✦ Homebrews By Luis ✦ (Nerdy Meet-cute)

[jagged frost]

Json:

{
  "id": "rodent_hblreleased",
  "team": "outsider",
  "name": "Rodent",
  "ability": "If 1 of your Townsfolk neighbours die, the other is drunk from now on, even if you are dead.",
  "image": [
    "https://i.imgur.com/49kg9Bo.png",
    "https://i.imgur.com/a9xjssw.png"
  ],
  "flavor": "Squeak!",
  "reminders": ["Drunk", "Drunk"],
  "firstNightReminder": "",
  "otherNightReminder": "If a Townsfolk neighbour died, the other becomes drunk immediately. If you haven't done this yet, do so now. :reminder:",
  "firstNight": 0,
  "otherNight": 55.1,
  "jinxes": [
    {
      "id": "matsuraid_hblreleased",
      "reason": "If the Matsuraid is in play, & a good Townsfolk neighbour of the Rodent is nominated, the other is drunk from now on."
    }
  ]
}

Jinxes:

HBL Characters:

• Rodent and Matsuraid: If the Matsuraid is in play, & a good Townsfolk neighbour of the Rodent is nominated, the other is drunk from now on.

[surreal hill]

ok that was SO far off of chef

[jagged frost]

"Minimal"

[surreal hill]

negative

anyways the actual character is pretty cool

[stray otter]

that is what we in the business call

a retcon

and im here for it

[surreal hill]

the prophecies from the notion site are coming true, these icons exist outside of the void of "yea this is an outsider"!!

[stray otter]

i love this icon

[jagged frost]

but yeah i do quite like Rodent

[stray otter]

i think he so cute

[surreal hill]

it's a good one

[jagged frost]

and dark did a great job w the icon

just look at the little guy

[surreal hill]

little guy !

[stray otter]

still wanna make taboo work so i can have faeling rodent

so cute together

[jagged frost]

next character shortly

[mild grotto]

Luis try to make a character without a Matsuraid jinx (impossible)

I like this one though

It’s fun

[jagged frost]

it's a cool bluff too

it gives a good reason for you to be protective of your neighbours

[dull cove]

The only time I've used Rodent it drunked the Changeling on taboo & borked it

[plush imp]

This is just the matsuraid experience

[stray otter]

this is a taboo issue

[red badge]

Rodent is such an amazig little character I love it sm

[stray otter]

this is why i had to cut changeling even if it was the gimmick </3

[red badge]

iirc this is one I've been advocating to be released for a while

[mild grotto]

I say this like I’m not actively putting off the Metyore jinx list (half the characters are hate jinxed)

[dull cove]

I can;t wait to start work on D[A smudge]&T[ERROR 404: Text not found]

[stray otter]

shhh don't think about it

i figured out chimneysweep ill figure this out

[mild grotto]

Lmao okay

Oh yeah do the icon

[stray otter]

fully aware

[dull cove]

Dark ought to know what I mean

[stray otter]

i started drawing one for luis and I just kinda have felt like gaming the past 3 days

[jagged frost]

okay time for the next character

[dull cove]

:o

[stray otter]

d&t dinner & t(a)(show)

[stray otter]

i say gamin, playing the new waterbear mountain sequel

[jagged frost]

how hungry are you guys

"If you don't mind the wailing of the unwashed masses, the gnashing of the teeth, and the wheels grinding through the foulest-smelling muck you've ever encountered, there's no better place than the hippodrome."
Introducing to you, the...

Chariot

[Minion]

“Each night, choose 2 alive players (not yourself): if one is executed tomorrow, the other is instead.”

The Chariot swaps who is executed.

• Each night, the Chariot chooses two players at once. On the next day, if a chosen player is executed, the other chosen player is executed instead. This can only happen due to an execution, not death by other means such as a Demon or Golem.
• The choice lasts only until the Chariot chooses again, but the Chariot may choose the same players as many times as they want (so long as they’re alive).
• The Chariot must choose alive players and may not choose themself.
• If the Chariot chooses a dead player accidentally, the Storyteller prompts them to choose again.
• If the Chariot cannot viably choose 2 alive players, they do not wake.

How to Run:
Each night, wake the Chariot. They point at any two alive players except themself. Mark the chosen players with RACING reminders. Put the Chariot to sleep.

The next day, if a player marked RACING would be executed, the other player marked RACING is executed instead. (Do not say why.)

Do not wake the Chariot if there are not two players alive to be chosen (due to the Mastermind, Zombuul, etc.).

Json:

{
  "id": "chariot_hblreleased",
  "team": "minion",
  "name": "Chariot",
  "ability": "Each night, choose 2 alive players (not yourself): if one is executed tomorrow, the other is instead.",
  "image": [
    "https://i.imgur.com/LWuvFnw.png",
    "https://i.imgur.com/I2naWSf.png"
  ],
  "flavor": "If you don't mind the wailing of the unwashed masses, the gnashing of the teeth, and the wheels grinding through the foulest-smelling muck you've ever encountered, there's no better place than the hippodrome.",
  "reminders": ["Racing", "Racing"],
  "firstNightReminder": "The Chariot chooses 2 living players. :reminder: :reminder:",
  "otherNightReminder": "The Chariot chooses 2 living players. :reminder: :reminder:",
  "firstNight": 33.1,
  "otherNight": 21.1,
  "jinxes": [
    {
      "id": "goblin",
      "reason": "If the Goblin was nominated & claimed to be the Goblin today, the Chariot is poisoned until dusk."
    },
    {
      "id": "fearmonger",
      "reason": "If the Fearmonger & Chariot chose the same player, they both learn this, and the Chariot is poisoned until dusk if the Fearmonger nominates them."
    },
    {
      "id": "leviathan",
      "reason": "If the Chariot swaps the executee, the executee registers as evil to the Leviathan ability."
    },
    {
      "id": "matsuraid_hblreleased",
      "reason": "If the Matsuraid is in play, players learn if they are chosen by the Chariot."
    }
  ]
}

Jinxes:

Official Characters

• Chariot and Goblin: If the Goblin was nominated & claimed to be the Goblin today, the Chariot is poisoned until dusk.
• Chariot and Fearmonger: If the Fearmonger & Chariot chose the same player, they both learn this, and the Chariot is poisoned until dusk if the Fearmonger nominates them.
• Chariot and Leviathan: If the Chariot swaps the executee, the executee registers as evil to the Leviathan ability.

HBL Characters

• Chariot and Matsuraid: If the Matsuraid is in play, players learn if they are chosen by the Chariot.

[stray otter]

grandgousier

[plush imp]

Wait it does have a matsu jinx

I thought it didn't

[mild grotto]

Luis try to make a character without a Matsuraid jinx (impossible)

[plush imp]

Matsu strikes again

[jagged frost]

amelia do you genuinely think that Chariot-Matsu w no jinx is a good interaction

💀

[plush imp]

No

Lmao

I shall use it on midnight ball jinxless

[jagged frost]

but yeah chariot is a fun one

creates a lot of "oooohh holy shit" moments

[red badge]

Thank you Luis for making DA better

wait, Chariot is not yourself?

[jagged frost]

mhm

[red badge]

this whole time I thought Chariot could selfchoose

[stray otter]

you did???

[red badge]

Probably works better that way tbf

as in like

[stray otter]

its not meant to have self preservation 😭

[red badge]

it's better that it can't self choose

[jagged frost]

next character in a sec

[opaque cloud]

it's been 500 secs

[jagged frost]

indeed

bc i've been discussing stuff lmao

but it's okay

just balancing the scales

"Heavy is the heart that brings balance.”
Introducing to you, the...

Anubis

[Minion]

“If an Outsider dies, a 2nd might become a not-in-play Townsfolk tonight (you know them) & vice versa. [-1 to +1 Outsider]”

The Anubis makes things perfectly balanced.

• If an Outsider dies, another Outsider might become a not-in-play Townsfolk character. If a Townsfolk dies, another Townsfolk might become a not-in-play Outsider character.
• If the Anubis should change a character, they do so as soon as possible during the night.
• If the Anubis causes a player to change characters, they wake to learn who they changed & that player’s new character.
• If the Anubis is in play, it might add or remove one Outsider from play, or do neither.

How to Run:
While setting up the game, before putting character tokens in the bag, add an Outsider token and remove a Townsfolk token, remove an Outsider token and add a Townsfolk token, or do neither.

If an Outsider or Townsfolk dies, you may mark them with the SCALES TONIGHT reminder or not.

