so i can see keeping counterspell for the universal counter and "upgrades" for "weaker" ones
#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
deft belfry
as always, removal is the most flexible in the 99. One for one with no direct synergy but will alter the outcome of the game if done right.
At certain point, running 15+ target removal... i may as well run boardwipe tribal and make the table miserable at that point
roughly 13+ boardwipe in a deck rather than trading one for one
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Creature — Giant
Beanstalk Giant's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
*/*
Fertile Footsteps 
Sorcery — Adventure
Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)
deft belfry
or is that cheating the "non creature" part
wheat marsh
No, not really depents on the Situation
deft belfry
i usually see it in that companion hippo deck the most
quaint linden
Yo
Any way to make the turtle atk higher while in the deck?
deft belfry
creature cards arent the same as creature permanents
you cannot change the power on creatures in the deck
maybe there are silver boarder cards that does that
deft belfry
@silk cairn okay it wasnt a conversation with you
@silk cairn this is the conversation and deck discussion
since the choice is on the opponent, they will pay attention to you hand size and more willing to "give free stuff" than to discard their own hand
the order part is something didnt check, do you put things in after each choices or after all 3 choices have been made
silk cairn
Yeah. so playing both cards that work with discarting and having a few bombs help
deft belfry
hand size going down in the middle of resolving is tough
if it is after, i would just pretend i always have at least 2 big things in my hand. after my opponent give me a free drop, i would put a card from hand face down between my lands, as if i am about to play it
and try to save the best in hand as long as possible
when it resolve, pick up the cards; whiff and play nothing XD
silk cairn
Yeah, I'll think about it. He's a distant 5th commander to build anyway
silk cairn
[[Kefka Court Mage]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5
Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7
deft belfry
oh right, did it hold well
resources denial draws salt but can be very powerful against lot of decks
silk cairn
It hasnt arrived yet. Both it and the Bello will arrive together
deft belfry
like a second bello?
i would just use the same commander but diff 99
meanwhile i am looking at my [[spinerock knoll]] forgot why i got this card and not sure which deck to put it in 😅
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Land
Hideaway 4 (When this land enters, look at the top four cards of your library, exile one face down, then put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
This land enters tapped.
: Add 
.
, : You may play the exiled card without paying its mana cost if an opponent was dealt 7 or more damage this turn.
deft belfry
@idle swift i will let you know when i find the otag
deft belfry
[[footbottom feast]] [[forever young]] [[gravepurge]] [[haunted crossroads]]
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Enchantment
: Put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
It seemed as if no one wanted them to reach the Henge of Ramos—not even the dead.
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[[haill of heliod's generosity]] [[mortuary]][[mortuary mire]] [[pulmonic liver]]
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Legendary Land
: Add 
.
, : Put target enchantment card from your graveyard on top of your library.
The stronghold of Theros's light.
Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, you may put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
: Add .
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[[reinforcement]][[unholy grotto]][[volrath's stronghold]]
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Card
(Theme color: )
Land
: Add .
, : Put target Zombie card from your graveyard on top of your library.
Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
The seed of a world's evil.
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Land — Plains
(: Add .)
This land enters tapped.
, : Put target card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. Activate only if you control two or more white permanents.
deft belfry
[[Rebuild]] 🤔
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Instant
Return all artifacts to their owners' hands.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
The first step in any artificer's scheme is to take inventory.
gleaming storm
Hey! I'm updating the jabari list we've discussed some time ago. What do you think of this landbase? https://moxfield.com/decks/caFdfT1tn0aX83qgbgwJ3g
deft belfry
once you go to fetch and shocks, there s very little room for more; i dont think it is necessary but its not like it makes most decks worst unless you need a high life total
i dont see the triome here if thats the last one missing
my preference is usually lower budget and more utility rather than efficiencies
the same way i dont know any decks that really benefits from [[bad land]] when it isnt the highest power
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Land — Swamp Mountain
(: Add or .)
gleaming storm
my preference is usually lower budget and more utility rather than efficiencies
Thanks! You mean lower budget and more efficient then what I'm doing or more like you dont suggest og dual lands bc of the price
deft belfry
fetch, shock, triomes are more than expensive enough and gives like few % increase in value that is hardly noticeable
i think its like Bracket 4 range where it matters more
i have a 5 colour deck that basically doesnt have 1 drop spells that impact my game plan; so the one untapped land alone doesnt offer much in return
i would basically play my tapped lands as early as possible, and try to keep 2 open mana (second land enters untapped) so i have responses. which then go back to playing taps until i get my engine going.
deft belfry
Thanks! You mean lower budget and more efficient then what I'm doing or more lik...
was that quesiton? lol. i think it is not need to run a working "engine" with premium "fuel" if I can use regular ones instead; until i am competeting at the point where I need the extra bit of boost to close out a neck to neck race
and OG dual is the high end of that argument
which then leans into the power level discussion
gleaming storm
Oh I didnt respond srry. Yeah I understand your reasoning 👍
deft belfry
Np i didnt know if you read it, thats all
i have played with nearly 30 basics (in a 3 colour deck*) and as long as the deck draws enough cards
the mana bases hardly matters at a certain power level
deft belfry
[[Meltstrider Eulogist]][[Insidious Dreams ]] hmmm
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/283/hall-of-heliods-generosity
@silk cairn like this one ?
hard to keep something in grave
if the plan is to reanimate
deft belfry
@surreal agate if you want to ask me about any cards, welcome to do it in my thread
rn my top suggestions are creatures (to place counters) and overlap with ramp
surreal agate
https://archidekt.com/decks/88461/the_phyrexian_undead
lemme just put this here for posterity's sake
deft belfry
with proliferate, i especially like -1 counters just to slowly kill opponents creatures
but the demon cares about discard so it may not have a fit
surreal agate
what are your thoughts on [[Crystalline Crawler]] and/or [[Pentad Prism]]?
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Converge — This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Add one mana of any color.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
1/1
deft belfry
[[sower of temptation]] not a counter synergy but can give two creatures to put counters on
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deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/133/crystalline-crawler
high initial cost, potentially mana payback, not great if it dies and end up with few counters
but for ramp + proliferate
makes some spells free/nearly free
that part could be nice
surreal agate
I also figure it'll stick around at least a bit with Marchesa even if you have to put more counters on afterward cuz Sunburst won't work
deft belfry
the prism will always need at least 1 counter, i think the potential is there
you can sunburst on cast
with off colour identity lands, those can make the 4th mana
rare but not impossible
surreal agate
yeah sunburst works on cast, but I don't think it'll work on the return w/ Marchesa
surreal agate
it probably won't be as big a deal if I can get more counters on afterwards but still
deft belfry
[[baleful strix]] do you want those value
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surreal agate
would [[Satoru, the Infiltrator]] be better?
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surreal agate
cuz it'll trigger off each creature returning each turn
deft belfry
oh eyah thats nice
surreal agate
I'd say same with River Kelpie but that's also a matter of the mana cost being worth it
deft belfry
thats the [[river kelpie]] on steoriods
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deft belfry
exactly my thoughts
surreal agate
should I invest in a couple of Incubate keyword cards?
[[Compleated Huntmaster]] comes to mind
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Creature — Phyrexian Elf Warrior
, , Sacrifice another creature or artifact: Incubate 3. (Create an Incubator token with three +1/+1 counters on it and ": Transform this token." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
The elves of Lorwyn sought perfection. The Etched Host supplied it.
