secret thing

[uneven field]

I'm neurodivergent and I study sociology

and I'm in politics

[low umbra]

Though, while I loved the mechanical side of the game at first from just reading the wiki, I’ve repeatedly found ways to love the game even more since

[uneven field]

absolutely

I also used to regularly play mafia back when I had friends, so the concept was intuitive

[sharp violet]

Had played Town of Salem for a while, came across NRB then their BotC videos in early 2023 and loved it

[foggy grotto]

99% of whalebuffet games

[coarse fern]

I drew the golem token

That was cool

[low umbra]

‘Back when I had friends’ what happened, everyone started hating each other cause of mafia? :p

[uneven field]

one moved away to Australia, one cut contact with us to focus on university, and one metaphorically plunged a shard of broken ceramic deep enough into my heart that I got an eating disorder about it

[jovial ingot]

bluffing Slayer. I assumed that I'd be outed evil when I used the ability as the ST would simply go "no you can't do that" but I was a Minion so I just took what my Demon told me to bluff so I had little choice. Eventually I was under alot of pressure and had to shoot. When the ST fully entertained my claim, and went along with it as if I really was the slayer, this convinced me the game was something special

This was my first game

I was the ending Imp and we lost to Mayor

[grizzled marsh]

After watching my first NRB video ("a royal blunder")

[naive flame]

NRB

I watched their TB and from the time they did The Christmas one...and from there I been watching their BOTC Stuff!

And fell in love with it.

[naive flame]

LMAO

[fallow rapids]

i often played mafia and similar social deduction games and when i saw BOTC on NRB i thought it was cool enough that i spent bona fide money on it to play with my friendgroup

i only really fell in love with it after i Storytold a few TB games

there's just something really cool about playing along with the evil team and giving just enough misinformation to make the game interesting

[cyan reef]

after having played in person in 2019 a couple of times and having a so-so but kind of forgettable experience (both games were BMR without much in the way of explanation 😛 ), I played online in 2020 in our online Werewolf group, played via Zoom and the old bra1n tool

was the Imp, bluffed as the Monk whose ability didn't work so must be the the Drunk, skated by the entire game until the final day when, after I had already been nominated, I slipped up but it was too late by then

I felt high off that for like a week, lol...it completely ruined Werewolf for me

(this game is still on YouTube 😄 )

[fallow rapids]

breaking news: literally all social deduction game developers have bankrupted because "it's not BOTC"

[grizzled marsh]

-# Same but the "wiki" given while watching a BOTC live was actually the script sheet and therefore didn't made me investigate more for a couple of months 😭

[fallow rapids]

this is the best answer

reading the wiki was my favourite pastime when i was learning the game

[cyan reef]

that reminds me that I remember finding the Script Tool really early on, and at the time I was really into Ultimate Werewolf and into not just all the "official" roles but the many other things people came up with on their own, we had entire spreadsheets for that kind of thing, so BotC seemed cool with how many characters there were

I can't remember if that was after or before I originally played in person

probably after

[grizzled marsh]

Every social deduction games can be made 10x better just by having 100 characters instead of 20

[cyan reef]

I do still love me some One Night Ultimate Werewolf, and a game like Deception: Murder in Hong Kong is great

[fallow rapids]

have you seen Massacards

[grizzled marsh]

How many characters?

[fallow rapids]

200

[naive flame]

What Game is that

Holy

That's so many

its more than Tos2 and Tos1 characters combined

[fallow rapids]

it's also significantly more than BOTC

[naive flame]

True

[fallow rapids]

and there's no travellers and fabled here to bump up the number

actually i think this would be a cool homebrew idea but Massacards plays incredibly differently from BOTC

i'll think about it

[lucid crag]

me playing a fun new hidden role game: 🥳
me when the role I get is "deity of depression":

[low umbra]

That is actually what I keep saying whenever my friend group plays another social deduction game LOL

I literally can’t play a social deduction game unless I’m expecting to have a unique impact in the game in some way. Mega cringe imo to have a couple characters and half of them are ‘you are good’

[fallow rapids]

in botc terms, it's ability is:

When you learn that you die, publicly choose a player: you win only if that player loses.

[cyan reef]

this is why I recommend some social deduction games outside of the Werewolf-style

[fallow rapids]

fun fact: in Massacards, each role has 3 quotes

this makes it three times better than botc flavour

it also has like. a ridiculous amount of lore

one quote is from the character, one quote is from the evil gamemaster, one quote is from Literally God

[low umbra]

Is massacards interesting to actually play?

[fallow rapids]

yea

[lucid crag]

I made a social deduction of my own that was basically "everyone in this room will die unless you all choose one person to sacrifice, you also all have a card that might kill others or yourself if you vote poorly/get voted"

[fallow rapids]

it's very different than BOTC but i think a good amount of people who like botc can like Massacards

whats more impressive is that Massacards is basically a solo project

[lost thistle]

did they release that one role that they kept not releasing and the server had a dedicated number emote for
57 i think? i forgot the number

[cyan reef]

I'm intrigued

[low umbra]

I mean TB was pretty much a solo project

[fallow rapids]

200 roles of solo project

[lucid crag]

200 roles of solo project is very very doable

[fallow rapids]

Massacards could still use some ironing because yknow. solo project

but it's sweet

[low umbra]

Yes but also making them actually interesting and balanced is hard

[lucid crag]

that's the main problem with homemade games, balance is always wack

[fallow rapids]

massacards (the basic roles) is pretty balanced

the main idea is that it's okay to slowly introduce roles one by one per couple games

botc is definitely not like that and it's something that makes massacards even more impressive to me as a solo project

like

how do they do it .

[lucid crag]

i assume massacard games aren't an hour

the shorter a game the easier introducing new roles is

either that or do the botc approach of introducing 25 at a time

[fallow rapids]

iirc the game is for 3-5 players

oh no

i lied

it can go up to 13

hey wait a minute...

[lucid crag]

that's not the answer I expected to "how long are the games"

lol

[fallow rapids]

pretty similar to botc i think?

like it's got a night phase and everything

[lucid crag]

if it's 1 death per day and night, it's faster

if not well

idk

[fallow rapids]

1 death per night

[low umbra]

So it’s slower unless there’s less discussion time during each day/night cycle?

[fallow rapids]

sorry

2 deaths

one is goodsided one is evil

[low umbra]

The fact it supports smaller player counts is cool

[fallow rapids]

there are 3 roles guaranteed to be in play in every game

one is Goodsided Killing, one is Evilsided killing, and one is. Damsel but they know the Killer

oh cool

each ability can be done in counts to 5

oh yeah btw Massacards is not released yet though all the roles and mechanics are done

i think they're just in manufacturing processes rn

pretty sick

[lucid crag]

seems to be no video evidence of the game actually being played

which is unfortunate given I have several questions

[fallow rapids]

it's in its infacy basically

though i do agree that if there were videos of gameplay it would be much more known about

[lost thistle]

asking again did they release that last role i forgot the number of
or are there still only 199 revealed

[dense moat]

Dont remeber the deatils, but I saw NRB's first video & watched the playlist non stop. That got me interested enoug to check out this server and the rest is history

[sharp violet]

Still only 199 (number 22 is the one that’s missing)

[lost thistle]

ah
still no 22, damn

[uneven field]

the GM is necessarily evil?

omw to only build evil sided bags (I'm helping my team)

[sharp violet]

gameplay-wise, there is no GM
one of the evil characters is a stronger version of the standard evil killer, and lore-wise they are the GM

[uneven field]

a social deduction game with no GM? crazy

[grizzled marsh]

No questions today?

[dusty thistle]

Nope!

Not yet

[naive flame]

09/27/25

Title: Walmart Lizard

Your taken to a game of BOTC but the has wished to give you the opportunity to turn your favouritee character's flavour ability to something else, what would it be?
-# and of course, someone must have to give it's drawback or hint, and no wincons, breaking game abilities..just pure abilities for fun and anarchy(or easier solve)

[grizzled marsh]

"When the game ends, bet on the winning team. If correct, you win."