At night, as soon as possible, if an Outsider is marked SCALES TONIGHT, replace an Outsider player’s character token with a not in play Townsfolk token. Wake that player, show them the YOU ARE info token, then their new character token, then put them to sleep. Then wake the Anubis. Show them the THIS PLAYER IS info token, point at the player, and show their new character token. Put the Anubis to sleep.

At night, as soon as possible, if a Townsfolk is marked SCALES TONIGHT, replace a Townsfolk player’s character token with a not in play Outsider token. Wake that player, show them the YOU ARE info token, then their new character token, then put them to sleep. Then wake the Anubis. Show them the THIS PLAYER IS info token, point at the player, and show their new character token. Put the Anubis to sleep.

Repeat these steps for every player marked SCALES TONIGHT.

Json:

{
  "id": "anubis_hblreleased",
  "team": "minion",
  "name": "Anubis",
  "ability": "If an Outsider dies, a 2nd might become a not-in-play Townsfolk tonight (you know them) & vice versa. [-1 to +1 Outsider]",
  "image": [
    "https://i.imgur.com/bKqgOel.png",
    "https://i.imgur.com/mRplSOo.png"
  ],
  "flavor": "Heavy is the heart that brings balance.",
  "reminders": ["Scales Tonight", "Scales Tonight", "Scales Tonight"],
  "firstNightReminder": "",
  "otherNightReminder": "If an Outsider died today or tonight, a 2nd might become a Townsfolk, & vice versa. If so, wake the turned player. Show the *YOU ARE* token & their new character token. Put them to sleep. Then wake the Anubis. Show the *THIS PLAYER IS* token, point to the turned player, & show their new character token.",
  "firstNight": 0,
  "otherNight": 52.99,
  "jinxes": [
    {
      "id": "damsel",
      "reason": "If the Anubis creates a Damsel, they don't learn who it is."
    },
    {
      "id": "heretic",
      "reason": "The Anubis cannot create a Heretic."
    },
    {
      "id": "villageidiot",
      "reason": "If there is a spare token, the Anubis can create an extra Village Idiot. If so, the drunk Village Idiot might change."
    }
  ],
  "setup": true
}

Jinxes:

Official Characters

• Anubis and Damsel: If the Anubis creates a Damsel, they don't learn who it is.
• Anubis and Heretic: The Anubis cannot create a Heretic.
• Anubis and Village Idiot: If there is a spare token, the Anubis can create an extra Village Idiot. If so, the drunk Village Idiot might change.

[dull cove]

I thought this had different flavourtext

[opaque cloud]

yeah this was worth a 500 sec wait

[dull cove]

Or am I upid

[plush imp]

makes things perfectly balanced
cannot create a Heretic

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[jagged frost]

No Dev-balance

😔

[jagged frost]

oh you'd be right

uuuuhhhhhh

what huh

acc nah i think you're thinking of Ka

the other egyptian character

😭

[jagged frost]

yeah it's a doozy

and it's my take on loud O-mod

if this is on script then the evil team needs to hustle to bluff it being in play

[mild grotto]

No Matsu jinx?????

[dull cove]

YES

[mild grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

[dull cove]

Sorry yeah it was ka

[plush imp]

it needs a matsu jinx

it wont trigger in matsu

bam

[dull cove]

Gambler

[jagged frost]

all you guys had to do was believe

just believe

just...

"Fake it until you feel it. Feel it until it's real. Reel them in until they listen. They will listen to our will."
Introducing to you, the...

Genie

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1221510239820447894/1382518421056655360/Genie_Almanac_Token.png?ex=684b721d&is=684a209d&hm=fa76455c3a137b3c71bb6e1f45dbb2bf2ad742708dcdd673f62b95aa243d4c3d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1078&height=1078

[Minion]

“Things that evil players are mad about might become true.”

The Genie grants the wishes of evil players.

• At any time, if an evil player (including the Genie) is mad about something false, the Storyteller may make it become true.
• This can cause players to change character, become drunk, poisoned, sober, or healthy – literally anything.
• The evil player can be an evil Minion, Demon, Outsider, Townsfolk, or even a Traveller.

How to Run:
At any time, if an evil player is mad about something false, you may make it become true. Change characters, reminders, shrouds, etc. as needed. Use the Genie’s ? reminders to serve as other reminders you may need.

Json:

{
  "id": "genie_hblreleased",
  "team": "minion",
  "name": "Genie",
  "ability": "Things that evil players are mad about might become true.",
  "image": [
    "https://i.imgur.com/ca7JMNH.png",
    "https://i.imgur.com/poAC2Nd.png"
  ],
  "flavor": "Fake it until you feel it. Feel it until it's real. Reel them in until they listen. They will listen to our will.",
  "reminders": ["?", "?", "?"],
  "firstNightReminder": "",
  "otherNightReminder": "",
  "firstNight": 0,
  "otherNight": 0
}

[dull cove]

Wishful thinking == good

@jagged frost LUIS

TOKEN DON'T MATCH

WRONG ABILITY

[jagged frost]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mild grotto]

NOOOOOOO

[sharp topaz]

this reminds me of that black mirror episode that came out recently

Bete Noire

[opaque cloud]

so just stronger Omen

[quick fern]

hey wait havent i seen this art before

i feel like ive seen this token art before

[jagged frost]

(bc dark has shown it in black and white)

[quick fern]

alchemist-genie proccing things evil doesn’t want goes hard 🔥

[jagged frost]

eeeeeeeeeexactly

[sharp topaz]

alchemist genie: "Its an atheist game"

[jagged frost]

"Guys i'm the butler"

St: you know what, that's so true

[sharp topaz]

this actually might be my favorite character ive seen

[quaint sequoia]

me when i was the no dashii but am now the butler

[quick fern]

genie: [-1 Demon]

[jagged frost]

"lmao imagine if there just wasn't a Demon in the bag"
St:

[quick fern]

st: “hi you’re now the atheist”

[sharp topaz]

this would also be interesting as a Demon similar to how yaggababble is, like ??? (Demon): Each night*, choose a player: they die. Things you are mad about might become true.

[quick fern]

imagine being evil claiming atheist and then all of a sudden you get turned into an evil atheist and now have to sell atheist really badly so town doesn’t exe the st

[sharp topaz]

i like it as a Minion too tho

[jagged frost]

this as a Demon secondary is way way too busted

[sharp topaz]

fair enough

[jagged frost]

but like fair enough for considering it

[sharp topaz]

I really like this tho, I wanna play a game with it sometime lol

looks more fun than Wizard dare I say

is this the character from your poll

where you put Wizard icon

lmaoo

[jagged frost]

THE PROPHESY IS TRUE

WIZARDS ARE OVERRATED

[gritty ermine]

Fun Fact: The old flavor was "Wizardry is far too obvious"

yes i know Ice also had another one that was sarcastic wish granter kind of deal

[plush imp]

you are now the Summoner bye

[jagged frost]

well they do say that you should wish in twos

and you'll need more than wishes to fight this

[surreal hill]

THE NOTION PROPHECY

[sharp topaz]

btw https://homebrews-by-luis.notion.site/For-Toolmakers-dee53921720143189410faf3effb4671 I see that this page tells people how to make homebrew jsons, but how do you guys manage to add them to the actual script pdf images?

[mild grotto]

Photoshop

[sharp topaz]

damn

[jagged frost]

“.smra ym struh ti taht ,deedni ,yvaeh os shgiew tI .dnal ot tey ti etipsed yvaeh su no gnihgiew ,htgnerts ruo yb denekaew ,esir ot su rof gnitiaw ti ees dna pu kool lla eW .drows eht htaeneb tis lla eW”
Introducing to you, the...

Crown

[Demon]

“Each night*, you may choose 2 pairs of players: all choose which dies. If a Minion is dead & you die this way, evil wins.”

The Crown presents 2 pairs of victims and asks the town – “Who must live, & who must die?”

• The Crown may choose 2 sets of 2 players in order, choosing the 1st player of pair 1 first, then the 2nd player of pair 1, then the 1st player of pair 2, and then the 2nd player of pair 2. These must all be different players. The Crown may decide to choose no-one.
• All players wake to learn the pairs in the exact order that the Crown chooses, and then vote for which pair dies by raising their hands. All players (dead & alive) may vote. On a tie, the Crown then wakes to choose which pair dies.
• The players that the Crown kills are not executed. This is a general vote due the Crown’s ability, not due to a nomination during the day.
• The Storyteller may allow time for discussion or not. It is up to them.
• If a Minion is dead & the Crown then dies due to their own ability, evil wins. Nothing happens if the Crown attacks themself and lives.
• If the Crown dies due to their own ability, and there are no dead Minions, nothing happens.
• Unlike the Chef, the players in each pair don’t have to neighbour each other.

