was never an issue with the premium mana base

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[[hellcarver demon]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[!hellcarver demon]] the Post

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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pose*

storm fox
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that pose is good

deft belfry
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much funnier if used with black "give control" then "goad" but it is 3 cards in the 99 so its hard to achieve

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you can see the flavour text without it being there "Draw me like one of your French girls"

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it was one of the dumb things i tried with [[rakdos the defiler]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and i make sure i send the right message about how I am here to make someone at the table feel violated by the demons

storm fox
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yeah i did that one for Thanks GIving night 2 years ago

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but Blim playing with discard did make it somewhat who attracts more attention that i like

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blim can give himself too so if it is goaded like Slicer, everyone will have to go chaos mode and keep on giving things away

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if you take control of too many things, you will also lose life and discard a bunch

storm fox
deft belfry
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as the trigger affect ALL players not just defending player

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but as a 4 drop, flying with 3 toughness, it is slow

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with discard at 3, no one can really keep their core game plan together unless they are super ahead

storm fox
shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
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give away a swamp

deft belfry
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you want to give swamps out XD

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i guess for $$$ deck there is urborg

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  • urza cave etb
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etc*

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[[$urborg tomb]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth

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deft belfry
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why did i check 🤮 🤮

storm fox
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yeah, it's expensive

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going 2 eat

storm fox
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i added [it that betrays] to the deck, tho that does mean i need a cut now

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deft belfry
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done and back

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above card mentioned without a name waws [[morbid curioiusity]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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going to check that simon deck

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simone?

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@proper belfry is infinite the plan or you want other ways too; because simic is infamous for land value win

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pc not loading so i cant seems to get the list out yet [[ zimone mysery unraveler]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/8/zimone-mystery-unraveler

Zimone, Mystery Unraveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, manifest dread if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may turn a permanent you control face up. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
3/3

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but landfall in general can build a massive board of tokens with consistent ramp throughout all stages of the game

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well i do need some tagging to find out what is going, the weirdest thing is that with all the mana rock fast mana, there are so few land synergy with the commander, if i am looking at the 99 alone, i would never guessed that is is a zimone deck

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having less lands makes [[azusa lost but seeking]] much weaker as you wont always have the extra lands in hand

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at least 2 lands needs to come in whenever it is the same turn as azusa or the turn after azusa is out for it to be worth

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otherwise i may as well do a sinlge cultivate instead to "draw 2 lands"

proper belfry
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That would be for being able to play lands from the graveyard because then I can still get this energy from the lands and proc them

deft belfry
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[[simic signet]] those can be land ramp instead?

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proper belfry
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Im stuck on what to cut honestly as I feel like ruin crab would be worth adding

deft belfry
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i see aesi but no tatiova

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rn noow, it looks like you have to figure out the cards you have to keep as a pile and what room you have left to work with

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i will be around for about 10 mins

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put each infinite combo in its own pile, maybe tutor that can get those infinite in another pile

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and the mana base , i think there will be like -30 cards that can be somewhat flexible at best

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probably irrelevant, kinnan doesnt work with Ashaya is kind of funny to me

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ashaya has so many infinite combos as well

proper belfry
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Ive been back and forth about kinnan, hes more for his ability to dig

deft belfry
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well, after tagging is done we can look at the cards that doesnt have a place in a combo or part of a combo

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is jin gitaxias a win con if cheated out early

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i dont really play in the environment where someone tries to kill as early as possible

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so i am not sure how fast the table is going to play at

proper belfry
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No, he is there for the card draw and forcing opponents to have to discard so they're less responsive from the hand

deft belfry
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is ee

proper belfry
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Ee?

deft belfry
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see*

proper belfry
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Jin has helped multiple times in high 3 games. (Not using the mox build yet as this is the b4 version im tweaking before moving to b4 area)

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gtg, overall tag each thing, if it has multiple category, tag it all in each one

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@deft belfry Yo question for you, I own a copy of [[extraplanar lense]] but never use it, it seems like its a kos card. Should I just sell it?

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Obviously I'd use snow lands for it in a mono deck but idk

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Thoughts?

deft belfry
# wicked gust <@391063794387910656> Yo question for you, I own a copy of [[extraplanar lense]]...

what is Kos card ? something worth money? i am not much of a financial investor. from my perspective i rarely got to a point where i have cards where i own and willing to sell and i prefer owning things that i can play with (if it goes up, i want to have access to it) but i dont want to pay a high amount for a piece of card board unless the card* carry special value to me. And i am too much of a hoarder to let things go, i cant even get rid of my bulk commons

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and who knows, maybe some time this year we will see a land focused commander that really cares about exiling your land or lands with same name tapping for crap ton of mana.

