#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck

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warped flare
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12+ would be on the high card ratio

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so 8 should be reasonable

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[[shivan reef]] is within the cheaper untapped cycle of lands too

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i see you put [[return from extinction]] in the considering section recently i came across [[raise the drauger]] which is a strictly better return spell

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warped flare
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and have to keep track of how many anthem effect in the final build, too many is too much redundancy

novel bramble
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Really? I'm not a fan of Skyclave. Being indestructible vs just a [[Gilded Lotus]] isnt worth it, and can you afford 6-mana ramp as Slivers? Theres 3 opponents naturally plotting to kill you first.

Plus the copies comes tapped.

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novel bramble
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Tell me what you think. 38 Lands and 15 Ramps package

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Basics can be rebalanced but I think its fine

novel bramble
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Actually 16 ramp. Birds of Paradise is an easy in

novel bramble
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Im looking through the draw package of most-liked sliver decks on Moxfield and... they barely play any?

novel bramble
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I checked, the [[amoeboid changeling]] is to be cute with Slivers overlord 2nd effect and steal a creature

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warped flare
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BoP isnt budget so i wasnt really thinking about it

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and the other thing would be, sliver's biggest weakest being creature wipe

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having creature ramp just adds to the weakness

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but early mana dork still helps make the deck run smoother

novel bramble
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Yeah birds is fine

warped flare
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Also the biggest diff between gilded lotus is that it only add one colour, 3 skyrelic can add 3 instances of one colour

novel bramble
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Its 6 mana

warped flare
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i am aware

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playing it at 3 mana is fine if thats the ramp you need at the time

novel bramble
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At this point you probably dont need mana fixing

warped flare
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in 5 colours, having the mana fixing with lowbudge land is nice to have

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all the signet lands, filter lands

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some are cheaper due to reprint

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because with more basics in the deck

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there is a chance where you end up playing two of the same basic within the first few turns of the game

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colour source into any colour fixes that easily

novel bramble
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Then another cheaper mana rock can do the work no?

warped flare
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and it was in the original 99 so it s a card your friend already own

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technically yeah, but those cheaper rocks has no extra utility or option to play at 6 mana

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i dont think it is necessary to change every card for your friend's deck as he can

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adjust after he get the hang of it

novel bramble
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Yeah but I still dont see me playing a 6 mana rock that pays for itself 2 turns after it came down

warped flare
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that s kinda why i would keep the playable stuff

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like, every deck within the right colour identity can play a 0 cost removal

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but thats just direct powercreep/pricey upgrade

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if i own and can get around with a [[go for the throat]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i would stick to the worse one until i think i need the swap

novel bramble
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But overall I think the ramp+lands is fine

warped flare
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indestructible will be relevant when that one game someone tries to wipe all rocks

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maybe 1/5 or 1/6 times

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same link right?

novel bramble
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Yeah

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Redirecting the convo to not talk about a mana rock for 3 hours lol

warped flare
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XD

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yeah, i would have left incubator out

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if he dont already own it

novel bramble
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In the end he's gonna keep w/e he wants

warped flare
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i think it is uneccesary power for the price tag

novel bramble
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I dont remember if he has it

warped flare
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on the fence about herald's horn

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it s one that need a bit of math

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more creatures in 99 = better rate of the draw, or always miss, if it is a scry then it is much better

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colour reduction is just okay especially when

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most slivers dont have 3+ generic cost

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do you want to keep [[synapse sliver]] i dont really like that one

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novel bramble
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Its a good draw.

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Anything that can draw multiple cards is good in my eyes

warped flare
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chromatic lantern is okay but not necessary, when colours in mana base is spread even enough, its more for lazy land tapping

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but i am not against it or trying to defend it

novel bramble
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Its better for him trust me

warped flare
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i would probably have it in the same tier as that skyrelic

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back to back

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i would put in beastwhisperer

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heavy creature deck

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pretty much guarantee draw

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very minor how ziggurat can pay for it but not kindred discovery

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may sound contradicting to the "extra weak to boardwipe like mana dork" but imo the draw is worth it

novel bramble
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After Guardian project sure.

warped flare
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cryptolith rite i would cut

novel bramble
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4 mana is a bit steep for a creature tho

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Nah, He wants the Sliver Queen combos and this helps

warped flare
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well, i prefer either elven chorus OR rite

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to not have that redundancy

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and i just look at "cast creature top deck" and decide chorus is better here

novel bramble
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Thats where we differ. I WANT to draw the effect, so having the same effect multiple times increase the consistency of having that effect on the field

warped flare
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so i ended wtih the double mana/gemhide sliver

novel bramble
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And if it gets wiped then you just drop another one

warped flare
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  • chorus, and then cut cryptolith
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i want the creature cast/enter = draw

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enchantment does none of that

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but show your friend all of this, he can change it up

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why not get him on this discussion

novel bramble
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He's rarely online

warped flare
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can fix that

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yeah that makes sense

novel bramble
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I think the draw package will be short here. Overlord's effect can just tutor for w/e you need

warped flare
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online gives you so much extra knowledge when you can look things up

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warroom

novel bramble
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Thats my forte lol, which is why I'm tinkering his deck

warped flare
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if i am you

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i would give cards that are obviously not great and see if he actually checks the list

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[[war room]] in 5colours

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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No he trusts me, he wouldnt understand

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Also I would look like an idiot to the other guys he will show the list to

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Also, forget about anything that spend life lol, he's scared shitless of them

