#Looking for help with my no creatures deck! (Ovika, Enigma Goliath)

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gentle pecan
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Hey there! I knew I had to build this crazy Spellslinger deck with no creatures the minute I read Ovika’s ability.
I’ve built out the deck and have playtested it on moxfield with some moderate success. The idea is to get my commander out asap, which is a bit difficult to do with a 7 mana commander but that’s what the rocks are for! And then cast a bunch of big spells, flood the board, beef them up, and swing!

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/94kr9wmSOkmejgjMq8y1VQ

I’m hoping for a bit of advice for cards that I may not know about or haven’t realized how good they could be in this deck. Again NO CREATURES! , Purphoros is in here but I don’t think I’ll ever hit the 5 devotion so I’m not worried about that.

Thanks in Advance!!

A deck created using Moxfield.
ovika - Commander (Ovika, Enigma Goliath)

A deck created using the deck building website, Moxfield.

spiral juniper
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I am not a huge fan of counters like Mana leak and Spell pierce in commander, as there is generally more mana around than in other formats, so they may just be duds, especially in the late game.
If you want more cheap hard counters, consider [[offer you can't refuse]] and [[swan song]]

glacial geyserBOT
spiral juniper
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Also there is 0 reason to run cancel over any of the other 3 mana counters that are strictly better

atomic sandal
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hellooo
curse of opulence and visions of ruin could be nice ramp for the deck
since you have 20+ artifacts, considering Thoughtcast and other spell that reduces their own cost would be nice

gentle pecan
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Thanks Jayrab! I figured I’d need to play a bit of control before I got my commander out which is why I have some of these counters that I just had lying around are in here but you’re right, I should look into more efficient counters

gentle pecan
pulsar laurel
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into the story only works with opponent graveyard being more than 7. i suppose you can opt out for a mystic confluence instead

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if you dont care about the draw part section, Anticipate and impulse are better than Deliberate as they dig deeper

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Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Metallurgic Summonings and shark typhoon also pumps out tokens and arent creatures

gentle pecan
pulsar laurel
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Slip Out the Back is also a nice protection card but i think you might prefer Lazotep Plating as it protects the whole board

pulsar laurel
gentle pecan
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Yeah but the idea is once I have my commander and kindred out, whenever I play a spell, I’ll draw a ton of cards because I’ll make a ton of Phyrexian Goblins

pulsar laurel
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if you are looking for more 1cmc draw spells than opt, the list goes something like consider, ponder, brainstorm, preordain and serum vision

spiral juniper
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[[Lazotep plating]]

glacial geyserBOT
spiral juniper
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I guess here it depends how often your other permanents being targeted matters or if a 1 mana protection spell might not be more efficient

gentle pecan
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I think protecting my enchantments or artifacts might be nice

pulsar laurel
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thats true too i dont think it needed as well and the deck packs so many 1cmc protection spell

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all the creature base spell arent very good when you dont have creatures on board

gentle pecan
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Like which?

pulsar laurel
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anything that need creatures to operate usually like battle hymm or golbin bombardment

gentle pecan
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Right, but I’m going to be making a ton of tokens

pulsar laurel
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you probably have to reduce them and add more ramp instead

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yeah you should be focusing on the ramp to get your legendary out first before deciding to add those spells

spiral juniper
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I sort of agree with not having too many cards that expect you to have a board, since you need to have your 7 mana commander in play first. Some are ok

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Like obviously you want payoffs for when your commander hits

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Some of them may feel a bit Winmore

gentle pecan
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I’m willing to let them go for more ramp

pulsar laurel
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yeah i understand those payoff but at 7cmc is alot and you be required to run more ramp than other decks

gentle pecan
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Agreed

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What other ramp could I add then?

spiral juniper
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It's important to not count cards like battle hymn as ramp

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At least not in this deck

gentle pecan
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That makes sense

spiral juniper
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Idk if this deck really needs a huge ritual anyway

pulsar laurel
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[[mana geyser]] is a huge ritual but i dont think so either

glacial geyserBOT
spiral juniper
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I would understand it if your wincon was some huge X spell

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Mana geyser is good because it just works regardless of your boardstate

pulsar laurel
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also those that reduce instant and sorcery spells arent consider ramp too

gentle pecan
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Hm, okay okay, I’m sensing a trend here. Looks like I’ll need a bit of a rehaul with this deck. I appreciate your guys’ help.

Adding Mana Geyser

pulsar laurel
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[[relic of coalition ]] maybe as it ramps from 3 to 6

glacial geyserBOT
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No card found for “relic of coalition”

pulsar laurel
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[[Coalition Relic]]

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gentle pecan
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How do I keep adding charge counters to coalition relic if they are removed in main phase?

pulsar laurel
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you would need to skip a turn of adding a mana to add a charge counter

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then it gets remove during your precombat phase and you have one extra mana

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it unlikely you get to add 2 charge counters unless you have some proliferate stuff or things to add charge counter to

spiral juniper
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lol, coalition relic is so oldschool

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I barely see people use it anymore

pulsar laurel
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i still use it for when it need multiple colors at once

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not alot of cards gives out 2 individual colors

spiral juniper
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Yeah but it's a bit inconsistent in doing this

pulsar laurel
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well it not alot of choices i can take what i have

spiral juniper
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in a way I almost kinda prefer [[worn powerstone]] here

glacial geyserBOT
spiral juniper
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cause at least it always taps for 2

pulsar laurel
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if not you can look for 4 mana add 2 colorless artifacts too then

gentle pecan
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Added

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I definitely need a ton of rocks, I feel

pulsar laurel
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4 to 7 gives a better way to get your 7cmc creature out

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Hedron Archive or stonespeaker crystal

gentle pecan
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Fantastic! I dig it!

pulsar laurel
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idk why you need so much protection spells when ovika has ward 3 as well

gentle pecan
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I feel like my meta has a ton of targeted removal and I run higher protection than most but maybe I’m just being worrisome

pulsar laurel
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also i think ovika ability does reduce the amount of goblin when you cast at a reduce mana

gentle pecan
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Oh really?? Idk where but I think read that it doesn’t. Alternate costs I read don’t change the mana value. So like overload, I wouldn’t make overload goblins, just the regular MV

pulsar laurel
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maybe if you tried flashback a higher cost spell than the flashback cost it would work

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yeah thats the secondary spell mode which should count for the original but idk if it reduce would count the original

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need a second opinion

gentle pecan
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Hm, I’m not sure

pulsar laurel
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i would assume since you reduce the spell cost it now that mana value

gentle pecan
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“An object’s mana value is always based on the mana cost of the object. Even if you pay more or less to cast it or use an alternate casting cost, the mana value will remain the same.”

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I also just read that split cards have a mana value of the two splits added together

pulsar laurel
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i guess that should be right then

spiral juniper
gentle pecan
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Oh got it

spiral juniper
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When you cast one side of a split card then the mana value of the spell is the manavalue of whatever side you cast.

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Though I think if you cast both sides of a fuse card, the mana value is added together

pulsar laurel
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that should be right i remb from cascading but i forgot the difference between mana value and mana cost

atomic sandal
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[[Empowered autogenerator]] is a bit slower but can start making alot of mana after a couple turn
[[Inspired tinkering]] will "draw" cards and make treasures for you

glacial geyserBOT
steep vigil
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Use[[hard evidence]]

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