Even if dead*

[dusty thistle]

"All players keep their eyes closed at night and night actions are secret. Each night, choose if you are drunk or not."

please let there be a wraith, please let there be a wraith, please let there be a wraith

[warped urchin]

This just picks the alignment they arent no?

If good and picks evil, and evil wins you win as well

If good and pick evil, good wins you win anyway?

[grizzled marsh]

If and only if yeah*

[junior knot]

is this not just a Thrower?

like poli but worse?

[grizzled marsh]

Worse for good or worse for itself?

[junior knot]

for good

because you don't have to be responsible

just make the bet

[junior knot]

so its much easier to convince yourself to turn

[lucid crag]

9/27: which botc character besides mayor or politician should be/would be president

[junior knot]

.

[lucid crag]

ah I have alex/louis ignored

sorry

[naive flame]

you hate me :(

[dense moat]

they may be evil, but if you can convicne them to value thir nation & people, they'll be so effective

also probably has a good work ethic and isnt corrupt, so thats a good choice

Depends on whether they publicly respect freedom of religion. If they do, they can probably do everythintg perfectly. If not, I'm not voting for their theocracy

[junior knot]

So Latveria coded

[dense moat]

Thats like Dr. Doom's place, right?

[junior knot]

yup

[dense moat]

Depends on who their vice president is :)

[junior knot]

dont let em speak too long

[dense moat]

Thinks they are in the race, is actually brought to campaign rallies for , because people trust a parent

Arguably wouldn’t be a good president, but that’s not why she lost the election

||real answer is misogyny 😭 ||

Running a campaign together as candidate and running mate

I leave the rest to your imagination 💀

Top tier pick

[hollow oasis]

Is the election, won by democracy

[dusty thistle]

And yet the ballot count says they got 0 votes. Strange

[hollow oasis]

(One Farmer voted for them)

(They liked the agricultural policy)

and are secretly communist a mutant

[dense moat]

There are Minions I would vote for before them

(unfortunately still has some momentum)

Has a very specific plan to consolidate power if they win

Still needs their campaign manager to tell them to focus on emotional rhetoric over policy

[dense moat]

(alternatively is doing this as a close associate of )

[hollow oasis]

Is joining after their 2 term limit...

hmm...

(They get kicked out immediately)

[dense moat]

Is why there is an election today

[hollow oasis]

is why there won't be an election today

what election?

[dense moat]

Has made their platform about wanting to bomb other countries

(predictably received only 1 vote. From )

Runs on an openly racist and transphobic platform, has so much dirty laundry

[dense moat]

(and is hypocritical on like half his points)

[dusty thistle]

They think they are in control of the campaign but they are not. Their subordinate is using them to take control.

[dense moat]

Wins the popular vote, but is later revealed to be legally ineligible to be president.

Someone else becomes president instead

[low umbra]

Is this not how politician works though?

[dusty thistle]

Nope, you also have to be the person who pushes evil over the top.

With this, the ability is just "you win"

[low umbra]

I know. That’s the joke I’m making. STs quite regularly make the poli win either way cause they were chaotic or something lol

[dusty thistle]

Oh, I didn't realize this was a joke.

[uneven field]

you have got to read one world under doom

[uneven field]

🤞

I'm voting for alsaahir

and it's not just because he's Arab

chill guy, probably has great social policy

[dense moat]

i honestly got the same vibe

[dense moat]

9/28 more of this

which botc character besides mayor or politician should be/would be president

[uneven field]

(it is a little bit because he's Arab)

[dense moat]

no fault. And like, you know that Baron doesnt deserve anwhere near the votes he's gettin

[uneven field]

not to be all woke DEI on you but minorities are more qualified to be the president because they're less likely to be soulless fucking sociopaths

[olive marsh]

who the hell is voting for baron

[uneven field]

capitalists

[olive marsh]

they're buying votes 😭

[uneven field]

baron's whole thing is making money

[dense moat]

also you know he's courting bigots

[olive marsh]

fair enough

[uneven field]

baron usually doesn't run, just lobbies, but he figured his businesses are doing so great that he'll throw in his hat

[olive marsh]

yeah that was my thought

baron feels more behind the scenes

[junior knot]

i mean once hes fully bought up all media

[dense moat]

would Godfather be more local or would he be willing to back a presidential candidate?

[junior knot]

yk why not run

[uneven field]

baron doesn't believe anything socially, if it was profitable to be pro trans he would be, it's literally just money

[uneven field]

godfather is in small scale local politics

[dense moat]

thats what i thought

good donor though

[uneven field]

mmhm, to a mayoral race

[dense moat]

a genuinely chill guy who wants the best for his people, still gets seen as a pushover

[uneven field]

loyal to a fault

[olive marsh]

working class king

[dense moat]

Seems like the type who wouldn't be nominated as candidate, but would be around during the primaries as a way to get the best deal

Is busy funding ads about how their opponent will bring about the end of the country

[uneven field]

fuck it let's just go over every character, I once went over literally every character in #botc-memes just to describe how gay they are

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-gif-22783914

[dense moat]

also i dont trust mysef to make good political humor

[uneven field]

receipts

[uneven field]

see this is perfect for me because I'm in politics irl

going down the list and seeing which ones have something more interesting to say about them

amnesiac has already been elected before

nothing to do with their ability, it's just that generally people in their 70s and above are prone to dementia

banshee has a little bit of what it takes, she's very loud

cannibal has already been elected before

cult leader too

they'd never elect pacifist

goon is godfather's running mate

the drunk is, and I cannot stress this enough, former united states president Andrew Johnson

who, and this is true, gave his vice-presidential inaugural speech for Abraham Lincoln completely shitfaced

you might think snitch is a pretty bad candidate, but hear me out

at least

at least

snitch would release the files

zealot would never run for president and that's why I respect them

if you vote for goblin, evil wins

goblin has been elected before

the lleech is the secretary of health

well, the lleech host, but we all know who's really in control

and let's be honest, you know so many politicians that look like the zombuul

[dusty thistle]

If its anyone, its Andrew Jackson. His inagural party was so insane that people had to be driven out.

[dense moat]

I feel like theres a double digit chance Gambler goes bankrupt from campaign expidentures

[uneven field]

the gambler would probably spend taxpayer money on crypto

it's a good thing no real president would ever do that, right?

[dusty thistle]

He also had a parrot that would curse very often due to its owners drunken rants.

[dense moat]

General has probably been elected

war hero and all

[olive marsh]

general's at least been in a cabinet

[uneven field]

anyways I've made enough jabs at trump and his cabinet in the last few minutes that I'm just about on the edge of the line, so I need to stop

[dense moat]

youve served well

[uneven field]

one last thing because I can't help myself

I don't know who it is from all of the above that got elected, but I sure as hell know the gossip better watch the fuck out

the president wants to outlaw gossipping, it kills when correct don't you know?

it's classified as hate speech now

[fallow rapids]

pacifist is the human rights journalist who needs to be paid more

[hollow oasis]

what, reagan?

[uneven field]

https://tenor.com/view/yakko-animaniacs-dance-world-country-gif-4246346639805856810

[grizzled marsh]

[29/09] share a very specific but funny/interesting interaction

[feral snow]

Had a game where I unknowingly said the Mezepheles’ word (it was “Election” on the night of the American election) and the only reason I didn’t turn evil was because I was the Faux Paw

Good won that game so I dodged a bullet

[dense moat]

If Yagababble kills a grandchild during the day, the grandmother also dies during the day

[junior knot]

Also works with LM held by a Psychopath

[dense moat]

You can even fake a Harpy with one kill

[grizzled marsh]

Witch-cursed too

An alchemist goblin can safely break cerenovus madness after self nominating & claiming goblin

[coarse fern]

ND poisoned philosopher picks an ability like savant, then the ND is barber swapped. The philo no longer is droisoned but does not have the ability, so when they try to get info you can tell them “no I don’t feel like it” and troll really hard. This happened in a game I ran

[dusty thistle]

Spy is executed, Cannibal sees grim

[grizzled marsh]

That's a very common interaction with xaan, but ig it can also happen on SnV

[coarse fern]

Much funnier on SnV

[grizzled marsh]

Fair

[coarse fern]

Could do it with like poisoner too but there’s no whimsy to it

[zenith lotus]

i remember that lol

[junior knot]

Debatable whether that satisfies the Goblin condition

up to ST in most cases

(also exeing you in the first place)

unless you were mad as goblin or alch

[dusty thistle]

I do not endorse showing the Cannibal the grim after the Spy is executed, but it's legal RAW.

