#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck

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warped flare
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i misread it

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the fuck is that

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what universe within promo

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ya wooo el hooo

novel bramble
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?

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๐Ÿ˜ต

novel bramble
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No idea. I got it in real

warped flare
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cant speak the language

novel bramble
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It has the same giggling factor as [[Adios]]

warped flare
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you and your fake card

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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ITS REAL WDYM

warped flare
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no proof didnt happen

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how long is the game going last for bello on board on avg

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[[god pharaod's statue]] feels like a finisher

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warped flare
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with the tax eff

novel bramble
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bbl

warped flare
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BBL surgery? XD

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anyways legendary also much worse with copy mechanic

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i would put all those doubling effect from burn to tokens under the category "win-con" so i can see warstorm surge being a cut

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[[aether flesh]] will stop all the some tokens from like hamstersphere but it is also a small sacrifice

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warped flare
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i think you would need to be very careful with that one since you run all those win cons i listed above, the burn and doubling will only affect you on your turn

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another reason why i would take out trickery is so that i can play a 1 drop protection such as [[avoid fate]]

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warped flare
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i consider it to be stronger than [[guttural response]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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while i get that you need that 1 mana ramp, so [[goblin anarchomancer]] has been overlooked

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warped flare
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the potential of casting multiple things at a later turn somewhat makes up for it?

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bello at even mana cost also makes it nice to cast with 4 drops but thats kinda ... girl-math

novel bramble
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Everything else I get it, but I feel like I'm losing a lot of tempo if I have a turn that only ramps without an extra attacker

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Aether flash is a nonbo with a couple cards yeah

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It counters a couple of decks tho

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If I can drop it T3 its a great stax

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But it sucks after a couple turns

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Yeah I'll cut

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And I really can't cut Tibalt's Trickery. saved my ass too many times. Help vs combos, and help vs Blue shenanigans

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The big boardwipes, farewell, the blue instant that return every attacking creatures to hand, etc.

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Its definitively my Red pet card

novel bramble
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Man tutoring for anything but creatures really suck in gruul huh

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Gamble being the best one

novel bramble
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[[Soulbright seeker]] Literally Trample for free.

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warped flare
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[[reckless handling]] is a card

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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The discard is always annoying.

warped flare
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thats the most fun part of gamble

novel bramble
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"I'm not a gambling man"

warped flare
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i like how everyone see gmable as two different cards XD

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"oh nice 1 drop tutor"

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"oh i can play Russian roulette and make this win into a die roll"

novel bramble
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Knowing my luck, that russian roulette gun has 6 bullets in it

warped flare
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my has 7

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i lost the gamble 100% of the times i casted them from a borrowed deck

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with at least 7 cards in hand

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one of which is a [[ruby medallion]] which is why i think artifact search is good enough

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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otherwise i think the enchantment search matters more

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because bello turn everything into the same 4/4 attacking

novel bramble
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Yeah for sure.

warped flare
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to me

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your deck has like 30 [[questing beast]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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4 mana 4/4 haste

novel bramble
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The perfect card

warped flare
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its not as good as 30 [[manamorphsis]] in the hyper consistent B4+ deck

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for โ€œmanamorphsisโ€

warped flare
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[[manamorphos]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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but damn thats boring as shit to play

novel bramble
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Free draw. So good.

warped flare
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" i am running out of room to cut for cards" vs
"i am playing with 70 cards optimization"

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the dichotomy

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or is it duality

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i forgot the word

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yes its duality XD

novel bramble
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Sleep time. see you later.

warped flare
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yeah i need sleep too but its only 21:40

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why you sleep so early

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are you mid night already

novel bramble
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Foreign concept called "Time zones"

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its crazy

warped flare
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I am living in the past still here in Feb 25

novel bramble
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its 22h35 here

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and I work early

warped flare
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the fuk

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thats only 10 pm

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๐Ÿ˜’ fine, sleep is for the weak. sweet dreams

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[[!reccuring nightmare]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i will haunt you in rakdos

novel bramble
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Well, when you get a raing on your finger your sleep schedule becomes your SO's sleep schedule.

warped flare
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ah, i [[refute]] that [[wedding ring]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Nothing screams "I'm still a virgin" like a mono blue player playing 3 mana counterspells

warped flare
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Its the virgin joke where you never lose, not even your virginity

novel bramble
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"BEGONE THOT, I SAID NO!"

warped flare
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tfw i see people putting 4 mana counterspells in their deck XD

novel bramble
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"Will you become my love forever?" "In response I tap 3..."

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anyway, gn

warped flare
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gn

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i feel like wedding ring is a card you love btw, first thing, you dont get to refuse once you ve been choosen

novel bramble
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Its in my Queen Marchesa deck now

novel bramble
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3 cuts left

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Ill try without Gratuitous Violence for now. But maybe cutting the 4 mana ramp instead might be the play

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We'll see, because missing a T3 4mana drop is a big tempo loss

warped flare
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how many 4 drop ramp

novel bramble
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  1. And I wish it was 10
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1 drop is 13 for the math?

novel bramble
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12

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It gives a 77% chance with the free mulligan to have 3 lands+1 dork

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2lands 1 dork is almost guaranteed

novel bramble
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1 card left lol. Im tempted to just cut Blasphemous Act

warped flare
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i probably would

novel bramble
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Alright, I'll test it out without boardwipes

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I'm gonna work on my [[Inquisitor Greyfax]] deck, there's a couple cards I wanna put into it and it needs an overhaul

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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oh why overhaul

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is it too optimized in that previous direction

novel bramble
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On the contrary it gets out like a constipated ass

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like a very mid B2 deck

warped flare
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oh lol

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doing too much control but not enough to develop your board problem?

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just my guess i forgot what your lsit looks like

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jsut shit tons of removal and interactions

novel bramble
warped flare
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i run no more than 12 removal on avg in my main deck although sometimes something can be reused

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i force myself to pick really hard what to remove

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because if i wasted it, i dont have enough

novel bramble
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Things I've learned is that you cannot have too many plans in a deck. Either I focus on Clues, either I focus on control+Untapping Greyfax

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Its fine to have some banger cards like [[Sting glinting]] even if I focus on clues for example, but overall I need to focus on one.

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novel bramble
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I wanna try out [[Mirrorform]] too

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novel bramble
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so I think making clues is the way to go

warped flare
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and I think the deck will feel less easy to dismantle if Greyfax is not the only focus of the deck

warped flare
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i think the clue part is easier and creature tap is a nice way to politic

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but overall, my personal interest would be the vigilance anthem

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attack and block perhaps flyers for the easy poke

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almost like an [[alela artiful provocateur]] deck

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novel bramble
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Couple cards will fit innately for the Anthem

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Wan Shi Tong, Fairy Mastermind, Ledger Shredder

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for example

warped flare
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well the generic good stuff fits every deck ๐Ÿ˜…

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your commander deck template: sol ring arcane signet command tower, for all colours, blue has those 3

novel bramble
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I guess the main question is, why Greyfax if the focus will be on making clues

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and is it necessary to get her out T3

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I don't think so tbh

warped flare
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not at all

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control only matters if there is something out of the line

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you dont need rules where there are no established things out of order

novel bramble
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It does make the commander do nothing until T5

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So rest of the plan needs to make sure I'm making tokens

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or drawing cards

warped flare
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pretty much

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thats the thing i dislike about clue