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[[$planar lens]]

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unless you suspect a reprint and crush in value, i dont think $10 is the highest point

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i would want a $5-6 HP copy

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technically it is best in green due to obvious green ramp [[skyshroud claim]]

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but other colours uses it more to make up for the lack of mana

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idk, most people dont touch mana rock until B3+

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As In I play the card and I become the target

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while every red deck can play vandalblast, (an extreme case) every "sobatoge" others without advancing your game plan card is only good when you are ahead in game or need to stop someone else from popping off

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if playing all the removal spells put you into hellbent instead of getting more cards, it is really hard to win

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sol ring the best non-GC mana ramp

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how often is it destroyed in your games

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basically i dont think most "ramp" piece make you a target unless you did something before and the other person is holding grudge

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this knuckle deck has a weird direction
makes so much mana but it's just hoarding them, dont really have a direct payoff

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no access to [[cranal plating]] in red

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[[inspiring statuary]] maybe

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bigscore has something that makes treasures and burn, there is a 2 drop that burn when treasure enter oppnent's grave, or few other that convert treasures into things

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[[reveberate]] may have a place too

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Did you not see the few X spell kill player cards?

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And the payoff is on upkeep win

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as in value rather than top deck a win con

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burning all the treasure go against keeping 30 upkeep trigger

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Ah

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Ideas then?

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so it is technically right to call a win-con the payoff but i would diffrenciate them here

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i am going to sleep since i have to wake up early tmw, can look for those card names later

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most of them will have artifact in the oracle ruling text

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i think nykdos is weaker since most arent going to have devotion

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[[Grind station]]?

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could happen, holding that at someone thoat can be scary, although it doesnt help your side since you dont want to mill yourself

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💤 💤 💤

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Today i played my firat game with AO, and came to realise that i might need a second way of getting instants back from the graveyard

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yeah either dont try to get them back as a one off or you need more ways to get things back than the codex shreeder

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1/90 is very reliable

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3/99 is like the bare minium to see a card in a game and then roughly go up by multiples of 3s

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i am still trying to figure out the ratio for B1-B2 secret commander, how many tutors do i really need if my commander cant search for it

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or if i has to work around any special rules 0 interactions

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i dont exactly believe in doing nethynem as a pesudo legendary just because they are the first 4 colour identity cycle

deft belfry
# wicked gust Thoughts?

[[mycosynth lattice]] cut, sword of X & Y is iffy without invasion and other than treasure production there arent really enough sorcery instant to copy other than burn, i may go with reveberate instead

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[[inferno of star mount]] looks fun but i dont see the synergy without +1 counters or power modifying abilities

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at 19 power you can basically kill a player at instant speed (or whatever #ofTurn times mana needed to reach 20 )

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ifs nice to have the win con of 30 treasures in the commander zone, but normally its too high to reach without being hold back by the table. So i think treasure is more like a temporary ramp and only when there are no better options do you want to hold onto all the unused stored up mana

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the reason why i wouldnt play micsyn is because even if i ignore how much it makes my lands die to artifact removal, it doesnt give enough additional artifact etb for extra trigger abilities

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dont need mana fixing in mono red

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artifact type-line may speed up getting to 20/30 artifact but at a much greater risk at losing more

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it makes about 6-10 more artifact yet only works if both knuckle and micsyn arent answered before the upkeep

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[[hamster ball]][[myr battlesphere]]

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No card found for “hamster ball”

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less artifact but more utility

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low risk more value

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[[reckless endeavor]] fun big spell, has a chance of wiping yourself especially if copied

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although keeping protection from sorcery would be the upside here

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i just havent really seen too many decks that can make use of that sword simply because it is expensive $ and doesnt give combat evasion

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and most equipment decks dont have enough spells for the copy

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it does feels bad how commanders plate doesnt give the protection for your own colour which is the most needed from burn

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is [[molten gate keeper]] in the 99

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i am whatever on [[pain distributor]]] but for some reason i really like [[sardian avenger]]

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probably because the combination of first strike trample and i love deathtouch with it

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i want to give my opponent the choice of blocking even when it doesnt work

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i didnt even realize the 2nd line of text is word to word identical til now

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whenever my commander has trample, i try to play [[basilisk collar]] for the Dt synergy

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technically less mana than the unblockable piece unless you are using [[brotherhood regalia]] another over priced protection + evasion

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collar also opens up to red-mass burn creature synergy if you find any

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Not sure how useful [[rolling hampsterball]] is here as it doesn't make artifacta