[dense moat]

If you alch Pit Hag the last living Minion into somethig as an Imp tries to starpass, the Imp kills themsleves and good wins :)

[junior knot]

yeah but that requires an alch pithag

[dense moat]

"very specific but funny/interesting interaction"

[grizzled marsh]

It's "& executed that day", so it definitely works

[junior knot]

*role goblin

[low burrow]

Goblin (Minion) - Experimental

If you publicly claim to be the Goblin when nominated & are executed that day, your team wins.

**Affects Setup: **False

[coarse fern]

Totally do it to a BH turned cannibal

[junior knot]

oh huh

[grizzled marsh]

Unlike fearmonger which is "if you nominate & execute X"

[junior knot]

also works with Virgin

assuming you don't self nom

[grizzled marsh]

WAIT

[dusty thistle]

And that's a script issue and a half

[grizzled marsh]

There is 100% gonna be a day this accidentally happens on whalebuffet

[junior knot]

Pacifist can keep a lleech host alive indefinitely

[dusty thistle]

Boffin+Sailor can give evil an immortal demon with a poisoner's ability.

[junior knot]

Hermit + Drunk + compulsion outsiders make everyone who pulls a townsfolk token do the thing

until they are mechconfirmed

[dusty thistle]

Hermit-Drunk-Mutant-Saint. Nothing else to be said.

[junior knot]

Its a game so no one good wanted to be exed anyway

[dusty thistle]

Oh, and shout-out to @sour harness, the Quadjank interaction

So yeah my favorite random bad interactions are showing the Canni the grim, Hermit+Drunk+Mutant+Saint, and the Quadjank interaction.

[junior knot]

What about lm boffin

[dusty thistle]

That's fun. You get infinite artist questions.

[supple dirge]

I just learned from a recent quick rules question that if evil twin is paired with magician they would see the magician as a demon

[junior knot]

Marionettes could technically think they're the lunatic who thinks they're the demon

I believe

Recluse can give cannibal demon abilities

Vigor can poison legion neighbors

[lucid crag]

it's a shame alch can't get legion powers

though, I guess st could just say they can

the rules don't actually matter all that much

[low umbra]

What would it even mean for an alch to have the legion ability though?

[tough silo]

Its a demon buuuuu

Yes but no moment

[low umbra]

‘legion registers as a minion to the alchemist ability’ is just not how you can explain it either

[dusty thistle]

Alc+Legion is basically everyone has a tinker ability.

[sharp violet]

If the Barber dies during the day and the Demon knows who the Snake Charmer is, the Demon swaps themselves with the Snake Charmer then charms the former Snake Charmer to become a Good Demon, then kills themself. (This can happen on S&V!)

[dusty thistle]

Not only that, there are variations of that trick with Politician and Ogre. Politician is the most simple. You swap yourself and the Poli and have the ST flip you. It's also the riskiest since the ST might get mad and not let you change sides. Ogre, on the other hand, the ST can't stop you. You swap yourself and the Ogre and pick a good player. Even if the Ogre was evil, you should still win easily here. While SC is by far the coolest of the three, it's the hardest to set up. You can pull of Poli and Ogre after night killing the Barber! I call these tricks "The Barbershop Shuffle"

[dusty thistle]

Oh, and you can also do it with Cult Leader, but you need both of your alive neighbors to be good.

[sharp violet]

Snake Charmer is the coolest not only because you're the only one in control, it's also the only one possible on S&V which is awesome

[low umbra]

I’m sure someone else already said it, but a babysitter psycho or a yag killing the banshee is really funny. I’ve seen one video online where it should have happened (psycho babysitter specifically), and then also watched it happen in an online game I was spectating (where it was the yag kill)

[tidal vale]

Hermit with lunatic and recluse ability can get snake charmed

[naive flame]

I was who hilariously got misgambled by the gambler and at the same time I killed them, but grandma didn't die..somehow I managed to live that game and win

Also I didn't kill my DA at all..

And then another time I was a who manages to turn the evil and then the Snake charmer proceeds to snipe the Demon.

[uneven field]

remember when barber had a spot in the night order so you couldn't get away with this because snake charmer acted first?

[uneven field]

a lot of you guys read "share a very specific but funny/interesting interaction" and thought it said "what's something awful a storyteller should never do?"

[dusty thistle]

And there's a problem with that?

These are specific, funny interactions that are technically legal!

[grizzled marsh]

Any questions?

[junior knot]

For tomorrow?

[grizzled marsh]

Timezones...

[junior knot]

9/30: what's the red flag for you in someone you're gonna play with that instantly makes you say nevermind?

BotC related not like racism/homophobia/etc

[dusty thistle]

They take their demonhood ability far too literally.

This also applies to their psychopath ability

[warped urchin]

Wdym

What does taking an ability too literally mean

Like being a terrible person when they get that ability?

[coarse fern]

They mean like literally killing people

[junior knot]

I pull the and I'm compelled to do corporate espionage against my will

[simple crystal]

1. Caring about optimizing the game/winning more than having fun
2. Solely caring about having fun and goofing off rather than actually taking the game seriously

(yes those are opposites, yes those both apply for me)

[low umbra]

Yeah I agree with both. A balance of both fun and winning is what’s important imo. Doing cool stuff and making silly plays for the sake of finding out how it goes is fun, but it’s not fun to do it after learning that it doesn’t work (also don’t do those things regularly, that’s also not fun either)

[cyan reef]

there's so many, and unfortunately they're hard to spot until it's too late, but fortunately they're not ones I actually end up seeing in game nowadays

the "optimizing" answer is a great one, but for the purposes of saying something different, I would say when someone acts like it's the biggest deal in the world that they're about to be executed and get genuinely upset by it

it's also been quite a while since I've seen that, thankfully

though, that person works for TPI

[dusty thistle]

In all seriousness, mine has to be anything that is negatively affecting people's fun. An the end of the day, this is a game, and games are for fun. Nobody has the right to take away from that.

Anyway, here's my 25-page manifesto on why your script is bad and you should feel bad.

[dry sluice]

My red flag is when someone wants to ST the homebrew script they just made

(I defend your right to do this, but I won't personally want to play)

[warped urchin]

You mean like

Hijacking a lobby to play their new homebrew?

Or starting a lobby from stratch

[junior knot]

I'm guessing they mean in person

But i could be wrong

[dry sluice]

In person, yeah
I've never played online

[hollow oasis]

I saw that science message

[low umbra]

One that has happened in my group specifically is a player hard pushing on a particular person, despite their alignment or the alignment they think the other person is. It was quite a disruptor to a lot of games and centralised things even more around those already dominant players. I’ve seen it happen online in random lobbies before as well and it’s a huge red flag for me after seeing that happen

I’m really glad that things were able to be resolved within my group, since it taught several things to several players, including myself (and it means we still get to all play the game and really enjoy that, since we were all friends outside of the sessions too)

Also another general thing: people who mistake ‘funny’ for meaning ‘fun’ are sometimes really difficult to interact with, since those two things mean something completely different (at least imo)

It’s a smaller thing and the usual way of distinguishing the two for me is asking the question: “is this something I’m doing for myself or is it going to positively contribute to others’ experiences too?”