2/3
deft belfry
nothing that stands out off my head from incubators
they are tokens too so proliferate works but
need more mana to flip etc
if there are enough wizards [[sage of fables]] is nice
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Each other Wizard creature you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from a creature you control: Draw a card.
2/2
deft belfry
with free sac fodders[[braids arisen nightmare]] is nice
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surreal agate
I don't have enough Wizards but maybe [[Gev, Scaled Scorch]] would work?
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deft belfry
i never really considered this one before, but there are lot of random blood artist effect in the game now like [[marionette apprentice]] [[sephiro, ]]
surreal agate
the lizard part isn't important but still
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/blb/214/gev-scaled-scorch
potentially, depends on the damage to each opponent
surreal agate
also I'm trying to avoid the smaller aristocrat effects because it feels counterintuitive to what I'm doing
deft belfry
[[voldaren thrilseeker]] this one may interest you
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Creature — Vampire Warrior
Backup 2 (When this creature enters, put two +1/+1 counters on target creature. If that's another creature, it gains the following ability until end of turn.)
, Sacrifice this creature: It deals damage equal to its power to any target.
"The end is always nigh. Let's have some fun!"
1/1
deft belfry
can also be 
3 damage on repeat
surreal agate
yeah I run that one, same with Scorn-Blade Berserker
deft belfry
[[gleeful arsonist]] punishment?
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surreal agate
I was looking at [[Gau]] earlier too
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surreal agate
[[Gau, Feral Youth]]
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deft belfry
this one wont trigger on the end step with marchesa
since it doesnt see anything leave
surreal agate
it'll trigger when anything returns via her ability, those cards will leave the graveyard then
deft belfry
[[nasty end]] if there are enough legends
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deft belfry
the problem with Gau is that
if nothing leaves the graveyard BEFORE the end step
then when the end step starts
it wont trigger
if something NOW leaves the grave
the beginning of the end step has passed
so it is too late to trigger
surreal agate
well hold on, if it checks the trigger on End step, can't you layer the delayed triggers beforehand?
deft belfry
if checks at the beginning but
for IF clauses triggers
they just dont happens if it wasnt fulfilled
surreal agate
dang
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surreal agate
ehh, that's more basic aristocrat stuff
deft belfry
i guess
surreal agate
those don't really do much with Proliferate
surreal agate
there's [[All will be one]] but then I'd most likely want to put the other half of that combo in again
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deft belfry
[[teferi time twist]] to save something from exile
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deft belfry
oh i forgot about this wipe [[wave goodbye]]
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surreal agate
[[Slip out the back]] also works
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deft belfry
yes
[[frostcliff siege]] haste and trample to make use of the +1 counter in combat dmg
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surreal agate
what about [[Anduril, Narsil Reforged]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
Whenever equipped creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control. If you have the city's blessing, put two +1/+1 counters on each creature you control instead.
Equip 
deft belfry
i like the spread of counters for sure
dont know about the equip cost
looks very high and still need an attacker
it looks like a "white go wide" anthem card
surreal agate
it might be more of a later game type of card I guess
what do you think of [[Rikku]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature, until end of turn, that creature can't be blocked by creatures your opponents control.
Steal — , : Move a counter from target creature an opponent controls onto target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Hey, I've got just the thing!"
2/3
deft belfry
[[Metallic Mimic]] human
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deft belfry
i think i want the ramp from [[Solemn Simulacrum]] anyways
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deft belfry
an unkillable [[$dauthi voidwalker]] would be so strong
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deft belfry
what do you think of [[Rikku]]
i think she is perfect for unblockable and moving counters
the hardest part of grixis is no hardened scale
surreal agate
an unkillable [[$dauthi voidwalker]] would be so strong
I feel like at that point, I'd want [[Puppeteer Clique]] instead?
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surreal agate
at least then I could abuse the persist trigger lol
deft belfry
different purpose
puppeteer looks more fun
dauthi shuts down a player that plays grave stuff
surreal agate
what about [[Deadeye Tracker]] then?
deft belfry
metallic can also call wizard
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Creature — Human Pirate
, : Exile two target cards from an opponent's graveyard. This creature explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
1/1
deft belfry
thats interesting, never seen it before
if the top deck part helps, i think the grave hate on it is good
hard to control explore
surreal agate
I was gonna ask about running potential recursion cards
deft belfry
1 drop early creature for counters and prolferate is really good tho
surreal agate
I was thinking [[Vat of Rebirth]] and [[Body Launderer]] in particular
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Artifact
Whenever another artifact or creature you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put an oil counter on this artifact.
, , Remove four oil counters from this artifact: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
my favourite one is probably [[command the dreandhorde]]
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deft belfry
beside living death
surreal agate
I mean I own both
deft belfry
i use living death more as a board wipe
dreadhorde can steal others grave yard
very combat focus if not spamming etb
so anger could be important in those build or [[raise of the day]]
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deft belfry
[[raising of the day]]
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surreal agate
I could throw in OG Urabrask for Flavor? Or even [[Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch]]
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deft belfry
oh yeah i used that in my old build
urbrask i am more picky about since it cost 5
i loved it when i was playing with [[master muliplied]]
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deft belfry
[[master multiplied]]
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deft belfry
so fun to make copies right away and keep blockers down so the 3 toughness can survive too
the 5 mana really matters to the curve of the deck in general
[[Geyadrone Dihada]]
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surreal agate
do I wanna run either [[Dreadhorde Butcher]] or [[Juri, Master of the Revue]]?
deft belfry
butcher looks fine
if it gets to like 3/3 it will probably be a good threat , once it dies tho it resets
its a weird fling on a creature
juri really need the sac outlet to get big
surreal agate
I also forgot I owned [[Eaten Alive]]
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Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature or pay .
Exile target creature or planeswalker.
"If you hear a groaning noise in the cellar, don't investigate. Don't split up. Just lock the door and barricade it." —Emili, guard captain
deft belfry
without tokens i think juri is very limited
its okay, sorcery speed i usually go for boardwipes that is one sided
a few exile in black
[[extinction event]]
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deft belfry
[[nightmare unmaking]]
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deft belfry
i havent played marchesa for too long and idk how much different is your build so those are more so options if you need non destroy board wipes
blue can do all sort of bounce
you can dodge bounce with self sac as well
and blue has more instant speed
thought of a good planeswalker that make tokens
surreal agate
I'm currently running Blasphemous Act and [[Blasphemous Edict]] for my wipes
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Sorcery
You may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost if there are thirteen or more creatures on the battlefield.
Each player sacrifices thirteen creatures of their choice.
"A demonic pact is all fun and games until the bill comes due." —Liliana Vess
surreal agate
and I have the possibility to wipe someone with a stacked Rakdos Riteknife
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surreal agate
not sure if I'm paying that much life for this to be of too much value
deft belfry
the tokens that gets counters
surreal agate
[[Mask of the Schemer]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, it connives X, where X is the amount of damage it dealt to that player. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
Equip
deft belfry
and proliferate for more tokens each turn
that good card selection to dig dip
deep*
surreal agate
[[Nicol Bolas Dragon God]]
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surreal agate
he'd also get the abilities of Vraska if she's also out
deft belfry
i guess
surreal agate
also did we have a consensus on Liliana, Heretical Healer?
surreal agate
yee
like yeah she makes Marchesa redundant but I figure that could be a good thing
deft belfry
i dont know if it matters, because its planeswalker value play
its okay as a creature
i think thats a pet card slot for you
every deck has some room for pet cards
surreal agate
ehh, my pet cards are already Rakdos Riteknife and Lightning Reaver lol
do I wanna throw in either of the mana Altars? I own both
also [[Thran Vigil]] and/or [[Apprentice Necromancer]] (or go for Doomed Necromancer for 1 more mana)
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Creature — Zombie Wizard
, , Sacrifice this creature: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste. At the beginning of the next end step, sacrifice it.