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doesnt wanna play Fetch or Shock lands

warped flare
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XD

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lol

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those [[rugged highlands]] are perfect for him then XD

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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consider how in the casual social format

novel bramble
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Yeah lets do a worldgorger dragon combo for infinite life

warped flare
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playing slower decks sometimes gets away with some attention and focus

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i dont think it is the worst idea for your friend

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also it adds to his play style, deck expression

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if that changes some months down the line

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and want the deck to be faster

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then the dirt cheap land doesnt hurt the wallet

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even at my penny budget, those are cards i can give away for free

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you can straight up give him some of those lands to put into that 5 colour deck

novel bramble
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Well, the good thing for him (Bless his heart), is that everyone knows he's not super good, so he usually slip under the radar until he becomes a genuine threat

warped flare
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after some games, he will learn why untapped lands matters

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yeah, i can see him as a newbie

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tutoring can be hard at times too

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if someone knows you are going combo

novel bramble
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Thats his choice. I told him to stick with The First Sliver

warped flare
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you kinda tells others to focus you and keep you dead before winning

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if i know you win with 6-7 mana

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then the moment you leave yourself open i am going alpha strike on you because i dont have counterspell for your combo win

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i think thats not the nice thing both for me and the player who is not experienced at the game

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i dont want to give a free win to them but i also dont want that player to take advantage of the table leaving them alone

novel bramble
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Hey man, you gotta learn

warped flare
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thats why i start with some tapped duals instead of no taps at all

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for slivers, i am a sucker for the first strike deathtouch

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or deathtouch trample keywords ability

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so personally i would play those regardless of what power level i am aimming for

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for combat focus tho, vigiliance + envasion is probably much better 9/10 times

novel bramble
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I'm more haste+flying myself

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For slivers

warped flare
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and for combo, none of that really matters

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other than haste

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well, only one sliver give both haste flying

novel bramble
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As much as I like the FS+DT, Flying or unblockable achieve the same

warped flare
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the red one also has haste, and a blue one drop is flying

novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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is there unblockable sliver

novel bramble
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Yeah

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[[SHifting Sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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What I wanna do is build from the ground up, make sure all the sorceries/instants, etc are accounted for, before adding the Creatures

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So whats missing, is a bit of protection, some board wipes

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some interactions

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Although most interactions can be found in Slivers themselves

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Backup plan, like [[Patriach Bidding]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “Patriach Bidding”

novel bramble
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[[Patriach's bidding]]

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novel bramble
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Need some wincon card too. Something like Craterhoof without being Craterhoof

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Well, Sliver Legion is one I guess

warped flare
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going to eat first

novel bramble
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First draft done

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I think there might not be enough creatures at first glance

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Not sure boardwipes are really neccessary

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Ugh, I wanna get rid of that Amoeboid Changeling lol

warped flare
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XD

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the cute dude is what you hate the most?

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but the fact you took out [[sliver gravemother]] proves that we cant be friends

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/707/sliver-gravemother

Sliver Gravemother <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Sliver
The "legend rule" doesn't apply to Slivers you control.
Each Sliver creature card in your graveyard has encore manax, where X is its mana value.
Encore mana5 (mana5, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
6/6

warped flare
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jk

novel bramble
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Gotta make space for the MEN

warped flare
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the thing is, there are so many slivers and a lot of them arent synergistic together

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some are more control focus

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some are full on combat

novel bramble
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Granny can go take a hike in her next home (The graveyard)

warped flare
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like from +1+1/+2+0/ to the +0+1 s

novel bramble
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I went with what he likes, and then I went for his combo pieces

warped flare
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some are attack triggers

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in terms of keyword ability

novel bramble
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I know he will fumble the combos so yeah

warped flare
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what are his favourite

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you missed a few unblockable like shadow

novel bramble
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Oh yeah

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I did

warped flare
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is the sac sliver for 2 mana necessary

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it lowkey hate that one in the build because

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its so conditional

novel bramble
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Combo with Sliver queen

warped flare
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its the combo right

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but queen isnt even the commander :/

novel bramble
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Searcheable

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Overlord makes everything easier to get

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Queen as commander require tutors in the 99

warped flare
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[[faces the past]] [[$faces the past]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Nonono dont start showing me cards lol

warped flare
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i can buy this one in my LGS for E$2

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i want it

novel bramble
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Go make a Dimir deck with it sure

warped flare
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nah i will go like grixis 😄

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or even temur

novel bramble
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Well it has Dimir in it so sure

warped flare
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i will do it 4 colours no black 😈

novel bramble
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thats racist

warped flare
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its not racist if black doesnt exist in its colour

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only if i build 5 colour but the mana base Exclude black entirely

novel bramble
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"its not racist if black doesnt exist"

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Oh man

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crazy talk

warped flare
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i am equally racist against black and white, those arent colours, they are shades

novel bramble
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Im only racist against orange people

warped flare
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Look at animar

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just because you dont live in US they may still raid your house for talking shit about the president

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should i buy that card its like $2

novel bramble
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Dont break the bank

warped flare
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<.< yourself be like spending $500 a day

novel bramble
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Never look into your neighbor's window

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Theres this creature

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that does the same thing as Training Grounds

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I forgot the name

warped flare
novel bramble
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He might be glazing yes

warped flare
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you can do scryfall tag

novel bramble
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[[Biomancer's familiar]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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So clunky

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Well with Overlord on board its technically free to cast

