#Ride the Cyclone

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quaint heart
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.....no

wary scroll
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🤔

quaint heart
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yes 😔

azure jewel
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people really like rtc; I just got a tumblr ask about it earlier today

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rtc as 4th base script when ‼️‼️

karmic kindle
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rtc is awsome

quaint heart
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Aight folks, it's time. I'm wanting to replace Dreamer but idk what to do it with so any suggestions?

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Current random options:

  • Amnesiac amnesiac = Super flexible. Decent Boffin Ability. ✅ Little time to solve. Cop-Out? ❌
  • Bounty Hunter bounty_hunter = Good Boffin Ability. Dreamer vibes ✅ Weird with MM-Jinx. A lot of evil pointers. Xaan sadness. ❌
  • Chambermaid chambermaid = Kinda Dreamer like. ✅ Too strong/more like an FT though. ❌
  • Engineer engineer = Very wild suggestion but world limiter in a way. Ok-ish Boffin ✅ Would probably need a 5th Minion to really make it feel better and that has issues ❌
  • Investigator investigator = Good with silent Minions. Balanced by Xaan. ✅ Is Investigator. A lot of YSK ❌
  • Philosopher philosopher = Was on here and good. Great Boffin. ✅ Not really filling gaps of Dreamer. Pixie on script ❌
  • Undertaker undertaker = Finds hidden Minions. Good Boffin sometimes. ✅ Think Cannibal is better.Doesnt shine enough ❌
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  • Virgin virgin = Not bad Boffin. Can find Minions. Interesting with Xaan ✅ Even more confirmation that even Boffin is a lot. ❌
fast leaf
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"Is Investigator"

quaint heart
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for ease also

quaint heart
fast leaf
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BH and Philo seem to come out best in this list and also have both been on before

quaint dew
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I don't know if it's that weird with the mm jinx

quaint heart
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It's probably not super weird

quaint dew
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it feels a bit like chambermaid

quaint heart
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Wdym

quaint dew
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ok what is weird to you about the MM-Bh jinx

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just spell it out to me like i'm 4

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bc maybe we're thinking of different things

quaint heart
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MM-AlHad jinx can only pick good players so not getting the exact choice of players you want because 1 of them was BH turned can be a bit weird

quaint dew
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ye

quaint heart
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But it might not be too bad in practise actually

quaint dew
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i think its fine

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and how I'd run it is like chambermaid picks a dead player by accident

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i think in practice it's fine

quaint heart
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If BH came on, do I keep Shugenja 🤔 probably not

quaint dew
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so why do you want dreamer off?

wary scroll
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Paradox bluffed Dreamer as the Al-Had and he lost ||/j||

quaint heart
# quaint dew so why do you want dreamer off?

It's never been the best fit for the script because it doesnt have as much to shine. With only 1 Demon type it's not an interesting world limiter beyond Minions, so really it becomes a confirmation character but only for Day 1 & 2. It can find Damsels if good but nothing much more.

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tbh, i dont even really think that character we talked about @wary scroll would be the best lol but maybe

quaint dew
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ok

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Another question

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Why did King+Choirboy come off?

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i guess it's poor for boffin

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it came off earlier than boffin went on

quaint heart
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I think one reason is that I didn't want to explore that interaction. King Choirboy Al-Had is a very interesting trio but I think I wanted just a more solid Al-Had script at the time

quaint dew
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That's fair.

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I think it is an interesting trio still, but it doesn't interact that well with boffin sadly

quaint heart
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Could they come on? Idk really. I dont think they'd feel off but yeah only King is an ok Boffin ability and Boffin has a strong foundation

quaint dew
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What gaps would you want this cahracter to fill

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A confirmation character/something that doesn't point a whole lot?

quaint heart
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That is a good question. Dreamer came off but I dont really know if a confirmation character is what I want.

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I think at a Minimum it should be a decent Boffin Ability

quaint dew
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There a bunch of characters which don't work, but ye, at this stage script making becomes painful

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Something that the demon could either use to confirm itself or use to deduce better kills

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w/o a spy

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Bounty Hunter is cool honestly

quaint heart
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Yeah I like BH

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But Shugenja I think should go

quaint dew
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murder me if you disagree but

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Huntsman?

quaint heart
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Maybe, but Like I dont think you ever have time to make a reasonable shot

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N2 is like the only time

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Maybe I try it though lol

quaint dew
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depends on how willing your damsels are to die

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which is

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very willing

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But in theory, which is just in the strictest sense

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In theory

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Which may not play out at all in practice

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But if you don't shoot N2 and there are no damsel dead claims after D2

quaint heart
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Eh let's try it lol!

quaint dew
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You can probably rule out the other two people picked by the Alhad

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So your shots are more consistent

quaint dew
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maybe in practise it is 'oh... the damsel died N2'

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'Guess i die'

quaint heart
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Well confirmation chains are powerful

quaint dew
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and the outsider mod does make it a decent boffin ability

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but ye, get other opinions if you so desire :P

azure jewel
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but I do like huntsman

quaint dew
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What does general do here again

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yay

azure jewel
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boffin-huntsman to modify the outsider count is a classic

quaint dew
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huntsman enjoyers unite!

azure jewel
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oh autumn congrats on the pronouns 🎉

patent parcel
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I'm thinking SC miiiiight work here. Might.

azure jewel
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Snake has been on here before

quaint dew
azure jewel
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I don't quite remember why Paradox took it off?

quaint dew
azure jewel
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maybe because it sucked

quaint dew
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I don't think it works as well as the ones Paradox mentioned

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Snek isn't as good w Boffin

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(Though... it might be good in another way in theory)

patent parcel
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It does a funny interaction where the demon picks themselves and just gets perma-poisoned.

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It's like the self-picking Pukka

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On a budget

azure jewel
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not really - the SC ability gets poisoned

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not the demon

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it's in the almanac

quaint heart
# azure jewel I don't quite remember why Paradox took it off?