A mage willing to dedicate his life to his craft.
1/1
deft belfry
if you throw those in, i think you need mass token stuff to get the
mana out of them
doom necro i believe dont have haste
app necro give haste which is nice in that aspect but the tap cost mana
if you have other ways to give haste, i would do doom necro
deft belfry
thran works sometimes, just that the deck dont have too many ways to make creature leave, but when you do it (on your turn only) it loops with marchesa's recursion so that part is good
i like to think of the part of the 99 that doesnt need to the commander to work
surreal agate
ok so the deck has 7 slots left btw, what do you think so far
deft belfry
so even if she get countered, the deck isnt dead for a few turns
let me check again was watching vids
ah i just remember the rat that
give poison to ALL players when it enters
with a single proliferate, even if you loop it 9 times, each opponent will die before you do
surreal agate
what about [[Phyresis]]? it doesn't stick around as well but it gets the job done
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deft belfry
with a good hit i think it will work
surreal agate
and/or [[Grafted Exoskeleton]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has infect. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
Whenever Grafted Exoskeleton becomes unattached from a permanent, sacrifice that permanent.
Equip
deft belfry
[[?Grafted Exoskeleton]]
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deft belfry
imo is too high
surreal agate
I could still use 1 more 4-drop, I've got a couple ideas?
deft belfry
curve is looking nice
surreal agate
[[Bloodtracker]]
[[Toothy, Imaginary Friend]]
[[Cormela, Glamour Thief]] (this one's mostly just to reuse some of my other spells)
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Creature — Vampire Wizard
Flying
, Pay 2 life: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
When this creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card for each +1/+1 counter on it.
"Flee all you like. The further you run the more firmly I feel your heartbeat."
2/2
Legendary Creature — Vampire Rogue
Haste
, : Add 
. Spend this mana only to cast instant and/or sorcery spells.
When Cormela dies, return up to one target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
She sees the world as a gift meant for her.
2/4
surreal agate
[[Core Prowler]]
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surreal agate
[[Viral Drake]]
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Creature — Phyrexian Drake
Flying
Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
1/4
surreal agate
not ALL of these ofc but I was wondering if maybe one of these should go in?
deft belfry
dont like the last one since it takes so much mana
prowler looks okay with a good sac outlet, not the best
the first two both looks good since they can get counters on themselves
not sure about cormela since it is very much support for spells
potential repeat on any recursion spell looks nice for sure
[[dreamtide whale
[[!dreamtide whale]]
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deft belfry
did we forget this
surreal agate
running that already
deft belfry
okay i skimmed over it
surreal agate
I looked at [[Lulu, Stern Guardian]] but I kinda thought it was just a slightly cheaper Viral Drake
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever an opponent attacks you, choose target creature attacking you. Put a stun counter on that creature.
: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"If you want everything, you'll end up with nothing."
2/3
deft belfry
trying to see if [[glistening sphre]] is worth
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
When this artifact enters, proliferate.
: Add one mana of any color.
Corrupted — : Add three mana of any one color. Activate only if an opponent has three or more poison counters.
deft belfry
I looked at [[Lulu, Stern Guardian]] but I kinda thought it was just a slightly ...
she is
and stun counters is a good addition here
[[rad storm]]
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deft belfry
i brought this card for myself and have yet to play it since
surreal agate
not sure if I'm storming enough to get enough value
deft belfry
i guess
surreal agate
[[Flux Channeler]] tho?
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deft belfry
anything that reanimate?
surreal agate
not reanimating but what about [[Lost Jitte]]?
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put a charge counter on Lost Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Lost Jitte: Choose one —
• Untap target land.
• Target creature can't block this turn.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
deft belfry
can work, it is generic enough
surreal agate
it can also count as Ramp lol
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Artifact
, Remove a counter from a permanent you control: Choose one —
• Put a charge counter on target artifact.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Never content, vedalken artificers continually tinker with their creations.
deft belfry
if you need other ways to move counters around
this one went up in price from the counters new cards
surreal agate
I'm officially at 100 so I'd need to start finding what to cut if I were to add anything more
deft belfry
yeah, so much potential with counters synergu
synergy
[[gev scorch]] is a card i am not familar with i will do some goldfishing
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deft belfry
have to check if infect falls off if the creature dies
surreal agate
it doesn't
deft belfry
okay, good
surreal agate
I wish the equip cost on [[Mask of Griselbrand]] wasn't 3, I'd use that too
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has flying and lifelink.
Whenever equipped creature dies, you may pay X life, where X is its power. If you do, draw X cards.
Equip
The legacy of evil lives on.
deft belfry
yeah, i looked at it so many times
never managed to put it in any decks
[[whip of erebos]] is too good and i still dont have one
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Legendary Enchantment Artifact
Creatures you control have lifelink.
, : Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
i usually play [[basilisk collar]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch and lifelink. (Any amount of damage it deals to a creature is enough to destroy it. Damage dealt by this creature also causes you to gain that much life.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
you are missing out with the burn
surreal agate
I think it's the exile clause I'm afraid of I guess
deft belfry
red creature that goes hard on burn with/wo double stripe
the life gain will go insane
surreal agate
what do you think of [[Gavel of the Righteous]]?
shrewd zealotBOT
Artifact — Equipment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a charge counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each counter on this Equipment.
As long as this Equipment has four or more counters on it, equipped creature has double strike.
Equip—Pay or remove a counter from this Equipment.
deft belfry
was thats a white card from before
surreal agate
nope, it's brand new from the Jeskai precon
deft belfry
i think this depends on how fast the proliferate goes
or other ways to move charge counters
surreal agate
oh it's from New Capenna I guess
otherwise [[Malefic Scythe]] is one I like to look on
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Artifact — Equipment
This Equipment enters with a soul counter on it.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each soul counter on this Equipment.
Whenever equipped creature dies, put a soul counter on this Equipment.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
surreal agate
and [[Soul Lantern]]
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
deft belfry
yep, i looks familar
surreal agate
not soul lantern hold on
deft belfry
i only own worthless jank like [[bashee's blade]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each charge counter on this Equipment.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put a charge counter on this Equipment.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
surreal agate
[[Ghost Lantern]] is what I'm thinking of
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever a creature you control dies, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
Bind Spirit
Instant — Adventure
Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)
surreal agate
I also own a [[Chainsaw]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 3 damage to up to one target creature.
Whenever one or more creatures die, put a rev counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +X/+0, where X is the number of rev counters on this Equipment.
Equip
deft belfry
there is an equipment that triggers on any creature and artifact "dies"
surreal agate
equip is too expensive tho
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has vigilance.
