The Bootlegger's Anthology - (Consider Damocles)

[sharp coral]

Interesting stuff

[viral wolf]

i want to ask it somewhere but not somewhere where a player can see it

[viral wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1216469469077962883/1223688451929538732/image.png?ex=6623fe2d&is=6611892d&hm=61aa35ecb90f3525709dd912b3efcfd055f406750d7194fde64fcb4764b35e42&

do the TBA people approve of this grimoire

[oak rampart]

very very funny grimoire

i approve

[viral wolf]

yay

[gloomy lance]

super what did you do

[oak rampart]

no no no it's a funny gimmick game i support it

this is the kind of dumb nonsense obscrul was built for, so long as you incorporate some relatively normal stuff as well

[gloomy lance]

yes i know but im obligated to ask anyway

because i am in this group lol

[scenic dome]

obscregion

[half tide]

Indeed

Looking at it

👁️

I see all

[dreamy cliff]

We are Obscrul

[half tide]

Also

If i was left alive

I would literally carry

Just imagine Storyteller tapping on your shoulder, you open your eyes and see 6

[dreamy cliff]

tbf

i don’t think that there’s a scenario in which the Spice would get a 0

i mean sure they could just not vote

but also

that’s very unlikely

[half tide]

Now show the spice trader a 12

In a bigger legion game

🗣️

I mean hey

Would be funny seeing their reaction

[dreamy cliff]

how would you even show that

😭

[half tide]

Hold a grimoure on your head

And uhh

Have 6 fingers on each hand

[dreamy cliff]

do you just do this? ☝️ ✌️

easy

use binary

lmao

[half tide]

Write on a piece of paper "12"

[dreamy cliff]

true…

[half tide]

Still would be fun

To see something like this

But irl

[dreamy cliff]

yeah lmao

[viral wolf]

whoever's making the TBA print and play needs to make 12 obscrul tokens

[wheat musk]

...Wouldn't 12 in binary be "110"?

Which is even harder to display on your fingers.

Oh, you could do it in hexadecimal and just show them the letter B.

[oak rampart]

oh trust me i have the print and play on my agenda. that's way down the road though

[viral wolf]

what do we think of Archivist/Vortox

I suppose you can just check for it D1 by asking "Is the Demon's ability (something not on the script that you're 100% sure isn't some weird Obscrul ability)?"

[somber anvil]

“Does the Demon’s ability have to do with baked beans”

[tender fjord]

Each night*, target a player: they die. If they had baked beans within the last 24 hours, one of their Townsfolk neighbors is poisoned.

[viral wolf]

Plot twist: the Obscrul has an ability related to baked beans

[somber anvil]

Counter-point: now you get to play with an Obscrul ability that has to do with baked beans, which is objectively funny

[tender fjord]

you could always make the standard vortox check question be "does the demon's ability involve time travel" if we want to encourage obscrul games to go for really bad ideas

the answer is actually always yes because time is always traveling forward idiot

[muted ice]

Are there any guidelines on how long you should wait for Falconer based on different characters/in-play vs out of play

[quaint ginkgo]

Hey everyone, I'm looking to print these characters to try some in-person games. The images on the Google doc are a bit too pixelated when I stretch them on a token. Does anyone know where I can find high-rez character icons?

[gleaming agate]

In the jsons

[quaint ginkgo]

Oooooh there's Imgur links! Thank you!

[dreamy cliff]

that’s the joke

is it 3 or 12??

[frozen moon]

Each Night*, choose a player: They have never existed.

[viral wolf]

Big Obscrul

made a silly teensy script, no idea how it'll go in practice

[half tide]

I see

[dreamy cliff]

Won as good on Fifth Wind

[viral wolf]

pretty sure your fish advice straight up won the game there actually

[dreamy cliff]

yup

[half tide]

Same

[void pike]

Lleech/DA obscures demon type too much to be in a teensy with Terminus imo

[viral wolf]

fair, the whole point is to figure out the demon type (hence the name of the script)

[remote widget]

flowergirl is very weak in teensys...

[remote widget]

having 3 minions as well makes a lot to solve for, especially with crypthid being able to do almost everything as well

[viral wolf]

fair, but Cryptid gives out a ping

maybe Widow instead of Esper for its ping?

no but then the poison is

very strong

[remote widget]

Why is the ping important?

[viral wolf]

makes it easier to solve the minion type

and a hint to what the Cryptid does

[remote widget]

Eh...

me who doesn't really like it

[viral wolf]

i haven't actually had a chance to playtest it since when I was about to like 4 people showed up and we played a full game

(about to rack up)

[remote widget]

(I don't like widow on teensys either for that matter)

[viral wolf]

fair

Widow also feels pretty bad to solve against Lleech poison on this script so I didn't add it

actually I'm gonna sub out flowergirl since I can see it just being used as a vortox detector

[blissful holly]

the archivist tunneled on it being shroud for some reason

[viral wolf]

(as in the fucking ToS2 NK)

[sharp coral]

How does one tunnel on a character from a different game

[oak rampart]

Obscrul has effects on people.

[half tide]

Don't let Super cook

I'm traumatized

😔

I see faces in a wall of dots

[sharp coral]

It's okay, you're safe now

You can trade your spice in peace

[viral wolf]

yknow good would've stood a chance if ell hadn't been sheeped into executing you for pretty much no reason D1

[viral wolf]

but that's what Firebrand claims do

[half tide]

Literally

Anyone else

I claimed spice trader

[tough ermine]

Question about Firebrand

RAW, if the firebrand nominates and executes the same player again, they get another use of their ability? I assume that's not RAI

[oak rampart]

yeah that is not RAI, but it's fairly obvious that shouldn't be the case so I left the inexactitude in there

[tough ermine]

Gotcha, thought I should check before I run Bleeding of the Warband

[oak rampart]

previous wordings were way less clear; i've compromised in favour of readability here

but yes, the intent is that the Firebrand only triggers on the first execution of the game

[tough ermine]

"If you are the first player to nominate and execute someone"?

[tough ermine]

Omg that was meeee!

[viral wolf]

yes it was

the next game I think you were the evil Poisoner actually

[tough ermine]

I think I was the psychologist?

Oh wait I was the evil poisoner at least once

[viral wolf]

yeah it was the game where Midnight procced D2 because you incited everyone poisoning each other with the Bio-Weapon D1

[teal hazel]

Ok I should’ve asked this when the characters were first released. But for those of us who didn’t have the dedication to go code breaking, what does the Grandmaster flavor text actually say?

[elfin quest]

it's a game of chess. not sure which game, im not that much of a chess guy

hence the pawn icon

[oak rampart]

it's Bobby Fischer v. Donald Byrne, 1956

better known as The Game of the Century

[teal hazel]

OH its chess notation, isnt it?

[oak rampart]

yep!