It didnt have the outs at the time for a successful swap so a lot of the times a Swap was just game over. No madness, nopit-hag stuff. Even alt win cons at the time weren't consistent. MM helps a bit but issue is that original demon can out that and more effectively play around

patent parcel
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Oh. You ruined it.

quaint dew
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If a Snake Charmer charms the Demon early

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The Boffin can give the new demon an out of play bluff

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So it is indirect synergy

sick lichen
patent parcel
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Yeah, ignore me. SC does not work here.

sick lichen
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join the she/they legion!

quaint dew
sick lichen
quaint dew
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ok fun but ye let's help paradox make this script even better!

quaint heart
quaint dew
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I do think try out Huntsman

azure jewel
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it's confirmation when it hits :)

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also it's fish/hp/savant synergy + stellar cannibal food

quaint dew
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And it's a character that is very willing to pretend to be a damsel when dead

quaint dew
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I really love Huntsman. It's a shame that the Outsider mod part of it makes it pretty disliked

patent parcel
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Okay, this is kinda out of left field but what about FG?

quaint dew
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Flowergirl?

patent parcel
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Yep

quaint dew
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Not great for boffin

quaint heart
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deletes Fang Gu from the script tool

quaint dew
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Which is a minimum for paradox

quaint heart
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Well BH is coming on instead of Dreamer

quaint dew
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But also, Flowergirl with a demon that can't move is very strong

quaint heart
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I just want to take Shugenja off cause it's a lot of YSK evils

quaint dew
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It's fine on SnV because you have Pit Hag/Fang Gu

patent parcel
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I think Boffin has plenty here. Puzzlemaster, Fisherman, High Priestess, Savant, etc.

quaint heart
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So another character doesnt need Boffin synergy (but better if so)

quaint dew
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oki

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Idm BH either

quaint heart
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No no there's 2 spots yeah

wary scroll
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boffed huntsman is fire

quaint dew
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Oh two spots?

wary scroll
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add a damsel

quaint heart
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Dreamer -> BH.
Because BH is coming on, Shugenja is coming off, so something for Shugenja

quaint dew
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Ohh

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1 thing which is... something

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Huntsman turns even less trusted

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Bc you will get Storytellers run a Bounty Hunter turned Huntsman with +1 Damsel

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idk if that's bad in practise. It may even be fun

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god forbid anyone has fun playing this script

patent parcel
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Honestly, I'd rather have BH-turned Huntsman than a BH-turned HP or Savant.

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Those are a lot scarier.

quaint heart
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BH is like double boffin lol

quaint dew
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Yeah but that's awesome

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IMO

quaint heart
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Boffin Stonkls

patent parcel
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Yeah, they work with the same townsfolk.

quaint dew
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like

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Now a High Priestess which seems a bit off

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Could be the Demon

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Or the BH turned townsfolk

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And BH turned townsfolk could try and frame themeslves as a dmeon

quaint heart
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A great thing about BH Boffin too is that you dont ever have to show the teammayte

patent parcel
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Wait, I've got it! Juggler!

quaint heart
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Solo Demon

patent parcel
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Strong Boffin ability,

quaint dew
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no

patent parcel
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Good BH turn

quaint dew
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Juggler Alhad

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there is 1 demn

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demon

quaint heart
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Xaan carries as much as it can

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but it's not as effective

quaint dew
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So the Juggler just juggles 3/4 players as the Alhad

quaint heart
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Juggler has had this journey so many times lol

quaint dew
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And either cuts the grim in half, or not

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ye

patent parcel
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Oh right, not enough misinfo to cover for that

quaint heart
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but if Summoner came on 👀

patent parcel
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Artist is busted because it can do that.

quaint dew
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Juggler is wonderful on scripts with more than 1 demon

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Summoner

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Is...

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Well actually it's kinda awesome

patent parcel
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Summoner is a little loud here, doncha think?

quaint dew
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No

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The Alhad got an update

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Which means it only may pick players to die

azure jewel
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summoner feels really strong

wary scroll
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ikr its awesome

patent parcel
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Huh

quaint dew
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So it can fake a summoner night

patent parcel
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I need to watch the wiki more.

quaint dew
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yeah

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summoner is likely really strong

quaint heart
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I dont think Summoner is coming on anytime soon fwiw, ooh look a Tiara!

azure jewel
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WHERE

quaint dew
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Idk if it is actually strong

patent parcel
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Nightwatchman? That might work.

quaint heart
quaint heart
quaint dew
wary scroll
quaint dew
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It proves you aren't a Minion, but it doesn't disprove you are a Demon

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And also Nightwatchman+Bounty Hunter means... ok you got a ping but you don't even know if the Nightwatchman is good

azure jewel
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also boffin

quaint dew
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ye

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Like these are all reasonable suggestions

patent parcel
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Yeah, that's nerfing it too much. Back to the drawing board.

quaint dew
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I am just going over why these aren't perfect

azure jewel
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idk i wanna see shugenja/dreamer out bh/huntsman in

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huntsman nation

quaint dew
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ye I think it might be neat!

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And somehow

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We just made this a better boffin script!

wary scroll
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paradox you should add poppy grower

quaint dew
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wild how that happens

patent parcel
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That's terrible

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No PG

quaint dew
patent parcel
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Al-Had can't kill the Poppygrower

quaint dew
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I think bhamber was joking

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Bu

maiden jolt
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paradox you should add LoT

quaint dew
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I can't be sure

wary scroll
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that's my mystery

quaint dew
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I can't oppose this

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I am the server's #1 LoT enjoyer

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ok maybe that's not true

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But I can't escape it

azure jewel
wary scroll
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the true night vision goggles experience bounty_hunter

azure jewel
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paradox you should add ||llongjawn||

wary scroll
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omg speculation!!!!!!!!1

maiden jolt
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1

quaint dew
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paradox you should add my homebrew characters

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i swear they're good

wary scroll
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i did suggest homebrew to Paradox earlier and he beat me up

quaint dew
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ngl

azure jewel
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didnt paradox make a hb version of ride the cyclone

wary scroll
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i do think he wants this script to be playable on this server (homebrew not allowed in pickup games)

azure jewel
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with that mushroom minion

quaint dew
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oh

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i meant he did try it right?

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i hope you see what i did there

patent parcel
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Btw, how long has this script been in development?

quaint dew
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Posted August of 2024

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...

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god that's a while

patent parcel
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Sounds about right for most scripts.

azure jewel
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9 months

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that's more than a baby

patent parcel
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This is more important than a baby

quaint dew
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wait it's only slightly older than CS? I thought this was around forever

azure jewel
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no rtc is relatively new

quaint dew
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i mean

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I get that it's a newer Alhad script

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but i didn't realise it is a p baby one

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Well I'm stoked for this new RtC

sick lichen
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I mean

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RtC would be better without HP :3

patent parcel
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...why?

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I think I'm missing something.

maiden jolt
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lol

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req hates HP

quaint dew
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Don't mind her

sick lichen
# patent parcel I think I'm missing something.