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clue looks like card draw but are real worse than scry

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really

novel bramble
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2 mana to draw is too much now

warped flare
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unless i run those reduction piece i would probably never want to sac a clue if i am not desperate for draws

novel bramble
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Plus in this deck It'll reduce the wincons

warped flare
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something investigator

novel bramble
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exactly

warped flare
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that artifact enter = surveil 1

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is pretty perfect

novel bramble
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[[Golbez crystal]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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because surveil is like the better scry

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if 2 scry is like 1 draw

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2 surveil is at least 1.5 draw

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white identity cards that make multiple artifact would be a focus i would go on

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and then naturally token matters, would fit

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going to work soon

novel bramble
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Alright, I'll work on it

warped flare
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i love the "whenever you draw second card, trigger" stuff

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[[homuculus horde]] is a fun one i want to play but the others are better

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Ethereal investigator]]

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warped flare
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[[thopter fabicator]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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artifact is big

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and 3 cost is what makes it better than the above homu

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๐Ÿƒโ€โžก๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘‹

novel bramble
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Lots of ETB effects. Blinking sounds like a great plan to go with this

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Either I go Untap commander every upkeep and co, or I go Blinking everything

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Blink also recycle some wincons that only last until end of turn

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yeah I'll go with this.

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Its either that or untap commander every upkeep and make clues that way, but it struggle vs removal

novel bramble
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I went Blink. Don't think I need a ton of ramp since I'm not rushing out the Commander and I have a lot of 2drops

novel bramble
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[[Avatar's wrath]] Really nice card considering I wanna blink my stuff

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novel bramble
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Pseudo boardwipe into just recasting my stuff for 2 and getting the ETB.

novel bramble
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Playtests on Bello revealed that Mana Echoes is busted. (Who knew!?), Otherwise I'll get rid of Ragavan and add Burgeoning instead; Its way too inconsistent and can only "Ramp" me after combat phase. That means on T3 I cannot cast a 4-mana something, attack and draw a card.

novel bramble
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LGS tonight, went 3-0 with Hobbits, Marchesa and Auntie Ool

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very strong showing of my hobbits, very glad of the upgrades

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sadly the mulligans were uber shit

novel bramble
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I really need to work on the mana base. There's a new land in the WUBRG Precon [[Abundant Countryside]]

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novel bramble
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I already got the precon but I havent opened it yet

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I think I'm ready to add some tutors too. Not drawing a group slug card really stall the deck, same with not drawing another food generator.

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[[Green sun]] Only green creatures, so best target is Peregrin Took, Jaheira for ramp or Chatterfang.

zealous ridgeBOT
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Multiple cards match โ€œGreen sunโ€, can you be more specific?

novel bramble
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[[Green sun's zenith]]

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novel bramble
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[[Chord of calling]] Convoke makes this the best tutor I think, but its useless after a board wipe, but it can get [[Boromir, warden]] for instant protection at worst.

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warped flare
zealous ridgeBOT
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but blink has the broken [[displacer beast]] that will adventure nonstop!!

zealous ridgeBOT
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jk i mean [[displacer kitten]] just look at how cu... oh shit this monster is going to combo so hard with just about any non land cards

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i am tempted to play it with [[coveted jewal]] but then its going to become a combo deck

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warped flare
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i have yet to draw my avatar's wrath in any deck i played it in

warped flare
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i just dont have enough experience with ragavan in games since its pricey for non multi player format

warped flare
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zealous ridgeBOT
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whats the other one, cannot use for activated ability, basically that

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its a little nicer since it 's creature Card type rather than creature subtype of your choice but functionally the same

warped flare
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i got myself a chord of calling, still havent used once yet

novel bramble
zealous ridgeBOT
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The Exodia hand in short

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But anyway, for Hobbits, I found [[Great hall of the citadel]] that can accomplish the task too

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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yep i run great hall in like 2 out of 10 decks i played since i like that fixing for the commander

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[[rakdos lord of riot]] Animar, really anything that has all colour pips in its based cost

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novel bramble
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Its a land I keep forgetting about everytime I look away lol

warped flare
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ofc with enough fixing it really doesnt matter

warped flare
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so the new 3 colour deck be like ~30 basics

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i want a colourless deck and run like 0.5 [[Waste]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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99.9% utility lands ๐Ÿ˜„

novel bramble
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Honestly I came around when it comes for basic lands

warped flare
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thats the thing for me, i dont like basics. while fetch lands cares about land types, they are really there to get the duo land type cards

novel bramble
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Too many "If" and "maybe" lands just dilude the pool. Many times I fucked myself with colorless utility lands.

warped flare
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i make sure that if i ever come across a [[blood moon]] in my decks, all of them are fine

zealous ridgeBOT
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ofc i cant deal with basic land mass destruction

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which has happened

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from the same guy, twice

novel bramble
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The rarest form

warped flare
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not that blood moon is only B4 i know i wont see it

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but i still not trying to be like abusing gaeas craddle

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all broken $$ lands

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i can probably say i hate lands

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i dont hate drawing them or running them

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i hate the existence of a resource that is potentially a dead card in the deck

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very much a ygo problem

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but lands is exactly what made magic balanced as a better card game

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the uncertainty etc

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so land are purely tools to make spells playable

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if they become cantrip [[ash barren]] ramp [[myraid landscape]] surveil or [[warroom]] card advantage

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmc/60/ash-barrens

Ash Barrens

Land
manat: Add manac.
Basic landcycling mana1 (mana1, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
Many interstellar civilizations have dumped their unwanted elements on Planet Morbus, from toxins to lowlifes.

warped flare
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those are the lands i almost run in all the decks so i can get rid of them in the main deck

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so in a way, all my decks probably end up with less than 30-25 lands once i get it going since i am just throwing each one i see in place of a more fun card

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but at some point, i will need tutors in order to get to where i want so i can dodge drawing lands

novel bramble
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Considering every card game after mtg tried to fix the mana problem I'd say you're not the only one hating lands in the deck

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Riftbound is a good example of how they tried to circumvent the problem

warped flare
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my ideal 99 be like 10 total non MDFC lands

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๐Ÿค”

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there is a meme deck that came from the ideal of " run more lands" so it runs 0

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i havent looked into riftbound

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riot took enough of my time and effort in the past

novel bramble
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Or Lorcana, that works too

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Transform almost any card into mana

warped flare
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ah, thats exactly how i would like to design my type of game

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scaling and sacrificial resources

novel bramble
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its a good solution yes

warped flare
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gtg to work bye

novel bramble
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Cya

novel bramble
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Casual turn 6. Molten Echoes+Roaming Throne is silly

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Before attack theres already 288 damage that has been dealt through the triple Warstrom Surge

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if my math is right

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attacking with the triple Echoing assault I could copy Warstorm surge and deal another...

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120 damage, not counting actually attacking

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Another Exodia pull I'd say. but Overall as long as I start the game with lands+mana dork and a 4mana drop I'm pretty chill

warped flare
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๐Ÿ‘€ eating glurb

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do you play liquimetal torque at all

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in any decks

novel bramble
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in Toph yeah

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[[Liquimetal torque]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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the super artifact raccoon is tempting for me

novel bramble
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Yeah

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Could be fun jank

warped flare
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and i can see myself going super budget with like all the 4 mana rocks [[sissay ring]] XD

zealous ridgeBOT
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[[ur golem eye]]

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novel bramble
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Just use the Hedron one for the same price lol

warped flare
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got to pick the worst from the bulk colelction

novel bramble
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[[$Thran Dynamo]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/415/thran-dynamo

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warped flare
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i have those cards i just dont really run them as much anymore

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i run the shittiest version in B2 jank

novel bramble
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Yeah I get it

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Any lands that can buff a creature like [[Kessig wolf run]]?