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[[Rolling hamsphere]]

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that one i forgot the wording

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i only recall that it is a throwball to myrbattlesphere but not the details in the text

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Odds are I'd have a lot of mana

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or if used with equipment each power reduce 1 mana

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Fair

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and if detach equipment

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power drops

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fire breath again, back to 20

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Not sure on myr battlesphere either less I have ways to bli k it which I dont

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it is 7 mana 5 artifact

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that burns on attack or leave bodies for blocks

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Truw

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ideally there are ways to get the best card in the deck imo probably proface breaker becoz sac treasure impulse draw

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the most insane 3 drop that can do that

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i think if i have to lose treasures, card draw > win con > ramp/burn > recreate more treasures

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Tbf Inferno is still a good card and even if I can't fully pump it up its stil worth keeping in the deck

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its fine

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at worst it is a big flyer

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and nothing say you have to one shot someone with it

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more turns = more flying damage from base power

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Exactly

deft belfry
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pump to 20 is just 40 life exact

wicked gust
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Ye

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Not sure what I'd cut to get it back to 100

deft belfry
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as long as you think you have enough draw

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i put draw above win con mainly becoz its mono red

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did you cut micsyn already?

wicked gust
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Ye

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i was going to find a cut in treasure production

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Atm 9 reg draw 3 impulse

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12 total

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if i am hungry for mana, i am always aimming for [[mana geysar]] instead of jumping through the hoops for token generator

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wicked gust
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Fair

deft belfry
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how much of those draw are repeatible ...

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One sec

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replacing itself is cantrip, not real draw

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5 repeat reg 1 impulse style repeat

deft belfry
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hmm

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Repeat draw in mono red is kinda tough

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it sure is

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i havent really tried playing mono red/mono white budget cause of that

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Lol I have a silly mono white deck I love

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and i am one of the first to cut [[endless altas]] 😅 just so i can fit in more fun stuff

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see, i cant even remember what the card draw card is called

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red deck win philosophy, either every card is efficient at doing what it does or prepare to suffer when going hellbent

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Endless Atlas is always good though

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Especially in mono

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[[endless atlas]]

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Decided to cut commanders plate and lavaspur boots. I own a few copies of Brotherhood regalia

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Didn't know its $10

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oh lol

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i only ever need one but i know i would cut it out for being too generic so i doubt i want to spend more than $5 for a non-thematic card

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i have many decks that can do better with swiftfoot boot and/or greaves, yet almost none of them have both in the deck. The closer i have is lavaspur + swiftfoot because i need haste outside of red

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if i have [[crptholith rite]] maybe greaves would be stronger

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No card found for “crptholith rite”

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[[cryptolith rite]]

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that was like 2 letters off comon bot

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btw, i cant put my finger on it, but the red hyper focus on one thing is sort of like the duo-card-type in [[rendmaw, creaking nest]] , where having [[primal vigor]] end up generating more value

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so at some point, it is not as important to have all synergistic/ redundant pieces but rather haymaker doubler of some sort

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i guess for treasures the obvious one is just [[xorn]]

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the polical aspect would be that, getting so much treasure value will draw some attention as knuckle keep added up the small commander damage. it's hard to be "friendliest" one at table even when behind

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[[connect the dot]] untested red draw

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EACH attacking creature can become cards

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make more sense with goblin tribal tho

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dont really think [[planar lens]] belongs

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in a [[zell dincht]] deck would makes more sense

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if doesnt hurt, just also dont provide much more, but is okay

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in any basic land mana base

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certainly cheaper than all duo lands

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[[Fire Nation Turret]] so good so $$$

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Hey @deft belfry! One of my favorite decks, if not my most favorite. 🙂 I need your brain and look to see things I may have missed. I've had this deck for years, and keep messing with it. I know I need more interaction and it's been proven to me over and over again as I usually ALWAYS have a WUBRG card (or 2) in my hand so I should most likely cut the worst ones. https://archidekt.com/decks/13028638/wubrg_o_plenty Cards I would like to add are below. 🙂 Oh.. I really want to keep as many WUBRG spells as possible. Maybe not the best idea, but something I really want. 🙂

Archidekt
WUBRG o' plenty • (WUBRG Commander deck) • Archidekt

Jenson Carthalion, Druid Exile - Commander deck
Multicolor Matters
(1) Commander • (10) Artifact • (1) Battle • (33) Creature • (9) Enchantment • (4) Instant • (40) Land • (1) Planeswalker • (1) Sorcery
Needs more lands as on 9/8/25
Maybe needs less Forest. 1/5/26. I will keep checking.
Amount of WUBRG spells seems good.