[Clairifcation: this is my own opinion] High Priestess is a dysfunctional townsfolk that can't be run well without its ability being "Each night, learn a player" or "Each night, learn a good player" as well as it being exclusionary to the neurodivergent group of clocktower players who can't social read in the manner that HP requires.

quaint dew
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She just is under a curse to diss high priestess for 1d4 years.

maiden jolt
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it was a wizard wish

quaint heart
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Version 5.1

In: bounty_hunter huntsman
Out: shugenja dreamer

The dreamers of the world have been replaced by rugged hunters! Lots of fun boffin abilities here and definitely interesting to see where it goes!

stone breach
quaint dew
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GS?

quaint heart
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Grim Scenarios likely and not a convo to continue in my forum :3

lime vapor
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King does seem like it could be a fun addition at some point. There's no need for a Choirboy with this evil suite

quaint dew
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Choirboyless King?

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I feel like King Choirboy often come together for a reason

lime vapor
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To protect the King from an early night death. The Al-Had can't force that

quaint dew
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That is true

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But King+Choirboy is an interesting duo for a reason

odd zealot
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wouldn't choirboy be super strong here

quaint dew
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And I think King's decision making becomes more interesting w Choirboy

odd zealot
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king self kill 🔥

quaint dew
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But...

odd zealot
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like technically the demon can just never select the king, but this also semi confirm the king

quaint dew
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Yeah? Like the Demon knows who the king is

quaint dew
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And if it isn't, then it's a great pointing bluff that wastes a day

lime vapor
quaint dew
odd zealot
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that's why good won so many game

lime vapor
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Then so do Kings 😁

odd zealot
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i think king always do suicide strat here though, 50% chance to end the game immediately

quaint dew
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maybe an Alhad bluffing king will at last give the Alhad an excuse to stop picking themselves

odd zealot
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truer word have never been spoken

lime vapor
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But yes, I don't think Choirboy is necessary on this kind of script. It's confirmation that the King is real, which can be good, but if that dynamic is too strong it works fine without it on this style of script imo

odd zealot
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but yeah, i think the thing that distinguish king versus alhad is king almost always want to die, while alhad always want to live

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though a minion bluffing king would be super funny

lime vapor
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If there's no Choirboy on script why would a King pick die? You're a blank token if you do

odd zealot
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no im talking if it's king + cb

quaint heart
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Bounty Hunter Boffin feels good :)

sick lichen
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BH-Boffin feels unsolvable

quaint heart
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Then burn 😎 🔥

north lance
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It's less strong that that

quaint dew
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it did

fiery ginkgo
quaint dew
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and that was in the era of mez Snakecharmer

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There is a flipside to it though

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Interactions which were concerning like Mez-Banshee

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Now can be avoided by good Storytelling

quaint heart
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Plus you argue that it isn't likely to be considered but I think it's something folks should be aware of - Boffin BH, Puzzlemaster, Village Idiot (depending on ruling) are those fringe things that help.

karmic kindle
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Honestly not really a bad idea to send an HP to an evil TF as they’ll probably fumble something

patent parcel
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I think that considering a boffin-BH is like playing around a self-poisoning Widow.

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In that town never does it, but they really should

karmic kindle
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self poisoning widow doesn’t usually have a mechanical effect aside from “the demon knows who everyone is”

quaint heart
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I've ST'd a game where the Demon used the chance that a solo Village Idiot would be Boffin Drunk and won the game. If players want to acknowledge it they can and should but not gonna be end of the world if they dont

sick lichen
ashen mango
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oh i mean tbh the last game of RTC where Boffin Bounty Hunter happened the Evil TF simply just bluffed true VI info and did nothing

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it’s not as strong as long as you don’t show the demon who the evil TF is straight away

fast leaf
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force a minion to die first malice

ashen mango
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oh i mean it was a game of all time for distinct other reasons

quaint heart
ashen mango
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the banshee picked live 😭

quaint heart
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It was a smart move!

quaint dew
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2 base 3 characters on this whole script

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And one of them is completely reworked bc of the jinx

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Insane

quaint heart
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RtC the Experimental Base Four?!

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Aight time to remove Savant

quaint dew
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Nuooooo

azure jewel
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It's okay when the expansions come out we can swap it

quaint dew
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Carousel will solve it 🙏

quaint heart
karmic kindle
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There’s an easy solution here

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Let’s just remove Savant from SNV

quaint dew
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Imagine out disappointment when we find out the new 3 scripts are just the base 3 with bigger marketing

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Can't improve on perfection

errant haven
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Also is the premise of this script that it's a constantly changing script? Or are the changes just for balance?

quaint heart
# errant haven Is there a particular reason why shugenja and dreamer are swapped with bounty hu...

Dreamer was the role coming off the script because I felt it's potential wasn't being explored enough- just beign a great Boffin ability but kinda too strong role/terrible bluff. With Dreamer coming off, I wanted another good Boffin ability and Bounty Hunter seemed like a great fit. Shugenja and BH then filled similar niches so I opted to have Shugenja come off and that made space for another role in which im trying Huntsman in

errant haven
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I see. Hm cuz I wanna print out the script for my group but don't want to have to constantly print new versions. I also dislike bounty hunter so I might settle for 5.0 until 6.0 comes out lol

quaint dew
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At least ones which are being refined

quaint dew
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Scripts can be so unpredictable when they update

errant haven
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The scripts I've printed out are pretty set in stone so I'm just looking for things that are pretty set/well tested enough that any new version works

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Oh also what's the premise of the script? I don't get the name

quaint heart
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But for he most part it’s just an Al had script

errant haven
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I see. Thanks, I'ma try the script out

quaint dew
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It's an al had script which, ever since the release of boffin, had a strong focus on boffin

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It has puzzling minions, and Al Had is a very interesting demon

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It is always dramatic

errant haven
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I see, interesting

karmic kindle
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It’s also the script that made me realize the Al-had MM jinx is good actually

quaint dew
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It is the script that made Paradox realise the Al-had MM jinx is good actually

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:P

quaint dew
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Well it took a little while

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I am also someone who is v cautious w jinxes

wary scroll
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personally i say 7 jinxes upon ye

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i think Ride the Cyclone could do with more jinxes

quaint dew
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I don't:P

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I like when stuff works like the text says it does

sick lichen
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bhamber was invented by big djinn to sell more jinxes

quaint dew
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back to the lamp w you!

azure jewel
wary scroll
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hermit RTC, does it work?

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@quaint heart

quaint heart
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bo

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*no

wary scroll
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bo

quaint heart
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idk

quaint dew
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Hermit???

wary scroll
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funny innit

quaint heart
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Plague Doctor -> Hermit?

quaint dew
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Hmm

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Golem Damsel Hermit?

