but BM connection if i just want that safety net in case things gets destroyed, more value, good stuff
#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
it is rarely going to stop someones extra turn to be classific as disruption
[[rune of mortality]] is also pretty bad when there are no additional rune support, equipments for it to stay around, or synergy with deathtouch pinging stuff down
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[bolas citadel]] is kinda whatever in here, because it is usually a lot more threatening when played in a deck
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.
, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents: Each opponent loses 10 life.
warped flare
in here it is not as big of a threat but more so for card advantage
[[starfield mystic]] i dont like too much at first but i guess it did end up being one of the better ramp in here
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Human Cleric
Enchantment spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Whenever an enchantment you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
"The realm of the gods opens before me!"
2/2
warped flare
not sure when you added in [[vizkopa guildmage]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Human Wizard
: Target creature gains lifelink until end of turn.
: Whenever you gain life this turn, each opponent loses that much life.
2/2
warped flare
too bad this needs a mountain [[chained to rocks]] is such a flavourful card
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
between starfield mystic, i think [[hero of iroas]] is slightly worse?
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Human Soldier
Aura spells you cast cost less to cast.
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
"My left has felled a cyclops. My right has slain a giant. I bring both to every fight."
2/2
warped flare
still no [[flickering ward]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
As this Aura enters, choose a color.
Enchanted creature has protection from the chosen color. This effect doesn't remove this Aura.
: Return this Aura to its owner's hand.
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
bit of a win more card
overall, i dont think none of the cards in here is any idssue, lot of preference and different route you can take
too much good stuff makes it limiting what yu can cut, or too much jank makes it harder to function when the main strategy falls apart
and i would at least want a few ways so that it is possible to search certain aura
whenever it is ramp, removal, or draw etc
i would do that over running the one ring
unless i have ways to untap an artifact
few simple reason, restrict self on powerleve, budget; more synergy around the less played card types; and heavier focus on that theme without straying around from it
keeping all the best cards probly means you have to cut the aura theme stuff like [[angelic gift]] due to lower power
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
and less relying on commander's ability
like i said ,personally, i would even cut the generous gift, utter end variant just because they are not auras
it somewhat sets the limitation of what auras can do if i ran out of ways to deal with a type that i am weak against
maybe someday down the line, wotc will print a card that say
split second
exile target permanent.
i may play it one time in a deck if i get my hands on it; but would never try to put it in every single deck
thats just so happens to what i find more fun
having "only suboptimal cards" that fits into my theme
actually i did see an aura i may not be a big fan of, [[demonic embrace]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
but on opponent's stuff it should be okay...
in the end after all the cut, if aura count is too low, feel free to remove [[rethther]] since its value also decreased
zealous ridgeBOT
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
not in here
novel bramble
Yeah theres a lot of good stuff that I had to set aside to put the self recursing + cantrips ones
I went for the double damage options instead of Exquisite/Sanguine effects in the end
Generous gift Gives me something to aura too, and I've had lots of success destroying strong lands like [[Cabal coffers]] and it's couzin
zealous ridgeBOT
Land
, : Add for each Swamp you control.
Deep within the Cabal's vault, the Mirari pulsed like a dead sun—and its darkness radiated across Otaria.
novel bramble
The new Gaia's cradle in planet form too
I used to switch Generous gift with anything else, but I've had a few matches were it was pretty good, so I'm keeping it in now.
Bolas's Citadel can be a wincon if I hit a bunch of auras with Eriette on board; plus the tapped effect is actually relevant here.
novel bramble
too bad this needs a mountain [[chained to rocks]] is such a flavourful card
[[ossification]] does the same thing
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
I decided that creatures werent the biggest problem my opponents could put, hence why I also dont have Swords and Path to Exile in the deck.
novel bramble
Shit... is there a log to see all the changes applied to a deck? Aragorn is at 99 cards and I have no idea what was removed
novel bramble
Found it
warped flare
Generous gift Gives me something to aura too, and I've had lots of success destr...
i usually only have [[ghost quarter]] 😅 my own fault for not using cabal coffers
zealous ridgeBOT
Land
: Add 
.
, Sacrifice this land: Destroy target land. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Deserted, but not uninhabited.
warped flare
targetable removals like beast within and elephant
but on the other hand, my (stronger) LGS really only have a specific group of individuals who use cabal coffers, at which the power level often becomes a mismatch and have some stompy games
and the worst experience with land destruction basically means in general, cabal is almost like half a step into the "unwritten" GC list. so i dont see it often anymore
my group hug storm deck maybe responsibe for the worst "stax" experience for the table
😅
land destruction wasnt at my table so i dont know the details; only know it had happened
warped flare
The new Gaia's cradle in planet form too
not sure about those, dont have any to test, havent seen many used in games either
novel bramble
i usually only have [[ghost quarter]] 😅 my own fault for not using cabal coffer...
Get [[Demolition field at least my man]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
because unlike crew, doing it at sorcery speed means no agency and a major loss of boardstate to block with after your turn, if not set up early, or instantly late game
novel bramble
[[Demolition field]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That land's controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
warped flare
i have only one copy of that
so it was used in the stronger deck
and it has the secret political aspect of it
can you guess it
novel bramble
No
warped flare
also i like the one that gives the entire table lands
since the basic they search enters uptapped
if there is a common enemy, or you want to give out a favour
destroying that land on his turn will ramp that player by 1 mana
while you have to use 3 mana to get back one, it is always net neg2
rare case, but you can check if they have a boardwipe, give that extra mana and let them cast it
warped flare
[[ossification]] does the same thing
mythology makes it more flavourful
warped flare
Shit... is there a log to see all the changes applied to a deck? Aragorn is at 9...
the long deck history
which i think archidekt is more user friendly on
or at least visually
novel bramble
Yeah its not perfect. I cant see what i moved from main to side
warped flare
🐟 🧠
use memory
just download more ram if not enough space
i have no records of my decks from the past 8+ years
https://archidekt.com/decks/15863294/past_commanders_and_fun_cards made this recently, still trying to find all the commanders i had tried
a few i stopped after a quick look, but most of which i have played or built with cards i had
very few white cards, i am sure i will find the rest to put in eventually
novel bramble
Once the deck is printed and sleeved I can visually remember whats in it, but not when it's on Moxfield where everything is changing around
untold nymph
Far too few lands. I would recommend running 42 lands instead of just 35.
novel bramble
Welp, I decided to print 5 decks. I learned that I could only print up to 612 cards with MPC fill, so with the tokens and a few upgrade to other decks I didnt have enough space for 6 whole decks
I ended up cutting Muerra
warped flare
should have skipped the tokens smh
alreadu forgot who is Muerra
[[muerra
[[muerra]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Raccoon Warrior
At the beginning of your first main phase, add 
or 
for each Raccoon you control.