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(If you were to use its ability]

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But not using Ovi's ability on your turn is questionable

warped flare
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there are changelings that are 1 drop with decent ability from MH sets

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main slivers you missed are

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[[homing sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Oh yeah

warped flare
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theres the shadow one because oyu like envasion

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the one i mentioned with replicate is called [[hatchery sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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which is very much my style and a way to spend extra mana

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works nicely with all the +1 anthems slivers

novel bramble
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[[Firewake Sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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for keywords, i would prefer [[horned sliver]] and double down on

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warped flare
novel bramble
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Why trample when you can just hit face tho

warped flare
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in consider

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[[hunter sliver]] works nicely with deathtouch/first strike or just big slivers

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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for combo, [dregscape sliver]]

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[[dregscape sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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combat [[two headed sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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training groud stuff [[scuttling sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i am lazy and play mindlessly so i prefer combat win with swing out [[bonesplitter sliver]] closer to my style

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[leeching sliver]]

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novel bramble
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Wheres shadowdude

warped flare
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we will get there you get to hear my rant about not playing combat slivers, like [[cleaving sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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control [[telekinetic sliver]] [[taunting sliver]]

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novel bramble
warped flare
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card draw you lack [[dormant sliver]] i really like this one btw

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novel bramble
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Yeah, except you now have a defender army lol

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Like playing Zergs on defence

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doesnt work

warped flare
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and i am willing to pay 4 mana for effects like [[mesmeric sliver]] [[reflex sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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"defender" is irrelvant when you can sac them

novel bramble
warped flare
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this is the problem with so many slivers, some works so well together and some are basically nonbo

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if the deck focus hard on combat, even [[synchronous silver]] could be worth it

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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as bad of a body it is

novel bramble
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Friend needs to win too

warped flare
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i dont really like the high cost of [[thorncaster sliver]] but the deathtouch synergy is really fun for me

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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poor guy is at least 90% loss

warped flare
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i can raise that to 50% loss

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0.9 x 0.5 = 45%

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i can make it combat and win mindlessly 45% of the time

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just ramp, big dummies, attack with damage

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maybe combo will go higher WR

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but also bigger threat

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and easier to fail

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no one is going to counter your [[megantic sliver]] because they think it is so dumb

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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or they are holding a [[negate]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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even [[constricting sliver]] may have a chance dispite its awful mana cost

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[brood sliver]] is okay imo

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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the control one is so dumb but has potential [[psionic sliver]] this one is too far from the current build so i wouldnt go there

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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my favourite dumb eff sliver [[pulmonic sliver]] so unique XD

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[capricious sliver]] the card draw?

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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training groud again [[spectral sliver]]

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warped flare
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and last of all [[shadow sliver]] unexpected name right @novel bramble

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warped flare
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the defender sliver that cannot block XD

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best sliver ever

novel bramble
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WHO WOULDVE THOUGHT

warped flare
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[[tempered sliver]] is nice buff

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i like [[poultice sliver]] but it will require sac ing the shroud sliver

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novel bramble
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Huh

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Theres already the free one for that

warped flare
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deathtouch always my favourite [[quilled sliver]][[lancer sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Crypt Sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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yeah same thing

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need to sac

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the shroud sliver first

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thats why i think defender sliver is worth the draw

novel bramble
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Yeah which is why I havent included it

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Thats too much thinking for my good old pal

warped flare
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nah you give him [[frenetic sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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more draw? or loss it all?

novel bramble
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What a cruel man you are

warped flare
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we will know after this commercial break

novel bramble
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there's only 2 men I know with luck worse than mine and he's one of them

warped flare
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theres no luck if you can search any cards

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your sliver lord commander means with training ground out

novel bramble
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Did you know that I've begun more game as the last player than any other position?

warped flare
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you are playing Ygo

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even if you need to get a [[vectual sliver]] and start the combo

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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otherwise, i would just use it as a 2 mana 2/2

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to take the anthem buff from other slivers

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its a bad effect i dont plan on using until i am 10 life

novel bramble
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Again, there's the free one

warped flare
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yeah ik

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they are both in the consider list i put together

novel bramble
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Slivers have powercrept themselves. Call it evolution

warped flare
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i think the hard ones to play are the one that control the opponent

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[[mindlash sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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even if you go hellbent

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there is a social stigma you need to face

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when messing with other peoples resources

novel bramble
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You already play slivers, you don't need the group to wait for you at the bicycle rack

warped flare
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especially after people not attack you early

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yeah fair, i would play that one personally

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but knowing how you describe the friend

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i wouldnt want someone new to make those tough decisions

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so i would leave that one out

novel bramble
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I either picture you as a 6'5 dude 290 pounds of muscle, or a tiny Goblin that sow chaos giggling

warped flare
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it is at worst 2 for 3 cards trade

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at best 1 for 3

novel bramble
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Yeah right now he needs to play solitaire and learn his cards. I'm not super fond of him playing counterspells either because he might just never use them waiting for the "Perfect timing"

warped flare
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i am just a harmless friendly neighbour with a slightly bigger frame than an avg Asian who is openly a terrorist

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i would be playing [[[[psionic sliver]] + untaps + either self sac or regenerate

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warped flare
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"mono blue burn! take that!"

novel bramble
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Sliver Hivelord going ham

warped flare
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[[tempered silver]] + vigilance too

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Combat damage tho

warped flare
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oh just realiized [[fungus sliver]] is also a fungus. who would have know