[teal hazel]

I thought it was a complex substitution cipher of some sort (dont know much about code breaking)

[oak rampart]

i did briefly consider doing a cipher flavor text for Esper, but then i realised that its' current flavor text was funnier than anything else I could do

[scenic dome]

wait whats esper flavor text

oh

fun

[dreamy cliff]

I knew you were going to read that, dark

[scenic dome]

i didnt

[sharp coral]

Luis isn't quite as accurate as the esper

[teal hazel]

Obviously Luis is not the Esper then

Or the Courtier chose Esper last night. One of the two

[half tide]

Or If you guys waited for me to come back from sleeping

😔

I'm still zad

Like gib the nominee some time

To at least wake up

[blissful spindle]

just messaging here to get easy access to these lovely characters

And the instant I did that, I realised there is a 'follow' button in the top right

oops

[half tide]

Did funny bot creating

[lucid osprey]

why can’t you pin messages in forums

this makes me upset

does anyone have the almanac link for this

wait nvm the pinned messages are hidden in settings

obviously

[muted ice]

YEAH I HATE THAT TOO

one of the dumbest things with the discord update

it makes 0 sense

[torn scaffold]

how do you make these drawings

[scenic dome]

as the artist of that

you just draw it in black and white and then overlay the texture

[torn scaffold]

what software do you use to get and overlay the texture

[scenic dome]

draw in krita, texture is pinned in #homebrew-characters and i just overlay it in krita

[half tide]

You know what's funnier?

Seeing 12 as spice trader

[left merlin]

[dreamy cliff]

Matsu STrader lmao

[teal hazel]

You get an 11. Its Recluse, Spice Trader, and all evils

[dreamy cliff]

trick question, no one voted

[half tide]

Everyone voted on today's execution

But you see 0

[viral wolf]

players have just informed me that there is a BAD typo on Bleeding of the Warband

@oak rampart pixie says "when you die" and not "when they die" on the script, just making sure you know

[oak rampart]

oh shit yeha i'll solve that in a moment

actually probably this weekend i'm vfery busy

[scenic dome]

should also update the wight icon if you do go in and edit the images

[oak rampart]

that's the plan!

[blissful holly]

will banshee wind up jinxed with silversmith? or will it just be left as a thing that exists i guess

[gloomy lance]

it's not broken, it doesn't need a jinx

not an amazing combo but thats on you as a script writer to see

[teal hazel]

I might have a reason to consider going back to my "Silly Fox abilities and Vigor" script

Vigor killed HJ with the Banshee sounds hilarious

[gleaming agate]

I think if any demon kills HJ with Banshee, that will trigger and give HJ double noms/votes

Correct me if I am wrong

[gloomy lance]

Vigor killed HJ with Banshee is
very jank

you aren't able to double vote or nominate if you change which ability you're using

but yes any Demon can trigger HJ Banshee, and it'll stick

[teal hazel]

To be fair, Mez also gives extra voting power

[gloomy lance]

no thats not the issue

if you change your ability after getting vigorkilled you lose your Banshee powers lol

[teal hazel]

Oh yeah... I guess you just have to make up an excuse to not vote

Which is.... difficult

[teal hazel]

Also to be clear, you can never swap back into Banshee votes if you swap out, right?

I assume so

[gloomy lance]

yes because then you're a new instance of Banshee

so keep choosing banshee to keep your votes

[teal hazel]

Eh I can still cook with Vigor, HJ, and Banshee on a scrip together, even if Vigor HJ is ironically the least abusable in the traditional sense

whether I will or not is dependent on my stamina meter

[oak rampart]

that's correct

[viral wolf]

played fifth wind, that was a LOT of fun

[dreamy cliff]

love that

how was the cryptid split?

[muted ice]

I'd assume "or minions learn who the demon is." went to the good player

[split oasis]

hi

[viral wolf]

hi

[split oasis]

"Each night, choose two players: they are both mad… …as each other’s roles if good, or Minions learn the Demon tonight."

Source: I was the ST

Fisherman advice was "Tell Sam to use their ability on the bottom half of the grimoire"

[muted ice]

What day was it given?

[split oasis]

The day before the final one

D3

[muted ice]

That seems reasonable

[split oasis]

Grandmaster then used immediately afterwards

Had no choice but to show them the Fisherman lol

[muted ice]

Yeah rip lol

[split oasis]

It was a fun ability though

I like Cryptid

[oak rampart]

i'm glad you do! i'm very happy with Cryptid as a design, mostly becuase I think it's probably the best way to execute the Amnesiac concept for Minions

[muted ice]

I agree

People just be doing BH-turned amnesiac out here and then not notifying the good team anything about their ability

[viral wolf]

Cardinal has 2 Ls in the word "alignment" in the JSON
@gleaming agate @oak rampart pinging you two about a typo in TBA for the millionth time

[viral wolf]

Just played a Ketos game
Sadly ended when the lobby imploded due to lack of Minion, but evil probably would've won considering nobody at all suspected the ketos

[lucid osprey]

where are you guys finding lobbies that play TBA

[viral wolf]

we're starting them

...currently looking for players in one

(unsubtle plug)

[viral wolf]

also, is Firebrand supposed to be able to self-nom and execute themselves

[muted ice]

Idk if they're "supposed to be able" but they are able, which is why I was thinking of making a firebrand/boomdandy script

[lucid osprey]

i’ll try to join in a bit

[teal hazel]

So wait are these lobbies on the official app I assume?

[viral wolf]

yeah

[split oasis]

"Each night, choose a player and a reminder token: one of their neighbors… …receives it and its effects, and learns this."

Cryptid is now my favorite minion

[viral wolf]

this is what I thought the grim was!

(andrew was the terminus and kiffer was the artist in reality)

I saved my demon by slapping down the Terminus: Final Day reminder token on someone N1

[tough ermine]

:(

[tough ermine]

Are there any jinxes other than Beachcomber/Artist & Beachcomber/Savant?

If so, is there a place to find them?

[tough ermine]

Ah nvm

Also @viral wolf that was certainly a game

[viral wolf]

yeah

Lunatic shenanigans

[tough ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-krennic-this-c-lose-gif-10935154

What changed the grim? Town went from "The lunatic is evil in every world, there's no way they're not the demon" to "It's just Tir. They're the vortox", literally overnight

[tough ermine]

@oak rampart Surely, it should be poisoned, not drunk?

[oak rampart]

i don't want to talk about it

[sharp coral]

obviously it was an alchemist miasma!

don't ask how that works

[scenic dome]

best jinx

such a funny jinx

[split oasis]

Clearly they’re the Drunk™️

And not actually the SC

[tough ermine]

Oh of course, Duh!

I love how TBA manages to execute amnesiac Outsider, Minion, and Demon, and make them all feel unique

[lucid osprey]

is there a list of TBA jinxes somewhere

[half tide]

Somewhere

Somewhere far away

Far more longer than the eye could see

So far that the journey to it is physically impossible

[scenic dome]

the json, mostly

[sharp coral]

The far away json

[gleaming agate]

Official Bootleggers Anthology Update from the Bootlegger's Anthology Official Technical Support Person!
v.1.0.2 - "scream that's not stuck in your throat like a stone"

• Added Banshee jinxes
• Adjusted Night Order to account for Banshee
• Fixed the typo in Cardinal's ability (thanks @viral wolf)
• Fixed the typo in Steeplejack's Yagababble jinx
  https://github.com/SansCipher/bootlegger

[lucid osprey]

ty

[tough ermine]

Fencer + Pukka - Only 1 jinxed character can be in play.
What if the fencer simply learned the pukka poisoned player?