Whenever you expend 4, you gain 3 life. (You expend 4 as you spend your fourth total mana to cast spells during a turn.)
Whenever you expend 8, exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
2/4
novel bramble
should have skipped the tokens smh
Ive made custom Cabbage tokens, and the art for tokens is much more varied than what Wizard usually has.
warped flare
but it was 612
you dont have to print every basics too
rn i am trying to put together a sleeveless low budget [[Doc aurlock grizzled genius]] deck
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Bear Druid
Spells you cast from your graveyard or from exile cost less to cast.
Plotting cards from your hand costs less.
"Learning stops only when you close your mind off to wonder."
2/3
warped flare
so that the total deck price will be under a certain limit
although the original thing was a $50 charity tourney based around ante cards
abrev as Trash Ante
simic do cover for lot of the weakness in low budget since every card is like a card draw
as simple as [[think twice]] actually put less effort into storming off?
zealous ridgeBOT
Instant
Draw a card.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"Either I know just the spell I need, or I'm about to."
warped flare
but how to get a board state / build a green storm deck is still a challenge
spellslinger simic is the goal
novel bramble
you dont have to print every basics too
They're the best art. Every deck has about 12 sideboard cards that I also print "in case" too.
novel bramble
rn i am trying to put together a sleeveless low budget [[Doc aurlock grizzled ge...
Isnt that all your decks?
Anyway, does plotting matter?
warped flare
Isnt that all your decks?
i do have sleeves, just because those were penny sleeves they are not as cheap as sleeveless
warped flare
Anyway, does plotting matter?
if the card is cheap enough
your proxies will probably be more expensive than that deck :p
novel bramble
Debatable, since all 612 card cost me 260$ and thats with 58$ of shipping
novel bramble
[[Mister Negative]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Looks fun
Just having him in the Command zone seems disturbing for your opponents
The implication of what he can do once he hit the field is a special unwritten power that makes it fun to me
fallen sinew
You've got a lot of vampires that don't add to the idea of the deck. [[Blood Seeker]] [[Blood Artist]] [[Creeping bloodsucker]] and [[Orcish Bowmasters]] Add nothing to the deck other than being cheep, and even less so with Bowmasters seeing as it is not ever a vampire. I know he's not a vampire but I would suggest [[Gonti Night Minister]] since he loves theft stuff. [[Reflections of Littjara]] and [[Kindred Discovery]] could also be nice to add on.
Well that is my two cents and hopefully that helps.
warped flare
Debatable, since all 612 card cost me 260$ and thats with 58$ of shipping
i do plan on using like 85% free cards i got so as long as the good cards are something i dont mind without sleeves, it will be trash budget
warped flare
[[Mister Negative]]
yeah i saw the eps from command zone game knight and it does play like i expected, probaly one of the most interesting one from spiderman
[[rakdos showstopper]] has like a similar effect in the command zone, but this one is even harder to react to
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
yeah i saw the eps from command zone game knight and it does play like i expecte...
Yeah I did too. Great game that showed most commanders strong points.
Besides that, I wanna make an Esper deck and a Dimir deck
warped flare
esper imo is the grosses colour combination if maximized, but without tutoring, it would be more interesting side of dimir artifact
overall still going to be heavy control
warped flare
[[rent is due]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
a weird part i didnt mention is probably how i like when the table doesnt know certain card and want to play those themselves. i prefer low budget that are assessible by casual players and sometimes trade away almost anything in my own 99
so i feel like if i am to proxy, it has to be cards that are special enough that i either want more copies of; not something i want to trade the original away, something i cant get myself one or completely unique art that fits my taste with the flavour of the deck. The proxy has to be quite special to match all those criterias
novel bramble
[[Doctor octopus, master planner]] [[vren the relentless]] [[the scarab god]] for dimir and [[aminatou veil piercer]] [[temmet naktamuns will]] [[kamiz obscura oculus]] [[jin sakai ghost of tsushima]] for esper. Those are the interesting ones to me. I try not to pick top ten commanders in their colors but some are just really interesting
warped flare
[[Doctor octopus, master planner]] [[vren the relentless]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Rat Rogue
Ward
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
At the beginning of each end step, create X 1/1 black Rat creature tokens with "This token gets +1/+1 for each other Rat you control," where X is the number of creatures that were exiled under your opponents' control this turn.
3/4
warped flare
those tokens are so strong they are like [[construct]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
i wonder if it can become a [[gyruda, ]]deck [[extinction event]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Demon Kraken
Companion — Your starting deck contains only cards with even mana values. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for 
as a sorcery.)
When Gyruda enters, each player mills four cards. Put a creature card with an even mana value from among the milled cards onto the battlefield under your control.
6/6
warped flare
https://scryfall.com/card/spm/128/doctor-octopus-master-planner
the villian anthem on dr octo is something i am not sure how effective it is due to the amount of newer card with the type. 7 drop in commander is kind of challenging to get out since there is no guarantee there will be enough mana acceleration to get it out couple turns earlier. even when you do, it doesnt have a etb to immediately get a payoff. it feels kinda like [[kozi, great distortion]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
in fact i can see you wanting that in the deck?
it has a much clearer direction where you maybe doing mayhem things that will get yourself to hellbent mode or draw 6-7 cards
almost fit the control strategy playing counterspells with [[chimil the inner sun]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
or if you do few counterspell i can see the use of
[[lier disciple of drowned ]] maybe [[nezahal primal tide]]
warped flare
the black identity side and villian tribal is what i want to explore more into
[[catalyst stone]] looks janky without luer in the commander zone
zealous ridgeBOT
Artifact
Flashback costs you pay cost less.
Flashback costs your opponents pay cost more.