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[[Aragorn, the Uniter]] so much value even though not WUBRG

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[[Biomancer's Familiar]] Reduce Jenson's ability, [[Infinite Guideline Station]] can use my vigilance angels to station it and get draws

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/219/infinite-guideline-station

Infinite Guideline Station <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
When Infinite Guideline Station enters, create a tapped 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token for each multicolored permanent you control.
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 12+.)
12+ | Flying
Whenever Infinite Guideline Station attacks, draw a card for each multicolored permanent you control.
7/15

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[[Professor Hojo]] more jenson reduction, [[Training Grounds]] jenson reduction.. Oh wait, maybe professor hojo won't work because jensons ability is not targeting any other creature?

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maybe [[last stand]] with leyline, [[prismatic omen]], and possibly [[Dryad of the Ilysian Grove]].

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https://scryfall.com/card/pca/100/last-stand

Last Stand <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target opponent loses 2 life for each Swamp you control. Last Stand deals damage to target creature equal to the number of Mountains you control. Create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token for each Forest you control. You gain 2 life for each Plains you control. Draw a card for each Island you control, then discard that many cards.

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It's a bracket 3 so staying away from [[Colation victory]]. also maybe add [[moonveil regent]] and I don't think [[Widespread Thieving]] is worth it but need to throw it out there.

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Maybe this is the deck I need to put [[omniscience]] in? Do I draw enough to make it worth it? Also, do you think I should take out [[freed from the real]] because of the combo with a few cards?

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well, if only there is something worth copying i would say this card but i am really saying it because i just want to mention it [[Tempt with Mayhem]] XD

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i looked at the B4 zimone deck above and i think it only make sense to cut certain combo (for example, [[isochron scepter]] [[dramatic reversal]] infinite in a land matte deck?) so there are room to actually run lands + zimone synergy that cares about flip and stuff. there are some insane manifest cards that is included in the precon. and thining out basic lands will get to the key cards in the deck faster and thus have the classic simic value win con. the the deck owner may not even see this but good luck

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i think this mana base is overkilled even for 5 colour deck

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can add [[sissay wetherlight captain]] + [[derevi empyrial tactician]]

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a 7/7 sissay can basically search for any creature and [[timeless lotus]]

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so chromatic lantern is really not needed

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commander itself has enough fixing so i may not even do chromatic orrery but that one is at least an insane ramp card

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with land base ramp and fixing (including jenson carthalion), fellwarstone is unnecessary

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roughgirl-math is that, if you have 3 (out of 5) lands that taps for any or roughly 3 of your colours, as long as your last two lands is not tapping for the exact same mana, you usually have WUBRG mana already, and is not even an issue when the commander can turn colourless into 5 colours

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so half of those mono colour mana stuff can be replaced

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esika(back side bridge) bloomtender/ whatever mention any colour can probably stay if it has enough synergy

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i am meh on the ornithopter here when there is already BoP arguablly unecessary turn 1 ramp but its not like T1 has something better to do

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training ground easy include

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swap [[sphinx of guildpact]] for the upgrade [[niv mizz supreme]] unless you really want non lengendary

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deft belfry
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[[ba sing sa]] can turn itself and [[crystal quarry]] into creature for the training ground reduction

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/266/ba-sing-se

Ba Sing Se

Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a basic land.
manat: Add manag.
mana2manag, manat: Earthbend 2. Activate only as a sorcery. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put two +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)

deft belfry
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in additional to the fetch land earthbend value engine

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and since you want more 5c cards, more lands than you need is just wasting a slot

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i would like to know exactly how many 5cmc/5 colour creature you really want to/need to keep
makes the curve of the deck more clear

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rn there are some typal cards but not much synergy

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[[thousand year elixir]] can become ramp with the right creature

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deft belfry
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[[esika and inga ]] easy mana fixing and ramp with extra value

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[[Avatar Aang ]]] newer card idk how this one plays out but is at least draw on attack and a 4/4 flyer, the transform part is hard

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https://scryfall.com/card/tla/207/avatar-aang-aang-master-of-elements

Avatar Aang <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Ally
Flying, firebending 2
Whenever you waterbend, earthbend, firebend, or airbend, draw a card. Then if you've done all four this turn, transform Avatar Aang.
When the world needed him most, the Avatar returned.
4/4

Aang, Master of Elements
Legendary Creature — Avatar Ally
Flying
Spells you cast cost manawmanaumanabmanarmanag less to cast. (This can reduce generic costs.)
At the beginning of each upkeep, you may transform Aang, Master of Elements. If you do, you gain 4 life, draw four cards, put four +1/+1 counters on him, and he deals 4 damage to each opponent.
6/6