Because if the answer is that it’s only interesting/funny for you, it probably isn’t going to be fun for other people (an example of this is running atheist games without enough experience). If someone (especially an ST) can’t distinguish those things, I’m just not going to play with them

[foggy grotto]

usually if i’ve seen them run BMR before

but that’s only if they’re gonna ST

[tidal vale]

People who get angry or act angry when accused to avoid execution. Try to act as if you nominate them is personal

[lucid crag]

people with burning wario profile pictures smh

||/j||

anyone with a tendency to share info from st they shouldn't, cheaters in a sense

but that's a given

oh and people that "will never vote yes on a cult"

they lack too much whimsy

[naive flame]

Decided to Starpass in a Vizier game knowing the Vizier will lose it's ability.

Uses a alt Account to spectate the same game and basically be a (like bruv..it happened to me..)

Demon doesnt Claim Goblin when there is Goblin in the Script (if only there's no safety net for them(

[uneven field]

yes, absolutely this

I see this not infrequently in longtext where someone will be nominated with momentum on some info or social read very early and then they ostensibly throw a tantrum about how they're good and they're being targeted and this ruined the game for them, it harshes the vibes completely, and then a couple days later during the grim reveal they're evil anyways

I want to be clear, this still isn't cool if you're not evil, you still absolutely shouldn't engage in that behaviour regardless and being executed is part of the game, it just pisses me off in particular because like, I'm being punished for doing the thing that helped my team, I made a read and play that was correct and now I'm being made to feel bad about it

another thing I've seen is losing players sort of interrupting the celebrations of winning players to undermine the victory

sometimes you and your teammates pull off a gambit together (a lot of the time having never or barely actually interacted privately during the game) so naturally you want to gush at each other and go "you did so well, that was great! you played incredibly" and then someone from the losing team feels the need to butt in and say "you actually just got lucky, I should have won this game"

[cyan reef]

it's wild too because the biggest selling point of the game, to the point that it's pretty much the tagline, is "death is not the end"... people can still do things and be involved while dead

unfortunately part of the problem (and this is another good red flag) is that a lot of people tend to ignore dead players, thinking that they're dead and therefore useless so why talk to them? even though they're a player who still has a voice, and a vote left which will likely matter on the final day or earlier

but, the player upset at being executed is often the same player with the mindset of ignoring dead players, which is why they're upset...they see less inherent value in dead players

which is also why many of the same players tend to be so cagey with their info to the point of it actually being detrimental to their team

[supple dirge]

How is that a red flag?

[naive flame]

The question did say "for you" Soo in my personal preference yeah.

[supple dirge]

OK, but why?

Seems like a normal thing to do in an imp vizier game

[naive flame]

Vizier is just a good character to keep, idk why you would want to do that (based on my own preferences)

The vizier can literally shift a final 3.

To a Evil win.

[supple dirge]

Vizier usually dies in the night to avoid final 3 being a 50/50, imp being on the script helps that out by making them a demon candidate

[cyan reef]

if Imp and Vizier are on a script together, I'm going to assume the design is such that "did the Vizier get starpassed to?" is going to be an open question

[low umbra]

Yeah. The thing is that town can just be decisive about where their votes and nomination goes, rather than splitting votes between demon candidates. Which just entirely neuters the Vizier (this is true in general, but even moreso in a final 3)

[lost thistle]

chronic inactivity

if you’re playing the game and arent even going to engage with it then that makes the game worse for everyone

[dusty thistle]

[10/1] You just drew the Yaggababble token. What's your strategy? Do you say it a hundred times to end the game early, or do you say it very little to avoid detection? Assume the ST gave you a phrase that is reasonably easy to slip into conversation and a balanced script.

[feral snow]

anecdotally say it 3 times a day\

[inner gazelle]

Preferably in a manner where I can get people acclimated to it without them catching on.

[simple crystal]

Whenever I reasonably can tie it in to what I'm talking about. Depending on the script, if it's glass cannon yag (not enough killing abilities to mimic) I might say it less early on so people don't immediately catch on that it's yag, but if there are enough other kills to mimic I'll probably say it as often as I can and hope the st uses it well

(have been the lunatic yag in two separate atheist games, but don't think I've been the actual yag before)

[topaz flare]

Say it enough times every day to kill everyone see what happens

[feral snow]

to answer in more detail (based on a relatively recent yagga legion game):

as soon as I know the phrase, I find like 3 ways to slip it into conversation. In the game in question the phrase was "for five seconds". I like saying sarcastic comments like "I love when people listen to me for five seconds" when no one is listening so I knew I could exploit that. I tried to connect it to a bluff or relevant topic (really tried to get people to talk about the band "five seconds of summer" and hummed some of their songs).

I said the phrase like 3 times a day because I just needed kills above anything else. If the game went on much longer, players would solve the wizard wish (all good players learned they have the politician ability when they don't) and realize it's not legion and kill me, so I needed kills fast and just kept saying the phrase.

The only player that caught on and found the whole evil team really did think they had the politician ability and threw to win with us (they lost)

[hollow oasis]

Well zamn

[feral snow]

it was a fun game

[cloud plover]

Get my minions to start saying yagga phrases as well. Say it as many times as I can get away with, as long as my minions say it as least as often as I do. Be risky, be loud, kill as fast as possible. Even if they can figure out the evil team, do our best to prevent them from finding the Demon, and kill all the way to victory

[naive flame]

Tbh, I had a teensy script for Yagga that quickly got changed to different demons + the main theme is madness and doubleclaiming

Also, I think it's best you say it the same amount as what the demons in the script can usually kill/how many can die.

Let's say there is a in the script, you can say the word around 4 times max to make it seem like its not a Yagga but different character deaths instead.

Another Instance is a in the script, you can say the word around 2-3 times depending on the scenario

[foggy grotto]

oh i talk way too much anyway so i basically just draw the win token

[karmic rose]

bro's phrase is saladikhia

[foggy grotto]

salsahiir all the way

[vernal tiger]

I CLAIM SALSAAHIR!

[junior knot]

Crouton crier

[fallow rapids]

one game i said "evil wins" 4 times per day

yaggababble is basically perfect for the average linguist like me

"Whether good or evil wins I'm having a good time anyway"

"We had a lot of evil wins this month so we gotta break the chain y'all"

[dusty thistle]

"I doubt this is a game where evil wins, we're doing pretty well."

[fallow rapids]

"wins" can be a noun or a verb

"Jen is like, outed evil? Wins don't matter to you or something? Vote her already!"

the sentence-splitting methods is a classic

[dusty thistle]

Alright, I think I have enough data to plot everyone who responded. Yag is one of the most strategic demons in clocktower. This was pretty cool!

[fallow rapids]

this strategy is to split the subject off from the verb

brains focus on (good or evil) wins

[dusty thistle]

From most aggressive to most conservative:
Emma, Chenry Hen, Kenobi, Cani, Alex/Louis, Safterix, Squall, and Rowan

Best part is all ends of this spectrum are completely viable!

[lucid crag]

leave my own st thread without ever learning the phrase and then just try to guess what it was

[hollow oasis]

How I would play yaggababble

Phrase=X

Claimed goblin=true

X=Players-1

[uneven field]

if there is a yaggababble on script, I will be picking a phrase and saying it often regardless of whether or not I am the yaggababble

[rose vault]

Ask the storyteller to not kill anyone Night 2, and then say the phrase jokingly all the time on day 1.