Whenever another artifact or creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
Tarrian's holy weapon still holds a fragment of his dark power... and his hunger.
deft belfry
its nice because rakdos cant get vigiliance
but it is not a proliferate friendly card
it s a treasure synergy/hate card
turn all the treasure sac into damage against the opponent
i wouldnt want to go too hard on equipments
because they need a target to equip, marchesa is better at dodging removal with her ability but equipments will fall off
so more equipments fits voltron style more
and often have boots / greaves for protection
which red doesnt need for haste most of the time
greave is just easy to fit since it has no equip cost
but it would be a slight nonbo with targetting for the first +1 counter
surreal agate
what are your thoughts on [[Long Range Sensor]]?
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Artifact
Whenever you attack a player, put a charge counter on this artifact.
, Remove two charge counters from this artifact: Discover 4. Activate only as a sorcery. (Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with mana value 4 or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
surreal agate
it's a new card
deft belfry
not too sure, it is kinda chaotic and fun
4 mana for first spell
then 1 more for each after and so on
getting multiple counters is always the hard part
surreal agate
I mean that's what the Proliferate is for 😛
deft belfry
need to attack in multiple directions or consistent proliferate for the payoff
worst case
since it is disvoer and not cascuade
you can reveal a counterspell to put in hand
surreal agate
I just noticed what [[The Fire Crystal]] does, could be worth replacing Exava for?
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Legendary Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control have haste.
, : Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Warriors of Light...Only you can restore hope to the world, for yours is the light that can balance out the darkness..."
deft belfry
getting a random 2 drop is kinda meh at sorcery speed
i prefer exava since it is a guarantee counter on itself
also not many red spell in the deck
like over 5?
surreal agate
11
deft belfry
if you want to go big with spell slinging, it would probably be [[mindsplice apparatus]]
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Artifact
Flash
At the beginning of your upkeep, put an oil counter on this artifact.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast for each oil counter on this artifact.
deft belfry
i see 7 since the one drop cant get the cost reduction
surreal agate
if Exava doesn't work out for me, I was also thinking putting [[Glen Elendra Archmage]] back in
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
, Sacrifice this creature: Counter target noncreature spell.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
2/2
deft belfry
in a deck that doesnt play [[ruby medallion]] i think it is hard to justify fire crystal
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Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
It is the warm glow of the setting sun at journey's end, the scent of the evening meal crackling over a fire, and the cacophony of a raucous song shared over tankards of mead. It is freedom.
deft belfry
if Exava doesn't work out for me, I was also thinking putting [[Glen Elendra Arc...
yeah that thing is broken
[[sage of fable]] with that goes infinite lock
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Each other Wizard creature you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from a creature you control: Draw a card.
2/2
deft belfry
if have U open mana
surreal agate
as for getting my categories sorted, would you consider the self fling creatures as "Targetet Disruption"?
surreal agate
Archmage also goes infinite with Spark Double and any sac outlet
deft belfry
two archmage sounds gross
surreal agate
I'm a bit concerned about my lack of sac outlets rn
deft belfry
i am too
i think i go overboard with sac outlet
you can do the zombie that cant block
surreal agate
Carrion Feeder
deft belfry
it has to do with +1 counters so its on theme
surreal agate
there's also Viscera Seer and a new one from EoE
deft belfry
i think viscera is meh if you dont spam sac
at that point i rather do [[spawning pit]]
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Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Put a charge counter on Spawning Pit.
, Remove two charge counters from Spawning Pit: Create a 2/2 colorless Spawn artifact creature token.
surreal agate
[[Umbral Collar Zealot]]
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deft belfry
yeah that one is nicer with surveil
surreal agate
ok so I wanna put in Carrion Feeder and the Zealot, now what do I take out for them?
deft belfry
[[scorn blae berseerker]] dont seem to important?
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Creature — Human Berserker
Backup 1 (When this creature enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. If that's another creature, it gains the following ability until end of turn.)
, Sacrifice this creature: Draw a card.
"Before I fall, I will taste the blood of Sarulf himself!"
0/1
deft belfry
idk if you can ever cast Ulamog
is that a pet card
need a lot of counters on the mana rocks and draw ulamog
surreal agate
I usually don't have a problem casting him idk
deft belfry
interesting, guess the game last long enough
surreal agate
and I now have a couple graveyard exile cards so I can just pitch him and recur him and he'll still have counters
deft belfry
[[glistening oil]]
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deft belfry
do you think this beats [[phyresis]]
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surreal agate
idk, if my proliferating is going slow it might not be that great
deft belfry
or kill that creature
goes back to hand
yeah the risk is there if you dont one shot
surreal agate
I also don't own Glistening oil rn
deft belfry
i am the opposite
surreal agate
maybe drop Pentad Prism for the Zealot? It'll be harder to work with the Prism
deft belfry
[[Pentad Prism]]
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deft belfry
i was hoping for [[geth throne]]
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Artifact
, Sacrifice an artifact: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
At the heart of Ish Sah, Geth stokes the dark fires of Phyrexia.
surreal agate
if I did more Artifact tokens maybe, but I'm not too convinced rn
I was gonna put that in the Jeskai precon anyway
deft belfry
yeah i think you can move that prism to the jeskai precon also
more nature proliferate
surreal agate
precon comes with Prism already
deft belfry
oh ok
surreal agate
alright how's that look, 7 sac outlets?
surreal agate
should I try to fit [[Sidisi, Undead Vizier]] back in as well for a potential repeatable Tutor?
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deft belfry
technically [[staff of compleation]] first mode is a sac
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Artifact
, Pay 1 life: Destroy target permanent you own.
, Pay 2 life: Add one mana of any color.
, Pay 3 life: Proliferate.
, Pay 4 life: Draw a card.
: Untap this artifact.
deft belfry
that i am not sure, i dont play tutor too much to know what to search for
with +1 counters, you can loop it endlessly
for tons of cards
surreal agate
I also own [[Diabolic Intent]]
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deft belfry
or keep it on board as a blocker
yeah i have intent too, it was a good pull years ago
havent played it in years too XD
surreal agate
I usually tend to tutor for Uncivil Unrest as that's what can keep my creatures on the field with Marchesa and the damage doubler is nice
outside of that, I can't go wrong with tutoring a removal spell or boardwipe
deft belfry
sidisi can exploit so many times if it sac itself
idk how unlimited turn based tutor affect power elevel and play experience
surreal agate
4 tutors per turn is nutty lol
I think more than 3 and you end up going into B3 territory
deft belfry
especially with the archmage lock
i think the cards in the deck are strong enough if oyu can tutor anything it will be close to B3
surreal agate
that's still technically a 3-card combo, it's the 2-card combos that'll push you into B3
deft belfry
right now its suboptimal enough with the colourshifted proliferate style
so that a re room for pet cards
surreal agate
I might cut the time twist for at least 1 of the tutors, not sure yet tho
deft belfry
if you ever want higher cost counterspell more creature [[overcharged amalgam]]
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surreal agate
I do like Amalgam, hard to use more than once tho
deft belfry
[[abjure]] or sqeeze in extra sacrifice with spells
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surreal agate
I know I'm running a fair bit of blue so [[Flare of Denial]] could work maybe?
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surreal agate
maybe not, it does say creature, lemme check how many creatures are blue
10 creatures, so ehh
deft belfry
without tokens they arent as good
surreal agate
Flare can't hit tokens anyway
I may revisit the Idea of an Inalla Wizard Tribal deck in the future, so I could put those there
deft belfry
i mean both putting counters and the abjure i mentioned
the 3 drop that gets counters as you draw
make 1/1 island walk when it dies
surreal agate
[[Chasm Skulker]]
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surreal agate
I was also thinking of maybe finding a way to fit [[Wizard Class]]?