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That seems harsh

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Could work

wary scroll
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it seems awesome

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and radical as hell

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tubular, even

covert knoll
# quaint heart Plague Doctor -> Hermit?

might be a bit boring to have a damsel who can choose to die without a major downside. i think id usually nom myself d1 or d2 and that makes it a less interesting bluff too

chrome hinge
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bo

opaque delta
wary scroll
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paradox think about it

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the dynamics of princess when the al-had, al-had wants to abstain to not confirm princess y'know

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but

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that means players can bluff princess to get the effects without need of princess

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AND boffed princess means the al-had can just not abstain if they wanna and be seemingly hard confirmed?

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and as such, al-hads will wanna not abstain sometimes and hard confirm a princess so that people build the princess boffed as hell

quaint heart
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No

wary scroll
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why not :(

quaint heart
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Dont wanna

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:)

wary scroll
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fair enough

soft plinth
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i like how everyone has reacted to princess with “meh”

ashen mango
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Good won

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Im not sure how to feel about BH on this script, i wonder if king is better?

buoyant moth
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wait why did the banshee and knight choose live

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😭

ashen mango
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oh no banshee died

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knight picked live

buoyant moth
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oh was this an exe

ashen mango
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yes

buoyant moth
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i assumed the al had died in the night from their choices

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lol

ashen mango
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all evil f3 but banshee in play so the evils just outed and did a dorito

ashen mango
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yes

quaint heart
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Yeah when i see an actual BH I’ll mske judgement lol

ashen mango
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like para why am i always the boffin BH on this script

stone breach
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Useless mastermind strikes again

quaint heart
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Banshee gaming is fire though

ashen mango
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idk BH has so many failure points

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like any name could be xaan drunk so i question the net utility of the BH as a TF in play

quaint heart
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Did Boffin BgH see the evil?

ashen mango
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and also PM drunk

ashen mango
quaint heart
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Ok good

ashen mango
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but the Evil HP saw the Al Had d1

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the demon dc'd for a while tho so they couldnt coordinate

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but it couldve easily been 4 coordinated evil votes

quaint heart
ashen mango
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i think king is a neat experiment here

quaint heart
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What does King do though

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Learns Mastermind

ashen mango
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does king stuff ig

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confirms good players

quaint heart
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Or Boomdandy

ashen mango
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paradox the king can see good roles as well 😭

buoyant moth
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it can learn there's an al-hadikhia in play

ashen mango
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true!

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like i just think that solo king has a really cool play pattern with al hadikhia in particular

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since it needs to live to learn its info anyways so it REALLY wants to greed with Al-Had

quaint heart
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Y’all we’re under a time pressure now 😭 RtC is hopefully going on the BotC Scripts Page

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Hmmmm maybe King is the Dreamer replacement I wanted

ashen mango
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i mean its confirmation right

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but like in a cooler way

wary scroll
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that game was so weird tbh

ashen mango
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bhamber you knew this

wary scroll
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oh i guess i did so true (i didn't)

ashen mango
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anyways paradox believe in the pixlate method of intution

quaint heart
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What if I do Huntsman for King

ashen mango
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no 😭

quaint heart
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As a compromise

ashen mango
#

dog 😭

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the issue with a coordinated bounty hunter is that town has much fewer executions

quaint heart
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On the flip side, the game allowed for coordinated BH

ashen mango
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ok but that's boffin BH

quaint heart
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No it’s not lol

ashen mango
#

regular BH feels like too low a payoff

quaint heart
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“Dawg”

ashen mango
#

?

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the game above was Boffin BH

quaint heart
#

I think BH’s fine

ashen mango
#

sure

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i just want solo King to work 😔

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Huntsman for King is cool

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but like maybe run regular BH

quaint heart
#

Huntsman’s neat but meh I don’t think the average player will use it right

ashen mango
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cuz all the BH games have been Boffin BH as far as im aware

quaint heart
#

Yeah

ashen mango
#

to me huntsman is cool as a boffin ability

quaint heart
#

It is

ashen mango
#

there has been 1 good Boffin BH script and its NVG by Axo

quaint heart
#

But like I want huntsmen to have a decent chance to find the damsel sbd on this script I don’t think it’s likely

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You have to shoot N2 most of the time

ashen mango
#

i mean tbh the real utility of huntsman is that a good player knows to do damsel cover

quaint heart
#

Yeah but the average Joe doesn’t know that

ashen mango
#

dog its solo Al Had 😭 we're not catering for the Average Joe

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ts is intermediate

buoyant moth
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solo al-hads fairly popular in customs tbf

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you dont see it all the time but like

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people like it

ashen mango
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RtC is the only Solo Al Had script i know

quaint heart
#

Reptiles

ashen mango
#

oh true

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tbf that's a heretic script

quaint heart
#

Not if you run v2 lol

ashen mango
#

moreso than an al had script

buoyant moth
#

solo al-had is the primary form of al-had script

ashen mango
#

Midnight Oasis moment

quaint heart
#

It’s a stormcaught acript really

buoyant moth
#

mo is a weird script

ashen mango
#

i mean Double Whammy (after Paradox) exists but that's a meme script

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oh and there's The Toom

wary scroll
#

you could put princess on it, paradox

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just saying

ashen mango
#

princess i think is actually actively bad here

quaint heart
#

I could

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But I don’t think it’s that great

ashen mango
#

the King beckons

wary scroll
#

it's aura, but sure

quaint heart
#

Let’s bring steward back :)

ashen mango
#

RAGHH NO

quaint heart
#

Ok what if I try King and I try Princess (if Princess ptobably change outsiders too cause allergic to jinxes)

wary scroll
#

tbf about princess that jinx isn't even real anyway

quaint heart
#

Yeah but it’s still a jinx

wary scroll
#

you can just like go over it with that like what's the thing called where you put it on paper

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to hide a typo or something

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but yeah just photoshop it out lol

quaint heart
#

I don’t think a whole line of text can be a typo 😭😂

wary scroll
#

TIPP-EX

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that's the thing i was thinking of

quaint heart
#

TPI-ex

wary scroll
#

ex-TPI...

quaint heart
#

What if…
Huntsman -> Princess
Damsel -> Klutz
PD -> like Snitch idk

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Al Had picking themselves on Princess night is interesting

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Princess MM is a little cheesy but 🤷‍♂️

wary scroll
#

isn't that fine lol?

quaint heart
#

With Al-Had jinx it’s more rerack friendly if you wanna consider that

quaint heart
wary scroll
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oh i see like mastermind bluffing princess and stuff?