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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thats why + vigilance so it can attack and then tap

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after getting big

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the thing about flying / unblockable is that even tho you get the damage through, it looks much scarier than deathtouch trample

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the false sense of security of "giving your opponent a choice" on their block

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make your board slightly less threatening

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also [[spiteful sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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taking damage is a good thing

novel bramble
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We've gone full off road now

warped flare
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if my opponents attacks each other because i am seen less of a threat

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i got "free damage" on my opponent

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i dont need to rely only on my board to lower life totals

novel bramble
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Never gonna happen with Slivers

warped flare
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thats only if you know you can knock out all opponents by yourself

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always trying to aim for archenemy status

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makes you lose faster than aimming for 2nd

novel bramble
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Overlord kinda is made to just win

warped flare
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but who pilots it matters

novel bramble
warped flare
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is this friend going to knock out the most threatening player one by one

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or spread the damage

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giving strategic pokes until their life total is within lethal range for the final one-shot

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or just tapping out without a second thought

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as a rakdos player, my favourite sliver maybe... [[magma sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i will go wide and go big

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"i arent 6'5, i am [[almost perfect]]

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novel bramble
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I thought about it but when comboing off you're already hitting everyone with infinite slivers

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oof

warped flare
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well i like backups plans or expects combos to fail somehow

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i think if my commander isnt Hivelord

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i would put that in the 99 😅 9/10 times

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if the mana base can afford a 6 drop

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too bad i dont even own the card

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😢

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but overall, my mindset is: All to set up for combo win; all combat focus power toughness matters + combat keywords; all evasion for hard to react big damage; gimmick and tricks to do weird stuff; control heavy for the midrange win

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each has somewhat different focus

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only a few fits in ALL of those category

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[[clot sliver]] no targetting need and works with training ground

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[angel's trumpet]] can make sure everyone attacks

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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saw this too [[hold the gates]] would be funny gate mana base

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warped flare
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too janky even for me

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finally find the card i was after [[unbreakable formation]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[for the emperor!]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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easy to focus what the deck is about

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mindless alpha strike

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[[appeal//aurthority]] or room for stupid jank

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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which does offer small card advantage

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2 spells in 1

novel bramble
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I think the list is done for now

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Essence sliver is a bit out of place but he paid for it

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I got rid of Synapse for now

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Shadow bribed me

warped flare
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the lands you didnt look for were [[mossfire valley]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[essence sliver]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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oh rip

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isnt the lifelink one cheaper mana cost

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dinner time for me

novel bramble
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Alright ttyl

novel bramble
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He doesnt like Shadow

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Welp

warped flare
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XD yeah thats your style

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try trample

novel bramble
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Its not as great in this deck tbh

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Playtests are great so far

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mana base didnt suck at all

warped flare
novel bramble
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Yeah we like little shits to sac or turn into mana

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Trobbing Hivepool is also superb

warped flare
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[[Trobbing Hivepool ]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “Trobbing Hivepool”

warped flare
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the new sliver card?

novel bramble
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[[Thrumming hivepool]] I knew you would check

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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with affainity

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okay thats what.i thought it was

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i am bad at sounding out cards and names

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so whenever its a typo or pun, i will probably miss it

novel bramble
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Alright

warped flare
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trying to read card names in game be like

novel bramble
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Oh man when someone tells you what the card does

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vs actualy reading it

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i can remember what it does

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I only remember if I read it

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but the details usually screws things over

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when someone tell me the card do this

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i tell them "read the last line, its sorcery isnt it"

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inb4 i try to cast my sorcery spell as an instant XD

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because there are so many cards with a slightly different name

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i confuse [[big score]] with the sorcery sometimes

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i still need to put together the deck that runs [[wizard of thay]]

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[[Sosuke's Summons ]] i remember seeing this thing is it a new card

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not

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at all

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man

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dont even know if i have a deck for it but if i ever get one

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What a commander that would be

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<.<

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i mean, eventually i will get to grixis [[master the multipli]] secret commander

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maybe.i can fit everything in there

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In the same vein yeah its mono blue so Id die playing this

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How many The Master decks do you have

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my proudest $2 buy, before it raise in price 10 folds

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i started with it as the commander, it has lot of weakness but is really fun when it worked

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and then i will just keep moving it around in every 99 as i brew and eventually build the deck

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i havent put together the grixis or Mardu version

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didnt i tell you [[urza's glasses]]

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Multiple cards match “urza's glasses”, can you be more specific?

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[[glasses of urza]]

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i had this in a deck legitimately

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[[!valki god of lies]] master multiplie is in there since it was the deck that used to run it. still trying to pull off the blade of selves on anything

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T7 Infinite with defense. No ramp

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Sounds good for B5

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B3*

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sliver queen the real commander

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Find the play lol

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"Activate Windows"

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Damn

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dang the nonbo

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Yeah

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target creature is now sliver

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Horrible

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sliver now has shroud

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Little Amoenoid Shit

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maybe just straight up remove the shroud sliver then

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Crystalline is literally the first sliver you wanna search for

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tell you friend to pick one or the other

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shroud or amoenoid

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Yeah I probably will

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Thats huh. A choice

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because it opens up to all the sliver lords from indestructible to whatever you need to win from there

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also instead of cryptolith rite, i think you can play the saga here

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for a combo deck, you have the option to hold the saga or use the later chapter for the al;-out attack

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or early ramp if desperate

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unless you plan or doing it on other players turn

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where the saga ability would fall of