[surreal hill]

fire character can confirm

[jagged frost]

How to Run:
Each night except the first, wake the Crown. They shake their head or point to 4 players. If they shook their head, put them to sleep – nothing happens. If they pointed at 4 players, mark them with the 1: PAIR I, 2: PAIR I, 3: PAIR II, and 4: PAIR II reminders accordingly. (If you wish, point to the players in the same order, just to double check with the Crown.) Put the Crown to sleep. Wake the players up by saying, “The Crown requires your presence,” or something of that manner, then announce the pairs of players, in the exact order that the Crown chose them in. Then run a “vote” for either pair. (This is not an execution vote.) All players may vote. Announce which pair had the most votes (if any) and put all players back to sleep.

If a pair had the most votes, they die - add shrouds to both players in the pair. On a tie, wake the Crown. They point to one of the pairs they chose – both players in the chosen pair die. Put the Crown back to sleep.

If a Minion dies, mark the Crown with the MINION DEAD reminder. (Do this even if they are drunk or poisoned.)

If the Crown kills themself at night, and they were marked MINION DEAD, declare that the evil team wins.

Json:

{
  "id": "crown_hblreleased",
  "team": "demon",
  "name": "Crown",
  "ability": "Each night*, you may choose 2 pairs of players: all choose which dies. If a Minion is dead & you die this way, evil wins.",
  "image": [
    "https://i.imgur.com/I9Dvv0I.png",
    "https://i.imgur.com/xY8qLgW.png"
  ],
  "flavor": ".smra ym struh ti taht ,deedni ,yvaeh os shgiew tI .dnal ot tey ti etipsed yvaeh su no gnihgiew ,htgnerts ruo yb denekaew ,esir ot su rof gnitiaw ti ees dna pu kool lla eW .drows eht htaeneb tis lla eW",
  "reminders": [
    "1: Pair I",
    "2: Pair I",
    "3: Pair II",
    "4: Pair II",
    "Minion Dead"
  ],
  "firstNightReminder": "",
  "otherNightReminder": "The Crown might choose 4 players. :reminder: :reminder: :reminder: :reminder:. Wake all players and announce the pairs that the Crown has chosen in order. Allow all players to vote. Put all players to sleep. The most voted pair dies. Add shrouds accordingly. On a tie, wake the Crown. They point to a pair. Add shrouds accordingly. If there is a *MINION DEAD* & the Crown dies this way, evil wins.",
  "firstNight": 0,
  "otherNight": 50.04,
  "jinxes": [
    {
      "id": "mastermind",
      "reason": "If the Crown is executed, and there's an alive Mastermind, the Crown chooses 2 pairs of players tonight. If the pair containing the Mastermind dies, evil wins. Otherwise, good wins."
    }
  ],
  "special": [
    {
      "name": "pointing",
      "type": "ability"
    }
  ]
}

Jinxes:

Official Characters

• Crown and Mastermind: If the Crown is executed, and there's an alive Mastermind, the Crown chooses 2 pairs of players tonight. If the pair containing the Mastermind dies, evil wins. Otherwise, good wins.

[sharp topaz]

thought thered be a simpler way rip

[jagged frost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tennis-cat-meme-brick-cat-cat-brick-gif-1174694866650002420

[surreal hill]

i was the demon bluffing recluse and i was on the block and i was like "hey watch this trick, if executed today i will not die" and then it worked

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[dull cove]

Based on a true story

[surreal hill]

this is really cool but i think i still need to wrap my head around it

[jagged frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360227962460569641/1360618347192127780/AbsoluteEvilTeam.gif

[surreal hill]

oh yeah happy new year's btw

[jagged frost]

i've got some scripts to show off part 3 too

[surreal hill]

wait was this what was originally coded as chef

pairs

[sharp topaz]

this is so close to not working 😭 it seems like it shouldnt but it does

[gritty ermine]

Also Rodent was No Dashii because it poisons Townsfolk neighbors

[surreal hill]

oh nice lol

nah nah crown is chef bc it's a hat actually

[gritty ermine]

But Luis rigged it so Crown wouldn’t release first

[surreal hill]

when i see chef i think YSK tf

[dull cove]

This doesn't show the whole story btw

[surreal hill]

which is not what this was

[dull cove]

The other person in the pair?

Their Minion

This was night 2

The first 2 players die at night were the banshee and the minion

It was wonderful

[jagged frost]

how come

mist what the fuck

😭

/lh

[gritty ermine]

do you actually want those to not be there?

[jagged frost]

i mean idrk

bc it's funny lol

[gritty ermine]

We Remeber the Crown Incident

[sharp topaz]

just first glance it seems like there would be some kind of way to cheese it but I don't think there is, good job 🙏

[dull cove]

We do NOT remember the abumb incedent

My mad there

[jagged frost]

thanks ig lol

[gritty ermine]

It has gone through many versions to be as it is now

But yeah, it needed to be able to kill itself

[surreal hill]

it doesnt look cheesable to me

[gritty ermine]

The oldest versions didnt have the win clause. Then, they instead had "the 2nd time you wake" iirc

[jagged frost]

the closest thing that you have to cheese is putting the Demon with a Minion first but that's such an easy world to consider

[surreal hill]

i mean yeah without that it's got the alhad problem where it either never chooses itself or drops dead sometimes

with this if it drops dead it wins

[jagged frost]

mhm

[gritty ermine]

Its also a worse al-had problem since it has more players to ruleout and even less control of its life

[surreal hill]

mhm

[gritty ermine]

So this is the logical solution

[fathom venture]

yippee i like this one alot

[surreal hill]

alhad can just collude with a minion and it's fine

[dull cove]

Question luise

If Crown chooses minion, self as a pair

Loss or win?

[gritty ermine]

Costly, but yes.

Since they might have to lose a Minion

[surreal hill]

that flavor text was so hard to read but i got through it

wait ok this is a cool dynamic

[jagged frost]

minion dies first so it's a win

but like

really?

[gritty ermine]

Its the Trolley Problem as a Demon tbh

[jagged frost]

two evil players in one pair?

[gritty ermine]

well not really

[sharp topaz]

I love how if any evil player says they're the goblin, they're the goblin 💀

[dull cove]

It can be a night 2 win tbh

[gritty ermine]

But sorta. If you played Trial by Trolley, it counts

[surreal hill]

it could be a n2 win

[jagged frost]

it can be but it's very unlikely

[dull cove]

I mean you have no risk

[gritty ermine]

Its cool how it turns Crown's greatest weakness into its greatest strenght. It takes all the pressure off evil & puts it all onto the good team

[dull cove]

Either you win or you just play it off as if you were any 2 random players voted

[opaque cloud]

one pair is a minion and you, the other is the strongest 2 townsfolk

[dull cove]

Voted? chosen

[opaque cloud]

either way a benefit

[jagged frost]

i mean sure

but that's literally where the Crown is a gigabrain that knows everyone and everything

[surreal hill]

the 1st player in each pair n2 is meta confirmed not the demon, probably even good
so town will surely never choose the one that lives, right?
well, if town can be relied on to do that, the demon can put themself in the other pair
now town either kills the meta confirmed player or outright loses

[opaque cloud]

so dont put it with Spy or Widow

[gritty ermine]

also if you meta that & survive, town just exes into the alive pair

[jagged frost]

"now town either kills the meta confirmed player or outright loses"
that's kinda why the clause is there

so you can't use Crown as another execution & eliminate Demon candidates

[surreal hill]

yeah it's great

[jagged frost]

-# the biggest sigh of relief i just had reading this 💀😭

[gritty ermine]

Also, you can still push your luck by choosing yourself while a Minion isn’t dead

It’s insanely risky but you can do it

Oh and Crown wants to put evils in picks even more than Al-Had, since your safety net and terror activate

[mild grotto]

is it bad that this phrasing is wrong but I’m only realizing it now

Following matron precedent it should be “2 sets of 2 players”

[surreal hill]

[You Hate Fun]

[surreal hill]

-# wait why would that be a bad thing

[mild grotto]

Oh boy this is gonna be a problem for my homebrew demon that chooses pairs in the chef sense

[jagged frost]

-# bc of previous fights conversations about crown

[jagged frost]

you know what, it's only 1 character more, i'll reword it

[surreal hill]

ok wait going back to this bc at least for me i brushed over it

[jagged frost]

bc the reminders stay the same bc it's just flavour

[surreal hill]

pithag adjacent type of thing?