The gems' incandescence invades the dreams of all who see them.
warped flare
scarab god is more self explanatory but the instant speed draw past play style do open up options [[aminatou veil piercer]] [[temmet naktamuns will]] [[kamiz obscura oculus]] [[jin sakai ghost of tsushima]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 2. (Look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
Each enchantment card in your hand has miracle. Its miracle cost is equal to its mana cost reduced by 
. (You may cast a card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)
2/4
warped flare
temmet has a whole precon and lot of esper zombie support with a clear focus on card draw. it feels a bit easier to build but more effort to optimize with all sort of [[knowledge is power]] stuff
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
aminatou is so intersting it can probably be talked about all day, saga has an interesting interaction, any form of top deck manipulation of choice. i think not having top deck revealed with lantern will make the miracle much more thematic but giving "free" information is also going to mess with your opponent's plan
or even just a high density of enchantment so you can really feel the gambling/ miracle top deck experience without controlling your future with exactly what to put on top
enchantment that say surveil are easy include there
the case that can copy creature spell would be jankier
warped flare
https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/3/kamiz-obscura-oculus
POWER MATTERS aggro in esper, that is one of a kind, iirc, there are like 0 sultai colour identity cards that can give double strike. so the white part of this commander really stands out
first creature gets big, second creature hits twice, again tons of options for how open ended things could be
leaning toward the value play ofc
maybe many hidden gem if you explore deep into the barrel
the last one i hardly recognize
it can probably go into the 99 as well
it almost say "exalt" on it but its kinda "melee"
standoff is obviously stronger but that means ghost will need to be covered first
blue can do that as low as a single mana
aura to avoid paying more in the future
or single use spells works too
the fact it can be done up to 3 times per turn is really interesting
value train is going strong
not sure what the rest of the deck should be since other than small evasive creatures, combat triggers, the 60-70ish minus lands cards can be spellslinging, control, combat tricks
i think combat trick would be cool here since it is completely unique in esper
AND, because that is an attack trigger ability that doesnt say target, you can actually put greave on it
[[neurok stealthsuit]] too
zealous ridgeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
: Attach this Equipment to target creature you control.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
warped flare
i think 6/10 times, if the opponent has a creature thats not for chump blocking, they will not block to deny your 2 card draws.
so you dont actually need too much [[bedlam]] in the 99
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
you are trying to be red without playing red
🤔
esper double strike/miracle > dimir card draw mid range> go wide tribal would be how i rate what seems to be more unique
warped flare
is this a card you ever considered [[exclusion ritual]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
oh and for the apple there is an overcosted fun curse [[curse of misfortunes]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
the villian anthem on dr octo is something i am not sure how effective it is due...
Yeah I think this will be more of a control deck that can empty its hand fast. Lots of interaction, lots of board wipes. Win through something something (I'll think about it)
[[Hullbreaker]] and such
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
For the rest, its a tossup between Aminatou, Jin and Kamiz. Temmet is the most meh in the lot for me, and the rest are super interesting. I had already seen a Phyrexian proliferation decklist for Kamiz which was super themeful. Jin is similar to Kamiz so its a tossup between the two
Btw, another LGS, more Queen wins. I'm now at 10/4 with the deck
warped flare
For the rest, its a tossup between Aminatou, Jin and Kamiz. Temmet is the most m...
yeah temmet is meh for me too, never big in zombies
you should try other akido cards lol
some are so bad i dont dare to play
novel bramble
Jin looks to work well with combat damage (duh) cards. Ninjas seems an easy way to build him, so is equipment. I feel like I need at least one copy of him on board to trigger his ability twice, and he also work well with [[Delney streetwise]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
delney is just OP
warped flare
[[$roaming throne]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[$delney streetwise lookout]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
I got 2 real Delneys
One I bought and the other I won in a promo pack. My first ever promo pack actually.
I also got a Godless shrine in a promo pack last LGS. Feels nice
warped flare
i have a godless shrine i hardly ever play 😅
warped flare
https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/84/rootwater-shaman is this interesting
warped flare
does this count as tutoring [[Fervent mastery]] XD
zealous ridgeBOT
Sorcery
You may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
If the cost was paid, an opponent discards any number of cards, then draws that many cards.
Search your library for up to three cards, put them into your hand, shuffle, then discard three cards at random.
warped flare
the gamble theme deck
this weird card is something i want to play[[leave// chance]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Instant
Return any number of target permanents you own to your hand.
Chance
Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards.
warped flare
a game where everything goes everywhere [[confusion in the rank]] all day
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
overall i would want to do gambling with [[flub the fool]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
I've seen a chaos Flubs deck, its quite infuriating to play vs
guy dropped a bloodmoon t2
I was lucky enough to have a Mana dork on board and win but the other 2 couldnt play at all
ANyway, Queen is 10/5 now. Lost vs a voltron of all things lol. He had 2 protection cards in hand
novel bramble
We both did
And I realized I shouldnt have died there. I forgot Maze of ith prevented combat damage for the whole turn
He had 3 combat phases
novel bramble
Feelsbadman. I really hate missing crucial stuff that changes the whole game. I would've won afterwards since I had more aikido pieces in hand. I just didnt have the mana at that time, and he wouldve needed something for my Maze of Ith
warped flare
~~inb4 maze of ith becomes the next GC cards ~~ XD
i think it lowkey deserves to be a GC because in B2, there are too few ways to destroy lands. one time i pulled off [[doppelgang]] on an opponent's maze of ith X = 3
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
i was 1 mana off from X = 4
where i would probably just win the game instead
my own deck has no way of winning with my board, but my opponents got like $100 worth of good stuff
[[$maze of ith]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
okay its just a bit over $10s
novel bramble
Card is less insane when you realize that it doesnt tap for mana
So you take a hit on your ramp to get a pillowfort card
ofc you can run a yavimaya or urborg, but still not a card you wanna tap for mana most of the time anyway
warped flare
it doesnt count as a land in the 99
its more like a indestructible artifact with a fog effect once per turn
and since land drop isnt ramp, its not a hit to take unless you didnt play enough lands to begin with
novel bramble
Well it count as a land for your 1 land per turn, which means you're not playing a real land on that turn AKA you're behind in mana.
I'm making a list for this dude, I waneted to make a sort of control / pillowfort deck with 0 lifegain (In fact, I'll be playing a ton of self drain effect)
I'm missing crucial cards I know, but I'm drawing a massive blank on a couple names
like the one that draw cards when you lose life
[[Vilis broker of blood]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying
, Pay 2 life: Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
Whenever you lose life, draw that many cards. (Damage causes loss of life.)
"You can sign, or you can spend your life imagining what might have been yours."