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One mana short from infinite +1+1 damn

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i wonder if you have a deck for this [[oath of scholars]]

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Why would I have a deck for that lol

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"May" is always such a bore

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Time to sleep

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I'll ttyl

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ttyl

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i rearranged some cards and did multi-tagging for as many cards as possible including the considering deck

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overall i split them into 3 types that sort of belong in diff decks but has some similarity

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i think the baseline is pretty much a [[Changeling Outcast]]

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1/1 for mana1 drop, 2/2 for mana2 drop etc that is able to do damage to at least one opponent at a time and scale with new existing silvers

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this is a good example imo because vigilance is irrelevant for something that cant block (ofc other slivers can still do), most keyword abilities are useless if it doesnt add extra damage (double strike, etc) yet it will take on all the utility and triggers due to the tribal synergy

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i think a beginner sliver deck should include at least a few of those for learning and flexibility within gameplay

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the first one as mentioned is out, discard is to give yourself bad social credit

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i am bais to the red one since i am a sucker for deathtouch synergy

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[[ouilled sliver]] for the same reason

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Mesmeric sliver is one of a kind with Fateseal so it is a nice chance to try it

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if your friend is interesting in playing control at some point, learning instant speed interaction with blue would be important

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[[wild pair]]

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OG art features Sliver on it

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/364/flooded-grove

Prices for Flooded Grove
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$0.87 • €1.12 • 0.02 TIX

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[[point the way]]

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those are all new adds, just to see what are the options

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the 1 drop changelings are good for combo

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overall, for most builds, changeling only make sense to get the ones that has the best utility, or lowest mana cost for an extra body

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the bull one is nice since it just gets big and becomes a threat then it eats removal

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Did more tests, T5 win is not that hard to make

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Intruder Alarm is a huge wincon

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welp he just bought rhystic study

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I did around 7 playtests in the last hour; Most games are finished between T5-T7

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Nothing reached T8 so far

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Quite consistent

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tutor in the commander zone with a consistent win con is just asking to be targetted

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Doesnt matter if you can win the same/next turn you plop it down.

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if you ignore how the table react to it then yea

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not neccessily bad rep but once you are seen as a "certain type" of player

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it will basically affect all your future game play

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I do dumb things and lose a lot (probably 25-30% win rate as a whole with a mix of good and bad decks) because of it; but i am fine with it and i think in free for all thats a very acceptable win rate

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but there are still games where i am the archenemy and i am not going to try to politic my way out of it even if it cause someone's bad threat assessment to waste 99% of their cards on me and end up losing

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while i dislike focusing down one player without a solid reason, its not how i play but i also have no control over someone doing that to me (usually from the competitive player who basically never build below B3 decks and play a lot of 1vs1 format)

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i just have to be prepare when i sit with that player at that table

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the unavoidable socially awkward part of commander. That guy basically think B1 and B3 is the same thing

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and somewhat ended up with a high B2 deck

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my LGS powerlevel is a mess 😅

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i am actually trying some really new ways of building the deck, rather than a clear and concise objective in the game, i want a game where it would supposedly finished in a set amount of time. if i want the game to be exacty an hour long (excluding politics and dumb jokes) then each player would average out to 15mins per turn.

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under that condition, i would need to build a deck where i need about 15 minutes of game action to create a winning board state and attempts for a win

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whenever it is multiple turns or one final big turn

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how to eliminate the uncontrollable factors are the hard part even if i ignore what other 3 decks are doing

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Well if this sliver deck taught me one thing, is that I don't like 5 colors decks

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And also my friend has his own vision of the deck and would rather build it very bad instead of following my advice lol

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XD, i guess he is fine with the lottery of bad mana base

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thats why i usually dont help with mana base too much unless thats the specific part requested for help; from the most expensive fetch shock to gates with no win con, i just look at the total land counts, as to the mana curve, and a rough colour distribution, then call it done

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i really want a bounce land + [[archeomancer map]] + MDFC instant so i can really surprise someone on with the utility as the deck scales

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No card found for “archeomancer map”

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[[ arceomancer's map]]

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someday. someday i will spell this name right

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Sorry I was busy these past few days. Friend is supposed to show me what he did to the deck friday so we'll see. I've been tinkering on most of my decks, Serah and mostly Kefka. Nothing too drastic.

Still no inspiration for new decks so for now I'm taking it easy. Dr Eggman is still in my mind but I'm not building it yet.
So far the decks have been performing well except Kefka who's a massive target. I'm reducing the mana value of the spells and adding more ooph-per-mana spells.

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i have too many decks to work with 😅

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since i brew lot of diff power and check over many other people's deck

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and i have very specific requirements when it comes to game play so certain cards never appears in my types of decks

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Well I do have my own rules too. Can't have 2 of the same deck, not too many of the same color either unless they play very different (Like Serah and Garnet).

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No combos ofc.

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Right now, I don't have a tribal deck, and I don't have a graveyard deck

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Eowyn wouldve been my Human deck if my friend didnt already upgrade his Riders of Rohan deck

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The same friend with the Slivers deck btw, so I'm forced to watch a very mediocre version being played.