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wicked gust
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[[zaxara the exemplary]][[dryad of the ilysuan grove]][[Agatha of the Vile Cauldron]][[Thoughtweft Gambit]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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[[tomb of guildpact]][[relic of legend]][[power [[worn shaku]][[mox amber]]
[[the mana rig]][[glarb calamity s augur]]

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No card found for “tomb of guildpact”

deft belfry
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[[tome of guildpact]]

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deft belfry
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oops copy pasted same thing twice

deft belfry
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4 mana 4/4 flier that draws on attack

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dryad is one of the few mono colour fix + land synergy i would use other than cobra/ tap for any colour

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i wouldnt use all of those mana rocks but they are somewhat interchangeable

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shouldnt need more than 10 artifact for ramping, maybe other ones for utility

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55-60 non-multicoloured sources is more than enough

deft belfry
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the way i see fetch land beyond mana fixing is that, it also thins out the 99 by 1 each, as if you "drew" a card

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so it becomes counterintuitive to add extra lands when it is there to reduce land count in that sense (take that part with a grind of salt because not all the math checks out)

empty bison
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Ahhh I love all the advice! I totally agree as the fetches purpose is ONLY to grab another land. Maybe you get lucky and have dryad or prismatic omen out but you can't rely on that.

deft belfry
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yeah, some people do mana base first, i do the interesting cards first and then cut down to fit more lands

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if only Mtg doesnt need lands

empty bison
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For sure

deft belfry
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i think i never run more than 40 lands (before MDFCs existed) because at some point i rather draw spells/ramp / or just more draws

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ofc thats not the case if i rather draw land in like landfall deck, which i had up to 55 lands at the highest point (Probably overkill) but i can recast my commander 5 more times without an issue with that commander tax

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my personal rule of thumb is 35+/-2

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so as low as 33 or as high as 37 is where i feel comfortable with opening and later topdecks, this doesnt include MDFCs since i more often count them as spells

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and doesnt take account of mana ramp, deck strategy, focus etc

empty bison
deft belfry
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iirc, the average curve of Ivy is like 1.3 or something or CEDH has so much extra fast mana/ritual effect or costless cards

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so thats when they go to like 25-30 lands and somehow make it work

empty bison
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Yeah, good ol cEDH

deft belfry
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yeah as much as i hate cutting lands from a precon, almost every precon had too many basics

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any questions or comment about the cards posted? tome of guildpact is a powerhouse in my 5c niv mizz deck(s) , trying to make more variation of it. with untapper and anything that replace its own mana, it kinda storm off hard

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finding the deck curve, and then even out that balance between ramp and lands, my best guess is probably 40 land source and 12ish ramp source for yours

empty bison
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I'll take a deeper look tonight or tomorrow after work when I can focus correctly and analyze. 🙂

deft belfry
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make a 2nd version so you can compare b4 after

empty bison
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Ahhhh perfect idea

deft belfry
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i will probably make a copy as well

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i got a copy of that commadner but never actually used it

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probably going in the 99 of something

empty bison
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When you say 40 land source, you mean 40 lands total?

deft belfry
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lands that gets to a land that can make mana, so i would count fetches and yavimaya but not a glacial / dark depth

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thats also without counting MDFC since those makes my numbers go bler

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[[maze of ith]] when someone thought their land count is higher than they think XD

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deft belfry
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i dont see the need of arcane signet here; high curve eldarzis, land ramp, land synergy, etc even if there is an [[all is dust]] it doesnt affect green, but all the artifact removal can. if there are any non-creature synergy, ramp spell can trigger those as well

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deft belfry
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and even worst, that is something that cannot make colourlesss mana which eldrazi do care about

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so in this case it is worse than a though vessal/mindstone

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i would just do skyshroud claim + nature lore 3 visit etc to get the full value of the [[!planar lens]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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since i dont have card i can only play [[caged sun]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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which is ofc extra synergy with ashaya combo machine

wicked gust
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elves that taps for 2 or more mana

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green has more sol rings than other colours

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idk what eldrazi you will draw off the top, but a 12 drop eldrazi on like T5/T6 is nothing for green ramp decks

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all the [[sissay ring]] effect is giving more mana at the cost of 1 card when there is green

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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XD that worked

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Lol

deft belfry
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[[reliquary tower]] doesnt seems that good here

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wicked gust
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So go ham on the land ramp

deft belfry
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i mean, if its eldrazis big stompy Timmy win con