8/8
novel bramble
had to say it for it to suddenly appear in my head
I wanna play tons of interactions, and a lot more boardwipes than usual
Blinks and ETBs too
Maybe a bit of aikido
ofc it will not fit, so I'll have to choose what I really want
warped flare
Well it count as a land for your 1 land per turn, which means you're not playing...
effect wise, dont count maze as a land, land drop is the sacrifice to play it sort of like "
you may play this on your turn and no other lands can be played this turn"
having a land in the 99 usually refers to something that can tap for mana and doesnt die to mass removal. so i find it hard to have it in the actual land count
warped flare
I'm making a list for this dude, I waneted to make a sort of control / pillowfor...
what if you can gain your opponent's life 🤔
if there is no life gain effect, it may become a burn yourself [[repay in kind]] style deck
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
I'm making a list for this dude, I waneted to make a sort of control / pillowfor...
extort, lifelink are all life gains <.<
the moment you put on swift boot on commander to swing, chances is that you will gain some life back
and closet still takes off the boots lmao
😒
as i speak i saw the soul stone
i guess i am going to see it in all your decks now
from this point on
anyways, i think you can consider[[veilstone amulet]] if you want to go heavy interaction
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[snuff out]] and got double duty out of it
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
and this thing can "akido" some target remove onto your opponents creatures because they think your open mana will give hexproof
and since they dont want you to give them the lowlife total, the likelyhood of attacks coming your way already decrease
for that reason, i think it is good to test without certain protection staples just to see how much damage will come your way
white dont need this type of flicker but i will mention it [[voyager staff]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: Exile target creature. Return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
Voyager staffs are sought by those hoping to find an escape from the sprawling glut of Ravnica.
warped flare
again, something that is revealed on board
will again mess with the opponents decision on whenever you will do something to them
it is obviously worse than [[emphmerate]] but
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
the modal aspect and having it out could be interesting to the state of the game
novel bramble
White got way too many good flickering
warped flare
[[planar guide]] is something that can flicker the entire board and not many knows of
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Human Cleric
, Exile this creature: Exile all creatures. At the beginning of the next end step, return those cards to the battlefield under their owners' control.
"Every moment has its own savior."
1/1
warped flare
its probably best in preston the rabbit
i just sort of like the effect on the game when a [[devin's veto]] is revealed and everyone has to find ways to play around it
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
no matter how many time i look at voice of victory, it looks so much like something used in combo decks
its that last stax piece to ensure the combo happens
so much life gain...
other than wall of blood, i hardly see many ways to lower your own life. i imagine this is the place to run many off colour fetches
[[axis of mortality]] is like the suckish on-theme card that i expectt you would cut
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
would be nice to keep but in todays magic its too damn slow
novel bramble
other than wall of blood, i hardly see many ways to lower your own life. i imagi...
Look again lol
novel bramble
You realize that these assemblies that I do are just a brainstorm of ideas? I don't intend on having all these lifegain cards in the main deck.
novel bramble
Doesnt mean that because there are lifegain cards that ita the plan im going for. I'm just putting everything that could be interesting to the deck in a moxfield list before making the real deck
warped flare
[[phyrexian devour]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
wrong name
the thing with menance that resemble k'rrik but only works for first mana for creature cast
novel bramble
Anyway gtg ttyl
warped flare
[[sign in blood]] [[shock]] is a win con
warped flare
[[[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Angel
Rather than pay for each previous time you've cast this spell from the command zone this game, pay 2 life that many times.
Flying, lifelink
Whenever a player casts a spell, they lose 2 life.
5/5
warped flare
[[rug of smoothering]] time
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[well of lost dream]] may be okay if there are less powerful cards
zealous ridgeBOT
Artifact
Whenever you gain life, you may pay 
, where X is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained. If you do, draw X cards.
Some say the knowledge lost during the Ritual of Rebuking is returned through the well's waters.
warped flare
i think if i build this, i would put the self restriction where every card has to say the word "life" on it somewhere
and the meanest thing is always that [[sorin marlov]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
if build around the idea f [[near death experience]], countless ways to stay alive with 1 life, that would be very unique game play
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[restoration magic]] says gain life and [[blacksmith skill]] doesnt
zealous ridgeBOT
Instant
Tiered (Choose one additional cost.)
• Cure — 
— Target permanent gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
• Cura — — Target permanent gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn. You gain 3 life.
• Curaga — — Permanents you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn. You gain 6 life.
warped flare
i wonder how many game changers say "life" on it, i guess there is always Tpro and the ring
novel bramble
https://moxfield.com/decks/FSk35e8rUkaM58G8ZmtJBw Real deck, currently building
This is the version I'd prefer you comment on
I always go in that order btw:
-Draw
-Ramp
-Interaction
-Boardwipes
-The rest of the fucking owl
-Lands
novel bramble
Main draft done, cutting time.