chrome hinge
#

Maybe with alhad it's different

quaint heart
#

It’s probably better

chrome hinge
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But with normal demons it means princess procs are basically never worth it

wary scroll
#

well mastermind is like almost a different character with al-had lol

quaint heart
#

Because Al-Had has to pick

chrome hinge
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Oh true

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Yeah it's prob better with alhad then

quaint heart
#

Urghhhh fine bhamber you win

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We’ll try Princess

wary scroll
#

i think you're winning here

quaint heart
#

But sorry Pixlate you lose Bounty Hunter stays on

wary scroll
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cause you're gonna see a really fun interaction. hopefully

quaint heart
#

I become bhamber’s alignment

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Wait…

wary scroll
#

👀

quaint heart
#

👀

wary scroll
#

wdym wait what are you doing

quaint heart
#

Rose Bride reference :(

wary scroll
#

oh

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cool reference!

wary scroll
#

could there be room for Hermit with Golem/PM/Klutz?

quaint heart
#

Ehh technically yes but I’m more content with Xaan flexibility

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And I’d want to encourage evil to obfuscate that bu being able to claim outsiders more freely

wary scroll
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fair fair

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i do like xaan snitch a whole lot btw

quaint heart
#

Ick

quaint heart
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it had come to my attention that princess would have brought the jixn count up to 4 (shh bhamber) so trying something with changing out Cannibal for Amnesiac. Cannibal is neat for sure but not core so seeing what Amne can do. Yeah Amne's the flexible role but with now Princess, it gets more time to act and solve as well as idk Boffin Amne is probably cool

wary scroll
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ohhhh that princess/amne IS a good interaction!!!

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btw i'm not a fan of princess interrupting the eaches... i don't think that looks nice :(

quaint heart
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it's a bit of a cop-out role but hey sue me

wary scroll
#

consider this: the banshee holds the crown

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it's pretty cool huh

quaint heart
#

:0

buoyant moth
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fuck amne princess is such a good interaction

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yoinking it as a possible TPOT interaction if I need to change any townsfolk

wary scroll
#

princess joining with this update is like the main barrier from amne just being a cop-out

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i think as long as it's noted to make amnes here solvable quickly, it's cool

quaint heart
#

1 weird thing about Princess is that it's another role that can reveal a Xaan 2 but like not in a bad way

iron escarp
#

What am I missing that Princess has so much synergy with Amne?

wary scroll
#

another day to guess

iron escarp
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Ah right, a successful Princess extends the game by half a day, sure

lime vapor
#

Sobbing because there's still no King

ashen mango
#

dw sean i keep trying to convince para

void kraken
fiery ginkgo
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Princess, Al-had, MM is v cool tbf

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Wait no

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Hmm

quaint heart
#

Ride the Cyclone V5.2

In: princess amnesiac snitch klutz
Out: huntsman cannibal damsel plague_doctor

Someone, not naming any names bhamber, convinced me that Princess is cool on this script and I think it will be maybe. And with every update, a few things get updated. The Huntsman-Damsel duo are coming off because I don't think this is the right environement for them all in all. And that lead to changing up the Outsiders slightly to help with jinxes too - giving the Xaan flexibility but also underlining the importance of them bluffing Outsiders! Cannibal is also coming off to reduce jinxes and that it's also not the most necessary to the script- and Amnesiac takes its place because Princess gives it another day to solve and Boffin Shenanigans can be fun!

wary scroll
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these two look so similar from a distance and it confused me for a sec

stark agate
#

What is the jinx for al-had and princess?

wary scroll
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it's basically "the al-had and princess work as you'd expect"

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truly a marvel of jinx design

stark agate
#

Also, my printer is crying at Paradox 😛

quaint heart
#

It's not me who's making you print these 💅

ashen mango
#

still no King

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😔

quaint heart
#

lies, I am a King 👑

quaint heart
#

#1 stan right there

void kraken
#

i think the reason for the jinx is because of al-had’s “if all live all die” so its just saying exactly what has been said already

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anyways the real question is when will there be a queen

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or a prince

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or a duke

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an earl

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a baron

quaint heart
#

Not discussion for this channel 🫶 check out #speculation-and-spoilers if you're interested

void kraken
#

i know </3

soft plinth
#

game ended d3 when the alhad picked themselves and all players picked live 😔

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it was a noble strat tho

#

Savant Info:

D1: BH turned TF woke up due to their own ability N1 OR Boomdandy neighbors an outsider
D2: Longest Chain of TF is 3 OR The Puzzledrunk player would learn a Shugenja Clockwise

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d1: t/f
d2: t/f

quaint heart
#

How did Princess feel

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And Snitch actually

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AND OMG AN ACTUAL BOUNTY HUNTER

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@soft plinth this is vital data!

soft plinth
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oh sorry im back

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ok so

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princess feels bad here

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like the only things that can prevent it are xaan 2 and PM

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either of them are such specific worlds

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Snitch seemed fine

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the snitch bluffs were Preacher Puzzlemaster and Fisherman

quaint heart
#

Did the Princess trigger?

soft plinth
#

i think Xaan took PM and MM took fish

soft plinth
quaint heart
#

Or did the Al-Had "abstain" as bhamber said

soft plinth
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oh i keep forgetting they can even do that

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i mean

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oh

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spicy

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ok i like princess more here since its actually somewhat bluffable

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however that did not happen 😔

quaint heart
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because I think the upside of getting an extra night and day of info is the aspect tht makes Princess better

soft plinth
#

i mean princess is definitely very strong here already

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its basically a virgin

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(of course not if the alhad abstains)

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anyway

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i really liked BH here

soft plinth
#

idk if it was just this game but it helped town avoid a xaan 2 night

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and people started figuring out that the evil Vi was evil

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they did kill the BH day 2 since balloonist learned the MM then the BH

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but they got half the evil team first

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so pretty strong

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unfortunately the game was cut short because the alhad thought MM triggered from night deaths 😭

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which tbf is a mistake many people make with MM

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anyway i still think Princess is too oppressive here

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because evil team doesnt have any counterplay besides "ST fiat" or "sink"

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but its definitely better now that i remembed alhad can abstain

quaint heart
#

yeah that's the weirdness in it being "doesnt kill"

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i really wish it was "doesnt wake" but alas

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I'd definitely like to test it more; i think i'm ok with it being kinda strong because it's early game strong

soft plinth
#

mhm yeah

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this is only 1 game

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and this is my new favorite paradox script ever since you masacred the other one 😔