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Just looking into huge damage through [[Giggling Skitter]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i actually havent find the deck to run kessig yet

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[[$giggling skitterspike]]

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warped flare
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this would be a long wait for me to get a budget version of that

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maybe $2 if it get reprinted someday

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it would be one hell of a heroic gutternipe

novel bramble
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Its such a good card in Bello

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4/4 on your turn, can go up to 9/9, you can target him with your protection spells and kill everyone

warped flare
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any decks that gives it power, ability to go into combat

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since i hurt myself a lot, i would probably do +1 counters/double power + [[basilik collar]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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actually [[vampic link]] is all i need

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novel bramble
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Buffs and equipments in Bello are pretty limited considering everything drops off when my turn ends, the only ones that are good are Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot for Bello

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Shadowspear could be used for the effect too I guess

warped flare
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i mean we focus on very diff things,you like monolith commander and i like unique experience with synergy as if i can only play my commander once per game

novel bramble
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And its fine

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I'm almost at one year of commander experience now

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I'm starting to understand the kind of deck I like to play

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Ironically enough, Hobbits and Bello are pretty high on the fun list and they are my first two commander decks

warped flare
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phew, good things it s not all white

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although i know more experienced players who hate green more than other counters while blue aka open mana untapped island being the saltiest colour; who would have knew the sea is salty

novel bramble
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Top 5 would be
-Queen Marchesa (Mardu)
-Frodo and Sam (Abzan)
-Bello (Gruul)
-The Scarab God (Dimir)
-Auntie Ool (Jund)

Quite varied and only two whites, surprisingly.

warped flare
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idont how long my list is but i did go through lot of different commanders

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https://archidekt.com/decks/15863294/past_commanders_and_fun_cardssome are missed, some arent worth trying, but basically gives an idea of the commanders i really liked and how i find builds that fits in a weird senses

Archidekt
Past Commanders and fun cards โ€ข (WUBRG Custom deck) โ€ข Archidekt

Niv-Mizzet, Guildpact & Delina, Wild Mage & Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund & Vraska, the Silencer & Anje Falkenrath & Velomachus Lorehold & Balthor the Defiled & Captain Howler, Sea Scourge & Marchesa, the Black Rose & Rakdos, Lord of Riots & Niv-Mizzet Reborn & Shalai and Hallar & Horde of Notions & Koma, World-Eater & Heliod, the Radiant Dawn // Hel...

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some may change in the future but for the most part, if i hate how [[jodah the unifier]] is designed, i will probably never build a deck that has it

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/203/jodah-the-unifier

Jodah, the Unifier <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature โ€” Human Wizard
Legendary creatures you control get +X/+X, where X is the number of legendary creatures you control.
Whenever you cast a legendary spell from your hand, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a legendary nonland card with lesser mana value. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
5/5

warped flare
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it is also doubled-up in my "boring" category

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when the deck builds itself

novel bramble
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Metric ton of stuff lol

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I'm surprised to see Marchesa the Black Rose in your favourites, how's the deck?

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Volo looked fun too

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My current list of commanders I was interested in.

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warped flare
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๐Ÿฅฐ simic volo

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8 of those inlisted decks with white in them

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๐Ÿ˜ต

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i havent really played green white and the 4 colour breya colour combination

warped flare
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but its overall theme fits everything i want for my rakdos at the time and probably only better if i rebuild today. its more suited for my own play style and one of the best way to use clones repeatablly since i can change any clones i have at basically instand speed as long as a single creature survives on board

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and thematically, it has that "there's always an Asian better than you at everything" stereotype "Cant give rid what I have if I destroy it myself first" defensive mechanism. Always trying to be Abuse with the sac to reuse anything however i want (black), Impulse in terms of how the game is played by always attacking with the incentive (Red), and manipulative with the rest of what is available in the rakdos + blue colour identity

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the one part i was disatisfy is the win con always getting to the same thing after 6-7 mana and not much wiggle room for pure fun jank because the list is too tight for synergy and redundancy to make it go

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i think farewell is about the only thing it cant dodge, i didnt need/ have phyrexian altar since no one really run splitsecond removal cards

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technically no combo but certain things are nearly infinite, and one round can loop the same effect up to 4 times on the end step, burn is the most reliable way of ending the game

warped flare
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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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dont remember or mean the exact things but its gets the idea across

novel bramble
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A real poet

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I like the concept though.

warped flare
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its not trying to be but thats how it turns out when i read Marchesa: Abusive, Impulsive, Manipulative

novel bramble
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Pretty much.

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What do you think of [[Rodha Geist avenger]] and [[Timin youthful]]?

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warped flare
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at 4 and 5 cost in a contro-ish colour combination

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i would somewhat ignore what they are trying to do on their own and focus a lot more on the partner stuff from background to being able to search each out of the library all sort weirdness

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deck is expected to have a high curve so some of my favourite ramp may just fit right in [[coveted jewel]] and alike thran dynamo probably the must have one

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so the white side Rhoda really likes how blue can tap creatures with all sort of [[sleep]] and timin is just a consistent way of doing that in the commander zone by at a very high cost of 5 mana. i think Timin is better off not getting played because of that and just hides until everyone is out of boardwipe and stuff

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if you can Flash out timini, then the timing is even better to enter combat with it on opponent's turn. along side some goading and you basically have the pillowfort core. rhonda is going to get big so vigilance turns it into the voltron big wall missing that evasion

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so i think those two do somewhat compensate with one and other but more in their colour identity than their own ability

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whats the verf circle, tap down a creature = draw a card. perfect agaist people who runs cryptolith rite [[endurance of vitality]]

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No card found for โ€œendurance of vitalityโ€

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i still havent played my enough to remember the elks name

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Yeah I know the one. [[Enduring vitality]] or w/e

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warped flare
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ah i confused it with [[endurance]]

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tfw i traded myself vitality and never used it in any deck

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๐Ÿ˜ต

novel bramble
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Working on a [[Baba lysaga]] deck focused on earthbending

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If you earthbend an Artifact land, it has 3 types AND comes back when sacrificed. Pretty cool

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oh nice

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so you dont have to go down in land

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i think the most interesting part is always a deck that wants to run all sort of random things for typings, like a equipment that brings along a creature token of sort or all the liquimetal things

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it has a little bit of the "all colours, or no colours" type of feel to it

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Rough Draft so far, havent tagged everything yet.