[fallow rapids]

the thing about being funny repeatedly saying a phrase is that it's much less funnier to repeatedly say "my world is" than "crabapples"

[low umbra]

Yeah but saying it a bunch would usually be noticed if you intentionally say it during quiet points in public chats

[lost thistle]

[10/2] what clocktower character do you most want to show to a medieval peasant

[foggy grotto]

yaggababble

[tidal quiver]

well they probably need to see a plague doctor

[low umbra]

It depends on if I want them to have a good day or a bad day :p

[foggy grotto]

Deviant would kill a victorian child

[uneven field]

no I wouldn't

slander

[warm gate]

Banshee? or Lycanthrope (I'm sure they'll be fine)

[dense moat]

Separation of church and state please

[unkempt tangle]

The script Sects and Violets

Cuz it sounds like

[fleet hedge]

range balancing 😭

[lucid crag]

https://youtu.be/UybY3_wGjNI?si=NNeG0IvqzfpaOG6N there now is

as of less than 24 hours ago

[uneven field]

you're damn right

become unmetaable

[fleet hedge]

god I hate range balancing

that specific example also defeats the entire point of Yaggababble

imagine a range balancing meta wherein every player comes up with a phrase and says it 3 times per day

it turns the demon into "Each night*, up to 3 players die."

that's essentially what you're turning the demon into each time you draw it

this is really frustrating to play against because you are essentially gaining an advantage over other players as you don't have to navigate the demon's weakness

it is also really frustrating to be allied with as you're drawing unnecessary suspicion on yourself, and playing in a way that doesn't fully align with the team's goals

[low umbra]

They’d probably burn you alive for suggesting such a thing

[dense moat]

I’d still have my ghost vote tho :)

[uneven field]

I refuse to apologise for this

you have every right as a player to be suspicious of me for my behaviour but I am not playing against good's interests

I am there playing the game and helping you solve

I sometimes jokingly say that I play like the politician unless I'm the politician but your way of thinking taken to its logical conclusion disencourages any sort of social innovation and effectively railroads people into metas under the threat that if they play against them they will be considered game-throwing

I am not a problem player for not following the playbook

in practice this doesn't stop you from solving for yaggababble anyways because you are liable not to even notice that I'm repeating myself anyways and even if you do, you can count it and rule it out naturally based on the kills, it's practically the same thing as keeping yourself a partial candidate so that the demon is less likely to night kill you

which is a thing you do when you are good and powerful, to help the good team

[acoustic chasm]

I do try to not intentionally repeat myself in yagg games but if it happens it happens

[fleet hedge]

at the end of the day, playing in a way characteristic of someone who has drawn a demon token is not helpful to the good team

a major part of your responsibility as a good player is to read good

you could have the solve, but the win is still contingent on the other good players believing you

[grizzled marsh]

You are tho

[uneven field]

except I wouldn't be playing like a demon, you're policing vocabulary here

[uneven field]

absolutely not

if you had a tell for when you were evil that was exploitable to the extent that you'd be completely metaable, you'd want to remove that tell

you're playing against yourself by trying to exploit that meta, not the other way around

[hollow oasis]

I would stop doing it as evil

[uneven field]

and frankly, no

[hollow oasis]

Not start doing it as good

[hollow oasis]

*as not the Demon

[uneven field]

again, we are talking about occasionally using the same words in some sentences here

[uneven field]

also no

[hollow oasis]

It is good’s responsibility to not look like the demon

[uneven field]

false

[hollow oasis]

Minion? Shoot

Demon? How to lose 101

[uneven field]

there are extents to this

it is very basic social strategy to keep yourself suspicious so that you are less likely to die at night if you are the type of player to play gambits

[hollow oasis]

Ngl, I just go with a “too dangerous to kill”

Being suspicious as me is a death sentence, especially late-game

[uneven field]

so you're bluffing plague doctor as the fortune teller, ergo projecting false information and not helping your team

[uneven field]

you are throwing the game, don't you see

except that's playbook approved meta

[simple crystal]

I keep seeing players with bait roles do this by accident, and it works so well at doing the exact opposite thing they want

[uneven field]

when I innovate, you don't like it

[hollow oasis]

This is different from what is kind of just claiming goblin randomly

[uneven field]

not remotely comparable

[hollow oasis]

Doing good player bait role stuff is different from looking like a demon

[uneven field]

again, we are talking about repetition of vocabulary to an extent that most people do on accident

[hollow oasis]

Then that’s not what they thought you meant

Because if it’s close to “on accident” that’s just like, existing

[uneven field]

if you thought I meant publicly yelling bloody mary thrice, that's on you

[hollow oasis]

I mean yea that’s what we thought you meant ngl

I sincerely doubt this conversation would’ve happened without that assumption

[simple crystal]

Since this game relies on (and is more fun with) both teams being able to win, I feel like a small level of range balancing - such as saying, or at least not actively avoiding, potential yag phrases as good - makes the game purely more playable and fun for everyone.

[uneven field]

I see a yaggababble on script and I use my innate ability as a speaker to filter the range of my vocabulary so that I have plausible deniability if someone hears me repeating something and ergo I can't effectively be bullied into execution because of how I talk, I'm not saying I larp outed yaggababble

I'm making myself look more good over time if anything

[hollow oasis]

I mean, I thought yag scripts were built on the assumption that citril+F was fake

[uneven field]

astounding

[hollow oasis]

(This is how I pronounce ctrl I can’t be bothered to call it control)

[uneven field]

do you know how clockable longtext yaggababble is?

[hollow oasis]

That’s what I think of when I hear “say a fake phrase multiple times” mb

[hollow oasis]

Not at all

I’m guessing

Worse than SNV

0 death stalemates

The word has to be “the”

[uneven field]

in the way that a yaggababble would, ie not obviously

[hollow oasis]

I haven’t played with yag can you tell

[uneven field]

and I will argue this forever, being unmetaable is better for my team in the long run

[hollow oasis]

(And I probably don’t intend to)

[uneven field]

I do not care if you think I am throwing, if what I am doing is actually just a good play

I guarantee you in practice you would not have any less fun playing with me, and you would probably not even pick up on it

[hollow oasis]

I mean I feel like you’re more describing “having a group that isn’t full of assholes”

that track phrases like hawks

Because that sucks

[uneven field]

it is not that simple

[hollow oasis]

Like, social conditioning I get it but like

[uneven field]

I understand, because I do it too, that sometimes you notice something and you are incapable of stopping yourself from metaing it

[hollow oasis]

So all of BMR

The ST showing me recluse for the 30 millionth time

[uneven field]

your brain is a problem solving machine that is ultimately rational enough to filter context automatically, this is why social information has credence at all

I am removing your ability to rely on that instinct by being unmetaable

this is a public server with a lot of highly competent players that are very good at picking up on minutiae

a lot of people, and I mean this with no offense, are not that good at the game and therefore think higher level plays are bad

a lot of people do not bother with the social engineering aspect of the game

a lot of people do, but only when they're evil

so I get very mad when someone says "you are playing against your team" or "you are throwing" when the reality of the matter is that I am playing well

[uneven field]

this was said a while ago and I didn't respond to it at the time, but frankly, that's a them problem, because I can pull it off

[simple crystal]

yeah no it's 100% a new player thing confusing "lie about your role to get killed" with "be dodgy and suspicious and thus not night-killed"

but the corollary is that purposefully being suspicious in order to not die at night is 100% a thing

oh and re: range balancing, I know it's an unpopular thing among people who prioritize winning/optimizing more than me, but like. I'm already at the upper range of my own group in terms of how much I care about winning vs not, and I don't think I would enjoy playing with groups who were even higher than me on that spectrum. (I also hold that botc is fundamentally not designed to be taken that competitively, and that things like range balancing and being unmetaable are actively healthy for the game to a certain extent, but that's getting a bit too off track)

[supple dirge]

10/3 You're taking a clocktower character out for a first date. Where are you taking them and how does the date go?

[cyan reef]

me and Shabaloth go out to a buffet and they clear the place out, and it's extra embarassing when they threw up half way through but then still kept going

[uneven field]

I'm taking ojo to a burial ground

[dusty thistle]

and I went to a quiet café. They were pretty shy at first, but they're very good at breaking through barriers and an all around great person to talk too.

Much better than my last date with . I don't remember much of the date but I remember waking up with my wallet stolen.

[acoustic chasm]

Oh same!