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jarvis post the godfather gif

quaint heart
#

bro 😭

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you gotta play it first

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@wary scroll need more princess testing

wary scroll
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okay

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do that

soft plinth
quaint heart
#

#event-listings message Running a Scheduled Game for Princess Update

quaint heart
#

Nice game :)
No princess proc, good snitch times, @wary scroll flubbed an easy win, yeah1

wary scroll
#

i will lose the game for my evil team if it means losing the game

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i meant "reading socially good"

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but evil did still win that btw

soft plinth
#

basically a blank evil token

quaint heart
soft plinth
#

evil paradox

quaint heart
#

sometimes an evil blank token is fine

soft plinth
#

poor thorn

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yeah that’s fair

quaint heart
#

Oh Thorn did guess bhamber and Mayan as Minions and Samobi as the Demon D1 lol

wary scroll
#

it's okay if there was a heretic he would've won

quaint heart
#

But yeah I approached Thorn and said "hey im doing something weird, you're evil"

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and you can either claim something else and just be weird or just be evil

stone breach
#

I put Ride the Cyclone 5.1 on the GS recommended script list

vital steepleBOT
#
!Paradox (He/Him) 🦝
Ride the Cyclone Tagline

1⃣ It's Not A Game, It's Just a Ride
2⃣ This Dream of Life is Never-Ending, It Goes Around and Round Again
3⃣ Your Lucky Number is 7, You Will Soar to Great Heights, Be sure to ride The Cyclone
4⃣ A Death Drop Like No Other
5⃣ We're Just Sailing Through Space!
6⃣ Nah these suck try again

quaint heart
#

what Tag-Line do y'all think I should give RtC :3

vital steepleBOT
#
!Paradox (He/Him) 🦝
Storytelling Difficulty

1⃣ 3
2⃣ 3.5
3⃣ 4
4⃣ 4.5
5⃣ 5

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!Paradox (He/Him) 🦝
Playing Difficulty

1⃣ 3
2⃣ 3.5
3⃣ 4
4⃣ 4.5
5⃣ 5

quaint heart
#

Also cause why not, what do you think the difficulty of RtC generally is. I'd personally go with 3.5/4 Storyteller and 4.5/5 Player as there's only a small handful of roles that require really pertinent action as the Storyteller but for the most part just requires you to know how to run interactions; but playing it can be quite a challenge to know where to risk it and where to play it safe etc- limited executions, Miniosn being very annoying etc

karmic kindle
#

I’ve only ran RTC once and it was a while ago and it’s been updated a lot since then, I remember it being about the same difficulty as I would expect from an intermediate level custom script

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So a 3.5/5 is probably accurate

wary scroll
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after playing RTC 25+ times, it’s not thaaaaaaat difficult hmmmm yes yes

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I think princess version does bump it up a bit though cause the cool interaction isn’t immediately obvious

quaint heart
#

I don't think I'd go lower than a 4 for player difficulty

stone breach
quaint heart
# vital steeple

Damn 😔 4️⃣ is winning but it's also not a line from the musical

north lance
#

That's why I voted for everything except 4 😢

quaint heart
#

I might ignore the poll and go with the one I want then

stark agate
#

I also really dislike 4 lol

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For me, it doesn’t set the tone of a wild ride

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Death drop seems more like a short snappy game rather than the wild ride on the cyclone

buoyant moth
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I just didn't get the vibes of the others, probs because I haven't seen the musical

karmic kindle
#

i think if your intention is to tailor it to the vibe of a musical that most ppl voting on the poll haven't watched you should just make the tagline whatever you want

quaint dew
#

yeah

north lance
quaint heart
north lance
quaint heart
abstract socket
#

How close to completion would this script be? Im making a collection of scripts with all available roles, and this would be very nice for the Princess checkbox 🙂

quaint heart
#

I’d say you should be good to take this most current version 👍

abstract socket
#

cheers! If youd like i can make a version in photoshop more in line with the official scripts

quaint heart
#

I won’t stop you as I know others have made designed scripts and I certainly will too 😌

stark agate
#

I have been waiting to re make ours lol

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Thinking about running it at our in person events again soon.

quaint heart
#

This version should be all good 😂

lime vapor
#

But Paradox

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This version doesn't have King!

stark agate
quaint heart
soft plinth
#

did RtC have king?

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zamn

azure jewel
#

😤

ashen mango
#

that’s what i’m SAYING

lime vapor
#

King gang rise up

ashen mango
#

friendship ended with Boffin BH now Boffin King is my only friend

quaint heart
#

@abstract socket @stark agate hold off I think 1 small change might need to be made lol

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Mostly Pixie is awkward without Damsel atm

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So swapping it off for like Washerwoman is what Im thinking

abstract socket
#

pixie -> washerwoman?

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i can manage hahaha

quaint heart
#

current idea lol yeah

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mostly cause the madness is too obvious without other cover

stark agate
#

Makes sense

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Washerwoman works well

quaint heart
#

Yeah, it's either WW or Steward and I think WW is cooler here

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@wary scroll i summon thee

wary scroll
#

washerwoman is cooler but steward is more bluffable outside of the boffin

quaint heart
#

I think that's fine

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It's either Pixie to WW or Cannibal

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And I think for early info and similarity, WW

abstract socket
#

First draft of the backside. Im struggling to find a good rollercoaster themed image that is not a direct Ride The Cyclone image (like this) or AI

quaint heart
#

yooooooo i love that; very thematic 🙂‍↕️

abstract socket
#

2nd version

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this is the most clean i can get it probs aahaha

quaint heart
#

no that's freaking awesome love the approach

abstract socket
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then ill go on this train (pun intended)

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probs finished tomorrow

quaint heart
#

... or do I do Pixie -> King ...

abstract socket
#

Have these changed with the new ||Cacklejack?||

quaint heart
#

I think the most flexible one would be Deviant

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Generally a list of decent Travellers include: apprentice butcher deviant gnome judge matron thief voudon and I do think the new one

abstract socket
#

ill try and include all hehe

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it should fit

quaint heart
abstract socket
quaint heart
#

I like 🙂‍↕️

abstract socket
#

if there are any changes; can still swap and change everything 🙂

quaint heart
#

@lime vapor @ashen mango @azure jewel why King, why not something more immediate like WW?

azure jewel
#

the King wants to live when Al-Had picked, the WW doesn't

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it's a more interesting dynamic with the rest of your Townsfolk

quaint heart
#

But most games the King learns like 1 name no?

azure jewel
#

☝️ 🤓 um, actually, the king learns characters not play—gets shot

I mean, sure, but it's typically really good info if the King lives to get it

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and it's not limited to learning Townsfolk, meaning you can confirm the Golem