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
You have no maximum hand size.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, draw two cards.
: Level 3
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
deft belfry
isnt that in the deck already
surreal agate
it was
deft belfry
i never got myself a copy but it is something i wanted to add in my [[toothy ima deck]]
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deft belfry
[[toothy ima friend]]
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deft belfry
which is currently split apart to try or more fun things
and i want to do friendless partner by spliting them apart
surreal agate
reminds me, I used to run [[Ukkima, Stalking Shadow]] for a good while
deft belfry
would be funny to play mono green super friends to rub salt in the wound
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deft belfry
Pir, the one who had an imaginary friend, which also abandoned him, so he seek new friends, only to end up with none, at the LGS table
3 seperate decks with 2 parnter commander
surreal agate
would it be worth getting Ukkima back in or is that too Greedy?
I remember I think I cut it because it required both a sac outlet and something else to buff it in order to be valuable
probably should leave it out then
deft belfry
Ukkima in grixis?
hmmmm
it fits part of the theme
the life gain not as much if you care about dethrone
it force removal and combo with ozolith
it has no downside imo
if you somehow know your top deck, you can shuffle yourserlf
2/2 unblock with power matters
doesnt actually get counters but marchesa can buff it
the life gain is nice to have but it counters dethrone, so the worst case you can target yourself to net 0 life
at worst, it s still better than [[Changeling Outcast]]
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surreal agate
would it be worth swapping Dreadhorde Butcher out for then since it practically does the same thing?
deft belfry
not the same [[Dreadhorde Butcher ]]
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deft belfry
any target
and it buffs itself
on hit, without the counterpart
ukkima doesnt go up
you need the first counter to actually proliferate
deft belfry
something that doesnt swing and sits... i dont really like that 
one drop
on dmg it can sac proliferate
dies dmg to target
surreal agate
Cacophony Scamp?
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surreal agate
what are your thoughts on [[!Blightbelly Rat]]
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surreal agate
currently in the deck
deft belfry
by itself, meh to suckish
with evasion and counters on everything
board getting big and poison counter
really clock
at best, it fits the theme and strategy
at worst it dies with no counters anywhere
if you need more sac outlet i would probably cut this for the [[spawning pit]] i mentioned
shrewd zealotBOT
Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Put a charge counter on Spawning Pit.
, Remove two charge counters from Spawning Pit: Create a 2/2 colorless Spawn artifact creature token.
deft belfry
otherwise, it will have the synergy with other sac outlets
surreal agate
I was more thinking of adding Sidisi in
deft belfry
the etb rat is on all players so that spread counters so much better
if you want sidisi it works too
surreal agate
how's the lands looking btw?
deft belfry
i mean with fetch there are not very much room for further improvement unless it is like perfect mana ratio and such
i owuld just make sure it matches the colours in the deck
very few red so more on the dimir side
make sure commander is playable somewhere with 4-5 mana
i dont do math on my so i just go by feel
i lied sometimes i do
count pips, divide by cards and lands
39 lands is actually kinda high
so there are chance of cutting if you feel like you flooded more than you want
i would not go below 36 outside a 3 colour non green land tutor deck
38 is a safe spot
with MDFC you are like 38.5?
idk what time it is over there i will probably check again tmw 🛏️ 👋
surreal agate
been doing some light playtesting, might try to cut Black Market. I haven't really needed to play it and the times I have, I haven't gotten too much value out of it
deft belfry
yeah it is probably a cut
i think BM is really fun but not only hard to fit into decks
the way it plays and gather attention from the table feels like a lower power/Bracket 2 fun cards
surreal agate
maybe I could replace it with Phyrexian Metamorph? Could copy any of my other rocks and/or assorted things
otherwise I should probably find some other ramp spell I could preferrably abuse
actually, I just picked up [[The Eternity Elevator]], might be interesting to use?
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Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery.)
STATION 20+
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of charge counters on The Eternity Elevator.
deft belfry
if you can get that first counter on it, probably
i havent really looked at the mana production of the deck
and station is one of those...
the moment you can "crew" it with a 2 power creature
it is better rate than proliferate for 1 counter
i think it is probably worst than [[gilded lotus]][[thran dynamo]] in the current build
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Artifact
: Add three mana of any one color.
Over such beauty, wars are fought. With such power, wars are won.
Artifact
: Add .
Urza's metathran children were conceived, birthed, and nurtured by an integrated system of machines.
deft belfry
the counter theme is on point would be the reason to run the elevator
surreal agate
I think the Simulacrum feels a little slow for my liking, any alternatives you would recommend?
I guess at some point I realized I didn't have Disciple of Bolas in here, so I'mma put that back in for now
either Disciple of Bolas or Shadowheart, Dark Justicar, but the latter is a bit slower admittedly
deft belfry
yeah justicar is the slow one
without solumn... there are not really many good ones in that slot
because it is versatile
surreal agate
ok so I managed to keep Sad Robot in at least. I've been doing some testing in MTG forge against AI using established precons and I seem to be constantly winning (tho tbf the AI in forge are rather dumb lol)
also Long-Range Sensor is nutty with things like Inexorable Tide and/or Flux Channeler lol
deft belfry
yeah once you have your set up
it is very low cost for free value
its only bad if you cant get counters on it fast
basically all the replacement for sad golem are closer to [[myraid landscape]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for up to two basic land cards that share a land type, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
deft belfry
the only one i see potential to be better is a creature from 40k
the hart elk cost too much mana
quaint linden
https://scryfall.com/card/peoe/241p/the-eternity-elevator
Wild for mono colors
spring imp
https://archidekt.com/decks/14297163/cloud_deck_gooba
I want to add more removal, but im not sure how what to take out
deft belfry
what are the cards you want to add
deft belfry
with some many powerhouse cards in the deck, i think whatever you can cut will be sad, for example [[summoning materia]] looks okay, but creature count isnt high so you wont get too much from it off the top of the deck
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Artifact — Equipment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
As long as this Equipment is attached to a creature, you may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has vigilance and ": Add ."
Equip
deft belfry
decks that doesnt have much wiggle room; i usually dont have [[vandal blast]] in the 99, just because it doesnt help the deck's own strategy/syenergy
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Sorcery
Destroy target artifact you don't control.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
Beauty is in the eye of the exploder.
deft belfry
behemoth sledge]] only looks okay, nothing crazy compare to the stronger equipments
if the deck allows, i think you can swap the arcane signet for [[three visit]]
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deft belfry
idk if [[inspiring statuary]] is actually needed here or just a bait that looks better in theory
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Artifact
Nonartifact spells you cast have improvise. (Your artifacts can help cast those spells. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ghirapur's most celebrated inventors have been immortalized in clockwork.
deft belfry
a minor thing i can mention would be the redundent recast/recursion for equipments in the deck. it seems unlikely for the same thing to be destroyed that many times in a game
the long and short would be, anything that doesnt directly affect your mana production negatively, you can swap them out to see how it changes game play
surreal agate
@deft belfry I've def gotten the deck to a good spot, but now I think I wanna try and make it Bracket 3 officially by messing with more Poison
I may have ordered a few poison cards I didn't have yet so that should help
deft belfry
i only remember like 3 big ones off the top of my head
but idk if more poison actually speed it up
surreal agate
actually for now I think I'll just keep it at B2
trail tinsel
do you think [[the master multiplied]] fits in this deck? https://archidekt.com/decks/15208428/inalla_wizard_tribal
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trail tinsel
im trying to keep it a bracket [3] so im avoiding the 2 card combos so i figured this would help me go wide and swing
deft belfry
dang this hits the perfect right spot for me, i am going to sleep rn but i will definitely check it at some point and make something work, most of those wizard tribal just get value and combo off, so most of them dont keep the token around.