[jagged frost]

in a sense yeah

[mild grotto]

I hate fun but love being pedantic

[surreal hill]

look im sure it didnt work in the past because thats how these things go but it looks like it works now

if i was changing it i miiiiiiiiiight rework it to get rid of the n2 win but it's not such a big deal

i like how if it ends the game it's oh-so-technically not at night

[surreal hill]

do you have a script to go with it or not rn

i wanna see how itd play out

[jagged frost]

mhm

two in fact

[dull cove]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[surreal hill]

oh epic

[sharp topaz]

oh yeah if this guesses any good player as the damsel they would become the damsel and evil wins (probably not but its funny)

[jagged frost]

that would happen after the guess but yes

Here are some scripts to test these characters out!

Dance of the Planets

Behold the Grave

okay that concludes the NYP release

finally

after 6 months

i'll polish up some final things like jsons and script pages

and then they'll be live

[mild grotto]

Yippeee

[jagged frost]

✦ Homebrews By Luis ✦ (Encore!)

Anyways

for the bonus characters

here are 3 of the 15

[sharp topaz]

15 god damn

[gritty ermine]

Why have a NYP when you can have 2 occur 6 months after the new year?

[jagged frost]

@north rain here's your fabled lmao

[mild grotto]

Yk i've seen rook a couple times and i only just got now that it's fucking castling

[jagged frost]

anyway

good night

lmao

have fun with the nyp

[red badge]

MY BABY

[spring niche]

Genie is so hype. It can do anything other minions do and more, (poisoning, execution protection, character swapping etc) but it has the downside of sometimes granting you wishes that you wanted to just stay lies

[surreal hill]

THAT'S SO GOOD

[gritty ermine]

Genie is also interesting because it dodges the Wizard trap

You don’t have to count on just mimicking another Minion. You can keep wishing as many times as you want and so the ST can effectively grant you two or three less crazy wishes (assuming you fulfill madness)

[red badge]

tmk the progress was smth like:
Each night*, choose 2 pairs of players: all choose which dies.
Then I believe it was within the day that it became something to the effect of;
Each night*, choose 2 pairs of players: all choose which dies. If you die this way, evil wins.
Then near the end of development for the NYP Luis concluded that this was too powerful (a decision I heavily disagreed with at the time) so it became something kind of like;
Each night*, choose 2 pairs of players: all choose which dies. From the 2nd time you choose onwards, evil wins if you die this way.
Iirc, this was the version intended for the original NYP, however after some playtesting Luis came up with this version and I like it a ton. I especially love how it solves the awkwardness of the almost released version where you have a full night with no risk of Crown Win, so you could've essentially used it as extra executions. Despite how it made Crown a lot stronger imo, I believe the intent of this change was a nerf from the previous version.

[stray otter]

btg!

ice did a ton of writing things for it and i made flavour and u didn't post it smh

[polar bluff]

When would you add Rook to a game?

[mild grotto]

Uh low mobility single kill demon scripts

[keen finch]

Peak update

[north rain]

hoping Rune Eater’s flavour text is my suggestion for it 🤞

[red badge]

"I've got time to kick ass and eat runes, and I'm all out of ass."

-# this isn't the actual flavor text btw

[quaint sequoia]

"you are what you eat! im your dad now. thunderous applause"

thats the actual flavour text trust

[gritty ermine]

it's "More... MORE.... MORE"

[gritty ermine]

Apparently in the oldest versions, the Crown didnt even choose 2 pairs. They chose 1 player, who then chose a 2nd. And if that pair was rejected, the ST chose the second pair who died

[unkempt oriole]

🎉

[jagged frost]

that's the original

but that's also quite weak lmao

[finite fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[red badge]

Strangely enough this idea went far enough to essentially gain Crown's losscon, but when the Demon was reworked to look more like what we have it was briefly lost

[jagged frost]

Okay chat

here's another 3 characters from the DLC

“I’m telling you, I can exorcise this Demon! I just need one… more… try…”
Introducing to you, the...

Conjuror

Introducing to you, the...

Centurion

And finally,
Introducing to you, the...

Prophet

also i can now show a script that's p cool

[steel hinge]

&

[mild grotto]

ooooh

fun

[stray otter]

rune eater and ogre

is my favourite character

also theres no fucking way you actually released centurion that is crazy

[opaque cloud]

Prophet is so cool

[dense grove]

REAL

[dense grove]

wait... the conjurer is an outsider?

[stray otter]

yeah??

it gives evil an extra demon ability 😭

if you dont guess the in play demon

they just gain the ability on top of their own

[dense grove]

ohh

[dense grove]

tbh I thought it changed the demons character

[stray otter]

ah

no it doesnt

@jagged frost please be funny and create something jinxed with hermit to ruin its jinxlessness

[finite fractal]

matsuraid will find a way

[olive flume]

funnily, i think this icon art got leaked somehow by a redditor who stole it

who also stole bookie and renamed it "rookie"

[dull cove]

I recall, but I think Luis has just shared the art before

[jagged frost]

Yeah ik ik

It’s bc I showed it previously and they just used the magic wand on the notion page

[spiral turret]

got so used to matsu jinxes that i misread mastermind as matsuraid

[jagged frost]

I am happy to announce that there is a jinx between Hermit and Matsuraid:

Hermit and Matsuraid: Don’t.

[clever robin]

coward

[sharp topaz]

Mfw conjuror is killed, and rune eater gets their ability, then the Demon kills rune eater

Wouldn't that make the Demon have 3 demon abilities or am I misunderstanding how conjuror works

[errant nymph]

If the two Conjurers each pick a different Demon than the original and each other, then yes

[flint crest]

all of the characters shown, conjuror doesnt seem healthy at all

either the good team is winning, knows what demon is in-play, and the conjuror doesnt hurt their team on death

or the good team is losing, doesnt know what demon is in-play, and the conjuror further hurts their team with an extra kill per night plus secondary ability

my rankings of the latest batch (excluding travellers and fabled):

• Excellent: Anubis, Chariot
• Great: Rodent, Genie, Rune Eater
• Good: Crown
• Ok: Trophy Hunter, Centurion
• Meh: Conjuror

[surreal hill]

This is more of a scripting thing than a character thing

[sharp topaz]

wheres prophet

oh

excluding travellers

rip

[spring niche]

Honestly, I feel like there is a fundamental flaw in this line of thinking. Good team “winning” is not necessarily linked to fully understanding what demon is in play. Additionally a failed conjurer guess is not as bad as you make it out to be. You learn that the popular consensus was wrong, you can confirm your role as extra night deaths occur. It’s still harmful(it’s an outsider after all) but it yields information

Characters such as puzzle master and klutz also lean into this archetype

An outsider being able to mitigate their effects by playing well is how it should work. a puzzle master finds who they poisoned they get to learn the demon after all. It’s not some unbalanced idea to have good players be rewarded for figuring out the game state

The conjurer is my favorite new character because it encourages concealment of the demon type in a BMR way. It can be used in death puzzle scripts to convince the town that they don’t know what the current demon actually is, it is an extra layer in figuring out what actually killed that night

[olive flume]

my tier list of the new HBL releases

excellent: all of them
great:
good:
ok:
meh:
shit: crown

I'm the #1 crown opp

(great release Luis /gen)

[steel hinge]

and here i thought it was silent

[olive flume]

oh no I hate crown more than silent

[stray otter]

and youre wrong about that but its fine

(not about dislking crown, about liking silent more than crown)

[dense grove]

crown rocks

silent I don't like

[steel hinge]

silent is scuffed and i dont like that it can remove an outsider

[jagged frost]

Chat silent isn’t even released yet back off 💀

[jagged frost]

The Demon would have 3 Demon abilities while the Rune Eater has the Conjuror ability

As soon as another player is killed, the one the RE gave is gone

[jagged frost]

Ah yes, the Outsider is being an Outsider

[stray otter]

good

[jagged frost]

As geebs said, knowing what Demon is in play, isn’t always a key part of winning or losing (even tho it helps a lot), and when you use your ability, you actually do 2 extra things:

1. You now know a Demon ability that is in play, and can then build around it for certain;
2. If you get it wrong, then by having extra deaths, you will actually confirm yourself to everyone

But yeah like

If your argument for why it’s a bad character, is that it’s damaging for the good team, then I don’t really see how I can agree at all

Like Klutz literally loses the game

[stray otter]

one of the dlc character icons is just a bloody anvil 💀

[jagged frost]

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-tiny-toon-adventures-looney-tunes-anvil-gif-4632930310475529830

[chilly linden]

I mean you can add some spice to it

[stray otter]

paradox its a joke look at the hbl channel on apoc

[chilly linden]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-baby-suspicious-side-eye-funny-gif-6639201701448518735

[sharp topaz]

I think their point was that it kind of kicks the good team when they're already down, and does significantly less damage to the good team when they're already winning

[jagged frost]

I mean testing has shown that it’s not actually that damaging

And also that solving the demon type isn’t always indicative of winning or losing

[jagged frost]

Also

[flint crest]

actually thats a valid point i hadnt considered

just placing this in a script with a lack of extra night deaths would balance out a conjuror's presence on said script

places social trust onto the conjuror and the people who tried to guide them into a different answer

and with that in mind, the conjuror doesnt seem so bad as previously thought

[sharp topaz]

yeah was just rephrasing their point to be more clear

[jagged frost]

yoooooooo guess what

DLC characters 7, 8, and 9

(Hethaesta art by Dark)

[dull cove]

Minion or demon?