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why not

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rather it dies on board than have it stuck in hand

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and since commander can cast creatures off the top, having creature ramp is arguable the best choice, but i think land ramp is safer even if there isnt a planar lens

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and i dont want all the 1 drop mana dorks anyways, doesnt offer enough value

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[[arbor elves]] maybe the one exception

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No card found for “arbor elves”

deft belfry
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[[arbor elf]]

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wicked gust
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True

deft belfry
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the fake mana dork and there is a [[overgrown]] effect that cares about elves on board

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deft belfry
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i think it is all fields? no just your own

wicked gust
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Wrong card

deft belfry
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i dont remember its name

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has elvish or something in it

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is 3 mana, enchanted land gives more manag equal to elves

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i have no issue playing a green [[worn power stone]] especially if i can put it on an indestructible land or just a forest which i can untap

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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but overall baisc (snow) forest > land ramp/cycle > utility lands

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not a big fan of [[spawling bed]] in an actual eldrazi deck

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i guess for the tapped mana rock you can argue it is more synergy with [[echoing eternity]]

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No card found for “echoing eternity”

deft belfry
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[[echo of eternity]]

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deft belfry
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but i wouldnt focus too hard in that in the 99 and with it out, whatever colourless trigger and spells you cast is going to be overkill

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if the utility from a utility land doesnt matter, a waste may do more work

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basics are easier to search afterall

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[[myraid landscape]] cannot but [[blighted woodland]] can

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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because they ramp, they are ranked higher than utility lands in my book

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neither are exactly efficient though

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altarnative to green utility lands, any token doubler effect adds synergy to spawns

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instead of using eladomri 's tap ability, and use any [[cryptlith rite]] effect for extra mana

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deft belfry
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and or greaves for mana and then sac spawn cast eldrazi to attack

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without token doubler, i dislike [[skittering invasion]] as a sorcery ritual that needs to untap with, get stuck on top deck

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i dont think greaves is important enough of a add as of now

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because it may end up cutting weaker cards such as [[it of horrid swarm]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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also trying to play it once myself

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emerge sucks tho XD, when nothing has that same mana cost for a "nearly free" 4/4 two 1/1s

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speaking of the doubling, its important to remember creating tokens is not the same as copying a permanent spell so that token that enters isnt created

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[[parrellel lives]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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note that the [[primal vigor]] you have affect your opponent too and without +1 counter synergy it can be a big drawback

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i plan on using it with [[vazi keen negiotiator]] since i suck at politicking

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/92/vazi-keen-negotiator

Vazi, Keen Negotiator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Haste
manat: Target opponent creates X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of Treasure tokens you created this turn.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell or activates an ability, if mana from a Treasure was spent to cast it or activate it, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature, then draw a card.
3/3

deft belfry
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oh and green do have haste [[install energy]] almost forgot this card in right in front of me

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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only for attack haste

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but good block with beefy spagetti monster

wicked gust
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[[Circle of moon druid]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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?

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Wait no wrong one

deft belfry
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[[awaken the woods]] the better "spawns ritual" spell

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Ah

deft belfry
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cost 3 green

wicked gust
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[[Llanawar tribe]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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or is it a druid

wicked gust
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I was thinking the rare from the dnd set thats a gaeas Cradle creature

deft belfry
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oh that

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there is a devotion one but not fitting in here

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but i know what you are talking about

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your bulk box probly have it all

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the $40k-bulk-box

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and turns out i did remember the name correctly [[elvish guidance]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i plan on using that one with my janky [[!omo queen of vesuva]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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**opponent's elves ** 👀

storm fox
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commander damage is a threat as well apparently

deft belfry
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ofc, flying is deadly lol

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and the red one is 4 cmc too

storm fox
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or the mirrorpool combo also works effectively

deft belfry
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nice, that one looked really good on paper

storm fox
deft belfry
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dislike green huh

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i am looking at all the simic value legendaries XD [[journey to the oracle]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/151/jadzi-oracle-of-arcavios-journey-to-the-oracle

Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Discard a card: Return Jadzi to its owner's hand.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a nonland card, you may cast it by paying mana1 rather than paying its mana cost. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield.
5/5

Journey to the Oracle mana2managmanag
Sorcery
You may put any number of land cards from your hand onto the battlefield. Then if you control eight or more lands, you may discard a card. If you do, return Journey to the Oracle to its owner's hand.
To find Jadzi, one need only wander.

deft belfry
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[[lila hospitality hostess]] should have been like an uncommon for troll

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storm fox
deft belfry
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it was my beginner colour and in commander it allows for so many budget ramp builds so i cant dislike it, but i am always rakdos at heart

storm fox
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well, my first deck was esper...