the hard part of the master multiplied is always getting it out and keeping it around. I loving playing the deck around it
deft belfry
do you think [[the master multiplied]] fits in this deck? https://archidekt.com/...
probably not, i dont see tokens that are worth keeping on board since more dont have good stats/ powerful static effects etc
even [[Naban, Dean of Iteration]] for example
the double trigger dont work on commander's emenience since it isnt out, so its not like you can make extra tokens
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deft belfry
master is much better in a combat based deck that attacks more
or at the very least, making tons of clones, otherwise, you would want to play [[rite of duplication]] + [[mirror box]]
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Sorcery
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
deft belfry
in order to spam etb/ other value play
without legendary creatures to copy, paying 6 mana loses half the value to a mirror box
trail tinsel
even [[Naban, Dean of Iteration]] for example
the double trigger dont work on co...
ive read that it still works are you sure?
hmm i didnt know that thanks!
trail tinsel
other than that i'm questioning if this deck even works. i tried doing this deck like 2 years ago but ended up full sending the combo route, now i have all these wiz tribal cards and figured id try again
deft belfry
ive read that it still works are you sure?
i mean, the token wizard (itself)'s etb will still happen.
but the emenience part wont trigger twice; since the commander isnt on board as a permanent
and the main issue is that, the master, doesnt have ways to make tokens of other creatures. so it is basically a cooler but worse mirror box, it is an overcosted [[mirror gallery]]
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deft belfry
you need tokens that are meaningful to keep around
otherwise, for fun, i think [[blade of selves]] fits all the box
shrewd zealotBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
Equip
deft belfry
make a lot of one thing, and then they all die
deft belfry
other than that i'm questioning if this deck even works. i tried doing this deck...
hmmm, i dont like playing combo too much since it is very often anti dramatic game ender. if thats what you want, (and what most inalla deck do) then stick with it
if you want to turn it into a more combat based/ or whatever weird archtype, let me know
i plan on playing The master multiplied in a grixis deck at some point so i can spam tokens, but i havent started the build. i may revisit my [[marchesa black rose]] deck
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trail tinsel
if you want to turn it into a more combat based/ or whatever weird archtype, let...
100% im trying to do that i already have an inalla combo so i wanted to try both ways
im thinking about adding some evasion spells and anthems to pump my wizards since they are so teny tiny
[[goblin wardrums]] [[wonder]]
trail tinsel
[[coat of arms]]
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trail tinsel
[[door of destinies]]
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trail tinsel
and then i need to figure out what to cut to slot some of the anthems/evasion
deft belfry
hmm what are the biggest wizard in the game
i think the one time anthem below 3 cost are pretty good, [[shared animosity ]]
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deft belfry
i have never seen this one in action [[aegar the freezing flame]] but it is more combat focus than other wizard spellslinger decks
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deft belfry
[[naru meha master wizard]] can add onto the dual caster mage train
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deft belfry
bloom burrow has some nice otters that may work since they are versatile
ofc, with all the [[conspiracy]] type changing cards (that are better than conspiracy) you can open the pool to basically every creature in the game
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deft belfry
i need a deck where i can play [[gaea's balance]] and copy spells [[thousand year storm]] 🤔
versed wind
[[Codie]] can work if you are willing to go through hoops or play another copy spell
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Construct
You can't cast permanent spells.
, : Add . When you next cast a spell this turn, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile an instant or sorcery card with lesser mana value. Until end of turn, you may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Put each other card exiled this way on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/4
quaint linden
i need a deck where i can play [[gaea's balance]] and copy spells [[thousand yea...
Question the warring triad.
Effect
As long as there are fewer then 8 cards in your gy, the warring triad isn’t a creature.
Can i still tap it? If i just played it
versed wind
Question the warring triad.
Effect
As long as there are fewer then 8 cards in ...
Depends if it a creature or not
versed wind
nvm it has haste i forgot
you are able to tap it even if it is creature with the haste stack on
marble cedar
Trying to look for ways to cheat basic lands into play in mono red
to pair with things like [[gauntler of power]]
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marble cedar
[[valakult]]
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[[Valakult, molten pinnacle]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
Whenever a Mountain you control enters, if you control at least five other Mountains, you may have this land deal 3 damage to any target.
: Add .
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[[Koth of the Hammer]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Koth
+1: Untap target Mountain. It becomes a 4/4 red Elemental creature until end of turn. It's still a land.
−2: Add for each Mountain you control.
−5: You get an emblem with "Mountains you control have ': This land deals 1 damage to any target.'"
Loyalty: 3
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I've got [[PuPu]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct Alien
Flying
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
: Until end of turn, this creature's base power becomes equal to the number of Towns you control.
"Thank you!"
0/4
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and [[Terrain Generator]] thus far
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Land
: Add .
, : You may put a basic land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
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any ideas?
(the only rule is no game changers)
Cause the deck which this is sitting in is a bracket 2
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Check [[Zell]] decks
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[[Zell din]]
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Question the warring triad.
Effect
As long as there are fewer then 8 cards in ...
Not a creature, means it is just an Artifact creature so it is no diff than a mana rock
artifact dont have summoning sickness
the same way a creature do
until it BECOMES a creature
this is why a lot of the lands reanimators, turn the target land into a creature, then give it HASTE
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Trying to look for ways to cheat basic lands into play in mono red
Do you need the land or just any ramp, even rocks
i just brought myself this (havent got to play it yet) [[surveyor 's scope]]
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Artifact
, Exile this artifact: Search your library for up to X basic land cards, where X is the number of players who control at least two more lands than you. Put those cards onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
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definitely one of the best option in non land ramp decks to get ahead on lands, i would argue that in certain green decks; namely the land sac precon, can make use of this as well
bounce lands can decrease your own land count with a one turn tapped land drop, but give a guarantee land fall for the following turn
agree with using Zell din, although this one matters more if you have lands to play, because on a turn where you dont make use of the additional land drop, it kinda reduce your mana for the following turn as well
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definitely one of the best option in non land ramp decks to get ahead on lands, ...
Got a precon that had it in
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to pair with things like [[gauntler of power]]
[[cage sun]] is the higher cost version, few others similar things i believe, if its cost reduction, quite a bit, [[ruby medallion]] [[the fire crystal]]
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Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
It is the warm glow of the setting sun at journey's end, the scent of the evening meal crackling over a fire, and the cacophony of a raucous song shared over tankards of mead. It is freedom.
Legendary Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control have haste.
, : Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Warriors of Light...Only you can restore hope to the world, for yours is the light that can balance out the darkness..."
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Got a precon that had it in
didnt know, i heard the pre con played well
[[$planar lens]]
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pricier pick but its acts as a mana doubler, but players usually use snow name since it checks other player's mountains too, and it actually decreases land count
i dont really like the planeswalker [[koth of the hammer]] mentioned here, since it is like a bad ritual effect
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Legendary Planeswalker — Koth
+1: Untap target Mountain. It becomes a 4/4 red Elemental creature until end of turn. It's still a land.
−2: Add for each Mountain you control.