[sharp coral]

That would confirm the demon type

[somber anvil]

Would it? It’d be the same info, right? Just learns the chosen player

[sharp coral]

Seems I forgot how Fencer works

My bad

[half tide]

Listen

Pukka kills are 2 nights late

First fencer knows who's gonna get poisoned

They will be poisoned aa night later

And only then killed another night later

[half tide]

Also

Mind if I use spicetrader icon

For a meme

Idk who drew it

[scenic dome]

me

i drew it

you can use it for a meme

all the icons are either maja (shes not in the server) or me, except for exe who is still a game-icon

[scenic dome]

perfect

[gleaming agate]

Literally what happened on Etreides's stream when I storytold a Game of Chess last time

[scenic dome]

hope it goes different today

[gleaming agate]

https://tenor.com/s84lOpcYFOZ.gif

[tough ermine]

[half tide]

Best obscrul ability.
Each day and night and dawn and dusk, choose 2 players, they die and their good neighbours also die. You cannot die during the day and players that know their roles die except for evils. Storyteller is always on your side and can break rules to enforce an evil win. [+Evil Archivist]

[lucid osprey]

so balanced

don’t forget archivist guess not counting against you

[split oasis]

No need, Archivist dies instantly

No one will be alive by the end of N1

[half tide]

Fixed it a bit

[lucid osprey]

i got one

“Each night, choose 3 players. If you choose a good player, you die. [Evil does not learn each other]”

[half tide]

The funkiest obscrul ability

[somber anvil]

“You might die at any time”

[half tide]

"Storyteller chooses any number of players(14 minimum), they die. Additionally, send 100 announcement messages that all comes true no matter what "

[somber anvil]

One of my favorite Obscrul abilities was “Each night*, choose something to happen. Either it happens or someone dies, you learn which”

I only watched the game

[split oasis]

The poor Archivist

[somber anvil]

I think it ended early and got re-racked unfortunately

But yeah if the question is ever “Can the Demon do X” it’s always a yes. Though, that itself is a huge clue

[lucid osprey]

does anyone have like

an obscrul guide

on how to make balanced abilities

i feel like i’ve seen it

[somber anvil]

There’s one in the almanac

[half tide]

Eh I just think that obscrul ability should be mainly fun

But not too complicated so archivist can guess it

[split oasis]

I can give you examples, but it’s hard to come up with advice for such an open ended ability

As a rule of thumb though

Very powerful/unguessable abilities should be signaled somehow

I once ran a game with Super with an Obscrul that gained out-of-script abilities

We gave it the clause of “a good player learns the ability gained each night”

[split oasis]

Astronomer doodle

I might do more tba characters
idk

[split oasis]

By the way what is the Penitent icon meant to be
Asking for a friend

[oak rampart]

the apple in the garden of eden

i can explain the flavour for Penitent in more detail because i had. embarassingly specific ideas as to what the Penitent actually is

[muted ice]

Ooooo

[teal hazel]

I'd be happy to hear more details, though the flavor text seems relatively clear to me. The Petinent was one of the people who summoned the Demon, regrets it, and is seeking pennace. But if town kills them, their blood fuels the Demon or maybe pisses off a diety a la Saint

If any part is different than what I said, by all means correct me

[oak rampart]

that's mostly it, yes

[split oasis]

That’s the idea I got from the flavor

[void pike]

WAIT HOLD UP

ARE YOU THAT PERSON WHO DOES THOSE SICK ASS DRAWINGS ON THE SUBREDDIT?

[split oasis]

I might be
Which sick ass drawings are you referring to

[void pike]

uhh the ones that look cool, and do that thingy that that pic does where the background color and main color of the characters are the same

[split oasis]

I think those are mine

Should be, if you’re referring to Clocktower Character Doodles

Most are also in #fan-creations

[void pike]

after looking through, can confirm that indeed was you

art is sick as hell btw <3

[teal hazel]

Oh I might as well throw this out. AFAIK, Vessel is retired for understandable reasons. Will Vessel's mark tech also be retired or will it come back some distant day with a character who uses it more effectvely?

[viral wolf]

some of the legacy characters might come back

[teal hazel]

I understand that, though I'm mostly skeptical Vessel will be one of them. I'm just curious if the application of marking things on scripts for abilities will return. Because I cant think of abilities now, but I'm sure there are uses for it. Especially if Elluna, on some far off day, makes a script tool that explores mark tech

[scenic dome]

even if vessel doesnt come back ive seen other people, particularly imze and nycto, using the tech already

[teal hazel]

Huh. Do they have any such character publicly posted? i'd be curious to see if there are any

[scenic dome]

let me get one of each

[viral wolf]

ah, interesting

[scenic dome]

scorn by nycto

watchmaker by imze

i dont actually know if theyre publically posted anywhere

[oak rampart]

so, mark tech: I do want to bring it back, but definitely not in the original form

[scenic dome]

i think sy mightve used it but i dont actually have anything backing this up

[teal hazel]

And is it safe to assume that whatever form it does take, it will also be on the script tool template, when that is ready for release?

[oak rampart]

yep

[teal hazel]

Cool. I kinda wanna make a mark tech character, but dont feel like I could make a high quality one without a visual example to play with

[void pike]

don't forget Sy

[void pike]

Yep! Made a Fabled that's smth like "A character on the script is marked with 🔫. If they're in play, an extra outsider is."

[gleaming agate]

Hiiiiiiiiii

[scenic dome]

i included sy just didn't know which thing had it

[scenic dome]

oh yeah outlaw right

outlaw marked ritualist is the funny part of tmp2

[blissful spindle]

I just ran 2 games of Upon a Scaled Wind which was fantastic

Just wanna ask though, how are amnesiac and miasma intended to interact

With amnesiac hot/cold guessees

[somber anvil]

The same way Vortox and Amnesiac interact, presumably. Either it’s messed up, or you just hb that it doesn’t affect guesses

[blissful spindle]

Ye I confirmed that how it should work

[split oasis]

You can bake in “Your guesses yield true info” to the Amnes ability by default

If you want

[teal hazel]

“Your next line is: En grade!” Spelling mistake : )

Should be "En Garde". Unless Joseph Joestar the Duelist doesn't know ho to spel. Like me : )

[oak rampart]

i misspelt it by accident but decided to keep it because it was funny

[gloomy lance]

A mere slip of the tongue, probably

[half tide]

Literally JoJo reference

+10 social credit

[teal hazel]

Oh i guess while I'm here, what even is Au'wre flavor text? Like I know that cant be a Cipher from grandmaster. Is it just cool symbols to represent evil finding each other? Or did I miss something?

[oak rampart]

that is a cuneiform transcription of the words "Lonely God" into ancient sumerian

[muted ice]

Niiiiice

Cuneiform is slept on

People always hype up hieroglyphics

But the realest ancient writing system is cuneiform

[oak rampart]

more specifically it is LO - NE - RI GA - ED, because sumerian lacks the sounds to say it directly

[teal hazel]

And I assume Wight is also something? (Tried google translate but didnt get anything)

[oak rampart]

that is the opening to the original old-english of Beowulf

[blissful spindle]

That's fair. However, Amnesiac can use any weird answers to their questions to figure out Miasma

unlike amne vortox where they will constantly be on the wrong track

[void pike]

Yeah, actually, I think Amni learning false info from Miasma is a buff to amni

Bc even if you can't solve your actual ability, you can still be a really tight Miasma solver

[blissful spindle]

it was in one game i ran

amne got bingo d1

and solved it was a sallow game

still got executed tho

[tough ermine]

"Does my ability cause exactly myself to lose the game if I construct a Plutonium (I) Oxide powered radiothermalisotope generator in the centre of the town square using naught but deceased rats?"
"Very warm"

You might work out that its vortox

[viral wolf]

plot twist: your ability is "If you construct a Plutonium Oxide powered radiothermalisotope generator in the centre of the town square using nothing but dead rats, you lose."