Who would have thought my date with the thief would end like that 😔

[naive flame]

I'm 4th in conservative damn..

[naive flame]

be snitching people out.

[dusty thistle]

You're dead in the middle

[naive flame]

Or a sending gossips.. (most likely false)

[uneven field]

this also works for zombuul, who I am also attracted to

[uneven field]

I saw that lemon

[dusty thistle]

I decided I'm not one to think about it.

[uneven field]

copacetic

[dusty thistle]

I will be sure to use that word the next time I play Scrabble.

[low umbra]

Good luck having 3 C’s available to you haha

[dusty thistle]

It's 9 letters, I'm playing of someone else anyway

[uneven field]

off of what word

[dusty thistle]

Probably cop

I could play off ace if I'm lucky

[lucid crag]

I take them to a casino and they die horribly

[grizzled marsh]

[10/4] Name an overrated/underrated whalebuffet character

[tough silo]

Philosopher

[hollow oasis]

Legion(under) This is due to the existence of goblin

[junior knot]

Dreamer (over)

[hollow oasis]

Librarian(under)

[dusty thistle]

Assassin (under)

Poppygrower (over)

[grizzled marsh]

Leviathan (under)

[hollow oasis]

Leviathan has hard counters

Specifically lycan,gossip,Gambler

Flowergirl

[dusty thistle]

Gambler less so

[hollow oasis]

Gambler is rough

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah but if you don't have them

[junior knot]

i would mention bait roles, but people become metaable

[junior knot]

poisoner snipes levi night 1, and you have a bunch of science roles

[dusty thistle]

Rough yes, but not nearly as every other one you mentioned

[hollow oasis]

Lycan is one of the meta picks and you’re against at least 5 players

[sharp violet]

Village Idiot (under)

Riot (over)

[low umbra]

Magician (under)
Most people who want to play whalebuffet are just not good at dealing with magician lol

[low umbra]

Yeah I learnt the hard way (the minions were goblin/fearmonger LOL)

[sharp violet]

The way I see this is if any character can be duplicates and extras might be drunk, then that rule is no longer actively balancing the Village Idiot, leaving it comparatively stronger than usual

[uneven field]

village idiot is busted in whalebuffet partly because nobody thinks to pick village idiot, so you're usually the only village idiot

if village idiot stopped being underrated it would immediately become bad

[grizzled marsh]

Tbf that's the case of every underrated characters

[uneven field]

not true

other characters are capable of being not underrated but also not overrated

no matter what the meta is, village idiot is always one of those things

for example, nightwatchman is perfectly well rated in whalebuffet

[sharp violet]

I recently played a whalebuffet game where 3 people were claiming Tea Lady, and we spent enough of that game trying to figure out who was the sober one that evil was able to outvote us despite our confirmation chain, and I would argue that Tea Lady was quite bad that game.

If any other character is picked multiple times it goes from average to bad, if VI is picked multiple times it goes from strong to average

at least that's how I see it

(for what it's worth those 3 players were a sober tea lady, a drunk tea lady sitting next to the sober one, and a pixie who saw tea lady (specifically the drunk one))

[junior knot]

did any of them activate?

[hollow oasis]

I had a magician where their existence helped evil win

Because I did

(The insane bluff)

Claimed goblin to the magician, accurately bluffed I was a minion

(Knew they were magician in the talk with them d1,did this)

Publicly in town claimed “If no-one is executed, I choose a player to turn evil(wizard)”

Town almost executed me

Magician defended me, said I was goblin

Then the next day town bit the wizard bait

Evil immediately won(I was vortox)

[dusty thistle]

Nerdy, this is the third time you've shown this Vortox win to the class...

[hollow oasis]

A: it’s been a month

[dusty thistle]

Not that it's not a win to be proud of, but we all know this story

[hollow oasis]

Not necessarily

They’ve been in different places

Besides

Sometimes I have to talk about the vigor game

This is the Vortox game

[sharp violet]

In order of seating:
Acrobat confirming Drunk Tea Lady as Drunk
Drunk Tea Lady
Sober Tea Lady
Goon, executed but did not die
High Priestess, was later Mez-turned
Grandmother seeing Goon, executed and did die to test the Tea Lady (Pixie)
Pixie seeing Tea Lady
Me: VI, confirming Pixie and High Priestess as good, would have gotten more but evil used confusion and a Butcher to kill me d2

It was a game of confirmation vs. numbers

[low umbra]

I didn’t know it tbf

[dusty thistle]

[10/5] We forgot to do one today so uh what's your favorite movie?

[junior knot]

Probably a toss up between My Cousin Vinny, Legally Blonde, or 10 Things I Hate About You

Maybe throw shrek in there too

[supple dirge]

If I had to pick one, probably Sideways. The director does a great job hitting that feeling of being lonely around other people I've felt a lot. Other ones I really like are Hereditary and Airplane.

[foggy grotto]

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

although just saw Sinners this summer and it’s up there

[uneven field]

The World's End, directed by Edgar Wright

[low umbra]

TinTin is unironically my favourite action movie, HTTYD is also up there (and there’s probably others, but those are the most easily recalled favourites). I can’t pick an overall favourite though

[fast anchor]

everything everywhere all at once was real good but i'd have think a lot to find a definitive favorite

[jovial ingot]

soul

[abstract cosmos]

any of the 3 and definitely only 3 kung fu panda films

[lucid crag]

The SpongeBob Movie (The Video Game)

[dusty thistle]

I'm going to say Shawshank for my favorite

[tacit fiber]

The Room

[dense moat]

I dont really have a favorite, but Incredibles 1 is pretty good

Same with Everything Everywhere All At Once

[foggy grotto]

you’re tearing me apart lisa

[karmic rose]

i went to a midnight screening of the room with greg sestero once

it was peak

[feral snow]

Uhhh god I genuinely don’t know

I quite liked Zootopia (aka Zootropolis in other parts of the world)

But idk if it’s like my favourite of all time

[olive marsh]

i have never heard Zootropolis before

[feral snow]

Apparently it’s also called Zoomania in some places

Turns out Zootopia is copyrighted in some countries (notably Denmark I believe) so Disney had to rename it

Most of Europe and MENA calls is Zootropolis

Except that name is also copyrighted in Germany so Germany specifically calls it Zoomania?

[karmic rose]

huh

[spiral pollen]

it's zootropolis in the UK

[supple dirge]

Zoomania sounds like an animal wrestling show

[uneven field]

mankind is not represented in zoomania because they threw us off hell in a cell

[coarse fern]

Fargo is a good one off the top of my head but like I’m weird with favorites so it probably isn’t that

[dusty thistle]

I'm going to have to ask for your least favorites today at this rate.

[cold veldt]

wait that's so goated

[versed junco]

see that's much more interesting

[dusty thistle]

Yeah but it's not BOTC-related. I don't think anyone has anything in mind.

[junior knot]

10/6: Which townsfolk is the healthiest for an Oops All X game/script? (assuming Amnes all have the same ability [not necessarily public knowledge that that's the case])

Also assuming there are evil chars/outsiders as normal

[olive marsh]

shugenja

[feral snow]

hang on I should make an alignment chart for this

[junior knot]

Also why?

I feel like Tea Lady would be fire

(It's a typhon game)

[I'll be nice and put in a DA]

[zenith lotus]

i love an entirely immortal good team 😉

[feral snow]

Lawful Good: Noble
Neutral Good:
Chaotic Good: Amnesiac

Lawful Neutral: Fisherman
True Neutral: Village Idiot
Chaotic Neutral: Grandmother

Lawful Evil: Savant
Neutral Evil: Alchemist
Chaotic Evil: Snake Charmer

let’s figure this out

[junior knot]

CE: SC --> Hot Potato

[zenith lotus]

lawful evil is savant

[junior knot]

True Neutral is isn't it

[olive marsh]

where do you put soldier

[feral snow]

fuck yes

[junior knot]

i feel like that isnt evil?