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gotta set the plan then cut the fat

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Earthbend is ofc the number one effect that I wanna keep

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sadly the best ones are Gruul

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holy fuck with that ramp

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from some of the strongest; at least badgermole can help with all the earthbending even tho culling ritual would kill it

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normally i perfer fewer of those bad myr mana docks but in here they are nice, assume you can replace that mana in no time and not lose everything to a board wipe

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by process of elimination i can see some category being either too high or other part needing a certain amount etc

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so if you insist on keeping 15 removal/interactive cards, then naturally its not a pool you can cut from

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if its purely power level, i consider [[snuff out]] to be almost stronger than deadly rollick

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unless ofc your meta is all black creatures

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because 4 life for a free spell is niothing in edh

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and rollick at least need commander out, which can be tricky against higher power with lot of interactions

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but functionall exile beats conditional destroy so it make sense why rollick is some much more $$

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playing on a budget i dont own either, i can justify bosejiu automatically since it is a land, when it comes to non permanet spells in a permanent focus deck, i feel like generic cards are usually much less synergy

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oath iof lili i expect to get cut

warped flare
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current land count can get cut down a bit since curve is low, and earthbending ensure it to stay around after sac

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curtting sorcery and single use earth bending such as

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i think this deck need any version of [[cruicle of world]] to replay lands from grave so even without earthbending, you are solid

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No card found for โ€œcruicle of worldโ€

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and with all the fetches, it just makes more sense that way

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it works with all of those cards

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may not need selfmill if there are enough card draw

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can consider delirium support

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would like to see [[bumi's feast lecture]] with [[!ygra eater of all]] on board

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https://scryfall.com/card/tle/133/bumis-feast-lecture

Bumi's Feast Lecture <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery โ€” Lesson
Create a Food token. Then earthbend X, where X is twice the number of Foods you control. (A Food token is an artifact with "mana2, manat, Sacrifice this token:You gain 3 life." To earthbend X, target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put X +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)

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Yeah my big gripe with the Earthbending spells is how shitty some of them are

warped flare
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i would like utility lands that give the earth bending land unblocker

novel bramble
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Hard to get more than a single use out of it

warped flare
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which is fine because you just need a consistent way to earth bend

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I like the land that Earthbends, but it's mana intensive

warped flare
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like toph alone can do it once per turn which is really all you need

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yeah i love ba sing sa for that

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Ygra is a good way to just artifact all my shit

warped flare
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i like using that one more in decks that just doesnt really have infinite new cards in hand though

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kinda like the combo machine that turn all creatures into lands

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Lumra too I guess

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kinda sad you cant play the OG liqumetal

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forgot the name havent see it for so long

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[[Liquimetal Coating]]

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its torque that can target land, and can combo with [[splinter]] to kill a mono colour deck

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yep that coating

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its in my considering section, but completely outclassed by Torque

warped flare
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in earthbending yes

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you dont need more artifact

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idk how good your balance between types could be tho

novel bramble
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I guess Torque is actually worse when it comes to adding Artifact to a land tho0

warped flare
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because all you really need is any one of the artifact land that can become creature

novel bramble
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Yeah its probably too redundant

warped flare
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but the thing is, you dont need tho add artifact

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so torque is best when it is just a mind stone mana rock

novel bramble
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Yeah. Artifacvt and creatures are easy to make

warped flare
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also nice if you have artifact removal and turn something else into artifact

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and since we are tring to cut, will leave gravepact and other reanimate stuff out

novel bramble
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maliek sacrifice trigger goes so hard

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yeah i figured, but the opponent choose what to sac is hardly removal

novel bramble
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Who?

warped flare
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i feel like having liliana oath would be like adding random [[treacherous blessing]]

[[mazirek kraul death priest]]

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warped flare
novel bramble
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Oh yeah

warped flare
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but i am leaving it out due to cut

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and its a seperate win con too

novel bramble
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I'll consider it still

warped flare
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with all the fetch and replay lands, its stepping into landfall territory already

novel bramble
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Felt appropriate with the Earthbending

warped flare
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but if you add all the landfall stuff

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you have a complete different deck that can win without having baba out

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and lot more route for value

novel bramble
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Too boring

warped flare
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so it becomes even harder to cut away from pure landfall stuff

novel bramble
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Field of the dead is in because I got land search, but the main target is an artifact land

warped flare
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brb

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nevermind, never back XD, when i play tutorable cards, i like to avoid putting in things that i will always end up looking for just because it s good. like having a tutorable toxic deludge. so i wouldnt play field of the dead unless i see nothing else better

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once you go over 7 name lands, i feel like 99% of the time its going to be field of the deck because it also comes with a zombie

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No card found for โ€œpathfinder puriferโ€

warped flare
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i find [[rootfinder purifer]] interesting but it only works with basic fetches

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No card found for โ€œrootfinder puriferโ€

warped flare
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[[rottpath purifier]]

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novel bramble
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lol

warped flare
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but overall its janky on a budge

novel bramble
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If it was 1-3 mana maybe but 4 is a lot

warped flare
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a 4 drop for do nothing isnt worth

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anyways gtg again probably couple hours this time

novel bramble
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ALright, cya later

novel bramble
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LGS yesterday went 4-0. Bello x2, Hobbits and Queen Marchesa all dominated my games.

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Bello won twice to a Mana Geyser into Fiery Emancipation copied by [[Flameshadow Conjuring]]. Weird it hapenned twice but hey.

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PUB STOMPING ALERT were the games close with back and forth XD

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i did win 3 games in a row with some close calls last week i played

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the 3 player one was the weirdest because they basically had to ignore me to avoid getting killed by the other while i just have small blockers to negate all their damage if they go in my direction

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and then i just have to do the remaining below 20 combat damage to finish it, which was not hard at all in a jank golgari pump deck

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when i have [[the rani]] grixis jank control, i was basically never in the red and still have a full grip of playable removals while everyone keep losing card advantage to one another

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https://scryfall.com/card/who/149/the-rani

The Rani <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature โ€” Time Lord Scientist
Whenever The Rani enters or attacks, create a red Aura enchantment token named Mark of the Rani attached to another target creature. That token has enchant creature and "Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and is goaded."
Whenever a goaded creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, investigate.
3/4

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[[junk winder]] completely sealed the game when i am making like 4 tokens per round

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funny enough i expected it to do more work in my past volo simic deck, but i either never draw it in time, or there is something better in green to do crazy things

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the idea of having a token copy of junk winder just feels more special that it really is

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than*

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turns out i dont have to cast it for manau

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manau manau but as long as it is around half or less of the toal cost, it is pretty good to have a 6 toughness stax/removal piece

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wish i have ways to search it in grixis tho

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still waiting for the [[glimpse of tomorrow]] moment in the deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/129/glimpse-of-tomorrow

Glimpse of Tomorrow

Sorcery
Suspend 3โ€”manarmanar
Shuffle all permanents you own into your library, then reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put all non-Aura permanent cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then do the same for Aura cards, then put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

warped flare
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i want over 60 tokens and the dream of throwing my entire library out on board

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hopefully with haste

novel bramble
# warped flare ~~PUB STOMPING ALERT~~ were the games close with back and forth XD

Honestly, yeah. Considering that no one ever tried to take out Bello with Interaction I think it's not on me pubstomping but on them not actually playing B3 decks.
For my Hobbits I had 2 Boardwipe protection that sealed the game for them; but they never tried to remove the Academy Manufactor until it was too late.
Marchesa did what Marchesa does; I let the Baylen player kill off both other players and then I Rakdos Charmed him to death.

novel bramble
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weird enough i sort of like the original build

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did you test out that version and whats wrong with it

novel bramble
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[[Mutagen man]] good card for hobbits.