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i dont even run the same cards in 2 decks i current have. so i cant really do two llanowar elf in 2 green decks unless its a higher power where i have to let it slide

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but if i take apart that deck, i will probably build another one that do include it

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i am trying to find combos that looks interesting so certain games can end

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but it would be at least 3 cards in the 99

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to me, colour identity, sol ring, arcane signet overlap is already alot

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if i am playing the best of each colour/ staples/ removals, each deck is just so generic off-the-intenet netdeck that nearly plays the same

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lucky to have 5 unique card in the 99 more less per game

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i can play 20 weird janks and not draw a single one 10 turns in with a consistent draw engine

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[[Brigid, Who's Seen Some Stuff]]

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its like sliver lol

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[[sliver weftwinder]] online stuff

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some card choice are... definitely more for fun and lacks the important removals against powerful decks, but it does what it does well enough

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Ill check it out. Been busy. LGS went great; Marchesa has a 4/2 record so far. The best of all my decks, and the one I like to play the most.

Which made me think about other aikido/political commander decks that I could tinker with. One that seems interesting is [[Aragorn king of gondor]].

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/5/aragorn-king-of-gondor

Aragorn, King of Gondor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Vigilance, lifelink
When Aragorn enters, you become the monarch.
Whenever Aragorn attacks, up to one target creature can't block this turn. If you're the monarch, creatures can't block this turn.
"In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world."
4/4

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the vigiliance + lifelink is actually insane in lower power and fair combat focused games

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although it takes so much to focus on that strategy idk if it is possible to balance it with more interactions; especially against decks that play combos or alternative win-cons

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phyrexian arena is either really good in a deck that has unlimited life gain, or not fast enough to get ahead

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[[$blackmarket connection]]

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:c if only this is more affordable

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token + draw + mana

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just screams commander no matter what deck plays it

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the angel build is the one i didnt have time to explore much more

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its like a good wide then overrun effect in the commander zone (assume it has haste)

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the only possible misplay would be: if you have monarch, and aragorn attack trigger, dont target anything so that it cannot fizzle

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i think its an alternative play style to that jetmir cat

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that one is so scary leaving them a turn basically means certain death

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haste, protection on combat, if you want to go for unblockable out of nowhere

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just build a super wide/tall board so you dont get attacked, except when you want to give monarch away

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[[dismiss into dream]] maybe too jank for you

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but it would completely shut down all the voltron style decks

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but that also seems closer to [[hinata, dawn-crowned]]

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the fact it makes counterspells much harder to play is really good at certain power level

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I was thinking more Monarch with a side of aikido yes. Too similar to Marchesa would go against how I like my decks.

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I'll make this one very slowly though. I don't intent on making another purchase for a little while. I got a speeding ticket that will cost me at least 8 proxy decks lol.

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XD

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how much over speed

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40?

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im going 2 work

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Yeah. 140km in a 100km zone

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360$ total

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Hm, not much rattlesnakes in Jeskai

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I shat w/e I could find

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Not a lot of great monarchy cards tbh, So I'll just put the best ones and keep the deck political/aikido for the most part

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It wouldve been a good Human deck too I suppose, but that's not my inspiration rn

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Lots of time to think about it anyway, I'm not in a hurry to make this deck

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here its up to 90 around the city

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It was on a highway

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used to have 110 km/h when it was like very far out

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yeah highway but around the city

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the circle drive

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what rattlesnakes means

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the good haymaker?

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Rattlesnakes is a term to design cards that you do not wanna attack into

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[[Vampire Nighthawk]] being a good example

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AKA flying+Deathtouch is a great deterrant

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one thing i really want to try is taunt + giving haste to attack opponent

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basically bad goading XD

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but its instant speed

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and repeatable

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Yeah well Goading is always an option

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but I'll put some pillowforts cards like ghostly prison and propanganda

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This deck will want to keep Monarchy

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OR, I use flicker cards to flicker Aragorn before my upkeep

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[[roar of resistance]]

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Ohh thats a good one

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[[Frenzied Saddlebrute ]]

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this cost so much but i was referring to it +

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Yeah this one costs too much

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but I like Roar

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Oh wait, its creature tokens

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[[goblin diplomats]]

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my bad "goading" jank

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i also like [[alexios deimos]] in the 99

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because someone will waste removal on it at some point

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or the table shares the pain

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[[incite war]] is again pretty bad of a card

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[[warmonger hellkite]] is again overcosted

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Thats just shit

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[[lightmine field ]]

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[[sonic the hedgehog]] plays that one well

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[[beats of the drum]]

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[[sound of the drum]]

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[[council of four]]

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That one's in, although its cost is high

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i missed it somehow

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so many cards

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i assume [[taunt of the rampart]] is in

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How could you miss it, theres only 175 cards

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ofc

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there is the one thats X manar manaw that make tokens and get monarch i think that s in

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also idk what art you pick

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The one that it gives me

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[[Forth eorlingas]]

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[[$forthj eorling]]

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[[$forth eorling]]

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oh there is a $3 version

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almost 4

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I could buy the precon tbh

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theres also the blame game precon

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[[legion loyalty]] while when i build a deck, i try to look for the jankest most fun option

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Do you ever get to play 8 mana cost spells

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though on [[rein of power]]

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Its a solid card

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i play 11 mana cost cards almost every game

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without green at least half the time

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My pods rarely reach T11

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i ramp 3 turns in a row

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and play no fog and block with face

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[[curse of the nightly hunt]]

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do you have overlap with the other deck

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is [[duelist heritage ]] in the mardu one

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A few might overlap yes since they share some aikido aspect

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so wont be in this or something

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or if only one plays [[spectacular showdown]]

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from my experience [[agitator ant]] is kinda meh unless you really need a creature