[jagged frost]

Demon

[flint crest]

all seem cool

although hethaesta losing their cool ability after 1 evil death stings

[jagged frost]

it's basically a glass cannon

you do something really super fucking strong at the start

that shuts off towards the end of the game

[dull cove]

OMG a place where chirugeon might work /j

[jagged frost]

huh

[errant nymph]

Start with the ability “Each night*, win”, surely this can only go well

[jagged frost]

but yeah you can do some really janky stuff with this

e.g. give the Hethaesta the songstress ability

[dull cove]

3kpn but kills evils if their choices don't die

Well it's actually "up to 3"

[jagged frost]

"Each night*, choose a player: they die. You know the character who knows your ability & if you publicly guess who (once), evil wins."

[dull cove]

Each night*, you may choose up to 3 players: they die. If any do not, evils die instead

I've just had the best idea Luis

[jagged frost]

also you can make the 2ndary's trigger be when an evil player dies

so something like:

EN*,CAP:TD. If an evil player dies, choose a different character to become.

[jagged frost]

uh oh lmao

[red badge]

Nightshade, I can confirm, is so peak

[spring niche]

This is a stupid question but is night shade an outsider?

[red badge]

Yes!

(There are times where I wonder if Steven Medway regrets making it a 2 color system)

[flint crest]

i will mention that amongst my irl group, no one likes it aswell

actually except for 1, but its moreso a 'doesnt mind it' than a dislike

but the world is not ready for a dreaded green character token

[jagged frost]

I mean I like the 2 colours

It makes it clear that you’re on the same team

[jagged frost]

No yeah it’s an Outsider

[surreal hill]

Cryptid demon cryptid demon

[quaint sequoia]

bestie

that’s just obscrul 😭

they’re both from TBA 😭😭

[mild grotto]

Yeah I love it for this

I’ve seen light blue for outsider and orange for minion

On bloodstar

Which I like but for the official game it should be two colours

[flint crest]

i actually dont know what started it first; clocktower.online/live or bloodstar

since both use it for that

[gritty ermine]

Hethaesta is still more of a Cryptid than Obscrul is

Heth and Cryptid both tell good part or all of the ability

[surreal hill]

It's different tho

Obscrul doesn't give a widow ping explaining the ability

This does, cryptid does

[hoary abyss]

hmm what's the difference between "a player (if good)" and "a good player"?

[keen finch]

Yeah, that's odd.

Unless the intent so it can "affect" and learn evil players too.

[flint crest]

i believe that is what luis is going for, and it does make for a more cohesive design to the nightshade

otherwise the nightshade is a steward on crack

[hoary abyss]

ohhh i see

[polar bluff]

Nightshade 😭

[steel hinge]

its fun

[stray otter]

see it's a bloody anvil

[jagged frost]

Unofficial try not to compare characters challenge [[IMPOSSIBLE]]

[finite fractal]

This message actually reminds me of this homebrew called-

[spice prairie]

holy shit 9 new HBL drops?

[jagged frost]

6 more to go and then the DLC is done

[red badge]

holy crap Louise, Luis is typing

[jagged frost]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-23352642

[stray otter]

counterpoint delete every trace of silent from existence and then the dlc can be done

[finite fractal]

#SilentWillNotBeSilenced

[jagged frost]

silent isn't even in the DLC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720010349587202200/1248394749979787386/whyyy.gif

[spice prairie]

what's the purpose of Rook?

[stray otter]

scripts with no demon movement

[stray otter]

ok and

[spice prairie]

BMR 😔

[stray otter]

well yes but scripts that need demon movement lol

bmr doesnt

[red badge]

Ig you can also use Rook to save a game where the Demon accidentally outs early by making a stupid mistake

useful for like, if your group plays 1 game every week or something and you don't want that game to end d2

[spice prairie]

also holy shit trophy hunter is cracked

also damn genie is omen-coded

[jagged frost]

hey chat

here's a really cool thing for you all

[north rain]

we must ping everyone!!!

(don't actually)

[jagged frost]

the pPDF is the best imo bc it preserves the formatting better but the ePDF is alr too

it's a 40 page almanac 🔥

guess how many pages Matsuraid takes up

[stray otter]

none

its been removed from existence

along with silent

[jagged frost]

you all are just haters aren't you

[stray otter]

yes

[jagged frost]

silent isn't even released pleeeaaassseeee

[stray otter]

A
Public
Onslaught of people
Continuously dedicated to hating luis

[north rain]

something something it better stay that way (idk I don’t actually have an opinion on it)

[mild grotto]

That’s so beautiful

[stray otter]

the almanac is fire

[jagged frost]

how many collections have you seen do that
-# like, several others

[stray otter]

tba

copycat

smh

the celeste reference never fails to impress 😌

[vestal burrow]

my almanac looks better B)

[jagged frost]

it's not an almanac 😭

it's a wiki smh 😔

[vestal burrow]

okay fairs

but like
look at this masterpiece :3
notion takes yet another L

tbf that redesign of the website is a wip but

[jagged frost]

nah notion 🔛🔝

[vestal burrow]

carrd still looks far better :P

notion fucking looks like mastu's jinxes if it were on a crossword

[jagged frost]

agree to disagree lol

[stray otter]

wikidot is better

because

you can do literally whatever you want

[vestal burrow]

ig

[blazing tinsel]

😭 inconsistent punctuation

/not very important but i saw it and felt like pointing it out

[spice prairie]

final 1 moment

[surreal hill]

I mean f2 as well

Chariot can't self choose

[red badge]

Oh God, I just realized how cursed 2evilf3 is with Chariot

This is why Chariot is better DA

[jagged frost]

h o w

😭

[jagged frost]

False Prophet but with less steps

wait omg

yeah if chariot is in f3, then they're literally a false prophet

[jagged frost]

the first full stop is for "etc." and the second is to punctuate the end of the sentence

also

if you're mad at me

then be mad at steven too

but it's alr lmao

if anything the most egregious thing there is that the second bracket isn't italicised

[errant nymph]

Neither bracket is italicized

[stray otter]

oh god chariot is fpbb

(no bc its loud as balls)

(but its funny)

[red badge]

Dark, darling

FP is EID

[north rain]

why is this series of letters kinda BBbbfP coded

[sharp topaz]

Yo wait I had this idea before 😭😭

What is this from

[vestal burrow]

#1332842317220151367

[sharp topaz]

Mine was that you gain an on script ability not an off script one 😭

[vestal burrow]

ah xd

I think off script is more interesting

[sharp topaz]

Yeah same

[sharp topaz]

I didnt actually realize how many jinxes this character has

[gritty ermine]

Yep. Basically anything that cares about death & executions in any way

[clever robin]

ain't matsuraid great

[blazing tinsel]

You have the punctuation before the parenthesis 2 sentences above 🙈 So mostly the inconsistency.