And yeah that version of Greyfax didnt feel like I could do what I wanted the deck to do. Not enough focus on making Clues

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[[Mutagen man living ooze]]

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Was able to play Inquisitor Greyfax once today. Sadly it was hard to tell if the deck went well because there were 2 other control decks and one of them kept bouncing my shit back to hand

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I ended up winning T13-14 with Mechanized production and 15+ clues

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but it was grindy as shit

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2nd game was Hobbit carnage. I survived a boardwipe with Heroic Intervention, and I had a [[Kambal, profiteering]] and [[Blind Obedience]] vs the New Ashling. Complete counter

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gross white decks XD good thing i dont play ashling. did i tell you how much i hate blind obedience, both as a card and irl

novel bramble
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Necessary evil; it's the only non-creature extort that cost 2 mana with [[Sorin of house markov]]. Allows me to save up my food for stronger turns later on.

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/245/sorin-of-house-markov-sorin-ravenous-neonate

Sorin of House Markov <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature โ€” Human Noble
Lifelink
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay manawb. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
At the beginning of each of your postcombat main phases, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, exile Sorin, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
1/4

Sorin, Ravenous Neonate
Legendary Planeswalker โ€” Sorin
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay manawb. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
+2: Create a Food token.
โˆ’1: Sorin deals damage equal to the amount of life you gained this turn to any target.
โˆ’6: Gain control of target creature. It becomes a Vampire in addition to its other types. Put a lifelink counter on it if you control a white permanent other than that creature or Sorin.
Loyalty: 3

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Working on the Baba Lysaga deck still. Im at 110 but I dont like how the deck is playtesting right now. I might cut half the Earthbending to add some play lands from graveyard

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Another remake I'm working on to pad the proxy order

warped flare
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๐Ÿค” something seems off, so much mana and i dont see enough payoff, may need to goldfish ffew more times

novel bramble
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Ive made a pass with cards I already had. Tbf theres a couple cards I really wanna try to push into the deck. For now ill test it like this and wait for the proxies

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Need a 3rd deck to make it more worth though.

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What do you think of [[Volrath shapestealer]]?

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warped flare
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that card in a vacuum... bad, -1 counter at beginning of combat so its very limited and slow, the interesting part is definitely the low cost activated ability to target just about anything and get good ability out of it, fun and open ended build around. with all the counter synergy stuff in the game it is easy to go into a +1 & ability counter deck

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It feels fun as a toolbox deck

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Not as a -1 deck since I already have the hag

warped flare
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not having restrition is what makes it more challenging, you can put all the good stuff +1 stuff and win without commander out [[invisble stalk]] and the phyrexian infect one if you want almost one shot

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warped flare
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and for the most part sultai has lot of room that isnt explored

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where as ton of broken sultai commanders are out there

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but really limit the deck space and pushes cards out

novel bramble
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Yeah hes not even in the top 10 sultais

warped flare
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not surprised

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it lacks the "power" to appeal to majority

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and too flexible

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its fun to copy opponent's stuff but thats like thief decks

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lacks the synergy to win

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i think the most interest aspect is that

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as a 5 mana simic + black commander that has a 1 mana ability

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means you basically need 6 mana for it to be safe

novel bramble
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He has green, not a problem

warped flare
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its not something to play early, and the 99 need to support a somewhat high curve and inconsistent game plan

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its very different from your fast mana dorks turn 2 commander

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this is looking at a turn 7 commander AFTER you have developped a board

novel bramble
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the 99 can have non-etb utility creatures that triggers at combat phase or end step

warped flare
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the mono blue yshtola or something

novel bramble
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Or stuff with unblockable/hexproof to kill people via commander damage. 7 Power is a 3-hit kill

warped flare
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but that one cares about etb :/

novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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well then thats even slower but it is a sure way to get someone, i think it would at least be 8+ power because i assume there are +1 counter stuff

novel bramble
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[[Ouroboroid]] style of cards

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novel bramble
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Thats an extreme example

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but that kind of synergy

warped flare
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because sultai doesnt have double strike in its colour identity, i sometimes like to run equipments for the surprise double damage

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yeah, that one is going to win you the game without commander

novel bramble
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On the contrary, you wanna copy it with commander

warped flare
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i honest dont think the deck need hardenscale btw

novel bramble
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You also don't have to

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Since the commander stays as a 7 power creature

warped flare
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power matter is definitely a good theme

novel bramble
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[[Cold-eyed selkie]] is another example

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warped flare
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there is the bant legendary that somewhat do something similar, i remember it has etb and attack trigger, that turns another creature into a 1/1 or a 7/7 and is a 7/7 itself

warped flare
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ohhhh guess what

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SAGAS

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you can turn it into specific saga creatures and skip to the chapter you want

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[[power conduit]] and play around with adding/removaing counter

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warped flare
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there is the black saga that chapter 2 has "when this deals combat damage, that player lose the game"

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and since it gains that ability, i think the time stamp should work

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flying trample/unblockable should do it

novel bramble
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Oh yeah, [[Primal odin]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/121/summon:-primal-odin

Summon: Primal Odin <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment Creature โ€” Saga Knight
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I โ€” Gungnir โ€” Destroy target creature an opponent controls.
II โ€” Zantetsuken โ€” This creature gains "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game."
III โ€” Hall of Sorrow โ€” Draw two cards. Each player loses 2 life.
The elder primal Odin has returned to Eorzea.
5/3

warped flare
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if you already have a lore counter than why not

novel bramble
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I guess having some ways to move counters around would make it so you have the right lore chapter when you need it

warped flare
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dont even need edhrec for this commander

novel bramble
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Unless the copy works for pretty much the whole saga?

warped flare
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copy your land to dodge cyc rift is definitely my favourite interaction

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need one lore counter, copy primal odin before main phase for chapter 2, then copy unblock for the surprise one shot

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i killed someone with odin with a top deck MDFC eruption, non flying cant block this turn

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right before that elf player combo off

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the perfect timing tho, draw, move to chapter 2, oh i guess i need you to die this turn, oh and apparently i got unblockable now

novel bramble
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Yeah thats a nice interaction

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Sold, I'll work on that commander, he looks fun

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Can't play legendaries. Small obstacle

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[[Giggling Skitterspike]] oh man.

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novel bramble
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[[Bender's waterskin]] and [[Victory chimes]] are given, considering you can use his ability pretty much anytime you want

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novel bramble
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Need stuff that puts counters to what I need. Doesnt matter which counter it is

novel bramble
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[[Master Seymour]]

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novel bramble
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If I stack the triggers, Copy-Volrath puts 7 counters on Seymour, then Seymour puts 8 counters on Volrath, right?

novel bramble
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Still no clue where I'm headed, just adding interesting cards

warped flare
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the beginning of combat on repeat is nice tho

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and since you proxy cards, you can always go for the expensive soul cauldron if its not already there

novel bramble
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I think I'm at a good spot. I need to tag everything then cut just a few cards.