[split oasis]

That’s sick

[split oasis]

It already looked sick when I saw it

Didn’t know it meant something though

[split oasis]

I equate this to saying that an Investigator can figure out Vortox if they figure out their info is wrong

Is it technically true? Yes

Is it still a feelsbad that nets you relatively little value when it does happen? Also yes

Also it’s not realistic in all scenarios

[blissful spindle]

that's kinda false equivilence

[split oasis]

If the Amnesiac does a Miasma check

[blissful spindle]

you're comparing a you start knowing withs oemeon who gets information every night

in a script where no one dies each night

[split oasis]

Sorry was there a script that this was referring to

[blissful spindle]

I think thats at the very least a bit strange

[split oasis]

Didn’t know if there was

[blissful spindle]

Yes, I was talking about Upon a Scaled Wind

The teensy

[void pike]

It's a lot easier to solve if your ability is doing something explicitly different from what you're being told than investigator finding they have false info

[split oasis]

I see

My bad then

[blissful spindle]

With amnesiac and auwre and miasma

[split oasis]

I was just considering the interaction in a vacuum

[blissful spindle]

but

sure

[void pike]

Especially with one specific answer being wrong

[split oasis]

200iq town

[sharp coral]

they didn't read the ability...

[split oasis]

Also

RAW

Shouldn’t the Au’Wre only announce its curse to good players, not evil ones

I know it’s shortened just for brevity, but that’s interesting to consider

Having to wake every good player up individually and tell them the Au’Wre has been unleashed

[viral wolf]

TRUE

[half tide]

Why is it raw

[elfin quest]

rules as written

[sharp coral]

I prefer my Au'Wre well done

[gleaming agate]

RAW token text is a shorthand for almanac

[void pike]

I love when Summoner ends the game immediately

[split oasis]

I think in general Au’Wre is what I would consider weak

It’s definitely weaker than Ketos

I feel as if lack of sufficient evil coordination damns it most of the time

Maybe it would be better if it could guess, but not proc, on N1?

[gloomy lance]

By a… very strict reading yes
Obviously this is not the intent

[split oasis]

I’m tempted to post some of my remade flavor

Eh, I’ll do it in the other thread

[split oasis]

Then again Ketos is weird

Ketos is really good at what it does, but is fragile outside of that

Good just has to play the game without truthfully claiming

But otherwise, they have six shots to kill the demon and zero night deaths

I remember suggesting a rework once

Ketos (Demon)
After day 5, all other players die. Each night*, choose an alive player and a good character: if correct, the end comes one day sooner.

Could serve to make it more dynamic

@oak rampart question: was an each day variant of Astronomer ever playtested

[fresh terrace]

isnt this just reducing it down by an extra day?

[oak rampart]

astrnomer, and no, i did not playtest it like that. the reasoning being quite simple: it would be absolute hell to think of upwards of 5 interesting decisions every day. but ic an guarantee you that you've made at least one interesting storytelling decision every game

[split oasis]

Oh, so what Amelia joked about is right

Uh, fair? I still think each day works better kinda lol, I might just homebrew that and see if it works since I wouldn’t mind running that

[split oasis]

Why does Astronomer autocorrect to Astrologer

I must have misspelled it something awful

[oak rampart]

double-homebrew it :)

you can do it, and for text games, it might work! but for real life play i limited myself to what is practical yet still powerful, which is once per game

[split oasis]

Astronomer is quite weak from my experience

It could definitely do with being each day

[oak rampart]

it'll be taken into consideration when i have time to do a pass of polishing pre-existing characters, alongside adding new ones

[split oasis]

What’s the flavor behind Wight

[teal hazel]

AFAIK, Wight is a term for several potential Old English things, including like evil spirits

The only thing I know about Wights is from D and D, which drain the living and are undead creatures. I doubt that’s the specific influence, but generally speaking, Wight as an evil spirit who directly chases people to drain them makes sense. Certainly distinct flavor wise from Poisoner/Widow

Oh and as mentioned in a response to my question, the flavor text is Beowulf in Old English

[scenic dome]

let me see, this is what i wrote down on my initial draft of the wight icon

it might be a bit unreadable but maybe it helps a bit

[half tide]

Unreadable

[scenic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-gif-10629490676324768918

[gleaming agate]

Are you a doctor/medical student?

[scenic dome]

no i just write like one

fwiw tho it says
vaguely humanoid shape made of broken down rock
torque

[split oasis]

That text color does not make my eyes happy 💀

[scenic dome]

thats

true

[muted ice]

Idk how you can look at dark blue on gray and not just wince

[scenic dome]

its dark blue on violet, just the black and blue making it look gray

here it is on its own

but

i kinda just used the first color i had on hand

i think i did blue bc i had pink to do some drafted shading and green to do something else

[half tide]

Use yellow

(real)

[scenic dome]

couldve very well just done this

[muted ice]

Violet my ass

[scenic dome]

okay sure dark purpur

#514b7f // rgb(81 75 127) // hsl(247, 26%, 40%) if youd rather

[muted ice]

Checks out

[scenic dome]

okay yknow since i gave some explanation im gonna post this full explanation just to prove it isnt a sandwich

kinda fun might do it with some other icons of mine sometime

[royal lynx]

I’m glad my sandwich joke stuck on.

[manic temple]

no, regular ketos can guess anyone, while that version could only guess living players

[split oasis]

It serves to make it less oppressive

As executed players can truthfully claim

[cobalt wolf]

where do I see the list of abilities for this btw

[oak rampart]

it's in the pins

[tough ermine]

@oak rampart Doesn't Penitent need a riot jinx?

Otherwise you get 4-8 kpn?

Oh and also there's a typo in the Spice trader-OG jinx

"id": "organgrinder",
"reason": "f players eyes were closed during nominations, the Spice Trader learns which player received the most evil votes & how many they received."

[split oasis]

Penitent only gives the option to one Riot

Due to the wording of the ability (“the Demon”, not “Demons” or “all Demons”)

[tough ermine]

Aha, thanks!

[tepid totem]

Gave +1 Thanks to @split oasis (current: #422 - 56)

[tough ermine]

            "reason": "Au’Wre guesses on the first night, but its guesses go through 1 night later. If they guess correctly, the Duelist learns this, otherwise the Duelist learns nothing."

Fencer-Au'Wre jinx says duelist

[oak rampart]

oh that will be fixed

that's an old name

[tough ermine]

Also I just realised I forgot just how Au'Wre works so I need to rework a jinx

[gleaming agate]

Oh, whoops, good catch, thanks

[tepid totem]

Gave +1 Thanks to @tough ermine (current: #1296 - 4)

[tough ermine]

This is also missing an I

[gleaming agate]

Yep, will fix

[split oasis]

@oak rampart here’s a question: what was the thought process behind designing Firebrand?