warped flare
🤞 impress me 👀
novel bramble
I doubt thats possible with our difference in deck building
But hey, I'm playing white without the usual draw package for white! Thats something lol
warped flare
nah surprise jank and cohesive brew arent the same thing
your decks got that consistency in general
weird ass new cards [[Morlun, Devourer of Spiders]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
dont know what to do with this because its like a green big beater
and a red burn ability
that immediate gain life upon enter
novel bramble
I think the counters are useless on him. I do like the second effect though
warped flare
its a exsanguate that cannot be counterspelled by Negate
novel bramble
single target exan yes
warped flare
without a way to bounce it, i think it s jsut a flexible green creature
novel bramble
Yeah, I think he's good here
warped flare
[[villainous wrath]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
with 10 BWs, i think there will be very few creatures on board unless someone go near infinite token strategy
the potential burn is there
personally i favour the white side more for mass removal
novel bramble
White is white
warped flare
ohhh thats what that card is, i 've been staring at the [[tragic arrogance]] art not knowing what it does
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
But I like the damage still. Some decks rebuild so fast after a wipe that I think this can work
Yeah its the Kefka art
warped flare
i think its worth trying at the very least
novel bramble
Knowing the lore this fits pretty well... Ish
warped flare
i usually aim for lowest cost [[split up]] [[slaughter the stronger]] etc
novel bramble
Yeah I thought of them but It feels stuck in hand if Negative is on board
StS I mean
warped flare
as a meta-game pick if i ever play against you, i would be using [[martyr's cry]] and watch that onesided boardwipe
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Please do lol. I love drawing cards
warped flare
yes, i love me some [[underworld dreams]] and [[spiteful vision]] triggers and not get hated
warped flare
group hug by suffocation 💯
novel bramble
Oh yeah, I lost hard to a [[Nekusar the mindrazer]] 2 LGS ago
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
I was playing Garnet, with a very weak draw, so it was w/e
warped flare
but you basically need to know what kind of player they are
warped flare
so the base assumption is that they are a combo player
nekusar + wheel = game
but some are not so successful/jankier somehow
novel bramble
yeah thats how he won actually
Wheel and there was a double damage effect on board
2 double damage effect
4 damage per card
warped flare
yeah, i think at least 85% of the nekusar i can expect are combo deck in hindsight
the 15% just either havent drew the combo or trying to be unique
novel bramble
He played jank that you wouldve loved, like a card that lets everyone ramp+2 and him +3
warped flare
i know that green druid thingy
novel bramble
Wasnt green, unless I'm mistaking the deck
cauz he had another deck similar to that
warped flare
its actually very political and against player who are struggling with mana its a nice thing to do
but most importantly, it really brings out the selfish side of people
iirc, the wording is, when it enters... `each opponent may search/put up to 3 basics into play tapped, if they do, the first one goes to you"
so naturally its 0 or 3. a tempted offering thing
novel bramble
I didnt read the card, he said we had to
warped flare
but there are cards that can add to that such as [[gnome mancer]]
novel bramble
but thats very similar to what youve said
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Yeah, that's a white card I'm 50/50 on
when it works its wonderful
when it doesnt its a useless dude
and when its in my hand were playing a no green game
Same thing with [[Tataru taru]] actually
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
[[rootweaver druid]] was what i was talking about
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Oh yeah, thats the one
warped flare
its optional but 90% of the lower power games i play it in, i am getting the full value
novel bramble
so I was wrong, it was a different deck
novel bramble
Should be 0 tbh
those kind of cards vs good players means you get nothing
I shouldve read the card, I'm 90% sure he omitted the "May" part
warped flare
[[confounding conundrum]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
ANyway, back on Mr Negative
warped flare
<.< fine
novel bramble
40 cards to cut
novel bramble
novel bramble
Yeah I could cut, but I want at least 1-2 per game
warped flare
1 per game at minimal with good draw is like 3 in a deck, i would be aiming for 5, i think 6 is around where you can get 2 per game. so 7/8 should get you there
novel bramble
warped flare
you have freaken 18 draw in there rightnow
novel bramble
I assume that I'm ramping during the first few turns
Mr Negative's effect is not considered either, sicne I wanna wipe before he gets in
warped flare
[[infernal contract]] thats something i like hope it stays in the final version
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Oh yeah its staying
novel bramble
The draw package is the most flexible one considering that Negative can draw a million cards
warped flare
true
novel bramble
but if I had to cut I'd cut what doesnt cost life
warped flare
and there are no white draw in here XD
warped flare
[[pact weapon]] i am unsure, never used it or seen it do too much
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Every "You dont die" effect is important here I think
Because I can burn myuself to 0 then exchange life
novel bramble
So both "You don't die" effect, and blink effect, need to stay
warped flare
unless its pay 39 life
warped flare
[[unspeakable symbol]], next turn Mr negative will be so evil
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Oh yeah.
warped flare
actually you can pay to 0
you just need a lich effect to keep you alive
i can double check on that but i believe you can?
novel bramble
Oh ok, but I couldnt pay if I didnt have enough life no?
warped flare
toxic deluge can be your life total X
novel bramble
Like with Symbol, if I had 1 life, I couldnt pay the 3
warped flare
[[?toxic deluge]]
zealous ridgeBOT
If you cast Toxic Deluge without paying its mana cost, you'll still choose a value for X and pay X life. This is because it doesn't have in its mana cost.
warped flare
you cant pay MORE but you should be able to pay exact
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
hmmmm its strong, idk if it is on theme
with good draw it is never a dead card because
worst case, you can use it as a one round fog
dead card*
novel bramble
Yeah
Works to stabilize before doing my shenanigans too
Because I'll be very vulnerable
warped flare
if Tpro is sorcery speed, i feel like this sort of does the fog trick
you got life to spare
i am more interesting in how the table swings around knowing negative can swap
novel bramble
Like the command zone game
warped flare
so i think the main part is
at which point of the game do you want to play negative
novel bramble
I like the fact that his existence changes how players play
warped flare
scenario 1) archenemy ahead > lower own life > sorin the archenemy to near death
novel bramble
Thats the fun part: I can pop him anytime I want, doesnt need to be when I have the mana for it
warped flare
scenario 2) everyone is beat up at low life total, swap for some value but not much else
novel bramble
If I can burn myself to near 0, I'll always have a target with above 10 hp
very rarely are all players under 10
and, in that case my finished like Exsanguinate can finish the game
warped flare
each so its a [[sorin markov]] in the command zone
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
if no one caught on to that
novel bramble
I prefer [[Sorin of house markov]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Lifelink
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
At the beginning of each of your postcombat main phases, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, exile Sorin, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
1/4
Sorin, Ravenous Neonate
Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
+2: Create a Food token.
−1: Sorin deals damage equal to the amount of life you gained this turn to any target.
−6: Gain control of target creature. It becomes a Vampire in addition to its other types. Put a lifelink counter on it if you control a white permanent other than that creature or Sorin.
Loyalty: 3
warped flare
then they would try to lower everyone's life total but in reality, its more about lowing one person's life total, whenever it is you or not
i mean negative is that sorin markov
to do the -3 thing
novel bramble
Yeah ok
warped flare
solitary isnt a bad card in here or in most decks that lacks blockers, but
i think it is less likely for Negative to get all the aggro
because of the potentual swap
i think if for some reason, you lower your own life to [[near death experience]] range, then that protection matters
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
but all those pay 1 life effect are instant speed
which make them a bit of a 2 card combo
with no tutor, i think near-death is very on theme
but all those pay 39 life stuff do feel a bit strong now
novel bramble
No space for tutors, All the 3 GC are on theme
Bolas might be too strong though
I've seen it win games by itself
warped flare
yeah bolas is definitely a strong one, unless you wasted all your life ahead of time
stinging study paying how much
12 life?