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I think I'll redo every global tag I did. Completely delete everything and start over. It's not a good idea to tag everything a card does.

warped flare
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i think you still want the untap druid because it can put -1 counters on itself, and with the one round cloning i would also p[ay [[wall of root]]

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warped flare
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[[toph and kiara]] is like a upgraded version of all previous counter stuff and is easy to fulfill the requirement

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No card found for โ€œtoph and kiaraโ€

warped flare
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[[kiara toph]]

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No card found for โ€œkiara tophโ€

novel bramble
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Yeah space is tight though. Ill keep it in mind

warped flare
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[[top and katara spa]]

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(โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ)โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป

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[[toph and katara]]

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if you menage to add proliferate, one of the jankiest fun interaction is

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having some old school +2 counters and stuff

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because you can end up with +3 power out of a single proliferate

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next time i see the person with that fallout golgari commander, i was going to give him that jank card

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[[saiba cryptomancer]] is a ... good card, but i never find it to be that amazing because it is a etb creature, i feel like it doesnt belong in the same deck that runs both boots and graves

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greaves

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the weird interaction would be putting a counter on someone else's piece (ex daulthi void walker) and then later copy it with commander on the following turn etc

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but i think purely for protection, i dont need more hexproof with counterspells

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after it comes out, since it didnt put the counter on itself, if it has no counters, then you cant copy it anyways

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oh wow, i actually never see [[spell rupture in a game]] and its so cheap

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warped flare
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so much better than negate

novel bramble
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I mean. Unless they pay the 7+ lol

warped flare
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if they have 7 you dont have to cast that, or you cast that, let them pay, then cast another counterspell/protection spell

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and with a power matter deck, it should easily gets over 10

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in my janks, i would easily get over 20 and probably up to 69 if the board allows my things to grow

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the only real downside is not having a creature and having to pay two mana where other counters spells are basically guarantee and as low as 1 mana

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there is a simic counterspell that puts counter on a thing you control as well as pay manax equal to power

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i think t came from the murder set

novel bramble
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Yeah its XGU. Puts counters on stuff

novel bramble
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Couple of sagas that looked nice, but since its only when you add a Lore counter it felt like a headache to prepare Volrath. Primal Odin is the exception since its so strong but still. Too many sagas also runs the risk of having to sac Volrath

warped flare
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yeah, even without the second chapter, just by copying the first chapter you get to destroy another thing

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deck is so heavy on green its like goldfishing a mono green deck lol

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if theres room in the end may consider the arcane lighthouse

novel bramble
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That or Shadowspear yeah

warped flare
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meh land doesnt take up as much room

novel bramble
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or the Enchantment that -3-3 something then removes hexproof also

warped flare
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equipment sort of spend a draw

novel bramble
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yeah I get it

warped flare
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[[nowhere is run]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/111/fr/pris-au-piรจge-(nowhere-to-run)

Pris au piรจge <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantement
Flash
Quand Pris au piรจge arrive, une crรฉature ciblรฉe qu'un adversaire contrรดle gagne -3/-3 jusqu'ร  la fin du tour.
Les crรฉatures que vos adversaires contrรดlent peuvent รชtre la cible de sorts et de capacitรฉs comme si elles n'avaient pas la dรฉfense talismanique. Les capacitรฉs de parade de ces crรฉatures ne se dรฉclenchent pas.

warped flare
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to* ialways type is

novel bramble
warped flare
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oh fuck i messed up it just enough

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i have failed succesfully

novel bramble
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Task failed successfully

warped flare
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yes that, felt like a pepega moment

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dead meme, pepega died around haylery vs trump election or something

novel bramble
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Im older than memes, you're good.

warped flare
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right i am living in the 2010 era XD where i had endless amount of time and no money to watch free shit online and play with penny bulk cards

novel bramble
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But blue and black? nah

warped flare
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yeah black has very few good stuff with that but it has gotten much better, back [[unspeakable symbol]] is what makes marchesa matter

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warped flare
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back then*

novel bramble
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Could still be relevant. I like the instant targeting of any creature.

warped flare
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ye... yeah that ~~inb4 i just like to lose all my life unresponsively/irresponsibly ~~

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lagging so much on my end

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i tyhink i have too many tabs open

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can you imagine the fun of "if you target me with that value spell, i can, and will kill myself so it loses its only target and fizzle, dont you dare fling Boo at my face"

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i dont favour tribute to the world tree here since it is triple green pips, and the draw is usually the better option. this isnt exactly a creature deck so it feels like a round about just to get initial counters on stuff, it is a maybe for me even with all the plausiblefixing

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also dont need counter on everything, just one counter on the copiable target is enough

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so nesting ground is like 2 mana for that effect on repeat

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i dont care about putting counters on like vanilla creature tokens if any

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and at 3 mana, what i really want would be static or trigger ability that i can cut into the middle of the stack for extra maximal value [[generous patron]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Not having to pay mana to put a counter on something is valuable though. I think the triple green pip is negligible considering green will be the dominant color

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I'll try to find space for three visits+natures lore too. I don't think this deck wants to cast Volrath T5 without the extra mana

novel bramble
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Ok, I'm set on the cards. Just need to cut to 100 now.

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Ended up with 110, which is quite low compared to my usual 125+ bullshit

warped flare
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my guess on the timing of the commander is T6/7+ with 1-2 ramp before then

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so if there are over 20 ramp, can probably cut down to about 18

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the second sun stuff i dont really get

novel bramble
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extra untap upkeep draw phase. Mainly untap allows me to shenanigans with Volrath

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Lots of mana + [[Freestrider Lookout]] is a ton of ramp

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature โ€” Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

warped flare
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my favourite crime machine is that phyrexian beatle

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beetle

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2 life to commit crime on a land and get up to 4 lands the same turn that comes out

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it was in my troll cirme deck coz i wanted to commit as much crime as possible,

novel bramble
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Technically, Volrath can just copy Freestrider, then copy something else. double trigger Freestrider, then redo for 2 mana

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every turn

warped flare
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but it is technically B1 power so it make itself look more threatening thn it really is, never won

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you are kinda forgetting something

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you can stay as freestrider under your NEXT turn

novel bramble
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If I have something that can trigger Freestrider for 1 mana instead every player's turn then its better

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but it's also a 3rd card

warped flare
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whats the name of that phyreixan creature

novel bramble
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The white one?

warped flare
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it has X manabp ability

novel bramble
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color?

warped flare
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you know me i dont remember white carrds mite is just a mother of rune wanna be

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technically colourless but the mana symbol puts it in black identity

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my mind always remember [[gitixian probe]] and [[noxious revival]] but i cant remember this name

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i love my ygo free spells

novel bramble
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Just went through every phyrexian black creatures and theres nothing

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[[Hex parasite]]?

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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a reason to hurt myself is always nice

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i literally told you its technically coloiurless with black identity

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lol

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yeah turn 3 freestrider up to 4 lands per rotation is broken af

novel bramble
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Yeah I thought scryfall would show me color indentity when searching for black

warped flare
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you have to pick the right option, it can search black creature or black identity

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or search colourless with specific card text

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my wifi wire just got fixed so at least i got better connection

novel bramble
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Good old north canada connection

warped flare
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north west so it works when it works, like my B2 decks

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probably US taking my signal from Canada, since they like to take everything

novel bramble
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Honestly I'm surprised Volrath is so low in the rankings compared to the other Sultai commanders

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Way too far up north, they would freeze to death

warped flare
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people dont like to think so hard about this stuff

novel bramble
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probably why we arent being invaded right now

warped flare
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from the FF equipment precon, there is a green creature that draws once per turn when your activated ability targets a creature you control

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so its like self crime?

novel bramble
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Is it a crime when you stab yourself?

warped flare
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yeah they dont invade they own state

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not yet

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depends if you are schzophinic enough i cant spell this shit

novel bramble
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Well, suicide is a crime, although its the only crime you actually don't get punished for.

warped flare
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sentence to death by life is the harshest sentence anyone can bear

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they will revive you just to torture your very existence

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#GroupHug #CanBeFun

novel bramble
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[[Madame null power broker]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Too many legendaries

warped flare
novel bramble
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Still a good card in Volrath I think

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Assisted suicide is not a crime. I've seen a couple at work

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Its hard as fuck to get accepted though

warped flare
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yeah i forgot to mention, also noticed that problem, although my build would probably keep more legendary because i am a sucker for mutate to turn things into non legend. and i would add in scute swarm combo

novel bramble
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You? Scute swarm combo?

warped flare
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but we were talking about how to determine/make suicide crimeable?