To me it’s always stuck out as an oddball role that has a lot of quirks, but no distinct niche outside of encouraging early action

Its much easier to proc than a RK and it can self execute, all while doing essentially the same thing

So it’s no doubt strong

But is there a point to it or putting it on scripts

Most of the time you just have the Firebrand nominate the person town wants to kill anyway

Since the “even if dead” really does carry the ability

[oak rampart]

i do have thoughts but i'll talk about them in a bit, i'm currently absorbing a new album

okay so: very simply, what Firebrand is meant to do is that it's a simple information character that fits in a lot of places that's really helpful if you want to encourage the good team to play more aggressively

it lacks direct synergy but i find that it plays well in some scripts and not so well on others more to do with what kind of atmosphere you want to create during the day

[split oasis]

So it really is that simple

See, Firebrand feels too simple for my liking

Its play pattern is just

Out firebrand

Town tells you who to nominate

You do it and get info

It doesn’t feel proactive to me at all

And evil has little counterplay to such a strategy

[void pike]

The sources of poison on the script:

[oak rampart]

i'd challenge the fact that you tell the Firebrand who to nominate

[void pike]

It also gets real narsty with madness, Gob, Harpy, a lot of stuff can get in it's way

[oak rampart]

first execution, you rarely have that kind of consensus in my experience

[void pike]

Including plain and simple getting misled or being an evil player bluffing

[oak rampart]

and if there is that kind of consensus, then, uh. i don't like pulling this card, but why the hell is your storyteller allowing the kind of group that loves to quarterback nominations?

[split oasis]

See this is the issue though

Firebrand is an all or nothing role

If you put something like a Poisoner in the script

Every Firebrand ever is going to be countered without flaw

[split oasis]

I mean most of the time it is just Firebrand either self nomming or nomming someone the group has found sus anyway

[marsh rune]

Firebrand self nom???

[void pike]

Not unless you get the Poisoner, or there isn't one in play

[marsh rune]

That feels. Pointless

[void pike]

And getting screwy info can be pretty powerful info

[split oasis]

You still get information

And a Minion is very unlikely to do it

[void pike]

I mean, if they self nom they deny themselves and town a chance to strike the demon

Might work depending on context, but seems very risky to be the "always do this" play

And if you don't like that strat then just put Boomdandy in your Firebrand script. Snuffs that play out real fast

[oak rampart]

i do not consider the firebrand power worth a wasted execution

[oak rampart]

oh, sure, a Minion with an expendable power like Baron, Esper, Spy, etc. is never going to claim firebrand, self-nominate, and then use that credit to do whatever they want

normally i don't like citing WIFOM but the reason the Firebrand's information is that strong is because it's balanced out by being an extremely strong bluff, becasue it excuses a lot of behaviour that's otherwise evil-sided

[split oasis]

Hmm

[void pike]

The Esper should never tell their demon what character they'll claim to have seen

That'd be heinous

[split oasis]

I still feel as if nominations aren’t really linked to a player as much as people assume they are

[oak rampart]

in my experience they are absolutely linked like that

[split oasis]

YMMV then

Most of the time group consensus controls who’s nominated for me

And whoever does it is just a formality

[scenic dome]

...really?

never have i actually had that before like, final 2 days

[oak rampart]

that seems like a huge problem

generally, in allmost every example i've seen, nominations are a place of pretty open and lively debate

[split oasis]

Maybe Firebrand works better there

It seems too easy to optimize though

Which promotes these sorts of playstyles

[oak rampart]

i would consider this sort of playstyle decidedly unoptimal

letting a particularly silver-tongued evil player have an easy inroad to control the entire conversation seems disastrously bad

and it's not something i've ever seen the Firebrand encourage

[muted ice]

^^^ especially when there's stuff screwing with nominations like a possible witch or other homebrew minions/demons

[split oasis]

I just realized

Grandmaster is to Pacifist what Empath is to Tea Lady

[void pike]

Kinda, yeah

GM can learn good players who are detrimental in ways that may be critical to the game, which pacifist kinda can't

[split oasis]

Ketos doodle

[split oasis]

Might do Au’Wre next

[vast wyvern]

For weaver, is learning the half of the Cryptid ability count as weaving the Cryptid and the player who learned the second half?

Same with Visionary

[oak rampart]

yep for both

[vast wyvern]

Nice!

[viral wolf]

the discussion on teensies in general has given me a horrible idea

Race to the Bottom +Terminus

[left merlin]

courtier cries in a corner

[vast wyvern]

Weaver, Librarian, Steward, Steeplejack, Noble, Shugenja
Mutant, Recluse
Cryptid, Visionary
Vortox, Terminus
Sentinel

Sorry
didn't mean to ping

[half tide]

Don't understand shut

Shit

Tbf

But looks cool ig

This is face right?

Like red eye

And his mouth is ope

Like he's laughing

Oh and he has a moustache

If you rotate it 45°

This guy is smiling

[tough ermine]

Be Me
Visionary
Given the question "Who is the damsel?, get given a damsel ping
Day 2, get my fellow minion to damsel guess someone at random
"Haha, you missed! I'm the damsel"

[viral wolf]

silly damsel

clearly when you heard the visionary ping you should have locked yourself up forever and become a

[tough ermine]

(This is a hypothetical not a real play)

[half tide]

Be me
Absolut (everyone but 1 person gets false info and evils have to guess them)
Day 2, someone says "I got counter clockwise so Eddy is evil".

[viral wolf]

it was day 1 actually

[half tide]

Oh

[split oasis]

It actually has no face

The idea was that it’s a monster from the depths that builds itself using mortal creations

Hence why it has so many other TBA icons fused to it

[half tide]

Looks like a face

[split oasis]

Those are the Grandmaster and Surgeon icons

[half tide]

Nuclear weapon?

Or smth

[split oasis]

Archivist tome

[half tide]

I see ☢️

[split oasis]

It’s a seal of containment

[half tide]

Hm

[split oasis]

Not nuclear

[half tide]

Just send a nuclear bomb

To the demon

And it's dealt wirh

With

I mean

Still looks cool

[split oasis]

Did the messenger not out the question 💀

Also this is why you don’t out immediately as after a missed kidnapping

Demons can do this too

[half tide]

Me accidentally ending the game by jokingly guessing damsel as recluse;

[split oasis]

If you zoom out

That’s the Cardinal cross hung on a spike

[turbid tundra]

Inysyns' jinx with Witch/Psychopath:
During the Day of Judgement, they are safe from the Witch/Psychopath.

Does "they" refer to the Inysyns?

[oak rampart]

it does, yes

[obsidian pivot]

the firebrand goblin interaction is pretty awesome

[lunar wedge]

boop

[split oasis]

@oak rampart in regards to Weaver, out of which of these following situations would be legal?

• Chef learns a 0; Weaver learns the Chef and an evil player with no evil neighbors.
• General learns a slightly evil; Weaver learns the General and the Poisoner who sniped the Investigator.
• Shugenja learns nearest evil is Counterclockwise (with them being 3 steps away); Weaver learns the Shugenja and the good player to their direct left.
• A Minion is pranked; Weaver learns the Minion and the Prankster.

Also I’m not sure if you can answer this but would this also count

[oak rampart]

i will answer in a bit

currently recovering from doing some serious historical workthis morning

[split oasis]

• The Tactician chooses the poisoned Sage and the Spice Trader and learns the Sage; that night, the Pit Hag creates an evil Weaver, who sees the Tactician and the Poisoner who poisoned the Sage.

[dreamy cliff]

id say no for the general

bc it’s about the game state as a whole and not an individual

[split oasis]

In another note
I like Weaver a lot

But I wish it wasn’t a start knowing

As a OPG it has so much more potential

I feel as if it was only made start knowing to interact with Steeplejack

[scenic dome]

im pretty sure it was made for equinox which is why its a ysk

[split oasis]

No clue what that is

[scenic dome]

really?
https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1162843238042972263

[split oasis]

So it’s a GoS like script

[gloomy lance]

This is a no
The tactician nor the poisoner have learned anything about each other

[split oasis]

A reasonable answer

But you could make the argument that the Tactician learned who the Poisoner targeted through their info

I’m just testing to see how far reaching Weaver info can get

[gloomy lance]

Anyway to do my ~best to answer the rest of those

[gloomy lance]

1. Yes.
2. This is sketchy. The General is learning about the Storyteller’s opinion of the gamestate as a whole, so I can see an argument in either direction.
3. No. You’d have to weave the shugenja and the relevant evil player, since that’s the player the shugenja is learning something true about.
4. Yes, with similar reasoning to the Cryptid and Visionary examples above.