−5: You get an emblem with "Mountains you control have ': This land deals 1 damage to any target.'"
Loyalty: 3
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and planeswalker just dies very easily in multipler format
bounce lands, play lands, seems better
maintain the card advantage for consistent burn
[[guild common]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Add .
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pricier pick but its acts as a mana doubler, but players usually use snow name s...
pricer pick would be [[$doubling cube]]
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hmm that one doesnt actually "double mana" the same way
[[doubling cube]] is kinda a "lie"
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Artifact
, : Double the amount of each type of unspent mana you have.
The cube's surface is pockmarked with jagged runes that seem to shift when unobserved.
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you basically need 7 open mana to get the first double to get 8 mana
so it is as efficient as a [[mind stone]] when you have 7 other sources of mana
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Artifact
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
"We have barely begun to learn the secrets of the Fourth People. Every remnant of their presence, however cryptic, is a gift." —Akal Pakal, First Steward of Oteclan
deft belfry
and since it is not a mountain (mono red) it doesnt help any of the mana doublers that cares about your lands/ type
deft belfry
pricer pick would be [[$doubling cube]]
did you meant another card? or else the numbers dont add up, especially not mono red
versed wind
You said pricer and doubler so I reminder of this
It can work with a big ritual like mana geyser
Maybe i should have gone for mana flare instead
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well tbf, i dont even know if it has to be mountains
[[planar lens]] remove mountain but the payoff out-weight the risk, and is a $ price i think some are willing to pay
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the cube "doubles" mana but not actually giving more mana for the lands
for pure mana ritual geyser would probably be the ideal card
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Trying to look for ways to cheat basic lands into play in mono red
if i know the exact situation, i can sryfall search more
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if i know the exact situation, i can sryfall search more
The exact situation is mono red ramp
With [[inferno of the star mounts]] at the helm
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Legendary Creature — Dragon
This spell can't be countered.
Flying, haste
: Inferno of the Star Mounts gets +1/+0 until end of turn. When its power becomes 20 this way, it deals 20 damage to any target.
The ancient dragon Imvaernarhro has earned his fiery nickname.
6/6
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Artifact
Red creatures get +1/+1.
Whenever a Mountain is tapped for mana, its controller adds an additional .
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For very obvious reasons of, the price tag.
It's online play only
But I'd rather run it over [[chaos moon]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of each upkeep, count the number of permanents. If the number is odd, until end of turn, red creatures get +1/+1 and whenever a player taps a Mountain for mana, that player adds an additional . If the number is even, until end of turn, red creatures get -1/-1 and if a player taps a Mountain for mana, that Mountain produces colorless mana instead of any other type.
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As its less symmetrical and less maths for me
And yea there's obviously the classics of
Extra planar
Caged sun
Gauntlet of power
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you could just try to double it power at 9 to reduce the mana cost
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For example
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you have like few options to add more mana from lands in mono red and almost all are symmetrical, having big ritual are probably you best option
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yeaaah im aware
but im going for very much a lands matter theme
[[Koth of the hammer]] esq synergies
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Legendary Planeswalker — Koth
+1: Untap target Mountain. It becomes a 4/4 red Elemental creature until end of turn. It's still a land.
−2: Add for each Mountain you control.
−5: You get an emblem with "Mountains you control have ': This land deals 1 damage to any target.'"
Loyalty: 3
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im aware it's sub optimal
but this is going for a big stompy
Chuck the brick on the acclerator
bracket 2
my entire interaction sweet is basically just copy effects so I can copy my own land ramp
and just see if I can out accelerate the opponents
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i think if you run all the land doubler there like 6 of them in mono red
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[[Chaos moon]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of each upkeep, count the number of permanents. If the number is odd, until end of turn, red creatures get +1/+1 and whenever a player taps a Mountain for mana, that player adds an additional . If the number is even, until end of turn, red creatures get -1/-1 and if a player taps a Mountain for mana, that Mountain produces colorless mana instead of any other type.
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[[cagd Sun]]
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[[caged sun]]
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[[extra planar]]
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[[gauntlet of might]]
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Artifact
Red creatures get +1/+1.
Whenever a Mountain is tapped for mana, its controller adds an additional .
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[[gauntlet of power]]
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that's all I know about
im not running chaos moon as maths is hard
and I can't tutor it
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[[Ultima]]
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[[Ultima, Origion of the Oblivion]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever Ultima attacks, put a blight counter on target land. For as long as that land has a blight counter on it, it loses all land types and abilities and has ": Add ."
Whenever you tap a land for , add an additional .
4/4
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that one double colorless like forsaken so it doesnt count
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so you remove ultima+forsaken+moon is 6 of them
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but again its the issue of it being less tutorable
Doubling cube is the only one which is on the maybe list
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i would just run [[mana geyser]]
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Sorcery
Add for each tapped land your opponents control.
The Quicksilver Sea hissed and bubbled at the indignity. The Vulshok shaman just smiled.
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ive got a mana doubler deck but without green or blue i probably wouldnt play it
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i think thats about it
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ive got a mana doubler deck but without green or blue i probably wouldnt play it
Yea this deck ain't good
but its funny
it hits like a truck
but it aint very good
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im not running chaos moon as maths is hard
i played that card one game, its not the math, its really just hard to control. its a troll chaos card
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i have done mana flare in my decks and it makes the game fun for me, but you will definitely need an outlet to make use of the extra mana and not have somone else kill you with it
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But overall its a bit to hard to keep consistent
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use a die to keep track of odd and even on board
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true!
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i think for that dragon though
the most important thing is actually getting the power close
[[bulk up]]
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Instant
Double target creature's power until end of turn.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Norf would win the arm-wrestling contest this year, at any cost.
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at 9 power, it only cost 2 mana to get to 18
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[[unleash fury]]
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[[blackblade reforge]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each land you control.
Equip legendary creature
Equip 
It spilled the blood of one elder dragon. In Gideon's hands, it may yet taste another's.
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yea already got a black blade
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now you can keep the power and repeat
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Artifact — Equipment
Imprint — When this Equipment enters, search your library for a land card, exile it, then shuffle.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each land on the battlefield with the same name as the exiled card.
Equip
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i think some equipment cost less than 4
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is also on my maybe list
deft belfry
let me check the list, in case you dont have the banners that taps for mana [[patchwork banner]
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color get +1/+0.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
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was also something I had in this deck orignally
but cut it to lean into the theme of lands mattering
[[granite grip]]
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is also kinda nice in this deck
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trying to see if [[monstrous rage]] is worth
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i dont know about the greaves since it stops target
self target land destruction has a lot chance of ramping but it might be worth testing it out
[[iron clad]][[neheb the eternal]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Minotaur Warrior
Afflict 3 (Whenever this creature becomes blocked, defending player loses 3 life.)
At the beginning of each of your postcombat main phases, add for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
"This is what glory looks like." —Nicol Bolas
4/6
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[[soulbrightflamekin]] [[goldspan dragon]][[rousing refrain]]
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Creature — Elemental Shaman
: Target creature gains trample until end of turn. If this is the third time this ability has resolved this turn, you may add .
When provoked, a flamekin's inner fire burns far hotter than any giant's forge.
2/1
Creature — Dragon
Flying, haste
Whenever this creature attacks or becomes the target of a spell, create a Treasure token.
Treasures you control have ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add two mana of any one color."