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i dont like easy way out but i would do mini stuff that doesnt say i win the game

novel bramble
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Are we talking in-game or irl?

warped flare
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and with that 2/2 insect that make copies of itself on damage it feels right to add in scute swarm for certain overlap and etb shenanigans

novel bramble
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I'm making a point to never use that boring ass card tho

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Even I have limits

warped flare
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ah that make sense

novel bramble
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Some guy made 102 Scute swarm on T4?5? in a Lumra deck. """""""""B3"""""""" btw

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We let the Azula player use the best removal on him: Player removal

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Flying murderbot doublestrike illegal steroid buffs to one-shot the Lumra

warped flare
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the reason why i consider scute here is because i can do weird mutate on it as well as the elemental [[risen rift]] triggers

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for โ€œrisen riftโ€

warped flare
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fuk i am looking at the name and still named it wrong [[risen reef]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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reef sound too close to rift stupid language

novel bramble
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Your fault for speaking English

warped flare
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i want a refund ๐Ÿ˜ญ

novel bramble
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We, refined individuals from the east, speak to each other in the tongue of Kings; Canadian French

warped flare
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well shit

novel bramble
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Which is the equivalent of Boston english, but french

warped flare
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basically not french but also cant be fully canadian

novel bramble
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Independance is still a long lost dream

warped flare
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idk much about politics irl but its probably more of a disadvantage that independance is only used as a bargining chip rather than the autal means

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ofc thats more of an educated guess to my knowledge which is very little for anything outside of my expertises

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neither do i really care

novel bramble
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Nah don't worry, the dream is dead. Especially with the Orange turd downstairs.
We lost the referendum 49%-51% years ago. This was the only time we couldve become a country. Foul play from the Prime Minister Jean Chrรฉtien at the time, yes, but ours did some heavy damage with the speech he did when we lost.

warped flare
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i expect there to be more cons than pros in general for majority of those who claim for independence

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orange turd ๐Ÿคฃ going with that from now on

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my turd is orange, so it jammed my entirer sewage system from below

novel bramble
warped flare
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are red necks kinda like the gingers to red heads

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the difference between hot and not

novel bramble
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At least they don't wear red caps

warped flare
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but i like red D:

novel bramble
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Very cute indeed

warped flare
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well i prefer more like plain and simple, maybe like pokemon ash kechum hat

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i do want to build a series of decks that is based on existing political government

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voting mechanic = demoncracy for example

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emperor dictatorship maybe straight forward as well

novel bramble
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[[Tivit seller of secrets]] nothing like Democracy where they lose no matter which choice they take

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/10/tivit-seller-of-secrets

Tivit, Seller of Secrets <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature โ€” Sphinx Rogue
Flying, ward mana3
Council's dilemma โ€” Whenever Tivit enters or deals combat damage to a player, starting with you, each player votes for evidence or bribery. For each evidence vote, investigate. For each bribery vote, create a Treasure token.
While voting, you may vote an additional time. (The votes can be for different choices or for the same choice.)
6/6

warped flare
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i wanted the simic elf one

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and then the rigged cards in the 99 like additional vote

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or incentive to share the same vote as you

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but comrade some other concept are harder

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technically equal but some are more equal, with like that Join Force mechanic

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i think i would have most fun with ararchy XD as a rakdos lover

novel bramble
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Can't play a voting system without that red card that deals damage to the others

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Whats the name again

warped flare
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didnt grasp from that detail [[goblin game]][[life bidding]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for โ€œlife biddingโ€

novel bramble
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They vote for silence, snitch or something

warped flare
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ooooh

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[prisoner dilema]] psychogy term

novel bramble
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Yes that one

warped flare
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[[prisoner dilemma]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/34/prisoners-dilemma

Prisoner's Dilemma <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each opponent secretly chooses silence or snitch, then the choices are revealed. If each opponent chose silence, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 4 damage to each of them. If each opponent chose snitch, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 8 damage to each of them. Otherwise, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 12 damage to each opponent who chose silence.
Flashback mana5manarmanar

warped flare
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i seen it played two times (i didnt pick it up because it was over price and over hyped but definitely fun to have)

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people dont understand it and do it wrong/back ward

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its fun to explain the scenario from a psychological stance point but it increase the game time , and the outcome is still kinda random

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i feel like its more of a B1 or B2 card unless there is some crazy synergy with it

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i would politely call the players "uneducated fucks" and let everyone laugh it off with this type of social causal card XD

novel bramble
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Triple the damage the card does and fun ensues I guess

warped flare
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as a Canadian, the best we can say sometimes is "Pardon my fucks"

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if it is sure kill

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then it defeat the purpose of the card tho

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because that choice no longer matters of they are all force to minimize their lost

novel bramble
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4 damage is easy to convince everyone to just vote silence

warped flare
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yeah, you need the betrayer* at the table

novel bramble
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when it jumps to 8-12 it becomes tempting to snitch

warped flare
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how to stir up the potd is the key

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it doesnt jump to 8

novel bramble
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Mono red chaos works fine

warped flare
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its 4 or 8 or 12

novel bramble
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Double damage is 8/16/24 yes

warped flare
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then it depends on the timing

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if life total is low, they may no longer have a choic

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as well as boardstate who is in a good position

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and how the table thinks for themselve or group think

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i know people who play lot of what i call "selfish cards/selfish decks"

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i know full well they arent someone who will put their life on the line for others

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unless they have a common interest or archenemy

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so in my case, if i can play that card, i think that chaos is well controlled and the outcome is actually 85% predictable in my suitable deck

novel bramble
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Welp sleep time. ttyl

warped flare
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ttyl

warped flare
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also forgot the most missed text "otherwise, P's D (ONLY) deals 12 dmg to each one who stayed silent"

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its a guessing game/chicken game among the players

novel bramble
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Toph won tonight. I was able to triple Brisly bill before my turn, triple him again and wipe out existence itself.