i think bolas is basically instant win in any deck that can run it, it storm off the top deck until you hit 2 lands that turn
warped flare
5 to cast from bolas
novel bramble
I'll see anyway, no tutors for Bolas. If its too strong I'll trade it with Vampiric tutor or w/e
warped flare
there is a small chance bolas is slightly weaker if you already lost like 80% of your life when you get it
warped flare
but it is definitely one of the most on theme GC i have seen
note that T pro can be a nonbo with the "life cannot change" part
very minor but possible
novel bramble
Yeah, pretty rare
warped flare
i would be waiting for when near-death and [[phyrexian arena]] are both out, wait for the 39 life loss
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
and [[krosan grip]] to see your demise
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
I'd tap my selfburn lands in response. Take that
warped flare
as much as i love [[despark]] [[vanishing verse]] i dont think you can play all those
novel bramble
I know
warped flare
which consider section is the cut
novel bramble
All of them
warped flare
with flicker to fizzle target removal, i never have a non-budget reason to use [[rebuff the wicked]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
maybe if i ever play super friends, i would use that
novel bramble
I was thinking more for my enchantments and co
warped flare
its okay, just on the niche side, but is worth trying
novel bramble
All my "dont die effects" to be precise
warped flare
it would acts as a low cost, but a "second sopy" of the lich effect
and surprise white counterspell
i favour [[lapse of certainty]] flexility more to counter anything
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
but for your purpose, wicked do it
novel bramble
I have [[Aven interrupter]] in stead of lapse
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Bird Rogue
Flash
Flying
When this creature enters, exile target spell. It becomes plotted. (Its owner may cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost.)
Spells your opponents cast from graveyards or from exile cost more to cast.
2/2
novel bramble
yeah
novel bramble
I might put in more 2cost flicker effect
and I didnt think of it but [[Ketramose]] fits in well too
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
yeah, its a good draw
novel bramble
I don't think he'll be a creature most of the time, but the draw 1 lose 1 is nice
warped flare
havent seen that one played unfortunately
novel bramble
I had a commander deck with this dude
warped flare
its kinda obnoxious with all the exiling stuff
havent see that build, but i know farewell is in there
warped flare
XD no shit sherlock
novel bramble
I don't work on netdecks tbh
warped flare
fair
novel bramble
It was my first experience with MPCfill and Makeplaying cards so it was a test run
warped flare
i sometime use netdeck/the core to rebuildinto my liking
but since i am taking like 50 cards swap, its kinda quicker to start from scratch
and lot of those i only goldfish and not try to build in paper
i dont have enough games to test lot of legendaries and decks so...
novel bramble
I got nothing against netdecks, but making decks allowed me to read and learn a ton more cards
warped flare
just trying to learn how to create that fun experience at the table for the entire table
i know too many cards its a downside at this point
novel bramble
Since I've been playing since may, this helps me learn quicker than most
warped flare
May of 2000?
novel bramble
2025 lol
warped flare
i am confident you have 25 years of game experience even if its not magic alone
your grandgrandgrandgrandpa taught you remember
novel bramble
I used to play back in 2010-2013 but I don't remember much from back then
warped flare
<.< i am 99% self taught
novel bramble
Oh I've played Pokemon and Yugioh and Heartstone and probably other card games that I forgot
warped flare
exactly
novel bramble
Core gameplay never change
warped flare
i never played heartstone, but i seen some of it
novel bramble
and the one rule that is universal, no matter the game is "Draw is king"
novel bramble
YGO is now a solitaire game
warped flare
ygo you dont need as many draws when every thing is like a one card combo
it was solitaire 15 years ago
novel bramble
Back in my day... Old man rant
novel bramble
I stopped when Legendary Six Samurai Shi En came out
The most miserable tournament experience of my life
novel bramble
In my 20's still calm down
warped flare
the REAL salty stuff comes after 6 sam
novel bramble
I know I kept with the news
warped flare
at least in my opinion
yeah i think torunament is how it ruins the fun for some
~~good thing commander dont have tournament .... right? Right!? ~~
novel bramble
2nd reason why I left YGO is when Storm of Ragnarok came out I bought 2 boxes which was a questionable financial decision back then
I got: 1 effect veiler.
warped flare
idk which one that was
novel bramble
Nothing. else
novel bramble
It was the Six sam box
warped flare
decade+some ago
oh ok
i have just a bit less than 10k ygo cards in my memory
probably dropped to 6k ish now
novel bramble
Oh I lied, I also got Maxx "C" which cost a nice amount today I think
novel bramble
But still, 2 boxes, not a single Legendary Six Sam. 1 Effect Veiler and 1 Maxx C
I think Tour Guide from the underworld came out the next set so I did well to eff off YGO after that
then came the XYZ garbage
never looked back
warped flare
i hated xyz by mechanic and i was introduced to it through the anime
so that experience was even worst but i keep playing ygo online at the time
i think ygo is too competitive in nature that it isnt design for north america in general
a bit of a environment/societal thing
novel bramble
Yeah my LGS was cutthroat, made me very competitive
Learn everything about why you shouldnt buy boxes
warped flare
<.< as an asian I think i got over the cutthroat part WITHOUt going to tournament or local and i reverted back into super advance casual mode
hince here i am in B2 commander
novel bramble
Kinda the same for me I guess, commander is super casual and I love card games, so it fits well
warped flare
last box i brought was the march of the machines, and the one before was battlebond
novel bramble
I can still be competitive in a restricted sense
warped flare
those i enjoyed, but i havent been able to buy much from wotc produce other than a precon once every ... half a year?
warped flare
I can still be competitive in a restricted sense
you think i cant tell 🙄
novel bramble
Hey, thats how I like it
warped flare
unfortunately, for me, my best play style in ygo is probably combo storm / flood gate
so it translate to storm ish stax in mtg
those are the things i am best at and avoided in commander lower power
novel bramble
Yeah I'm sure you were the guy playing that trap card that put monsters above 3 stars in defense or something. I forgot the name
warped flare
i dont build for B4 because my whole plan would resolve around not letting others play the game and my win con would be rage quit
novel bramble
It looks like a green ball trying to get through a net of energy
warped flare
Yeah I'm sure you were the guy playing that trap card that put monsters above 3 ...
thats thats weak stuff
novel bramble
Oh yeah.
warped flare
i would just stop the entire summon from happening in the first place
novel bramble
It was garbage, annoying garbage, but garbage still
warped flare
XD
novel bramble
such a fun mechanic
warped flare
the "jank"
scrap got recent upgrades
but they are still very much scrap in both flavour and mechanics
not great in terms of today's power but its a nice touch
warped flare
yusei in 5Ds had the most unplayable anime deck, up there with Jaden's mess
novel bramble
Thunder-King Raioh and shit. Loved that dude
warped flare
not sure about the name exiling sorcer is it dark and light
warped flare
oh, yeah, probably chaos anti meta then
novel bramble
Chaos Sorcerer yes!