[oak rampart]

yeah i'd say

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. Yes

[muted ice]

W I was gambling on what the answers would be and I only got number 2 wrong

[gleaming agate]

Note that prankster scenario would require weaver to come into existence after n1

[obsidian pivot]

Script building around weaver is interesting because it's a 1st night

[dreamy cliff]

true

[obsidian pivot]

The legion interaction is quite good I think?

[dreamy cliff]

oh yeah it’s great

[split oasis]

It catches two Legion if you’re lucky

[split oasis]

Does Prankster not act on N1

Wow

It’s much worse than Preacher than

[gleaming agate]

Prankster's effect persists even when Prankster is poisoned or dead

[split oasis]

I’m aware

That niche utility is not worth the loss of pure diminishment

Replacing minion abilities with the old Vizier one results in a very minor loss for evil when they’re hit relative to Preacher

And you’re not guaranteed to do it

Nor do you learn reliable info from it

Preacher is already a weak townsfolk

[gleaming agate]

Permanently and irrecoverably screwing up a minion once every 5.5 games is rather unfun for the same reason Engineer being able to use their ability n1 is unfun.

[split oasis]

This is worse in most scenarios

[split oasis]

This doesn’t justify it being weak

If you’re going to make it not act N1

At least give it a better effect or speedier choices to compensate

[gleaming agate]

Better effect than "permanently and irrecoverably disable a minion ability"?

[split oasis]

Reminder that the old Vizier ability is still a formidable one to face

It sucks relative to other Minion abilities, but not by much in the grand scheme of things

Most Minions possess early game utility, not late

Prankster is too slow to stop a lot of their damage

[gleaming agate]

Then build a script with minions that provide late game utility

[split oasis]

With what minions

Psychopath?

There’s very few minions that fit your description there im afraid

[gleaming agate]

Scarlet Woman, Cerenovus, Devil's Advocate, Mastermind, potentially Cryptid, just to name a few

Goblin/Boomdandy have tension with Preacher/Prankster

[split oasis]

You have to evaluate if the permanent downgrading of these abilities is worth more than the temporary disabling of them

Realistically speaking I don’t see Prankster ever surpassing Preacher’s floor unless both are explicitly slated to die early

[gleaming agate]

Depends on player count tbh.

[split oasis]

Which rarely happens

[gleaming agate]

On higher level counts, prankster would be better

[split oasis]

On higher player counts, the ability given to pranked Minions is also better.

If the ability given was worse

And not just a weak Minion ability

Prankster would be fine

Say something like “choose a player, you learn their character”

Or just “you have a not in play Townsfolk ability”

Would keep the interactivity while also removing Prankster’s general utility towards evil

Giving the Demon info in exchange for power nets your overall utility at a dissatisfying low level

Since evil still gets a pretty significant something even if you do your job

That’s my issue with it

[oak rampart]

for what it's worth, Temp, I do already have ideas for Prankster changes in the works, i just really want to test them first before releasing them, and that'll be in a few months

[remote widget]

Not really, and permanently getting an ability out is generally better. It makes you a lot less of a loss. And your info doesn't become kinda useless immediately. Sw for example. You die after 6 players, then you exe a player you belive to be evil the next day. In the preacher case the sw could've caught it from anywhere. In this case that wouldn't be the case and youd have a few players you wouldn't want to go for?

Isn't it's point to be a solving tool

That allows you to build worlds even when dead

The ability it gives doesn't really matter then in the grand scheme of things

[muted ice]

Let's gooooo

We're so back

[half tide]

"We are so back!"
February 2025:

[split oasis]

It kind of does when the fact of the ability is that it harms good

[void pike]

I mean, the Prank ability is like, almost always weaker than a minion ability. Info for the evil team (on most scripts) sucks, and sucks even worse late game bc it's mostly stuff they already know

This can be especially bad with minions like Spy, who rely a lot on their ability, and know a lot already

(similar arguements go for characters like Cero, Pithag, Poisoner, Harpy, Cryptid, Vis...Really most minions getting permanently shut down isn't all that helpful)

Practically speaking, the most an evil player is going to get out of being Pranked is getting very minor communication with the evil team (using Pranks to signal who the demon should kill), finding a Mutant or Politician (or Damsel, but don't put Prankster on Damsel scripts), or like...finding info they're often just gonna know anyway

The Pranks staying after the Prankster's death is genuinely so nasty for the evil team, that unless you have like, specifically an Undertaker bluff or smth, or you've built the script specifically so Prankster screws over the good team through Damsel, Heretic, or Choirboy, it's just not gonna be worse than Preacher imo

[gleaming agate]

Basically what Baked said

[void pike]

also iirc, I don't think minions who only choose a player each night (Witch, Poisoner...some Cryptids...Godfather depending on context) know they've been pranked

depending on how the evil team is communicating it might take the minion a few nights before they start using the Prank ability optimally

[devout sandal]

Can Inysyns just attack themselves the night before Judgement day to win instantly or does that not work

[oak rampart]

the day of judgement effect lasts from dawn til dusk; it's not dawn if they die in the night

[devout sandal]

Ah okie that makes sense, does dawn only count as having begun after everyone who died in the night is announced dead and such?

[oak rampart]

dawn is when the day actually begins

[viral wolf]

elluna already said this but yeah the ability text specifies "from dawn to dusk"

[devout sandal]

alr thank you ^_^

[tepid totem]

Gave +1 Thanks to @oak rampart (current: #938 - 10)

[devout sandal]

ya but I am like totally a morning person so morning for me dawn is when it is still dark af and maybe the Demon did it then 🤔 (joke)

[oak rampart]

Minor Update

• New Esper/Damsel Jinx - If the Esper is (or has been) in play, the Damsel is poisoned.
• • For parity with the official release.

[gleaming agate]

Official Bootleggers Anthology Update from the Bootlegger's Anthology Official Technical Support Person!
v.1.0.3 - Every change is in some way a release.

• Changed Jinxes for parity with official release
• • Esper/Damsel jinx now reads: "If the Esper is (or has been) in play, the Damsel is poisoned."
• • Added Cardinal/Pit-Hag and Deserter/Pit-Hag jinxes. They read: "If the Pit-Hag turns an evil player into the Cardinal/Deserter, they can't turn good due to their own ability."
• Fixed some typos (thanks @tough ermine)
• • Fencer/Au'Wre Jinx now correctly says the Fencer's name
• • Spice Trader/Organ Grinder jinx no longer has a missing letter at the start
• Changed Cardinal's ability to clarify the way it works
• • It now reads: "If nominated, tonight (even if dead), you become the alignment opposite to whoever nominated you.",
• • • Note that it is not a functional change. The Cardinal was already functioning this way, as per almanac.
      https://github.com/SansCipher/bootlegger

[split oasis]

It’s called the Day of Judgement for a reason

Not the Day and Night of Judgement

[viral wolf]

I think I traumatised the players this game is still being referred to over a month later

[sharp coral]

I wonder why

[scenic dome]

i think that nothing could ever go wrong with such an obscrul i dont see why theyre traumatized

[oak rampart]

#speculation-and-spoilers message re: this post. by the way this is why Ketos's icon is a boat

[dreamy cliff]

bc as we all know

Ketos is a boats demon

💀

[teal hazel]

As in the "kill everyone" part being connected to the boat connected to the timer. Named after a Greek sea monster, but born as the "everyne explodes on a boat" timer Demon

[oak rampart]

yep!