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or confirm that it's a Xaan game

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et cetera et cetera

quaint heart
#

it's a worse Boffin ability though compared to like WW 🤔 hmmmmm

quaint dew
#

It's a tradeoff

quaint heart
#

no no don't be reasonable Autumn 😂

quaint dew
#

WW is better boffin
King is a better Demon bluff

abstract socket
#

The full collection 🙂 Enjoy peeps!!

ashen mango
#

also like CB less King is kinda goated

lime vapor
#

King + Al-Had is just fun, and doesn't need Choirboy, and King info is more nuanced and interesting than Washerwoman

#

The Boffin having to survive most of the game to give nice evil-King info is unfortunate, but an acceptable price to pay 😌

quaint heart
#

"King + Al-Had is just fun"

ashen mango
#

brother just do it trust the process

lime vapor
#

Wow Paradox is a King hater, clearly thinks the character is never fun

ashen mango
#

oh hi sean

quaint heart
lime vapor
#

Just you wait until Pixlate, axolator, and myself release Ride the Hurricane and it becomes more popular

ashen mango
#

i mean

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Double Whammy ( after Paradox )

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with the goated outsider suite

quaint heart
#

Here's a script and JSON folks can use for King version and I'd definitely wanna test it. I just didnt have King on previous versions because I didnt think it took the spot of anything but with Pixie's madness being out of place now (as I dont really like Damsel on RtC ngl) and roles like Philo, Cannibal, UT being meh lets add King now

ashen mango
#

wait since when did RtC have Amne 😭

quaint heart
#

since Princess added

wary scroll
ashen mango
#

it has Princess now 😭

wary scroll
#

but like speak your truths king

quaint heart
#

dawg that was what you were fighting against

#

Princess or King

ashen mango
#

dog i was fighting for just original RTC but -BH + King

quaint heart
#

ohhh true true

wary scroll
#

the ORIGINAL?

quaint heart
#

nah BH stays

wary scroll
#

all the way back to the start??

quaint heart
#

damn V1 RtC was wild 😂

wary scroll
#

go on, show us the original

#

I like seeing how scripts evolve

lime vapor
ashen mango
quaint heart
#

Like (exluding Al-Had cause duh) 7 roles here are on the original version but I'd bet like only 2/3 have ever stayed on always

ashen mango
#

the version i have in my head

wary scroll
#

POISONER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

quaint heart
#

Yeah Savant, Fisherman, Banshee, High priestess, Al-Had have never come off

wary scroll
#

it’s fine paradox there were like 5 minions ever back then

ashen mango
#

Knight
Pixie
Preacher
Alsaahir
Huntsman
Dreamer
Village Idiot
Savant
Fish
Banshee
High Priestess

Golem
Damsel
Puzzlemaster
Plague Doctor

Boomdandy
MM
Xaan
Boffin

Al Had

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i’m missing some TF but you get the vibe

quaint heart
#

Nah Dreamer wasn't ever going to stay. I wasn't the biggest fan of it- without differenet demons and saying X is Y in a Z world etc it's just a confirmation character

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which is boring

wary scroll
#

yeah it’s cooler as a world limiter

#

says paradox

ashen mango
#

fine

#

-Dreamer +King

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actually

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choirboy goes kinda hard

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no

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wrong

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false

wary scroll
#

it’s cool with xaan

quaint heart
#

Huntsman and Damsel are also meh. Like the Damsel's great madness cover but I don't think it's ever really a reasonable win con for evil; sure the Savant and Fish and stuff could help find and avoid it through Boffin but it takes 1 pick to have them die at night. And Huntsman basically has to shoot Night 2 into a player who wasn't picked if they wanna turn it

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Choirboy could come on fwiw with Xaan. It was removed off old versions because evil's kinda doomed if it happens but with all the Minions there's a reason learning a name doesnt mean executing that player

ashen mango
#

NWM?

quaint heart
#

hmmmmm Amne -> Choirboy?

quaint heart
wary scroll
quaint heart
#

That's fine 😂

ashen mango
#

tbh i think NWM is more interesting than Banshee

lime vapor
#

Wow you just have to give in to mainstream propaganda huh

ashen mango
#

since it interacts more coolly with Xaan/Boffin

wary scroll
#

Banshee is really really cool but it solos Xaan so hard

quaint heart
ashen mango
#

true

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anyways

wary scroll
#

which is fair it’s really cool

ashen mango
#

Snake Charmer

quaint heart
#

Bottom line. Like no.

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Snake Charmer was removed because a successful charm was just game over for evil

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and i think it still is

#

you kinda need a madness suite

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and i dont think RtC is a madness suite script

wary scroll
quaint heart
#

RtC is a how much do I want to tell the truth sorta script

ashen mango
#

Wraith goes hard

quaint heart
#

Pixlate...

wary scroll
#

it’s peak with Al-Had but not here

quaint heart
#

you're crashing

lime vapor
#

Yo Wraith waking when an evil is asked to live or die is kinda sick

ashen mango
#

IKR???

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like the Al Had can pick themselves last with 2 goods

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and have a better sense of what to do

wary scroll
#

??

quaint heart
ashen mango
#
  • your Wraith telling you that the previous 2 picked live at night is very funny
wary scroll
#

they always pick live, pixlate

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wdym better sense of what to do

#

live

ashen mango
#

ok fine

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or like non Al Had evils

wary scroll
#

what wraith is good for is minion nukes

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yes that works

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not Al-Had themself

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but Wraith is not RTC-coded, I’ll make a post for my script later so all the cool discussion can happen in there 😎

#

back to king choirboy

ashen mango
#

idk anyways RtC is always to me a script about greeding for One Day More (TM)

#

so like Balloonist and King is peak RtC

wary scroll
#

on this script

ashen mango
#

right but i’m not sure about ODMTM being assured by the princess or having to be fought for

wary scroll
#

the princess has to fight for that lol

#

ask foxx

quaint heart
#

Boffin Choirboy sucks right? But Does Boffin King mean a Choirboy can be in play?
the answer should be No right but Jams says yes?