[hoary abyss]

No that is as it should be

As the entire sentence is parenthesized

[stray otter]

shhh lets not take into account that i dont know my own character

[stray otter]

tmmhhaudfhtfgj

bbbbfp is a lot but my collection wins

[red badge]

*tmmhhaudfhtftj

[stray otter]

no way i also misspelled my own collection goddamn

[sinful igloo]

oh I rember

a good klutz would be alive and so could just choose themself

I can't remember if this was intended or not

[stray otter]

i assure you its not

that needs fixing

[jagged frost]

honestly, thanks for reminding me bc i forgot to fix that lmao

[modern ferry]

Gave +1 Thanks to @sinful igloo (current: #2750 - 1)

[jagged frost]

Also

here are the final 6 characters for the DLC

[surreal hill]

I can finally finish my script no way

[red badge]

I am Flabberghasted by that last character

[jagged frost]

(note that Dark is working on some icons for the Demons but they're on a break rn)

and icl

as fun as the evil characters are here

i really really like Seedsman and Knife Thrower

[surreal hill]

Seedsman seems really cool

I like how seedsman and registrar are nwmbb but actually they're not

[jagged frost]

well w seedsman they don't learn it

[surreal hill]

Public claims kinda do just solve the issue huh

[jagged frost]

you have to tell them "hey i chose you, can you choose someone for me"

[surreal hill]

Yeah, I mean the design feels like it would be nwmbb but it sidesteps it

[jagged frost]

yeah

and i mean

registrar is an outsider

so 😭

[surreal hill]

Yeah

I'm saying this as a good thing

[red badge]

Luis, this is the unnofficial they might get scared

[jagged frost]

if anyone claim Regi, the ST always runs the circle

[red badge]

they still think ||Hangman|| is good

[jagged frost]

well w ||hangman||, you just kill players

w this, you fucking lose

it's also super easy to scare the good team as an evil player

"hi guys im the registrar, everyone claim now"
ST: "3... 2... 1..."

[red badge]

also Flabberghast is such a hype release

Yaggababble can do day deaths, but bc it takes from it's limited pool of kills it's way more feelsbad than this

[hoary abyss]

I don't get Piper. It publicly gives good an alternate win condition?

[mild grotto]

I think the implication is evil wins if they're not executed

[jagged frost]

yeah it's "if & only if"

So if good would otherwise win, they don't

this is especially potent in final 3

You can just say "I am an evil player, good wins today if and only if this player is executed"

[jagged frost]

not exactly that they don't win, it's just that if the game ends otherwise that day (e.g. by executing the Demon) then evil wins

[mild grotto]

ah

[jagged frost]

that's why it's eid so you can use it in f3

also

any axt jinxes people?

😭

[surreal hill]

Copy the leviathan jinxes and work from there I think

[jagged frost]

that's where i'm going

this one's a fun one imo

Grandmother and Axt: If Axt is in play and the Grandchild dies by execution, the Grandmother might be executed too. The Grandmother doesn’t die due to their ability as normal.

[north rain]

shoutouts to leviathan for being the perfect timer demon template

[jagged frost]

well not quite

lmao

*cough* Matsuraid *cough*

[surreal hill]

Matsu is a Special one

Requires extra care

At least leviathan lets players die before the game ends

[jagged frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577980138155933697/1365711690531995759/Wowee.gif

is this one fair?

Axt and King: If the Axt is in play, and at least 1 player has being executed due to the Axt's ability, the King learns an alive character each night.

[sinful igloo]

Saint and Goblin

needing to be executed after being nominated for their abilities to work

[jagged frost]

yup got those down

[jagged frost]

also there's a fun easter egg in the examples

[sinful igloo]

YOOOO

[jagged frost]

is there a FM jinx required?

bc raw the FM only cares about being the direct nominator

[surreal hill]

*role fearmonger

[vivid verge]

Fearmonger (Minion) - Experimental

Each night, choose a player: if you nominate & execute them, their team loses. All players know if you choose a new player.

**Affects Setup: **False

[surreal hill]

Oh I was thinking of goblin wording not fm

I think it's fine unjinxed yeah

It has to be the FM nomming the target and that resulting in an execution

[jagged frost]

part of me wants to leave exe survival characters unjinxed

[surreal hill]

I think those should probably be unjinxed yeah

Just a bad interaction

[jagged frost]

and then add an ST tip that says "if a player is executed & does not die, you may rule that another player dies instead."

Boomdandy lmao

[surreal hill]

Lmao

I think that's funny

I think the jinx should be that axt's wincon doesn't proc on an explosion

So it stays mostly the same

Because it's funny

[hoary abyss]

I feel incredibly daft rn, but why wouldn't good just do that?

[surreal hill]

Well what if it's not in play

Now you're executing a good player on final 3

[hoary abyss]

yes, it's a great bluff, but it seems pretty weak in play?

[surreal hill]

Maybe

I think you gotta script it

It's like false prophet

[jagged frost]

picture this:

You're in final 3. You think that you've got the Demon. Then, that same player says "I'm an evil player, good wins iff you execute Bob". What do you do?

[surreal hill]

Silent info sponge :) you gotta solve for whether or not it's real

If it's in play and the good team can be convinced it's not, killing the demon wins the game for evil

[stray otter]

its like if false prophet met sicilian

[hoary abyss]

i see it now, thanks

[modern ferry]

Gave +1 Thanks to @jagged frost (current: #393 - 125)

[jagged frost]

np lol

ice had the same thought so it's chill

[olive flume]

wait if you're removing silent and matsuraid are you also removing crown

actually keep matsuraid I really like it

[jagged frost]

i did not say either of those things lmao

[stray otter]

your issues with crown are all ur own sophia i hate to break it to you

[sinful igloo]

question about Axt:

which character would an Undertaker learn?

or do they get both

[stray otter]

thats probably a jinx either way you rule it

[jagged frost]

RAW, the UT learns either

(this is relevant, for example, when a player is executed but then someone breaks ceremadness and is also executed)

[sinful igloo]

I see I see

so I'm guessing a Cannibal just gets either ability as well?

[jagged frost]

well

you make a good point

😭

[gritty ermine]

give them both abilities

[jagged frost]

yeah they are technically both the most recent executee(s)

[gritty ermine]

Also wait... its the ability of the most recent executee?

Say a drunk Sailor & a Cannibal are in the pair. THe Sailor is executed normally. Does the Cannibal surive execution?

By immediatley getting the Sailor ability

[jagged frost]

Pairs are executed simultaneously

meaning that the Cannibal wouldn't have the Sailor's ability (and would die)

[gritty ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

(my idea was funnier)

[jagged frost]

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[hoary abyss]

oh but wouldn't it be better if the "today" was moved to the end of the ability text?

[gritty ermine]

unfortunately, you are 😔

[jagged frost]

wouldn't change anything mechanically

and imo it's more important to note that it's only for that day

[clever robin]

why has the interrobang betrayed me

[jagged frost]

i disagree

[gritty ermine]

Me as the Mutant in F4 with 2 living evils & a dead Registrar 💀

nvm that doesnt work 😭

[surreal hill]

Definitely not, cannibal doesn't proc off exe survival

Oh wait

You mean if the sailor was drunk

Uhhhh

Yeah ok valid question

[gritty ermine]

Yea you see where my thought proccess was at

but Luis ruined it

/j.

[surreal hill]

UT is definitely an almanac clarification, UT learns one of them

[gritty ermine]

(also it wouldnt even be helpful. it was just funny)

[surreal hill]

Why tho

[gritty ermine]

why not?

[surreal hill]

Why not say the nominated player is executed immediately before the paired player, or vice versa

[surreal hill]

Because simultaneous things have a tendency to break in botc

[gritty ermine]

Tbf, that is still more of an alamanc thing than an ability thing. But otherwise, a fair question I dont know Luis's answer to

[surreal hill]

Oh definitely

[gritty ermine]

I've also seen a character taht has something like ||"If a player is executed, 1 of their neighbors might be too". If Axt worked like that, it would also imply the nomination bit happens first||

[jagged frost]

||such as?||

[gritty ermine]

So wait, heres a thought

Minstrel & Boomdandy in a pair. Boomdandy executed first

Is there explode?

[jagged frost]

under the simult ruling, everyone goes boom

[gritty ermine]

||Oh I may or may not have been lying on purpose about how much I know of this character or where its from :)||

[jagged frost]

you know what, fair enough, they aren't simultaneous

i told you guys that the DLC wouldn't have sauce

[gritty ermine]

Nah. Axt is cool

It’s janky at times, but then that’s never stopped you before :)

/lh

[jagged frost]

TRUE

[gritty ermine]

Seedsman still annoys me a bit conceptually, but that’s more a preference and it’s not like you could do the concept without taht sorta thing, one way or Nother

[jagged frost]

wdym?

[gritty ermine]

Just something about the player you choose publicly selecting a character without learning they’ve been pinged

That doesn’t mean I want it to be NWM But Better. It’s just… asthetically displeasing?