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i am sorry

deft belfry
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i wish i see someone playing [[rashmi eternities crafter]] in local, its so unpopular

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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👀

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my archenemy Blue white Mage

storm fox
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but with black, cuz azorius wasnt abnoxious enough

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or smthing

deft belfry
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make sense why you started with white landfall -> blue thief clones -> black reanimate in that order

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my hatre is mostly toward white because i cant stand those who act like they are on the moral high ground XD

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"If you are an asshole at least be honest about it" is how i see the fake "group hug" decks

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in the right match up group-hug can be so fun for the table tho

storm fox
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dinner seems to be ready here, so imma get going now, in the meantime i'll think of how i wanna build [[atsuthi the blazing sky]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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oh ok, i am just getting lunch

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ramp, [[light up the stage]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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kinda got a [[speed demon]] vibe looking at atsushi

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[rising of the days]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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red-deck wins strategy, throw your hands til they bleed to death or you run out of hands

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not sure how to make it stands out as a unique mono colour deck

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because [[reckless impulse]] for 2 is really not that strong over 3 mana

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[season of bold]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/152/season-of-the-bold

Season of the Bold <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose up to five manap worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
manap — Create a tapped Treasure token.
manapmanap — Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play them.
manapmanapmanap — Until the end of your next turn, whenever you cast a spell, Season of the Bold deals 2 damage to up to one target creature.

deft belfry
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treasures and recasting atsushi would just basically covers the tax

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card advantage and card selection, cannot play every impulsed card and therefore only the half that matters should be played

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[[creative techique]]? maybe

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[reinteration]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “reinteration”

deft belfry
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[[reiteration]]

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No card found for “tempted with mayham”

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No card found for “tempted mayhem”

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No card found for “tempt of mayhem”

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No card found for “bazren cannonade”

deft belfry
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attack, sac, burn, impulse, land

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[[brazen cannonade]]

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
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im back now

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came up with some ideas i think

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i could go treasures, (also saw it metioned above)

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voltron with equipment maybe?
but like the most jank equipment i can find

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or i could throw in an old combo with splinter twin

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i like the idea of very janky and never used equipment the most i think (can maybe weave treasures within that theme somehow?)

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also indestructible lands and [[cleansing worldfire]] for ramp

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
storm fox
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i might just lean a lot into treasures

storm fox
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because just looking through all the exsisting equipments reminds me of why i haven't build a dedicated artifact deck yet.

deft belfry
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one of my favourite sword in erms of simplicity and flavour is [[sword of war and peace]] easy to understand and remember its text, and as someone who hate mono white target creature exile its my ideal protection while as the red player i can prevent my own burn. But in game play, both red and white are the least popular?maybe colour in the random pod so its often the worst of the swords for both protection and burn/life gain utility [[basilisk collar]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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but yeah, anything that is going for mono red/white or boros usuallly feels super generic

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i think dana the hipster from EDHrec has a mono blue 7 drop voltron commander, as well as blue white partner equipment so those might be worth looking at since they are your colours

storm fox
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i just keep switching themes here, but what if i just go for a lot of creatures that copy other creatures, give them haste and just swing with them?

deft belfry
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very red thing to do, but legendary dies before they swing?

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with loyrn coming out most of my focus is on vivid/colours and elementals-similar typal synergy

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if you dont know what you are looking for in red, may want to do a treasure one and another around impulse red value to see what fits better

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cleansing wildfire thing is definitely a niche way to ramp because its like a 2 card combo in the 99; which often need to draw 30 + cards to have any chance of seeing one

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i have yet to even pull off blastphemous art and stuffydoll burn and i have like 3 copies of that in rakdos

storm fox
deft belfry
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ah ok

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[[fiery emancipation]] + brash taunter the dream combo

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
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[[brash taunter]]

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
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that's a lot of damage

deft belfry
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black aslo has one that suspect itself (cant block) but is life lost so it can take extra damage but dmg it deals doesnt triple

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if i fight a 5 power creature on my side, i can triple that to 15 damage onto brash which then one shot for 45

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its like green doing move counters around but with hardened scale essentially doubling up counters, follow with proliferate

storm fox
deft belfry
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that atsushi art looks too much like the Chinese new year dragon it makes me want to turn it into a "Pass out the lucky money" treasure deck

storm fox
deft belfry
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[[there and back again]] tokens takes so long to get to