wary scroll
#

idk just say it’s no

ashen mango
#

the answer is No

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it’s good and therefore correct

lime vapor
#

I think it was said that yes

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Boffin King can add Choirboy

ashen mango
#

Jams said that she made that ruling in a hazy delusion

quaint heart
#

I think Jams said it was a yes but was like tired and went and said "oh wait no that doesnt make sense"

wary scroll
#

there’s lot of nuance in that conversation

lime vapor
#

Okey

ashen mango
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(she said she was tired when she wrote it and said it was “funny at the time” but use group discretion)

lime vapor
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I wouldn't do that anyway because sob

wary scroll
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sometimes the botc answer is do what makes sense

lime vapor
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*most times

ashen mango
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(this was about Huntsman +Bod Damsel)

quaint heart
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@stark agate @abstract socket apologies these guys are roping me in to making more changes 💀

wary scroll
lime vapor
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King! King! King!

ashen mango
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don’t lemme pull in more BH dissenters and King Lovers

wary scroll
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I can see the argument for king choirboy

quaint heart
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I kinda like King though... it has that niche of confirmation that Pixie/Dreamer/WW do but explores the theme of living longer RtC has

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BH aint leaving Pixlate 😂

wary scroll
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it’s cooler dreamer

quaint heart
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It is Cooler Dreamer

wary scroll
ashen mango
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dog BH is low utility 😭

wary scroll
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that’s me, the bh ounty unter

quaint heart
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Just show the Al-Had

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simple

wary scroll
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true…

ashen mango
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you’d need to change the BH meta for this script in particular

lime vapor
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Just BH turn the BH and show them themselves

ashen mango
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cuz the BH most times sees max 1 real evil lol

quaint heart
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pixie -> king, amne -> choirboy could be changes

wary scroll
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just get rid of pixie at any cost

ashen mango
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tbh i don’t love CB

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i like Solo King

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for Aura reasons

wary scroll
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dawg we gotta compromise somehow

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Choirboy is that compromise

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Solo King is crazy and bonkers and insane and shameful

ashen mango
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nah you can keep Amne i fw it

ashen mango
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sure you want the Kingfo

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but the King is evil

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and oops people keep dying to let the King get info

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so you pick live

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and oops you’ve killed the King

quaint heart
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idm solo King

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solo King makes King feel different here. Kinda like Mastermind

wary scroll
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fair enough

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I would be interested to see how Solo King plays

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But they better not be learning Al-Had on night 4 is all I’m saying

lime vapor
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If the ST wants to laugh in the face of the King then shame on them

abstract socket
quaint heart
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so not many changes actually

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But I think King is really interesting here

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weird, but interesting

abstract socket
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Just king? No choir?

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I mean sure, update coming later this evening gagahaha

quaint heart
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Yeah no Choirboy

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Choirboy shifts King into just a full King script which whilst cool I think isn't a direction I want

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whereas, due to the nature of Al-Had, a solo King on it's own becomes a different flavour (similar to MM and even Princess to a degree)

abstract socket
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Hmmmmmmm

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Wierd but intresting indeed haha

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Then it would be the task of town to safe the king, not just choirbot

wary scroll
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very chess-like

quaint heart
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kinda yeah!

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I didnt think about that part of it too

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woah i like that

wary scroll
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quick, add the bishop! /j

quaint heart
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ehhh I've yet to see a Princess use their ability so it wouldnt change anything

wary scroll
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truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeee 🔥

compact swallow
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rewatched the musical

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who’s ||autotune||?

soft plinth
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solo king is fine here with Alhad

stark agate
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Our current script lol

soft plinth
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damn that takes me back

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i remember being the mez or RtC and not coordinating with my demon who would say the mez word and so we were both outted evil d1 by saying “Vortox” to people

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can someone link the oldest version of RtC

abstract socket
north lance
wide haven
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KING MY BELOVED

soft plinth
quaint heart
soft plinth
quaint heart
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I was new to script building 😂

soft plinth
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(also a billion other things but mostly that)

quaint heart
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V1 wasn't bad

soft plinth
quaint heart
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if V1 wasn't good we wouldnt be at V5

jade dew
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🎉 King!

ashen mango
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King Mentioned 🗣️ 🔥 RAGHH

abstract socket
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King version 😄

quaint heart
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King so high jumpscare but I get why 😂

abstract socket
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im not lazy, im highly efficient

wary scroll
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king next to their knight make sense tbh

quaint heart
wary scroll
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they rule over their kingdom y'know so the king is high up from their castle

wary scroll
abstract socket
void kraken
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also weird that “otherswise” is in the jinx for the mastermind

karmic kindle
abstract socket
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Ill update in a few, will also put voudon a bit closer to.home. now i saw that im triggered

abstract socket
void kraken
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feedback it’s a little dark

quaint heart
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Ran RtC with the Boffin-Amne ability: 1 Outsider [the Snitch] thinks they are a Townsfolk [Banshee].
Gave a few hints as to that and game ended with a MM loss. King got close to getting info but town managed to avoid a triple kill. Got a Princess night though which is good!

wary scroll
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there's so much depth to princess on this script it's so cool

quaint dew
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How does Princess feel?

quaint heart
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The no deaths plus confirmation feels RtC

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like it's just useful

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King I wanna test more

wide haven
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Princess will for ever be king in my eyes

quaint heart
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good

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like savant saying there's 2outsiders

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fish advice was "Caffeine knows much less than they think they do"

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Demon just amne guessed but didnt get it

abstract socket
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Even better when laminated 😏

quaint heart
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quaint heart
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hmmm, I've playtested King a few times now and it's yet to do anything realistically

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dont know if that's just an unlucky thing / players not working with it / or just King isnt quite right

wary scroll
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at max it's kinda gonna get 1 night of info

lime vapor
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I can respect the possibility of it being incompatible with Mastermind gameplay

wary scroll
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which like if it's really really good info

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I did enjoy having the knowledge of a player that would always live though for that MM night

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It’s interesting cause MM jinx wants you to have a real good knowledge of the grimoire

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but later in the game, more players are willing to die

quaint heart
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I think it’s just doesn’t quite work and without like a choirboy to scare the alhad to keeping them around too

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And I don’t wanna add choirboy because I don’t want to make this a King script

buoyant moth
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i don't really see the vision for King tbh

wary scroll
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it’s like all of town has to work together to keep the king alive

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but idk if it works out in practice

buoyant moth
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players aren't selfless enough

quaint heart
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I like it for what bhamver said and how it fills a Dreamer niche but yeah it’s not something I think quite works in practise

abstract socket
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I mean, King was a wildcard pick for this script. If it does not work, soit

ashen mango
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tbh the first time we had a king game we won too quickly

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also if it wasnt MM and foxx died that night, the King learns King

wary scroll
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you were gonna get such puzzledrunk info pixlate

quaint heart
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I think King wants a more reliable end game than RtC

wary scroll
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it was gonna be so fire

ashen mango
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true