[feral snow]

it’s evil because you get 28 statements a day

[junior knot]

or since its technically legal

[feral snow]

all amne is probably true neutral or neutral good

[olive marsh]

the st has to give all the info and town has to parse it

[junior knot]

Chaotic neutral is

(its a po game)

Neutral evil is Dreamer

Ok which one is ?

[feral snow]

mayor is just a bad interaction I fear

idk if it gets a spot

[junior knot]

Chaotic Stupid?

[feral snow]

it’s just “good wins”

[junior knot]

you juts need assassin + pithag + poisoner

[feral snow]

poisoner is just a 50/50 I fear

all dreamer is just balanced dreamer

[junior knot]

(more to let you kill them lol)

[feral snow]

true neutral is VI right

like thats botc in its purest form

[junior knot]

I don't think so

Is neutral evil ?

[feral snow]

pfft yes

[junior knot]

ok where is ?

[feral snow]

uh same as Mayor but for different reasons

Farmer does nothing when everyone is a Farmer

[junior knot]

You just need Boffin + imp

[junior knot]

you're forgetting there are still outsiders

[zenith lotus]

that still does nothing

[dense moat]

Oops All Magicians

[junior knot]

Is that just legion/poppy?

[zenith lotus]

oh right

[dense moat]

probably, except you dont autolearn

[karmic rose]

where's savant

[junior knot]

LE already

[dense moat]

LE

[karmic rose]

i'm jared, 19

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[dense moat]

Oops all Knights

[karmic rose]

oops all lleeches

[dusty thistle]

LN is dreamer

[junior knot]

Welcome to

[dense moat]

Oops all Generals

[dusty thistle]

True neutral

[junior knot]

is this werewolf

[dusty thistle]

Like the game state!

[dense moat]

this has to be something, since its literaly the 3 generals problem

Or like, 1 step away from 3 generals problem

[dusty thistle]

Oops all cannibals!

[dense moat]

(3 generals problem is 3 players. 1 is General, 1 is Mutant, 1 is Levi)

Oops all High Priestesses

Just werewolf

[dusty thistle]

You know, base 3 minions with all minions being Goblins sounds fun

[junior knot]

is Lycan Chaotic good that registers as Chaotic Evil?

[dusty thistle]

Lycan is chaotic stupid

[dense moat]

Oops All Cult Leaders

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Philos! "Welcome to whalebuffet"

[junior knot]

oops all slayers?

diet RTTB

[dense moat]

what about Oops All Pacifists?

[junior knot]

music i fear

if there are multiple bounty hunters can they share the 1 evil townsfolk?

[dusty thistle]

No

The outsiders have a hell of a game to win

[junior knot]

Its Saint + Heretic

[dense moat]

Oops All Minstrels

You know when a Minion died

[dusty thistle]

Wait, actually no. One townsfolk is evil

But now town just wins

[karmic rose]

oops all empaths

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Artists

I think it might be best to replace Savant with Exorcist on the alignment chart

Actually no, Exorcist is more nuetral evil

[dense moat]

Oops All Pixies

But they only learn Pixie :)

Oops All Fisherman

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Gossips!

[junior knot]

This is where vortox comes in handy

[feral snow]

pfft if pixie is the only townsfolk on script they’d have to get a “no” 😭

[dense moat]

Oops All Fisherman or Oops All Generals is probably somewhere on the alignment chart

(hell for ST tho)

[dusty thistle]

Oops all generals is somewhere in evil

[dense moat]

Oops All Alsaahirs?

[dusty thistle]

Oops all fisherman is probably lawful neutral

[dense moat]

good luck trackinng that

[dense moat]

Its also called Go Fish

[dusty thistle]

My guess for true neutral is probably oops all Balloonist

[dense moat]

Oops All Banshees is really stupid

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Virgins is chaotic evil at its finest

Oops all Banshees is too

[dense moat]

Oops All Princesses. 1 Princess gets confirmed and nothing else

Oops All Engineers with non loud Minions

(& demons)

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Sailors.

[dense moat]

Oops All Clockmakers

Everyone knows the Clockmaker number

Oops All Chefs technically does stuff too

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Nobles actually sounds like fun tbh

I think that's our Lawful good

[dense moat]

we are suggesting Noble for LG & Balloon or Fish for LN. Likely Fish as LN

[feral snow]

wonderful

done

[dense moat]

what does NG look like?

[feral snow]

maybe a little bit of whimsy but ultimately good design

[dense moat]

All Knights? All Stewards? All FTs?

All Chefs?

[feral snow]

steward isn’t a bad option

[dense moat]

Comintern game

[dusty thistle]

All Stewards sounds good

[feral snow]

alternatively

ravenkeeper

[dense moat]

Ooh

[dusty thistle]

Too powerful for town

[acoustic chasm]

is it?

[feral snow]

just kill minions then : )

[dense moat]

Hello Shakepeare

[feral snow]

it may be too powerful yeah

[acoustic chasm]

hello

[dense moat]

any plays today?

[acoustic chasm]

i am sulfering

3

<3

[dense moat]

oops all Choirboys

That king is never dying

[acoustic chasm]

yup

[dense moat]

:"Good wins if the King dies at night cause 3 choirboys just learned you"

[acoustic chasm]

what king?

in an oops all choirboys

[dense moat]

Oops All Huntsmen. No Damsel to save

[acoustic chasm]

ooops all boffins

[karmic rose]

Oops all Damsels /s

[dusty thistle]

Oops all farmers

[acoustic chasm]

boffins are the Minions, Demons and Outsiders

[dense moat]

Oops All Mutants sounds hilarious

[karmic rose]

oops all plague doctors would be funny

[dense moat]

Actually this sounds like an Athiest game

[karmic rose]

yeah I did that once

[dense moat]

An april Fools Athiest game but ann Athiest game

[dusty thistle]

To bad it deteriorates the moment someone is dead

Moral of the story: run it as a fake Leviathan game

[acoustic chasm]

oops all slayers in a Yaggababble script

[dusty thistle]

Oops all heretics!

[dense moat]

Oops All Goons

We have ||Dolomite || at home

Oops All Occultists

Its Oops All Mutants but better

Oops All Moonchilds?

[karmic rose]

I did this as part of it lol

10 mutants, 1 atheist, cerelock one additional player each night

[acoustic chasm]

I have to think that surely the true evil is something like

oops all tea ladies

[karmic rose]

oops all bishops / harlots?

[dense moat]

this feels like such a domino effect lmao

[junior knot]

at home

[karmic rose]

oops all bishops might actually be pretty tame, ditto oops all nobles

[dense moat]

Oops All Tinkers

or

How Long Will The ST Make Us Play Werewolf?

[junior knot]

is neutral good ?

[dense moat]

i was kinda thinking that

But im not sure

[junior knot]

Which Evil is Gossip?

[dense moat]

Oops all Chambermaids is stupid

[junior knot]

Its gotta have yag + pithag

[dense moat]

Oops All Saints

We have at home (but worse)

[junior knot]

this is just

[dense moat]

Oops All Zealots

[feral snow]

FT feels Lawful evil

[dense moat]

thats so stupid lmao

[feral snow]

because yk like 20 red herrings is hell

[junior knot]

with a bishop

[dense moat]

doesnt that end in ties every day?

like you kinda turn oops all zealots into hwisp

[junior knot]

Evil doesn't have to vote

[dense moat]

actually... i guess you do gather info

[dense moat]

They do out

[junior knot]

plus you could have bureau or thief

[dense moat]

Altho if its the Minion outing, then thats something

[junior knot]

who travel out midday

[olive marsh]

it’s different for each ft tho

[uneven field]

oops all nightwatchmen

[dense moat]

Oops All Town Criers

Sucks to be a Minion

[junior knot]

squall is referring to tracking individual FT RHs

being ST hell

[dusty thistle]

Oops all wraiths!