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it helps other players ' creature too much and too open to the options

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Buffing Aragorn is not bad

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on any creatures under their control

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if its not for the goading

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its basically givingthe table 6 power

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in exchange for 2 power

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and those creatures can still block and stuff

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Aragorn doesnt care

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its probably strong enough with aragorn

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just pointing out ant wasnt as good from experience

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[[absolute virtue]] would be so funny

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Yeah could be fun

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finally the card i was looking for the past 10 minutes

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[[firemane commando]]

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''Here's an overpriced Platinum Angel"

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hate when i cant remember any names

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gtg, step daughter is dumb and need a lift

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but you dont take damage so you cannot go to negative life total

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alright

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i have no family so i dont have that problem

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[[ruhan of the fomori]][[assult suit]]

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[[grenzo havoc raiser]]

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[[angel

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[[angel's trumpet]]

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i wouldnt run ghostly prison in this type of deck because i think there should be enough creatures for blockers

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, overall low enchantment count

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unecessary if the game plan of directing aggro onto other players

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is succesful

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if i want enchantment focus pillow fort, [[sphere of safety]] would fit right in, in here, not so much. as least not to the vision i have

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since its 4 mana for monarch in general, i think some of that redundancy will get cut

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i think [[court of ardenvale]] is meh if the deck dont have ton of options to bring back

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i found [[counterflux]] to be super hard to pull off

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the same way [[mindbreak trap]] is little effective in lower power

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but that one is at least free at some point

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holding 4 mana up with double blue is sort of hard

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too telegraphed

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[[excise the imperfect]] i never got to play, i think it is kind of unnecessary to pay 3 for the effect

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and i am sure at some point in time you heard my rant about counterspell when i can [[narset reversal]]

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if the deck isnt like 75% or mono blue, i dont find a slot for [[counterspell]] double U pips

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at the same time, if the deck can run [[devin's veto]] with sunforger, i think there is even less of a reason to run [[negate]]

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if there arent [[saphire medallion]] etc

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my cuts for removal is on the extreme side

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both most of which is preference

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whenever you want to run 10 removal or 45 removal

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[[time wipe]] i like to use with etb

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vadal blast always give me mixed feelings

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its either so powerful against some decks or completely dead draw that do nothing and has no synergy whatsoever

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if the deck doesnt want to have a slot for a card that may do nothing at all, i wouldnt consider it in just any deck

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[[anzrag's rampage]] comes with extra potential upside

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or [[brotherhoods end]] if you dont run mana rocks yourself

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i have like [[gilded lotus]] in mine so i get away with it

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for your generally high instant sorcery count, i think [[talrand, sky summoner]] is close to how you may want you deck

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I thought about buying both Riders of rohan and Blame game precons but it would go up to 200$ for both. Not worth. Honestly Riders of rohan isnt, compared to Blame game. I'll see what I wanna do.

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Forgot the name. I think its Jeskai too

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[[Soulfire Grand Master]]

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Yeah, and Im not gonna play that much damage spells anyway.

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Ghostly/Propaganda help vs unblockable creatures too

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And people will tend to send the biggest power creature and pay the cost, then I can aikido it for more benefit

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ah so you do want big creatures at youy

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[[Deflecting palm]] and co. prefer one big punch

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poster left so theres no changing it but it gives ideas

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early shift today gtg 🏃‍➡️

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First draft. Some cuts left. Didnt make the lands yet

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my vision of this type of deck dont really need a lot of spells, [[secret rendezvous]] and spellslinger focused stuff maybe my cuts

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it would be much funny if it is a [[hivemind]] deck

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I dont wanna cut too much into my draw

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[[electronmancer]] is one of my cut

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No card found for “electronmancer”

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2 left. Dont wanna cut [[Mirage mirror]] looks so fun to play

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1 left, I've decided to drop Flickering entirely. Would be a big nonbo with counters and equips anyway

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Probably lands to 37

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Colors are heavy on white, so lands will be mostly Boros and Azorius

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First draft done.

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I guess I'll poke the Dr Eggman deck too while I'm at it.

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Tbh, it might look too much like Kefka.

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Unless I make the Kefka officially B4 so that I have a b4 deck for the sweaty boyz.

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Food for thought

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I like the Phyrexian lore.

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XD

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when i saw [[teyo geometric tacti]] i thought you wanted to add the wall as well

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but i guess you cant pick both directions or it will stop all attacks

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although its mainly here for draws

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the wall is a good blocker but no draw

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i like the wall that has accumulative unkeep, opponent gain life

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will check the eggman deck later

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low creature counts makes it harder to use the swords + combat trigger

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Aragorn is the creature, usually

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Me like Vigilance+Lifelink

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I haven't made much progress with Eggman. Only 19 cards in deck rn

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Not that motivated for this one tbh

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It feels like discount Kefka

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Lots of duplicates with Kefka (Mostly all the discard group slug cards)

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and I cant even force them to discard

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Trigger being at end of turn gives them a turn to react to what I drop too

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I'm also looking at other ideas for decks. Right now the commanders that are interesting to me are: [[Quintorius Loremaster]] [[Kynaios and tiro]] [[Valgavoth Harrower of Souls]] and maybe [[Dihada Binder of Wills]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/250/quintorius-loremaster

Quintorius, Loremaster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elephant Cleric
Vigilance
At the beginning of your end step, exile target noncreature, nonland card from your graveyard. Create a 3/2 red and white Spirit creature token.
mana1manarmanaw, manat, Sacrifice a Spirit: Choose target card exiled with Quintorius. You may cast that card this turn without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, put it on the bottom of its owner's library instead.
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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/1/dihada-binder-of-wills

Dihada, Binder of Wills <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Dihada
+2: Up to one target legendary creature gains vigilance, lifelink, and indestructible until your next turn.
−3: Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put any number of legendary cards from among them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard. Create a Treasure token for each card put into your graveyard this way.
−11: Gain control of all nonland permanents until end of turn. Untap them. They gain haste until end of turn.
Dihada, Binder of Wills can be your commander.
Loyalty: 5

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I might turn Kefka into a CEDH deck, cauz theres this one guy that loves playing super high power and always try to push the table to. I'd like a deck that makes the whole table miserable.