[gloomy lance]

wait actually
thats so funny

[muted ice]

Lmao

[marsh rune]

WAIT

LMAOOO

[half tide]

This guy skipped the day when one of the only good players was not on when they were nommed

I'm traumatized

[blissful spindle]

Just ran an amnesiac of

[left merlin]

(this is the TBA channel?)

[fleet python]

sir… this is a Wendy’s

[teal hazel]

Did you mean Sleepwalker?

Or is this just a mistake?

[half tide]

Trouble Brewing Anticipation

TBA

[blissful spindle]

Wrong channel

There was a channel I'm part of of amnesiac abilities

But I always lose it

[half tide]

All amne design?

[blissful spindle]

No

The opposite actually

Non all amnesiac design

Its like the savant statements channel

[radiant yoke]

this collection is absolutely wonderful! the abilities, the artwork, even down to the tips and tricks in the almanac, real quality stuff

i'm definitely considering printing these for myself

are the hd image files available anywhere or will i have to make do?

[viral wolf]

the JSON has Imgur links I believe

[radiant yoke]

drats...

[viral wolf]

oh the old Wight icon was deleted yeah

I would send the new one but it's not on hand

[gleaming agate]

Yeah, check the github json

[viral wolf]

Is there a particular reason why Grandmaster is a consult and not a night ability?

[scenic dome]

talking

i assume?

wait does it learn why

not it doesnt does it

okay then im gonna assume its to be used at any time

[split oasis]

No clue.

Consult roles are inherently more flexible than opg night ones are

Perhaps that's it

[oak rampart]

that is precisely the reason, yeah

i wanted the Grandmaster to be a very social role, and being able to immediately talk to the most important good player felt important for that

it's a holdover from some of my really old work, back before i knew what i was doing, but it turned out it playtested really well like that

[teal hazel]

Was it being tested at the very same time as the first Visionairy?

I think I remember something about that being a consult before being adjusted

[gloomy lance]

i think so yeah

[split oasis]

For evil roles its different

Because they're, well, evil

They can't consult without being suspected

[oak rampart]

yep

[wheat musk]

If memory serves, it used to be "Everyone who consults with the Storyteller on the first day learns the question."
(I say "if memory serves" as though I'm not the reason it's not that anymore.)

[teal hazel]

It is. And technically its "your 1st day", but same difference

[zinc lynx]

Curious to hear how your players have experienced Surgeon

It's narratively wonderful but it's the only character on TBA I find myself disliking a bit from a gameplay perspective

[split oasis]

I don't like Surgeon

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-exit-door-gif-15229894

[obsidian pivot]

I have no strong feelings one way or the other

[oak rampart]

A whistling in the winds.

The Innards of A Thigh
There will be no further clues.

[obsidian pivot]

this is the content I signed up for

[half tide]

Who's that again

[ornate bough]

Twice per game, choose a player: they live if they die, and vice versa. you cannot kill the demon this way.

[void pike]

my favorite character: inner thigh

[split oasis]

Oh no

Don’t tell me Haruspex is being let out

I can’t cope with this

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[muted ice]

That makes sense given the hint

However idk what Haruspex does

[oak rampart]

it is not Haruspex

[muted ice]

Is it a character from the TBA beta with like 50 characters?

[oak rampart]

it is not just one character

[split oasis]

"Once per game, at night, choose a player: a Demon, if chosen, swaps characters with an alive Minion."

It sucked

Lmao

A strictly more inflexible, less useful Slayer

[muted ice]

A little mean, but yeah

[split oasis]

Not sucked from a design level

Just sucked from a power level

The concept had potential

Just not great execution

[teal hazel]

I’ve played a version that’s each night, but I played it as OPG to avoid confusing myself

Because that one could inadvertently undo my hard work

[frozen moon]

ooh an each night haruspex seems interesting

[teal hazel]

Honestly, it’s kinda just stressful. Because you could choose the Demon N1, swap them, and then choose the Minion turned Demon N3. And you’d have to way to know that you moved the Demon back to your original pick

Oh wait I know

[frozen moon]

you can self pick

like snake charmer

[teal hazel]

“Each night, choose a player. The 1st Demon you choose swaps characters with a living Minion”

[teal hazel]

True. I guess it sorta depends on how greedy you are but as long as you know when to fold, it could balance being an each night slayer

Idk

If there’s a good fix, I’m sure Elluna will consider utilizing at some point

[dreamy cliff]

i feel like it’s worth noting that the strength of an each night haruspex is that you know that the player is not the Demon

[blissful spindle]

You only know that the last player is not the demon

You could pick the Demon twice and get back to where you started

Like

I think an each night haruspex has the issue that solving it feels unintuitive and convoluted, at least in theory

[dreamy cliff]

I mean if you don’t want to continue choosing

choose yourself

[teal hazel]

Sorta. You’d have to treat it as SC, where acting too much undoes your info. In that case, it’s more open than SC, but has the same gambling mechanic. I guess that could work but idk

[brittle sky]

Lol

[void pike]

I mean, I feel like you always have the power of like...if there's a player town doesn't trust, but no one's gonna kill them, you can just poke them

I view the strength of it in it's flexibility. Sure switching targets might undo your work previous nights, but that's ok. Having 1 player you're sure isn't the demon can be really strong, and getting to change who that person is can be as well

[tough ermine]

Where would we put TBA characters if they were unreleased official instead of Homebrew?

[oak rampart]

Inysyns on Midnight. This one is Obvious.

[tough ermine]

I'd be inclined to put Visionary on GoS

In fact a lot seem to work well on a GoS-style script

Steeplejack is TT for me

[viral wolf]

Tir do you know what the equinox is 🤭

[tough ermine]

Vaguely

I know its a GoS inspired homebrew script made by elluna using TBA characters (And other homebrew(?))

[dreamy cliff]

nah it’s a monohomebrew

only TBA

[tough ermine]

Gotcha

[obsidian pivot]

Weaver on MHD would make sense to me but it depends on the other roles

[void pike]

ooh I like that call

Obscrul / Archivist feels MHoD

[hearty ferry]

.

[hearty ferry]

@oak rampart can I ask how many games did you do with that script and how they went?

[oak rampart]

i think i did about 5 playtests of the old old version of the script. the newer one has been played a lot more and has been getting pretty much only good reviews

[half tide]

Such an alive discussion

[sharp coral]

But be worry!

[scenic dome]

what the fuck

[half tide]

I had an obscrul game

With obscrul having a long ass ability description

(Archivist had no chance)

[split oasis]

Who let them cook

[sharp coral]

It may or may not eclipse the 150 character limit

[left merlin]

Obscrul ability is The Big Barnacle

[frozen moon]

"if the archivist guesses this ability wrong they lose"

wow very solvable

[somber anvil]

Thoughts on this as an Obscrul?
“Each night, choose two players: on odd nights they are poisoned until dusk, on even nights they die”

[restive root]

for the visionary - do you think a question akin to "who did the nightwatchman (or similar) choose?" would be good?

or alternatively in a sentinel game with unknown modifers, "How many sober and healthy outsiders were there at the start of the first night?" (so if one was drunken or poisoned by any means, permenant or not, they dont count to it)

also for roles like the Wight, when it says "until they are drunk or poisoned" does that mean permenantly? does it go away while they are drunk and return when its gone?