4/4
Sorcery
Add for each card in target opponent's hand. Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end. Exile Rousing Refrain with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
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the most powerful thing i can find is probably [[umezawa's jitte]] @tung i will see if there is something cheaper
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put two charge counters on Umezawa's Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Umezawa's Jitte: Choose one —
• Equipped creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
• Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
• You gain 2 life.
Equip
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TARGET CREATURE, not limited to opponent's
i think [[champion's helm]] is better with the commander than greaves, but that can give other things haste if that matters
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
As long as equipped creature is legendary, it has hexproof. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
Equip
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i dont really like sigil of distinction too much since the counters only goes down, and the timing to play it can be awkward
potential upside is there
such as removing a counter to re-equip, thus lowing the power by 1
then you can burn for 20 again with a single red
i think [[ruby medallion]] is always worth since its mono red, not too sure about similar ramp depends on how many artifacts is in the deck [[cloud key]] [[everflowing chalice]] and convert 
to
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Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
It is the warm glow of the setting sun at journey's end, the scent of the evening meal crackling over a fire, and the cacophony of a raucous song shared over tankards of mead. It is freedom.
Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, or sorcery.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
The advent of cloudsculpting ended the use of mechanical locks in Illvoi society.
Artifact
Multikicker (You may pay an additional any number of times as you cast this spell.)
This artifact enters with a charge counter on it for each time it was kicked.
: Add for each charge counter on this artifact.
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[[heroo's blade]] reusable +3 power for just 
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+2.
Whenever a legendary creature you control enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
The best swords are forged with dragonfire.
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[[claws of valakut]][[granite grip]][[curse of opulence]]
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[[there and back again]] is kinda ramps with the untap mountain
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i think [[tavern brawler]] maybe too slow but i considered it at the beginning
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instead of the koth of hammer, i favour more toward [[koth fire of resistance]]
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red need utility lands to draw more cards so i would still get [[war room]] in here
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Land
: Add .
, , Pay life equal to the number of colors in your commanders' color identity: Draw a card.
A figure is moved on a map, and the tide of war changes.
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[[mines of moria]] has a tap downside without legendary but i think it is minor enough, got to get any advantage you can unless you rather play basic mountain in that slow
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Mines of Moria enters tapped unless you control a legendary creature.
: Add .
, , Exile three cards from your graveyard: Create two Treasure tokens.
"Moria! Moria! Wonder of the Northern world!" —Glóin
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even storage counters for [[crucible of the spirit dragon]] whenever there are moments of open mana
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Land
: Add .
, : Put a storage counter on this land.
, Remove X storage counters from this land: Add X mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon spells or activate abilities of Dragons.
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with this many artifact, [[buried ruin]] is potentially a good way to get something important back
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
History has buried its treasures deep.
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[[glittering stockpile]] self explanatory
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Artifact — Treasure
: Add . Put a stash counter on this artifact.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of stash counters on this artifact.
The only thing Ziatora desires is "more."
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[[fire diamond]] T2 ramp [[orb of dragonkind]] mana fixing [[gilded lotus]][[nyx lotus]] multiple red mana from a single card so you dont need to put as many lands onto the field, draw is needed in red[[dragon's hoard]]
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add .
Every facet aglow like iron in Moradin's mighty forge.
Artifact
, : Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon spells or activate abilities of Dragons.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Look at the top seven cards of your library. You may reveal a Dragon card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Artifact
: Add three mana of any one color.
Over such beauty, wars are fought. With such power, wars are won.
Legendary Artifact
Nyx Lotus enters tapped.
: Choose a color. Add an amount of mana of that color equal to your devotion to that color. (Your devotion to a color is the number of mana symbols of that color in the mana costs of permanents you control.)
Artifact
Whenever a Dragon you control enters, put a gold counter on this artifact.
, Remove a gold counter from this artifact: Draw a card.
: Add one mana of any color.
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i think [[heraldic banner]][[patchwork banner]] [[dragonstorm globe]] are all worth considering since they are all 3 mana for a and 1 power, so it reduce activating the fire breathing twice to get closer to 20
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color get +1/+0.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
: Add one mana of any color.
With thistle, quill, twig, and beak, the finest artisans of each animalfolk society stitched unique quilts, patched together as a symbol of harmony.
Artifact
Each Dragon you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
: Add one mana of any color.
Jeskai scholars fashioned devices to forecast the behavior of the dragonstorms.
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if every 1 counts for 1 power, then every 1 power also make up for 1
[[skyclave relic]] is a flexible rock that can be played early or later
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Artifact
Kicker
Indestructible
When this artifact enters, if it was kicked, create two tapped tokens that are copies of this artifact.
: Add one mana of any color.
Skyclaves held the key to reshaping the world.
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[[kazuul's fury]] power matter MDFC
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Kazuul's Fury deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to any target.
"The toll is steep, but the cliffs are steeper." —Samila, Murasa Expeditionary House
Kazuul's Cliffs
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"The path up the cliffs is nothing but steep switchbacks and rickety lifts, made by elves, maintained by humans, and guarded by ogres. But it's the best way into the heart of Murasa." —Samila, Murasa Expeditionary House
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if you are willing to play the land destruction as ramp, in case i missed it, [[sundering eruption]] is just better
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Sorcery
Destroy target land. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Creatures without flying can't block this turn.
"Idea: Climbing boots also balanced for running." —Expedition journal entry, very scorched
Volcanic Fissure
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
Even the most seasoned adventurers think twice before testing their fortunes on the volcanic teeth of Akoum.
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[[opal palace]] can give more than 1 power for one more mana, and colour fixing for rocks so i think Everflowing chalice is very much worth it
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Land
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity. If you spend this mana to cast your commander, it enters with a number of additional +1/+1 counters on it equal to the number of times it's been cast from the command zone this game.
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colourless also pays for all your equipments
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[[iron clad]][[neheb the eternal]]
[[the irencrag]] find the name, and pricier pick [[excalibur sword of eden]]
dont you die on me scryfall
sigh
[[lavapur boots]] no hexproof like swift but it can be moved to reduce power to 19 and reactivate for 20 power burn
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but cut it to lean into the theme of lands mattering
i would cut [[expedition map]] the land would give x however many mana doubler, and +power from equipments, but it isnt that much stronger than the flexble mana from mana rock that cost 
and give 1 power and 1
compass is at least repeatable
irencag can become an equipment , so utility rocks are worth it
or need the things that search for gaunlet of power [[moonsilver key]]
My priorities would be:
1 card that generate more than 1 mana (gilded lotus) > card draw/ cheat card advantage in mono red > getting power without paying the full cost of (hero's blade, always 3 power when the commander enters) which is 3 saved EACH turn > consistent land drop/land ramp > efficient mana acceleration >
oh i see moonsilver key already, another cut would be that piko hammer of nezen, because there arent a good timing for it and the deck dont really run tons of equipments
Magda isnt needed, cant tap too well, limited things to tutor for
[[omnithropter of paradise]] flying blocker, can make , slightly over rocks with no utility but around the same as utility rocks
Birgi is probably not ideal in here, but strong card regardless
fire bending from the avatar set may have better alternatives
[[scampering surveyor]] is okay, worse than [[khalni gem]] imo
marble cedar
self target land destruction has a lot chance of ramping but it might be worth t...
Yeah im running a lot of that
and moon silver is there
deft belfry
yeah.. those are not great. i would probably test it out and have it to be cut first
noticed the silver key afterward
marble cedar
[[Khalni gem]]