[junior knot]

oops all golems?

make your noms count

[dense moat]

Kinda Oops All Moonchildren-esque

except it lasts like 1 day

[junior knot]

with all minions are

[dense moat]

Oops All Alchemist Fearmongers (& Fearmonger). Who pulls the trigger?

[dusty thistle]

Oops, all devil's advocates!

[junior knot]

The humble

[uneven field]

okay but what if oops all alsaahir

[junior knot]

(its legion)

[dense moat]

Oops All Drunks

It looks like a normal game...

[uneven field]

oops all lycanthropes

[junior knot]

This is how new players see the game

or its a / script

[dusty thistle]

Oops all jugglers

[uneven field]

"hey uh, id like to juggle Alice as, uhhhh..."

uhh um aaaa

[dense moat]

Or the script

[junior knot]

No ?

[dense moat]

doesnt usually poison good

[junior knot]

I sense a distinct lack of philo

[uneven field]

what if it's oops all goons but there's two innkeepers

[dusty thistle]

Nobody ever gets any kills

[uneven field]

leviathan at home

[junior knot]

There’s a fixed number of goons and mayors

And evil has to figure out which

[dusty thistle]

Say, if a Mayor bounces into a goon, does the goon turn evil?

[uneven field]

uhhhhhh

oops all damsels

wait

oops all magicians

peak

[dusty thistle]

Why stop there? Oops all Poppygrowers!

[uneven field]

that's not as fun objectively

[junior knot]

No downside poppy

[dusty thistle]

The ST takes less time

[uneven field]

spy sees the grim and it's

[dusty thistle]

In person it's just

There are no more tokens

[dense moat]

Oops All Klutzes

Feeling lucky?

[uneven field]

wait why is this just #botc-memes

[dense moat]

Oops All Barbers is worse than only vanillagers

[uneven field]

oops all hermits

[dusty thistle]

Oops all lunatics! How has this not been suggested yet?

[dense moat]

I think I suggested it

Oops All Snitches

The bluffs are a trap :)

Also… how tf does Oops All Ogres work?

[dusty thistle]

It's a great idea! An amazing idea! Especially in a Leviathan game!

If an ogre friend turns evil, the Ogre does not

So you go in order, with the odds of turning evil increasing each time an ogre selects someone evil

[dense moat]

But how do you know the order?

[uneven field]

"hello, your demon is Yvette, your fellow minion is Paul, and your bluffs are slayer and empath and sage and clockmaker and chef and professor and saint and fisherman and klutz and alchemist and knight a

[dusty thistle]

That's the neat part: you don't!

[dense moat]

Technically, you only need 5-6 Snitches on an Ravenswood Bluff script

[dense moat]

To get every character

So even a 7 player Oops All Snitches is just every on script good character

Uh... what hasnt been mentioned yet?

Oops All Soldiers

Are we there yet?

[dusty thistle]

Oops all organ grinders?

Oops all Marionettes?

[dense moat]

Oops All Spys

...why did we play this one again?

[uneven field]

she grind on my organ til I close my eyes

[dense moat]

Oops All Psychopaths

Yet another "everyone has guns drawn" game

[dusty thistle]

Oops all poisoners.

[dense moat]

Oops All Witches

Oops All Summoners

[dusty thistle]

We have that. It's a world cup script

[uneven field]

wait why is this actually peak though

[dense moat]

Binary Supernova?

[junior knot]

Oops all gamblers

[dense moat]

Oh and of course, one that actually exists

[dusty thistle]

I mentioned that

[dense moat]

oops all Wizards

[dusty thistle]

Already been tried

[uneven field]

no that would never work

[junior knot]

Only demon on script is riot

[dense moat]

Never been run before

[uneven field]

and it's suddenly way less peak

[junior knot]

Oops all sailors

[dense moat]

Oops All Boffins

You have to wait for the Demon to play every character on script

Or... Archivist at home

[uneven field]

TPI should just remove riot atp, like it's alright Steven Medway, you get one mulligan

[dense moat]

Leviathan Oops All Boffins is Archivist at Home

[junior knot]

Oops all preacher

And all minions are viziers

[uneven field]

oops all saints

choose very carefully

[junior knot]

That’s just a Levi game

[uneven field]

no

[dense moat]

Its a Matsuraid game

[uneven field]

you get a freebie in a leviathan game

[dense moat]

Without the extra evils

[uneven field]

oops all shabaloths

[dense moat]

Oops All Mezepheles

Everyone is evil & lives in harmony

[uneven field]

hungy

oops all cult leaders

each night the grim flashes colours like Conway's game of life

[dusty thistle]

Oops all Mezepheles

[dusty thistle]

But then they wouldn't be allowed to use it on SnV??!?!?!?!12121!?!1

Oops all Cerenovuses.

[dense moat]

Oops All Evil Twins

[uneven field]

TRUE

[dusty thistle]

Oh dear, seems like I had some sending delay. Those were from 5 minutes ago

[uneven field]

when you're right you're right

[dense moat]

so i think we got all the good ones?

[dusty thistle]

And all the bad ones as well

[uneven field]

oops all ojos

ravenswood particle accelerator

[dusty thistle]

This gag is no more, it has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet it's maker! This. Is a late. Gag!

[dense moat]

I have one final one

Oops All Lil Monstas: Ravenswood Daycare

[uneven field]

me when I have a nervous chewing habit

[dense moat]

why do i have 10 babies?

ok i think we've firmly run out

Now we wait for the 10/7 question

[dusty thistle]

It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace, if you hadn't come up with more characters it would be pushing up daisies! It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This! Is! An! Ex! Gag!

[uneven field]

[10/7] what's your ideal kebab order?

[dusty thistle]

Man it's been so long since I've had one of those, usually I get a gyro instead.

[uneven field]

a kebab?

crazy

I love kebab

[dense moat]

We’ve transcended game content, we have gone higher than lore & fanfiction

And now we stand, pondering kebabs

[grizzled marsh]

Ok i desperately need to play a game of oops all snake-charmers in a script where you have all 3 evils being demons and the snake charmers don't poison the target

[dense moat]

[grizzled marsh]

Oops all pixies looks incredibly funny

[coarse fern]

Oops all golems

I have no meaningful contribution to this discussion

[junior knot]

Oops all Washerwomen?

Oops all Librarians + Heretics?

[lost thistle]

chaotic evil is oops! all cult leaders

how did nobody say this one yet

the more you think about it the worse it gets

[dusty thistle]

We've said it at least three times!

[low umbra]

Oops all magician (except it’s literally not any better than a Poppy Grower being in play and not dying LOL)

[unkempt tangle]

Oops all poppy growers

[thorny summit]

Oops all cacklejacks

[low umbra]

Wouldn’t be all cacklejacks for very long :p

[thorny summit]

Exactly

[supple dirge]

Oops all professors, it is day 8 and no one is dead

[sour harness]

I've seen 4 of these happen q

And/or been in those games

Savant would go crazy but it's a nightmare to run

[karmic rose]

what would the evil savants learn/do in that game?

(am generally unfamiliar with "oops all" with roles like savant)

[sour harness]

I mean you do need a demon of some kind so I don't think it's that simple

[dense moat]

sad. we still dont know nuetral good 😔

(well its actually probably just Steward or Dreamer?)

[unkempt tangle]

What about Atheist?

Or

No

That would be very broken

[fallow rapids]

:D

[low umbra]

Neutral good maybe something like empath?

[feral snow]

ooooooh interesting

[uneven field]

I did

people keep confidently lamenting that somehow nobody's mentioned this obvious one yet, despite not having read the thread

[junior knot]

[10/7]: If you had to be trapped as an NPC in a cartoon world, where you are still you, but you perceive everything around you in the artstyle of the show, and you have no guarantee of survival, which show would you choose and why?

[sour harness]

Truman show. If I'm an NPC then I'm in on it and it's a paid job that I can quit whenever I want

(ignore the fact that it's not a show)

[junior knot]

Not a cartoon

Either

[sour harness]

I missed that