warped flare
i remember a bit of that
novel bramble
That was my last competitive deck
warped flare
didnt play too much of that but thats probably 3-5 tiers below the top tier decks i was playing around that time
novel bramble
Nah it was pretty strong back then. But anti-meta decks tend to shift a lot
warped flare
i played the most when tier 0 spellbook and dragon rulers just at the end before getting restricted/banned
novel bramble
iirc, Black Wings were the top tier then
novel bramble
they were there, and they were strong
novel bramble
Yeah, no love lost there. I hated playing vs that deck
warped flare
i am too lazy to hold onto my cards
so 0 hand combo is the idea i loved the most
but i didnt get to play infernal that much when it was the most broken
warped flare
nah, more like 25 now
novel bramble
Oh yeah, I checked the meta a couple months ago
warped flare
and then it got restricted so the consistency is gone
novel bramble
What a shit show. one card combos is absolutely insane
warped flare
all new cards you dont recognize
1 card combo was there around 7 years ago
i stopped around 9 yrs
warped flare
👴 are you okay
novel bramble
Lost a single strand of hair there
But hey, I was there during the Cyber Stein times, so I saw a lot of YGO
By far the game that I played the most
warped flare
but in magic, you just activated my [[runeflare trap]] card
zealous ridgeBOT
Instant — Trap
If an opponent drew three or more cards this turn, you may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Runeflare Trap deals damage to target player equal to the number of cards in that player's hand.
warped flare
they clearly belongs to hand
for someone's hand
pull off ygo reference the commander deck would be a dream deck for me
but there arent enough trap cards so i would probably need a really good tutor based core
novel bramble
[[Sudden impact]] why overcomplicate things, just blow them up
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
and a commander that supports those spellslinging moments
4 drop is the unplayable mana range
novel bramble
Start with [[Dark Devourer]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
i am B2, not B1
novel bramble
[[Dream Devourer]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Demon Cleric
Each nonland card in your hand without foretell has foretell. Its foretell cost is equal to its mana cost reduced by . (During your turn, you may pay and exile it from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
Whenever you foretell a card, this creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
0/3
warped flare
i do want to build a B1 anime themed deck
novel bramble
Oh its not legendary. wouldve been a fun YGO commander
YOUVE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD
warped flare
except that anime has more words than your avg dictionary and i am bad with [[exhange of words]] to emphasize the important of words
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Its in my Queen Marchesa deck so I get to do it sometimes
novel bramble
POT OF GREED
warped flare
[[divination]] you called?
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
THIS CARD ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 2 ADDITIONAL CARDS
YGO taught me "Draw is king" when they banned Pot of greed actually
warped flare
idk if i run both medallion and [[the sky crystal]]
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Back then I was playing a garbage Warrior deck
warped flare
do i still do divination type of cards for the meme
[[quick study]] is a card i havent seen any commander play
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
maybe the one commander that cares about 2nd draw per turn
but thats kinda it
its a one of a kind jank/value piece
novel bramble
I'd see it in [[Norman osborn]] decks
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Scientist Villain
Norman Osborn can't be blocked.
Whenever Norman Osborn deals combat damage to a player, he connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
: Transform Norman Osborn. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/1
Green Goblin
Legendary Creature — Goblin Human Villain
Flying, menace
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
Goblin Formula — Each nonland card in your graveyard has mayhem. The mayhem cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast a card from your graveyard for its mayhem cost if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
3/3
warped flare
not a common thing in commander to spend 3 mana for 2 cards
novel bramble
Throw it in grave, cast it for 1 blue
warped flare
greengolbin just bursted with cost reduction
warped flare
basically the double medallion thing i was talking about
you can do meme cards if you want
novel bramble
I meant, its easy to build the deck in Bracket 4, without any game changer
All the blue cards that untap lands, played from grave?
warped flare
but you do have to match other decks with all GCers
novel bramble
Insane ramp
warped flare
so it would be more difficult to play still
novel bramble
[[Treacherous]] and co
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
[[Treachery]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
oh lol treacherous is a dream in high power
novel bramble
[[Frantic search]] [[Snap]] and a ton more
warped flare
"nice blightsteel, oh i read my card and it give haste, ooohh and you are open because you are trying to cheat out your blightsteel"
novel bramble
Goblin go out of contorl too easily
You just need a discard outlet that work at Instant speed and you're good
warped flare
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/153/frantic-search
i messed up that name like 4 times, i kept typing research, study etc
novel bramble
lol
warped flare
and i want to see destructions
i dont see you play blue that much
i play blue quite a bit but with basically no counterspells
creature i cant counter 99% of the time
so someday i need to get myself a [[stifle]] for etb
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Honestly, I just don't like when I get stopped by blue
But I have 2 Esper decks and a Dimir decks to do
warped flare
and you like to stop others 👀 [[grand abolisher]]
zealous ridgeBOT
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Grand abo is a safe space lol
warped flare
there is no safe space in my book
its a torture room in disguise
for negative, do you want to try to see what happens if you dont run lot of the X drain sorcery spells
because from my experience, they are very anti dramatic to end a game with
especially with all the extra ramp for a high cost commander
[[heliod intervention]] is fine because it doesnt burn
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
otherwise, it create moment where you can do asolutely nothing all game yet the one top deck still wins you the game
unlike extort, where it is still paying mana to drain for the same amount, at the same rate.
it requires card draw and each spell to get its value
and it also make sense to have all those pay life to 0 + lich + mr negative kill, instead of drain X
let me know if you disagree
[[vilis broker of blood]] is a super fun card imo but i womder if it can go near infinite
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying
, Pay 2 life: Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
Whenever you lose life, draw that many cards. (Damage causes loss of life.)
"You can sign, or you can spend your life imagining what might have been yours."
