Looking to upgrade this Urza deck to cEDH
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/iqiCnpUgN0OyOVAKFp6J-Q
No budget, just looking for potential upgrades to get to 8/9/maybe low 10 so it could compete one day if i ever buy it
#Urza cEDH
ebon jolt
rain berry
the basic recipe for a cedh deck is fast mana, tutors, lots of interaction
ebon jolt
that's fair, things like jewled lotus, lotus petal, etc
rain berry
for U Urza in particular, stax is going to be your main strategy as you build some sort of wincon, usually assembling an infinite mana combo to cast your entire deck, then win from there (ex. Jace or Labman with a draw effect or Thoracle)
ebon jolt
my usual win condition as of now is memnarch to just mind control all permanants
or [[Cyberdrive Awakener]]/[[Mechanized Production]] + some infinite turn combi idk about yet
rain berry
these are probably to slow or fragile for cedh
ebon jolt
i agree, but they work wonders in casual
also, what artifact destruction can i run? i got hard countered by a [[Mesmiric Orb]] once and it occured to me that lots of artifact tech exists in cedh
wary cliffBOT
rain berry
you're primarily going to be countering it to stop it from ever hitting the board
ebon jolt
that's faor enough, so what counters are good? i know things like swan song, offer, and force of will are staples in blue decks, but what else?
rain berry
all of them
ebon jolt
just all the counterspells or those 3?
ebon jolt
what is the consencus on limited counterspells? like uhh what was it . . . that one mana one that only counters instants
rain berry
its good
you will often engage in counterspell battles
where multiple people are layering several counterspells on the stack
ebon jolt
alright, so i need a better wincon, fast mana, and way more interaction, so what should I be cutting?
rain berry
realistically
ebon jolt
most of it?
rain berry
remove everything and start from scratch
ebon jolt
fair enough
okay, so starting from scratch, I want to have multiple wincons, because i should have time to set up because of all my stax effects
rain berry
you want to have 1 wincon with several lines towards it
that way if one piece gets cut off, another route is probably in your hand
ebon jolt
in that case Thoracle is probably the way to go
rain berry
yeah, a good thing to do is to look up cEDH Urza Stax builds and see what other people are doing
ebon jolt
gotcha
rain berry
bonus points for watching gameplay
cedh games are short anyway so it shouldn't take too long to watch a couple games
ebon jolt
how many infinites is too many? i wanted to do iso/rev, rings/monolith, and maybe one more
unless those are bad in cedh
rain berry
as many as you can fit without compromising the gameplan
so if you have to start cutting counterspells, you've gone too far
rain berry
I wouldn't recommend it
you will rarely assemble all 3, and they give colorless mana which you will have plenty of
ebon jolt
i see, too slow?
rain berry
you want fetches and lands that either give blue mana, or give an instant utility, like Ancient Tomb or Urza's Saga
ebon jolt
are shock lands good or no because we're mono?
rain berry
you cant run any shocks