[viral wolf]

the only main issue is that what if the visionary answers "nobody" before the NWM acts

actually NWM can act N1

so it's probably fine

[restive root]

yeah i dont know the night order much but this is under the idea that the nightwatchman already has

[viral wolf]

Visionary acts a long while before Nightwatchman

[restive root]

but that general idea of what did this person choose as the question

[restive root]

yeah im only just reading this now but holy man this is detailed, im impressed, and im def thinking of bootlegging at least the visionary into some games of mine cause i think my group would love having more to do (especially outsiders that dont do shit)

[half tide]

@viral wolf good game

(definitely not joke grim)

[manic temple]

true...

[split oasis]

@oak rampart how does Au'Wre interact with good Minions

The ability text says "guess your Minions", implying that it doesn't have to guess good Minions

But the how to run section implies that its interactions with Minions aren't discriminatory based on alignment

[oak rampart]

do not yet have a decided rulign for this one

[split oasis]

Also, this example is inaccurate

The Au'Wre doesn't learn character type information, so them learning Ben is a Townsfolk isn't something they should know

[oak rampart]

they... fuck that's. not what it's supposed to imply

im just not going to reply further for a bit im way too anxious to do questions right now. i'm terribly sorry

[split oasis]

That's fine

[lucid osprey]

Is the Firebrand supposed to be able to self-nom to activate their ability?

[void pike]

Yep

[muted ice]

Yes and that's why I low-key don't like it

[void pike]

I'm fairly sure anyway. It's something Elluna knows about and is fine with

[muted ice]

It feels like it's always the optimal play to me

[void pike]

I disagree

[muted ice]

Like yeah if you tell that person what their character is if they didn't claim, they trust you

And you're more likely to be executed

[void pike]

You give up a day of demon hunting when you don't need to

[muted ice]

But I feel like it's way easier to get the execution off barring BD-likes

[marsh rune]

it is strictly not the optimal play lol

[void pike]

Firebrand is already pretty likely to get their ping off. At worst their evil wasting the first day, and town will usually agree on who to bomb

[muted ice]

If town is always executing the first nomination on a fire brand script then evil will be getting more value out of that ability than good (considering the sum of all games with that script)

I find it rare that the town can all agree on just one execution day 1

Temporary's group apparently can, but I've never seen that in my games or any YouTube games

[void pike]

If evil is always bluffing Firebrand, that is a very predictable evil team

[muted ice]

I'm not saying they have to bluff it

[void pike]

Why would you follow the Firebrand shot of someone who isn't the Firebrand?

[muted ice]

Someone has gotta nominate first if there's not FB claim

No* FB claim

[void pike]

Oh true, but if there's no FB you just play first day as usual

The FB doesn't need to be the first nom

[muted ice]

Yeah sorry I mispoke

Yeah the more I think about it I guess it's fine

Thank you for talking about it

[tough ermine]

If Elluna wants this gone, that's fine, but I was bored earlier today

https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/Tir-Far-Thoinn/TheBewtleggersAnthology/almanac.html

Bewhold, The Bewtleggers Anthology

[oak rampart]

oh no it's hillarious

[tough ermine]

<3

Thanks, I wasn't sure so I put the disclaimer in case

[obsidian pivot]

ah so spicy is sober if they learn a 0, since 0 isn't a number

:)

[fleet python]

0 is a number because it's an integer :)

[elfin quest]

awful. awful. cursed

[fleet python]

:)

[vast pond]

global hero would probably be good on a script where evil has incentive to kill one another (vigormortis) or does not learn eachother (poppygrower)

granted good as in functional on a script
it’s a worse investigator

[teal hazel]

Parkster is strong & wins if they hit the Demon + confirming themselves to player

[limber vapor]

@oak rampart Do you have any new game status, travellers and fabled in your design?

[dreamy cliff]

wdym by new game status?

[sharp coral]

I'd assume something like droisoned, but with a different effect

[dreamy cliff]

fair ig

[oak rampart]

i do have new travellers and fabled planned, but nothing on the first one

[limber vapor]

Excuse me, what's wdym????

[half tide]

What do you mean

[vast pond]

what do you mean wdym?

[viral wolf]

it literally means "what do you mean" if you're confused

[limber vapor]

Like "Insanity" in Archives of Insanity, "bloody" in Ides of Blood and so on.

[viral wolf]

interesting

maybe I should try something like that at some point

[split oasis]

New statuses are messy

All my new statuses are confined to a specific role for a reason

[teal hazel]

do any of your releases have a new status?

i dont think so...

[split oasis]

All of my Minions technically do

Witness, Follower, & Engraved, respectively

For something to be considered a status, though, it needs to be something used by more than one role

Hence why I don’t consider those “real” statuses

[dreamy cliff]

Yeah i personally don’t like new statuses

i think they impair scriptability

[muted ice]

I agree

It's not like some video games where new statuses are key to developing new gameplay patterns

I think [wandering] is cool for the Alice in Wonderland Homebrew Script, but realistically that doesn't need to be a keyword, it just is because of clarity/ease of understanding on the script; you could utilize the same effect on a solo character elsewhere without that wording

And hell, people have

[frozen moon]

“new keyword” is a better term than new status

its more general

[limber vapor]

How do that keywords work?

I have no idea about them. 🤔

[half tide]

New keyword is calm

Can't wait to be calm about being a goblin

[vast wyvern]

Calm is not about claiming anything

It's just being chill

[sharp coral]

New keyword is clam

If affected by this keyword, you must walk into the sea

[vast wyvern]

Wait until I tell you the homebrew character that goes great with this

[half tide]

I'm waiting

[vast wyvern]

Nice to meet you waiting
I'm Frank

[viral wolf]

we need another person to name the HHR sequel after

[split oasis]

They're words that define a specific trait of the game

I have a few new keywords

"Aspect", for example, is used by 2 of my released characters and 2 unreleased ones

[devout sandal]

Wuzzat do

[split oasis]

"Aspect" refers to a certain part of an ability that defines its functionality

Whether that be targeting restrictions, when its performed, its effect, or who it can effect

[remote widget]

Which?

[viral wolf]

Renegade's one of them

I remember suggesting "significant word" when Temp was trying to figure out how to word Renegade and then he came up with aspect

[split oasis]

Renegade

Shinobi interacts with it implicitly but doesn’t include it in wording

[frozen moon]

i do feel like trying to deliberately make a new keyword… doesnt really go so well

because like

in order for something to be a Keyword it needs to be both complicated enough for there to be a reason to not just spell it out with normal words, and also useful enough for you to want to actually use it

and like. thats not really something you can Force with good results

[scenic dome]

yeah personally i think droison and madness r good keywords but making more is unnecessary

[half tide]

What about calm?

[scenic dome]

bestest keyword fr

[half tide]

Anyways

You are now calm that Obscrul is in play

[sharp coral]

I believe an Obscrul may or may not be in play. I have no strong feelings either way.

[hearty ferry]

@oak rampart how does cawthorne choosing usually resolve

[oak rampart]

i'm uncertain what question you're trying to ask here

because if it's just "How does it work", you can just check the almanac

[hearty ferry]

nvm