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Quintorius would be my Spellslinger deck. I'm not a super fan of them but it will help me understand them better.

Kynaios and Tiro of the Village People would be another Political/Aikido deck, but it was my 2nd choice after Aragorn; I won't do both, so I'll think of which one I wanna make.

Valgavoth would become my new Villain deck instead of Kefka for B3. Group Slug is also a deck I wanna try to make.

Dihada is another Legendary matter deck but in colors I like more. She also feels stronger as a commander than Serah Farron. I don't even remember where I've heard of her. I guess when I looked at all the playable Planeswalkers or w/e.

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K&T is kinda good stuff fake group hug, as least most of which i have seen if not all of them

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dihada i havent seen much of

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so iam not sure if that one is especially unique but legend matters do push it toward a lot of the good stuff in those colours

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i played quintorius (this one oyu mentioned) in the 99 before, i didnt draw it too many times but when it stays around, having that extra "flashback" at instant speed is really nice. note that the tap ability can ONLY cast spells exiled by that first ability

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at 5 drop, it is a bit slow even if you ramp

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so i think the focus would be mainly on the 99 trying to cheat out fun stuff before getting that bit of control/ value to finish the game with

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not to mention it needs an end step AND full turn cycle to tap for that spell

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if the goal is to cast an 8 mana spell, hard casting [[city on fire]] is easier

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valg has too good of a precon, so i dont think there is much needed to upgrade that one in particular

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with a draw engine that can translate into a lethal threat really makes it shine

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I think I'll start with Dihada. Love me some Mardu

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so even tho its legend matter, technically you can also focus on the -2 to make lot of treasures

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just because you find legends, doesnt mean you have to add them to hand

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-3* not 2

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Yeah I'll probably focus on a treasures+reanimator list

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https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/c13/101

Scryfall Tagger
Blood Rites (C13 #101) · Card

Community driven tags for the artwork and mechanical functions of the Magic: The Gathering card Blood Rites.

Art Tags:
• pouring
• blood magic
• chalice
• artist signature
• and 2 more

Card Tags:
• activated ability
• repeatable removal
• sacrifice outlet-creature
• burn any
• and 1 more

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wheres all ther modern day creepy art magic cards

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Those are the best ones

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~~and you will build a Bracket 1 deck with them to bring to your LGS ~~

novel bramble
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😩

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cirle of despair tho isnt so bad

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u can fog for others

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I dont shit a lot of creatures tho

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start shitting more stuff out

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I have recursion yes but its not holy shit everything comes back all the time

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[[Abyssal Harvester]] is in 100% methinks

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/54/abyssal-harvester

Abyssal Harvester <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon Warlock
manat: Exile target creature card from a graveyard that was put there this turn. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a Nightmare in addition to its other types. Then exile all other Nightmare tokens you control.
"Till the soil, spare no soul. / Neath the darkness, nightmares grow." —Children's nursery rhyme
3/2

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not even sure where the gif came from

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wanted to find"eat, shit, and die"

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No idea

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eat, shit, and poop tokens works too i guess

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Tokens in a Dihada deck lol

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Yes

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Thats the one I'm making first

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that would be interesting

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mardu but its mostly tokens

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you can takes whatever from that teysa deck i had

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I'd play Caesar if I wanted to do tokens

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or Zargu

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😒

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[[$master multiplied]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Or anything not saying "Hi, Play legendaries kthx" on the cardboard

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at least one version is somewhat cheap

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I never watched dr who

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same

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too old of a show for me

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so the dude doesnt inspire me

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Although I say that and I hate Serrah Farron

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i only like the cloning part

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its dumb and fun

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the real master

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[[cloak and dagger]]

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so when i had my master out and swing with them

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cloak and dagger trigger on each entering

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so i can have each one be like "This is mine. NO, this is mine"

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having at least one copy staying alive is relevant when 3 toughness dies easily

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[[Knuckles]]

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Multiple cards match “Knuckles”, can you be more specific?

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[[Knuckles the ech]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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[[brass knucle ]]

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No card found for “brass knucle”

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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He fits well

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yeah new cards good

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Professional who?

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huh?

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[[Professional]]

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Multiple cards match “Professional”, can you be more specific?

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[[Professional face]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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I know you love powercreep

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🙄 i can somewhat tolerant mana dorks and stuff to a degree

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i dont want more sol rings in the game

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I agree with that

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imagine [[springleaf drum]] but without the tap condition needed

zealous ridgeBOT
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Sol ring makes games shittier for those who doesnt draw it

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but one copy of sol ring is already auto include for b2 and above

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if your game has more copies

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you have to have super harsh restrictions to not play any

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or be at a massive disadvantage around everyone else

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