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It was such a sticky board too. Everything had hexproof due to Tomik and Ashaya, and even a farewell wouldve kept half my board on the field. Very resilient deck

novel bramble
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Final cut for now

warped flare
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any weakness on toph? my side is too laggy to goldfish that deck rightnow, so i will just do guesstimate when i can

novel bramble
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Flying is a big weakness

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I just have no tools to deal with it. Not a lot of lifegain either

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Not a ton of draw

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I wanna put more Earthbending effect in, either from doubling's Toph's effect or via good Earthbenders

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And more type-changing effects so I can earthbend Toph and important pieces

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Like Ashaya

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Maybe add in some landfall goodies like [[Greensleeves maro sorcerer]] and Gruul Omnath

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Because Offensively the deck is so-so

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Without Brisly Bill it wouldve been death by a thousand cuts

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There's some goodies in the sideboard I wanna try out, check the X2 cards

warped flare
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toaster*

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i think lot of my deck has weak defense so maybe i can take something away from naya Toph, I am making more adjustment to my cloud precon and converting the whole deck into Tifa focus, so i may have to cut Cloud at some point

novel bramble
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No problems lol, I havent worked on any deck since either. Wasnt able to go to my Lgs

warped flare
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yeah thats the worse of brewing too many decks and getting too many new cards you never played before

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not enough games and sample size from testing/just having fun in general

novel bramble
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I ended up shelving the deck after 3 very bad experiences in a row

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it just wasnt performing at all, and everytime Eriette was off the board I got blasted asap before I could recast her

warped flare
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XD rip

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i think my decks from the past 3 years can all function without commander in play

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the idea behind it wasnt meant to be efficient but sometimes, sometimes when your commander gives "false info" to the table, they may disregard what could be hiding in your hand

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so instead of enhancing the deck with monolith commander and the 99, its more about branching off to more unexpected build around that no one sees coming, and the element of surprise works to my advantage more often than not

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[[Eriette charmed apple]] never had much appeal to me

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Looking weak while building up the kill works very often Ive seen

warped flare
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well, i think the thing about lot of my deck is that not only do i look weak

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but i am in fact weak

novel bramble
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Queen Marchesa works like that too, you dont seem to do much and then you just turn the tables and win

warped flare
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pauper and prEDH are the ones i havent been able to attempt with much success

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but my own decks are usually very low budget

novel bramble
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Nonetheless I like Monolith commanders. Building around a Commander is fun to me

warped flare
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[[rakdos the deflier]] i think i hardly won with this deck but i fucking love it

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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perhaps i will find a new way to build around it as a secret commander now that earthbending is a thing in the 99

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the spider that force everything to attack maybe a potential candidate but not my initial thought

novel bramble
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I<d look at a couple of new Strixhaven cards. Whats the prepared one that can use Pox^

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Its liliana I think^

warped flare
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but its basically one of the commanders i have played that serves as the "KOS" and catch the "most attention" yet so weak and misread power from everyone i played with

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its more like "flying 7/6, you cannot attack with this creature without lowkey kingmaking/ dethroning"

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but opponent reads it as "if this thing comes in my direction and i cant prevent this trample flying nearly if not semi unblockable combat damage, i will lose 99%"

novel bramble
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Oh btw: [[Erode]] Budget Path to Exile lol

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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oh nice i havent looked at much spoilers

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i love when i can use cards on myself too

novel bramble
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Oh man, lots of good cards coming

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[[Fix Whats Broken]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i wouldnt really use it along with path unless intent to use it on a token or something

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white cards

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pay X life is automatically broken

novel bramble
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Recurring Reanimate is good for you?

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[[Grave Researcher]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/sos/85/grave-researcher-reanimate

Grave Researcher <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature โ€” Troll Warlock
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. Then if there are three or more creature cards in your graveyard, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
3/3

Reanimate manab
Sorcery
Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. You lose life equal to that card's mana value.

warped flare
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although orzhove dont really self mill that well

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nah, i hardly play reanimate

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i am a dummy who just ramp all my way up to hard cast [[it that betrays]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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twice in the same deck

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and then not have a way to force sacrifice XD

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it was a simic deck afterall

warped flare
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but the last time i saw a planeswalker in a game is like only that super friends precon

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and maybe the delirium deck

novel bramble
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[[Pox Plague]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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very very niche

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as much as i love symetrical effect this could be a hit or miss for me

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i play mostly 2 +colour decks

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and dont own urborg level of fixing

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and then when i go to build a mono colour deck

novel bramble
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Yeah but

warped flare
#

it play all the mono colour cards i cant fit in the other decks

novel bramble
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its not "Nonland permanents"

warped flare
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so its very tight for cuts

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yeah i am aware

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i read "pox" and "Each player" and i dont need to read more to know the rest

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[[small pox]] [[Pox]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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idk if i owned smallpox but i think i played it once around 10 years ago

novel bramble
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New smallpox art is insane

warped flare
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early its just miserable, mid game it hurt whoever is behind, late game it is kinda insignificant

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Pox i never experienced or played

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would need proxy for that one

novel bramble
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Nah, new card has Pox attached to it

warped flare
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so the "big" pox is a nice call back but the play pattern...

novel bramble
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Im still searching for her

warped flare
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half life = cant kill, half discard/half sac only works on somewhat combo-ish, midrange/control players

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so its 5 mana to do a bunch of things but very much the definition of jacks of all trades

novel bramble
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such fucking good art

warped flare
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unless you do [[waste not]] [[sephiroth, fable solider]] [[mayhem devil]] or lot of those good payoff value stuff

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for โ€œsephiroth, fable soliderโ€

warped flare
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big pox is really not getting much on its own

novel bramble
#

[[Stensian Sanguinist]] not the one I was looking for but a recurring Exsanguinate is terrifying lol

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/soc/29/stensian-sanguinist-exsanguinate

Stensian Sanguinist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature โ€” Vampire Cleric
Whenever you attack, target creature gains deathtouch until end of turn. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player this combat, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/2

Exsanguinate manaxmanabmanab
Sorcery
Each opponent loses X life. You gain life equal to the life lost this way.

warped flare
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yeah, i think prepare is nice and all

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but for efficiency and just raw power

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they are basically all slower versions of their previous counterpart

#

[[!exsanguinate]] when do you want this card in a game

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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probably not opening hand for sure, assume it is in the deck because you can ramp a lot and make X lethal either by a low paced slow game or have some form of life gain synergy

novel bramble
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I mean If you end up with the creature in your opening hand you don't mind playing it on curve

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thats the point of these prepared cards

warped flare
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consider the "avg" speed and turn count of a game, it is not a full finisher unless you have a "combo" deck to make near infinite mana

novel bramble
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Besides, someone can 1-1 a 2 mana dude for all I care

warped flare
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yeah so you basically turn exsanguinate into a lesser dead card by playing it as an early creature

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so prepare is irrelevant here because you have it revealed to the table

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and then its the combination of a spell and a creature, other than the part that it is not "blockable" to get countered

novel bramble
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If you wanna make some jank out of it, know that prepared spells are spells cast from Exile

warped flare
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a repeatible X spell is worse than most other utility spells because you would not want to skip every turn just to recast it unless it is a win con at that point

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so my evaluation here is not that exsanguinate is bad but rather its not a spell i want to cast on repeat, revealed too early

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or just exsanguinate being too generic/boring of a spell for certain decks i want to play it in to begin with

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the higher power decks would want minimal and most efficient spells

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having another attacking creature and two extra mana before getting out the "surprise" exsan is a downside

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it is more interesting than just an uninteractable game ending antidramatic sorcery

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but overall this type of spell actually feels more like a nerf than a buff

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just to increase the overlap and creature count in the deck

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if you have [[talrand sky summon]] or that dimir nezgul so the deck cares more about noncreature spells. the value of repeatable spells increase

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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or the synergy for cleric for Party

novel bramble
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Zuko will also like these cards

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since its cast from Exile

warped flare
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yeah, its to create overlaps

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as a pure X spell Exsanguinate, it is just worse

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wasted mana

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extra hoops to jumb through

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so i think it is more of a fun lower bracket card

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to make exsang more bearable