It’s not a major criticism or something that can/should be fixed. It’s just strange to look at

[red badge]

I would say Axt pairs has the nominated executee executed first, then the Axt pair. Cannibal gets the most recent, so it'd get the un-nominated half of the pair

[stray otter]

do you know why goldsmith goes during the day

it didnt use to

[red badge]

IT DIDN'T??

[jagged frost]

nope lmao

[stray otter]

i gave luis that idea

[red badge]

I thought I was there when it was being made lmao

maybe I was n just forgot

[gritty ermine]

That’s different imo. You don’t really learn anything until the final day

Also, the recipient doesn’t have to engage with it. So it’s no more different than a Slayer in my mind

[stray otter]

the recipient needs to remember so that they dont lose the ability...?

[jagged frost]

i mean, with it on script, everyone should be considering who they should be investigating

[gritty ermine]

If they want to play well…

But it feels much weirder to have another person being told by the Seedsman to claim an input for the ability of the Seedsman

[jagged frost]

that adds to it imo in that as an evil player you could do it to distract them

"Hi i'm the SM, can you maybe choose this player please"

[gritty ermine]

It just feels weird to wake & say “Hi I’m SM. Could you give me a character?”

It probably won’t feel weird in practice. I just… I’d need to see it happen

I do believe it can. It just gives strange vibes

[lethal abyss]

Doesn’t seedsman need a “they learn this”

[stray otter]

the whole reason its during the day is so they dont

otherwise its better nightwatchman

[lethal abyss]

Ohh

Ok

[lethal abyss]

Don’t really understand knife thrower

So they save themselves and give extra kills to the demon?

[blazing tinsel]

knife thrower is probably an outsider

[lethal abyss]

Uhh

Still don’t understand it

[blazing tinsel]

& yes, that interpretation seems to line up

[lethal abyss]

Then

Why is there no “another”

Or “additional”

Seems confusing

[clever robin]

why would there need to be?

[lethal abyss]

Reads a bit confusing

Without it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clever robin]

I feel like adding reference to another kill doesn’t make much sense

[blazing tinsel]

it gives the demon a kill seperately from their ability

[clever robin]

yeah

the kill is unrelated to whatever the demon is doing

[blazing tinsel]

(think this is were the confusion originates from)

[stray otter]

the dlc character types shouldve been specified somewhere

[clever robin]

if the demon doesn’t choose kills, then saying “another” makes no sense

[lethal abyss]

Additional

1 kill is still technically additional if 0 was previous

[clever robin]

sure but why specify additional at that point

[lethal abyss]

It reads very oddly without the word

A first-time reader could assume that might nullify other additional kills

[clever robin]

I think that assumption can be cleanly solved by the character being properly labeled as an Outsider

it’s also just very odd to use the word “additional” to refer to an unrelated, assumed ability that may not even exist

[surreal hill]

SM being able to choose itself is intentional right

Feels like a weird choice but if it works it works and more agency is nice

[grizzled cipher]

i dont think it is considering seedsman choosing itself n1 lets it circumvent the false info clause

[spring niche]

If the person chosen on n1 is evil it doesn’t permanently make all its info false

It’s a day by day thing

If the chooser is evil the seedsman gets false info

[grizzled cipher]

ooooooooooooh

the first as in the first chosen player, not the first chosen player

[surreal hill]

Oh yeah I interpreted it the other way as well

[steel hinge]

what

[jagged frost]

KT is an outsider that just screws with the death count

E.g.

• If the Demon tried to kill them, the Demon learns this and can try again (probably killing someone better in the process)
• The Tea Lady neighbours the Knife Thrower and the Assassin, when the Knife Thrower is executed, they don't die. That night, the Demon chooses to kill no-one using the Knife Thrower's ability.

[errant nymph]

Isn’t Seedsman just kinda broken? Like mentioned they can just choose themself and be an EN* Ravenkeeper. There’s also the cheese of having the person they choose publicly choose the Seedsman and be an EN* Cop

[jagged frost]

two things:

1. choosing yourself isn't intended so i'll patch that
2. doing such a bold and public strategy isn't really great if you want to say alive

there's also the issue that your info is delayed and so if evil catches wind of you choosing someone that they'd like to frame, they can poison you and rain on your parade

[errant nymph]

Yeah the first one was definitely the much more glaring problem

[gritty ermine]

I’ll be honest. I was wondering if Seedsman choosing themselves was somehow not a good idea because you miss out on reading false info from evils or something

The “choosing yourself is bad for loving” bit is a little weird because I imagine it’d play out like Gossip. A lot of people claim & the Demon just kills threatening choices

But knowing that choosing self is more “actively unintended” and not just “a thing that doesn’t need patching because it’s an ok or suboptimal strategy”

[lethal abyss]

Why is the knife thrower’s ability proccing when they don’t even die 💀

[clever robin]

the Tea Lady ability isn't actually active, so they were supposed to die and didn't due to their own ability

[lethal abyss]

Puzzledrunk?

[flint crest]

huh

[surreal hill]

no theyre just next to an evil player

[flint crest]

^

[lethal abyss]

Oh

[quick fern]

evil twin and good twin are in an axt pair and both get exed simultaneously
does evil win?

[gritty ermine]

I'd assume not if its simeltaneous

If its not simeltaneous per Luis changing rulings, it would depend on which twin was executed first

[jagged frost]

They aren’t executed simultaneously, and so it depends who’s first

[quick fern]

help i just went “hey what about mastermind axt” before realizing the demon would be dead 😭
(that still probably needs a jinx like al-had though)

[surreal hill]

I mean it works unjinxed

It's a matter of do you want the good team to deal with solving for that

[quick fern]

ooh wait good point

since good wouldn’t know who the demon was

[gritty ermine]

It’s also a timer Demon, so no tells

[quick fern]

they cant trivially double tap

… wait

are sets not public

[gritty ermine]

Unless you give Savant info or something

[gritty ermine]

The sets are not public. Town only sees a set when a member of the pair is executed

[quick fern]

… wait so then whats stopping the axt from making a set of “everyone except for myself”

[gritty ermine]

But they will not know who is in a pair and if they are excite outside of a pair, they won’t see it happen

[gritty ermine]

You have to do pairs. It’s not Shacklewight

[jagged frost]

“2 sets of 2 players”

[quick fern]

oh

damn i misunderstood this i thought it was shacklewight 2

[jagged frost]

Nah not quite lmao

[gritty ermine]

Yea. It's not Shacklewight

Or rather, doesnt have the "pick anyone" stuff

[jagged frost]

Tbf this makes the character have a lot of juice

In playtesting, executions became quite the show

[gritty ermine]

good to know. i wasnt really making any statement onit tho. I was saying that mechanically, town cant know for sure who's in a pair until they see a dual execution happen taht day

barring stuff like Savant to let good know who's been paired

[jagged frost]

“3… 2… 1… Anna is executed… and… no-one else. Anna dies.” *The players all sink deeper into their chairs in relief*

[jagged frost]

Oh ik, I just wanted to point it out bc it’s probably my favourite part of the character

“Okay we’re executing Arbalest, but who else is getting the chop”

[gritty ermine]

It is a very investing timer Demon with night choices and flexible timers

[quick fern]

can dead players be in a pair too

[jagged frost]

Indeed

But idk why you’d do that

[quick fern]

zombuul axt script gonna go hard

[jagged frost]

damn

[quick fern]

gives another explanation for no night deaths

[gritty ermine]

Rochambeau but with Axt

[quick fern]

but also

“if none died today evil wins”

[gritty ermine]

Axt is also cool because it’s a timer Demon where deaths are helpful to evil

So you can make Rochambeau stuff even better since Axt synergizes with some level of deaths

[quick fern]

town can figure out which demon it is eventually
but by then it might be too late
okay this goes hard,,

[quick fern]

i want to see this script now

zombuul axt script with no other demons(?)

[gritty ermine]

Be the change you want to see in the world :)

(I might also be willing to provide advice & guidance in a few hours)

[quick fern]

the 4 hour long script,,

king axt 🔥

guys i can’t wait to learn my info when the game ends right when i start learning my info

[gritty ermine]

I think it’s jinxed?

But idk. They’re DLC characters so Luis hasn’t fully thought it through

[jagged frost]

(if only someone was working on that )

[jagged frost]

actually now that I think of it, I played a script like that

and it was actually shite

it went on for 12 days

bc there aren't any exe survival

[jagged frost]

there's the jinx:

Axt and King: If the Axt is in play, and at least 1 player has being executed due to the Axt's ability, the King learns an alive character each night.