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/151/there-and-back-again

There and Back Again <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Up to one target creature can't block for as long as you control this Saga. The Ring tempts you.
II — Search your library for a Mountain card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
III — Create Smaug, a legendary 6/6 red Dragon creature token with flying, haste, and "When Smaug dies, create fourteen Treasure tokens."

deft belfry
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otherwise smaug token = 14 untapped treasures

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chapter is ramp but very slow

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recent spiderman red card has [[maximum carnage]] still want to find a local copy

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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ehhh all the ritaul/ramp is 5+ mana

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hard to make use of [[deathrender]] with low creature count

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i tried [[rapacious one]] in a deck but couldnt really draw it most games

storm fox
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its kinda like my budget "Red treasure" on damage

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true, your curve is still on the low side

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[[$cascading cataracts]] must have really dropped in price

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/202/cascading-cataracts

Prices for Cascading Cataracts
Edge of Eternities: Stellar Sights

$2.50 • €1.11 • 0.02 TIX

Edge of Eternities: Stellar Sights

$3.00 • €2.14 • 0.62 TIX

Edge of Eternities: Stellar Sights

$16.87 • €13.84 • 0.02 TIX

Edge of Eternities: Stellar Sights

$18.61 • €17.07 • 0.02 TIX

Modern Horizons 3 Commander

$1.72 • €0.86 • 0.02 TIX

Dominaria United Commander

$1.43 • €1.01 • 0.33 TIX

Magic Online Promos

0.37 TIX

Amonkhet Promos

$5.43 • €4.16

Amonkhet

$1.61 • €1.20 • 0.02 TIX

deft belfry
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or still $5 CAD...

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ig it is reprinted in EoE

storm fox
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[[cascading cataracts]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its in your deck

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as the second indestructible land

storm fox
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yeah, i saw indestructible land and just added it, didn't look at its name....

deft belfry
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i did find myself a foreign [[urza's cave]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if i still have my [[zirda, dawn]] commander deck it would be a easy include

storm fox
shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/233/zirda-the-dawnwaker

Zirda, the Dawnwaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manarw:292901508834525190><:manarw:292901508834525190>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for mana3 as a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost mana2 less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
mana1, manat: Target creature can't block this turn.
3/3

deft belfry
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i think its a nice upgrade but its really just a generic "cycling" land

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as long as colour pips doesnt matter, may even be worth in a 5c deck, which can search for [[the world tree]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/khm/275/the-world-tree

The World Tree

Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manag.
As long as you control six or more lands, lands you control have "manat: Add one mana of any color."
manawmanawmanaumanaumanabmanabmanarmanarmanagmanag, manat, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for any number of God cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

deft belfry
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@jagged pasture did we both forget this card or was it in there lol

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anyways a few cantrip in red is worth it

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esp when atsushi comes with flying trample, anything that boots that power to threaten for damage lethal

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which zada hedron grinder's page would have all of them i assume

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[[geomancer's gambit]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[Summon: G.F.]] go pick yourself a GF, FF came with some nice ones

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match “Summon: G.F.”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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is [[G.F. ifrit]] a good one, idr which one is which

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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"Not Bad"

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does have two chapter of mana ritual

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[[violent urge]][[soul of power]][[self destruct]] not sure what are good spell slinging things to do in red since most just doesnt draw cards

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “soul of power”

deft belfry
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[[agitator ant]] basically a 4/4

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[bolt bend]] protection turn removal

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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those are just generic cards lying across my desk i see

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oh, the precon card draw [[furious rise]]

shrewd zealotBOT
storm fox
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i like that agitator ant

deft belfry
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yeah, its a weird one when played

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because it can buff everyone at the table by up to 8 powers and those are not going to come at you

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and a repeatable pump on a pesudo unblockable commander do look decent

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i think the most default equipment for me is still hero's blade

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nothing crazy but just raw value, even when recasting commander, never have to pay equip cost

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7 power exactly 3 hits for lethal

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generic but works

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if i am building this deck, i would be doing

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[[gingerbrute]][[[ahmokhet raceway]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “ahmokhet raceway”

deft belfry
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[[mugar raceway]][[amonkhet raceway]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “mugar raceway”

deft belfry
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screw it, basically 'card game on motercycle'

storm fox
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these?

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deft belfry
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ohhhh, [[Summon: Brynhildr]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/160/summon:-brynhildr

Summon: Brynhildr <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Saga Knight
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Chain — Exile the top card of your library. During any turn you put a lore counter on this Saga, you may play that card.
II, III — Gestalt Mode — When you next cast a creature spell this turn, it gains haste until end of turn.
A name in blood, a pact of flame.
2/1

deft belfry
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and i just realized you have been running this in any builds [[the masamune]]

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