8/8
novel bramble
I understand what you mean, usually one card that kills the whole board is kinda boring, buuuuuut
I guess its the same as that Command Zone game, where Rachel pulled it out after all the players kept trying to equilibrate the life
warped flare
and X spells are kinda nonbo with bolas
i think in the game it was long sequence of event that got there
novel bramble
Its the punishing card for players that try to be cohesive and follow a plan to hurt you
warped flare
and exact 16 so it was a little more
but even if the game doesnt end there
i doubt the life difference of ... 100+ will lose
itgain how much that gain 16 x 3? 48?
novel bramble
I doubt there will be a life diff of 100
warped flare
i think with the combination of self life drain and high mana ramp, it gets more disgusting
novel bramble
A lifegain players will dread facing me
and will surely be more conservative with his lifegain
warped flare
have to try it find out
but on that note, to cut 40 cards, it will probably go into the other direction
pay life/lich stuff
novel bramble
Yeah.
warped flare
weird enough i think reanimate is less good here becaue there arent too many creatures
novel bramble
With the constant board wipes tho
warped flare
ramp can be the last category for cut after all the other stuff is settled just to see how much card ramp is needed
there are also [[farewell]] all the exile removal
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
True, I exile of lot of shit
warped flare
so i dont think most things will end up in grave, and hope those are working with your game plan
negative do have a specific way of controlling life
when it comes to self burn, technically losing 1 at a time is the best control/ common denominator for any amount
while losing 3 at once is harder because you can end up with 2 life
but the fact it will go down to 2, it really doesnt matter
in terms of value tho, from the life pay
novel bramble
I think the most dangerous selfburn are the reveal top, lose life = to mana cost
warped flare
[[doomwhisper]] > [[unspeakable symbol}} [[wall of blood}
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
this is a power house to top deck control even without card draw
with draw, you basically "tutored" nearly 50 cards in your deck
warped flare
I think the most dangerous selfburn are the reveal top, lose life = to mana cost
and the most exciting one XD
novel bramble
Yeah
I mean, I draw cards
who cares about the burn lol
and tbh, we love lands in hand, but now drawing lands
but not*
so its a nice filter
Very cheap too.
except [[Darkstar augur]] I guess
zealous ridgeBOT
Creature — Bat Warlock
Offspring (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its mana value.
2/3
warped flare
from my perspective, from fun to least its probably [[dark confidant]] /[[keen duelist]] > infernal contract > [[bolas citadel]]
zealous ridgeBOT
Legendary Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.
, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents: Each opponent loses 10 life.
novel bramble
I dont think I'd want to pay 4 mana for a do nothing until next turn card
warped flare
fair enough, by itself it is 3 mana flying confidant
novel bramble
I know Bolas is boring, trust me its not a GC I like
but it fits incredibly well in this deck
if its too strong I'll cut it out 100% tho
warped flare
the flexibility is there so i think i do like a flying blocker more than 1 toughness easy to kill creature
novel bramble
Yeah true
warped flare
bolas is kinda more fun IF you dont know how much life you will be at
and i do like that sac 10 permanent part
more than the drain X in here
because i see negative as a sorin
if everyone get themselves too low, bolas can be a win con without casting extra things or two land top deck
novel bramble
Is [[Alhammarret's archive]] needed? Drawing my entire deck is a possibility
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
Might even nonbo me out of the game
warped flare
i think thats one of those
you may not want to play it when you draw it
if you have vilis out
you will deck yourself
so in the game where you draw both, you can ONLY play one
warped flare
80 cards*
you do GAIN the difference
thats the fun and risk
MR negative is about
novel bramble
I gain?
warped flare
not only do you want to control your life total, you want to control the entire tables life total
novel bramble
I need to reduce my life to draw with Negative
warped flare
so in magic rule you gain 20, they lose 20
you then gain double that so you go to 60
novel bramble
Negative only works if I LOSE life by trading
novel bramble
I draw the difference
warped flare
you dont gain here
novel bramble
Yeah
warped flare
so the first and second is independent
novel bramble
I could also be unreacheable yeah
warped flare
if you got two win cons, you cannot play both
novel bramble
Trading a difference of 20 life means I gain 40
and If I do it again twice
GG unless other wincon or Commander damage
warped flare
and since you only draw when you lose life
from negative
you just have to pay life ahead of time
so you dont draw too many
thats not a downside
novel bramble
Yeah, not hard to scalpel this so I dont die
novel bramble
Yeah, don't play both, but either of them has their place in the deck
And I'll need to pay the full 8 mana for Vilis anyway
warped flare
if you are so scared of decking, some lich eff cares about no cards in library
novel bramble
Meh, not the plan I wanna go with
warped flare
reanimate that thessa oracle easy
warped flare
kek paying 39 life to 1 is then swap, is that not a combo player move
"It goes in the square hole" the deck
i have a meme deck i never finished around that idea
but basically every card has to be flexible enough to a certain degree it fits all scenario in the. game
novel bramble
Man, even cutting in the draw feels hard
warped flare
heavy removal
novel bramble
Phyrexian arena begone?
warped flare
yeah i dont like that one too much, too slow
warped flare
i wouldnt play every copy of lose life draw when the commander can draw a lot
novel bramble
Its still a strong t2 or t3 play if T2 was ramp
warped flare
because you only draw when negative swap with LOWER life total opponent, if you already put yourself lower, you are only doing sorin to them
warped flare
in a nutshell i would think thrice before using 3+ mana to draw like arena does
novel bramble
but without that? I need to draw somehow
warped flare
doing damage is your opponent, getting everyone life total low as you want
and then you have control over the game
warped flare
it is a control deck, just not necessary on the boardstate side
yea... it is kinda annoying
new card so i am not sure
novel bramble
I like that I can just pay w/e I want knowing I'll get it back
warped flare
i like it because of big mana and it messed with life
novel bramble
but trading for a huge lifepool and getting it back down to 20 is meh
warped flare
how about this, using the same cards here, every card you remove, goes into a second mr negative deck
build two decks with little to no overlap
warped flare
end stone is a storm card that end the game within 2 turns
novel bramble
One that you might like
warped flare
going to 20 life isnt an issue
the draw do seems weaker than bolas
kinda wish you can skip the draw sometimes
novel bramble
Yeah landfall is not important
warped flare
it just say "you handsize remains the same"
novel bramble
Kinda important with a lot of removal
you dont go negative in card advantage with the 2 other players
warped flare
in terms of options maybe
but sometimes its nice to embrace the discard
not having [[though vessal]]
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
with all the draw into the best 7
do you really need 15 cards in hand?
novel bramble
Oh forgot to tag Reliquary
warped flare
1 land 2 set up piece, and 4 removal
warped flare
after spending 7 mana on end stone?
novel bramble
I'd rather have no mana up and 50 cards in hand than 10 amna up and 0 cards
Yeah thats the other point
warped flare
i can probably cut 1/3 of the draw and call it a day, sad golem cut. 4 mana too high