[quick fern]

and is choirboy just “if the king gets exed due to axt you proc”?

[jagged frost]

that's just RAW yeah

no jinx required bc the Demon is what kills the King

[errant nymph]

I’d say strict RAW the execution is what kills the King, the Axt is just what causes that execution. Semantics tho

[flint crest]

question: if a tree in the woods cut by an Axt falls down and no one is nearby, does it even make a sound?

[jagged frost]

i don't know how you know this but that's literally the flavour text

“If a tree falls, and no-one is around, I will be the one to hear it.”

[flint crest]

god damn it i thought i was clver

i didnt know

idk if u posted it earlier cause now i got egg on my face

[jagged frost]

no no i'm impressed

i was like dang

bro cold-called the fucking flavour 😭

[flint crest]

lmao, i remember it all the way back from when animaniacs made a joke on it

[jagged frost]

-# (also the subtlety here is that it's implied to be "no-one else around". Not that the Axt is just some weird fucker who can speak to trees)

[north rain]

ka ka

[jagged frost]

GOD DAMN IT

[jagged frost]

Fixed lol

[sharp topaz]

why do all of these say no access?

[jagged frost]

Bc I haven’t added their pages yet (they aren’t finished)

[north rain]

||the saint is actually the alch-VI bluffing||

[jagged frost]

||Not quite||

[opaque cloud]

||The drunk VI saw the Alch and the Saint as evil||

[blazing tinsel]

||2.chariot has chosen the cannibal/player bluffing cannibal & organ grinder?||

[spice prairie]

|| Last day, due to Organ Grinder, Town tried to execute someone, but the Chariot redirected the kill to the Cannibal instead ||

[jagged frost]

||bingo, [extra text to not spoil]||

[sinful igloo]

Is Registrar jinxed with Drunk?

[jagged frost]

Nope, and I don’t see why it should be

[clever robin]

it's their own fault for not claiming correctly

[sinful igloo]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[gritty ermine]

Makes sense. If you were given a breathalyzer after claiming to be sober, you’d probably get arrested after too

:)

[jagged frost]

also prophet now can't choose themself

bc that's boring

[clever robin]

I mean what are they going to learn

"It probably wasn't that useful to choose yourself"

[jagged frost]

Hey guys guess what

With the release of Princess

Comes another Matsuraid jinx

😍

[north rain]

yippee!!

[vestal burrow]

another one :fear:

[surreal hill]

How do you even jinx that

If the princess nominated day 1 matsu takes another day to win?? 😭

[clever robin]

If the princess nominates and executes a player on their 1st day, they don’t

[surreal hill]

Honestly? Yeah I like that

[jagged frost]

Slight problem here, it’s basically the klutz fallacy

Well acc

So is the Exorcist

If the Matsuraid is in play & the Princess nominates an ally on their 1st day, all votes for them secretly don’t count.

[clever robin]

so what I said but made actually useful

[jagged frost]

Yes lol

The main reason why I changed it to that is bc it gives more of an incentive to actually trustfall

Bc if you get an evil player, then you’re actually fine

[red badge]

For God's great light, please use the old Alch/Widow jinx for HSCM

1. The Demon doesn't attack so it literally doesn't work
2. The old jinx was vital to the script imo

[keen finch]

HCSM?

[jagged frost]

Wait…

Alch-Widow breaks Levi

😭

THREE WAY JINXES LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[clever robin]

errata-ing the jinx to add "if possible" to the end, and sending it as is

[stray otter]

heaven style country music

[lethal abyss]

Just thought of a ridiculous scenario involving 2 homebrews and 2 official characters

Btw the homebrews are from completely different almanacs and so are the official characters from different scripts

[jagged frost]

Do tell

[lethal abyss]

Knife Thrower getting stabbed 18 times by charged Po who had too much sugar ||(Sugar Rush)|| in their coffee ||(Barista)|| and still fails to kill the Knife Thrower

…is that even the right number

[errant nymph]

What's Sugar Rush do?

[lethal abyss]

Traveler

Each night*, choose a player: if they agree, their ability might work thrice & get true info. Then, they die, even if for some reason they could not.

From the SCP Fragmented almanac

[blazing tinsel]

the po can't choose the same player 3 times when charging

[lethal abyss]

Charged

Oh true

Forgot

[errant nymph]

Any character that chooses multiple players cannot choose the same player twice

[lethal abyss]

But 18 kills would be so cursed though

[blazing tinsel]

& barista po would allow it to act twice

which would remove the charge after the first act & half the amount of kills on the knife thrower

[jagged frost]

Icl that’s just a skill issue 😭

[blazing tinsel]

(pretty sure about this, or its at least how i've learned it should be run)

[jagged frost]

Like why are you choosing the same 3 players when you could just, idk, kill literally everyone else??? 😭

[lethal abyss]

Idk

It’s just the ridiculous scenario

[jagged frost]

True true

[blazing tinsel]

The power move is just choosing the knife thrower over and over due to their ability

[jagged frost]

TRUE

[lethal abyss]

you eventually kill them

Or the night goes to infinity

[jagged frost]

(The guidance on that tho is that if the Demon chooses the KT with themself, then just let it happen)

[lethal abyss]

Make the demon do it 57 times before allowing the kill to pass

[jagged frost]

Don’t baby them into making a different choice

(That sent late)

[blazing tinsel]

I agree with that but find the thought funny

I would probably save the 1st time they tried to kill the knife thrower early in the game tho so they know the player is that outsider in case it changes who they want to kill

[jagged frost]

Probably the only time that I’d fully force them to choose a different player is if evil is getting PUMMELLED

literally puréed

[surreal hill]

But have you considered the pixie mayor and the cannibal mayor

They can just redirect all the kills to the same player

-# (...I'm pretty sure)

[blazing tinsel]

(this looks to be correct)

[blazing tinsel]

🤔

amazing thoughts, now we can create as many knife thrower deaths as possible

[quaint sequoia]

<@&1272694218204381244> Game of IACOT V3 before it goes live to test thoughts, there's also a butcher

Here's the link! https://botc.app/join/74980

For context, this is what's being tested:

[jagged frost]

Just for those wondering btw, all of the NYP+ characters are now online, I just haven’t officially declared the update because I haven’t uploaded the showcases (and I’m on holiday so I can’t 😔)

[errant nymph]

Might run Behold The Grave in text ngl.

I do wish these scripts and characters were on Notion too though to make them easier to find. The characters have their own little section for all the new ones, but don’t show up in the “characters by type” sections

[jagged frost]

I can probably add them to the characters by type sections but the scripts will have to wait until later today unfortunately

(Bc I’ve been abroad)

[errant nymph]

Understandable

[red badge]

Wait, Luis, I thought you were a guy

(this joke is more of a spoken joke, but it's a very funny joke an irl of mine made so idc)

[errant nymph]

The json for Behold The Grave has Juggler but the image instead has Mayor. Which one is correct?

[jagged frost]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

@stray otter

I want to say that it’s mayor but I could be completely wrong

Acc no probably juggler

Bc usually I update the json files first before the image

[stray otter]

i actively removed mayor

so juggler

[bold tusk]

Hey dark and Luis why did you put Juggler on a mono demon script

me when I juggle 4/5 crowns for fun

[stray otter]

i dont think i actively put juggler i think it was a thing to be replaced

but eh let it be tested i think it's prob fine

[jagged frost]

Ask dark not me lmao

Tbf tho it’s not that horrible w Crown

Bc you can wifom to your heart’s content

And also Juggler is another rake that the Crown can bluff 😍

[bold tusk]

it's a solo-demon script though there's an optimal choice to split the grim with juggler

[stray otter]

sure but i think its like ~ fine ~ considering summoner is here

[stray otter]

this could be a case where soldier is good actually

so probably soldier for juggler

[gritty ermine]

Also while we’re asking about Behold the Grave…

Why is Mayor on solo Crown? It seems a bit weird that it either bounces & hard confirms itself or dies and is useless

I assume that’s the point? That’s it’s essentially a bait role that gets confirmed? And that evil deals with it through Anubis transformation, Genie trickery, or even a Chariot redirect?

[blazing tinsel]

or maybe more importantly, pick the mayor wish someone and in the other pair pick yourself and someone

which means you can still kill a confirmed mayor

cause otherwise evil wins

[gritty ermine]

That’s true

[jagged frost]

Imo yes

[stray otter]

mist have you read five messages above 😭

[stray otter]

here

[gritty ermine]

Oh I see. It’s not Mayor at all